From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 281, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: A small tip for those masking off canopies (Scott Cable) 2. Re: DAR's and inspections (larry severson) 3. Re: ailerons (Brian Kraut) 4. Re: nylon bolts (Brian Kraut) 5. Diehl Wingskin washout (Dan & Michele) 6. Equip. TSO Requirements (was Re: KR>DAR's and inspections) 7. Landing Light (Ron Freiberger) 8. Re: Diehl Wingskin washout-Major Bummer (Scott Cable) 9. ELT on Ebay (Ron Freiberger) 10. Diehl Wingskins (robert cooper) 11. Re: Art Cacella (Russ Fenlason) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:16:38 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>A small tip for those masking off canopies Message-ID: <20040115021638.68919.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <4005EF7A.000019.01084@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 Sweeeeeet Idea. --- Dan Heath wrote: > http://kr-builder.org/MaskingTip/index.html ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:19:27 -0800 From: larry severson To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>DAR's and inspections Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040114181640.00b5a3a8@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 >Once again, with that said, my own personnal opinion is the KR is not an >acceptable IFR platform. Others may feel differently on the issue. > > > >Dana Overall An IFR KR2 could be called a military plane. The design gives outstanding performance, but enough things are hung on to make it a marginal flyer. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:49:33 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>ailerons Message-ID: <6780486.1074138573993.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 On a few areas where I glassed over wood that had holes drilled I just took some scraps of urethane foam and stuffed it in the holes. It is very easy to see through one or two layers of glass to find where the holes are again. With the foam in the hole you just need to drill through the glass and it is very easy to push the foam right through the hole. I had pink foam. If you have the brown foam it may not be easy to find the holes again. For the question on the nylon bolts, hobby stores are a good place as someone mentioned. My local Ace Hardware also carries them and all of the other not as common fasteners that Home Depot doesn't stock. I have seen them at Lowes also. larry severson wrote: I am planning my aileron installation. I understand the value of putting wax in the anchor nuts to prevent flox from closing up the access. I expect that I will also have to fill the holes drilled in the wood also. My question is, how do you locate the openings after the BID is placed over the wood to lock it to the aileron/wing? Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:56:57 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>nylon bolts Message-ID: <23162831.1074139022545.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 I used wax to seal the filler cap on my wing tanks so the filler, primer, and paint would not run in and permanently glue my caps on. I wound up smearing the wax when I sanded the filler and had all of the filler and paint peel off after I painted the wings for about two inches around the cap so be carefull that you don't get wax where it shouldn't be. I found a spray can of wax remover at an auto parts store that I used before I repainted it and that took all the wax off. Scott Cable wrote: WD-40 would contaminate the composite. Use a real release agent or non-contaminating wax. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:17:33 -0600 From: "Dan & Michele" To: "post to list" Subject: KR>Diehl Wingskin washout Message-ID: <008201c3db1e$81345c20$3236b340@d3t2n6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 5 Netters I am curently in the proces of instaling my Diehl = wingskins.I have the lower skin on both wings, the ribs are in place. = Last night I went out to my garage to doublecheck the washout before = epoxying on the top wingskin. Much to my dismay the washout had changed. = It was off 3/4" over a 2' length on the right wing at the rib glued to = the end of the spar and 3/16" on the left, aparently while gluing the = lower skins to the spars the weight of the clamps caused the rear spar = to sag. Before begining to dismantle things I thought I'd ask if anyone = else had a similar problem and what they did about it.Or if anyone has = an idea how much this will affect the flying charactoristics, I think = it's obvious I'll need to do somthing with the right wing, but the left = may not be to critical. I'll just try to make them both the same. My plan is to start removing the center ribs to see if this will = allow the wing to flex, if not then losen the rear spar from the skin, = and keep going until I can twist it back to shape and have it stay after = reglueing. Coments or suggestions are apreciated. next time I'll check it = before the glue hardens. Dan Rondeau dandm@quics.com From matheson@dodo.com.au Wed Jan 14 21:58:16 2004 Received: from relay01.kbs.net.au ([203.220.32.149]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Ah0WF-0003Dl-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:58:16 -0800 Received: from [203.220.151.40] (helo=ralf) by relay01.kbs.net.au with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1Ah0MS-0001Ei-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:48:08 +1100 Message-ID: <00d601c3db2b$c67467a0$7297dccb@ralf> From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KRnet" References: <001e01c3da9a$94c0fc00$f14d8690@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: KR>Hinges Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:52:34 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: My local cabinet supplier has brass piano hinge on a roll though I suspect it will be a little heavy. Gav ------------------------------- NO do not use the cheap brass hinge. the plan callsfor Extruded Alum hinge, very expensive, good rolled alum hinges can be used. Part numbers are in the A/Spruce Dogalog. I do have extra ones, I'll check and see how many and it I need them for my cowl halves. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and home built Parts and Kits at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:31:32 -0500 From: intrepid1ac@juno.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Equip. TSO Requirements (was Re: KR>DAR's and inspections) Message-ID: <20040115.083217.-191433.16.intrepid1ac@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 > "Dana Overall" writes: > I would also encourgage anyone interested to go to the > following website: http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/tvrvbg/_borders/IFR%20equipment.pdf That has the answer, thank you ! "...none of the equipment... is required to be [ TSO'd ]..." We =can= use the less expensive non-TSO'd ground based (ADF/VOR/LOC/GS) avionics with impunity. Of course, that may change tomorrow with a quiet NPRM... Again, Thank you ! a r t From bo124rs@hotmail.com Thu Jan 15 06:26:24 2004 Received: from bay13-f51.bay13.hotmail.com ([64.4.31.51] helo=hotmail.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Ah8S0-0006J0-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 06:26:24 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 06:16:15 -0800 Received: from 64.12.96.14 by by13fd.bay13.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:16:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.12.96.14] X-Originating-Email: [bo124rs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bo124rs@hotmail.com From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Bcc: Subject: RE: Equip. TSO Requirements (was Re: KR>DAR's and inspections) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:16:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2004 14:16:15.0173 (UTC) FILETIME=[22B7C750:01C3DB72] X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: >From: intrepid1ac@juno.com We =can= use the less expensive non-TSO'd ground based > (ADF/VOR/LOC/GS) avionics with impunity. > Better put the brakes on a little. As the it reads, the non TSO'd equipment does not have to be constructed according to TSO requirements but it is still the responsibility of the PIC to have verifiable documentation that the equipment performs to the TSO'd standards for IFR operation. VFR is with impunity, as dead reckoning can be your out as to a primary means of navigation. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software — optimizes dial-up to the max! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/plus&ST=1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:14:58 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KRNET" Subject: KR>Landing Light Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 There was an article in the EXPERIMENTER (Eaa) some time ago about this product as an excellent choice for a landing light. There was also a number of comments on the KRNET saying it was a good idea (archives) . I bought this product, and have held onto it for a while. Well, Sport pilots don't need landing lights, and yesterday's posts kind of (kind of) quashed my Sport pilot hopes. Anyway, you can see the article at http://home.earthlink.net/~r.freiberger/ see landing light.jpg and landing light2.jpg The other stuff is my boat for sale. Selling on KRNET in three days (Saturday), make an offer. Purchase one or two. Shipping $8 add-on. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:50:16 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Diehl Wingskin washout-Major Bummer Message-ID: <20040115155016.36333.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <008201c3db1e$81345c20$3236b340@d3t2n6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8 Dan, This is NOT good, in fact,I'm positive that this much change will adversely affect the flying qualities of your aircraft. Unfortunatly, this was probably an expensive error, as trying to remove the skin will likely ruin the the skin and the spar. You should seek out the advise of Dan Diehl and see how he could help you salvage what you have. DO NOT try to pry off the skin from the spars and ribs, as this will surely damage or destroy the ribs and spars. What you could do is carefully cut the skin from the spar insuring that you do not damage the spars. Then carefully sand the skin residue from the spar. Purchase new lower wing skins, and start over. Next time, you need to be absolutely positive the skins and spars cannot move or change during the cure cycle. To do so, you need to build a what is called a Bond Jig that supports the skin and spars and insures things won't move around during the cure cycle. This Bond Jig should be securely mounted to the floor, and should not only support the wing, but the fuselage also. It's imperative to maintain that relationship between the two. Your Bond Jig should ensure and maintain a level fuselage and inner spars. DO NOT rely on the main langing gear tires for this support. In fact they shouldn't even be allowed to touch the floor while in this process. I would triangulate support the fuselage at the Wing attach fittings (contact the inner spar) and somewhere near, but not on the tailwheel support. Insure that the fuselage cannot move in any direcion. Fabricate a cradle that again triangulate supports the skin, spars and ribs for the outer wing. Design some adjustability into your tool. This outer wing jig could be supports that are the lower skin profile at three (triangulated) locations along the span. Attach your outer spars and ribs. Your bond jig should absolutely insure that these parts cannot move during assembly. Attach your lower skin again insuring the relationship between all parts and the fuselage. I use Bondo around the floor mounts, and any place that adjustabilty occurs, to do this with. As an example, I bondo'd my leveled build table to the floor before I built my Horizontal and Vertical Stabs. I don't like things moving around. You should do several trial assemblies before you secure the adustments in the tools. Taking measurements and ensuring repeatability. Secure all adjustments doing the bondo treatment. Before you commit to attaching these parts permanently, try doing several trial assemblies, again taking new measurements each time. Take a deep breath, mix up the epoxy and final assemble everything for the last time. By then you'll not only be assured of the quality, but you'll be a pro at assembling outer wings (and the confidence that comes along with it). As a word of encouragement, your project quality is a direct reflection of the tools that you use. Good Luck! --- Dan & Michele wrote: > Netters I am curently in the proces of instaling > my Diehl wingskins.I have the lower skin on both > wings, the ribs are in place. Last night I went out > to my garage to doublecheck the washout before > epoxying on the top wingskin. Much to my dismay the > washout had changed. It was off 3/4" over a 2' > length on the right wing at the rib glued to the end > of the spar and 3/16" on the left, aparently while > gluing the lower skins to the spars the weight of > the clamps caused the rear spar to sag. ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:54:06 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KRNET" Subject: KR>ELT on Ebay Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 I give up, sport pilot, etcetra. ELT for sale on eBay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2454537260&ssP ageName=ADME:B:LC:MT:1 10 percent discount to anyone who has posted on KRNET. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:42:00 -0500 From: "robert cooper" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Diehl Wingskins Message-ID: <410-22004141517420310@earthlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BC2B74.89D1CCC0" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC2B74.89D1CCC0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Dan Some pictures of how Grene Byrd did his wingskins. http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/byrdconstphoto4.html Jack Cooper http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/kr2.html kr2cooper@earthlink.net ------=_NextPart_000_01BC2B74.89D1CCC0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="byrdconstphoto4.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description: byrdconstphoto4.url Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="byrdconstphoto4.url" W0RFRkFVTFRdDQpCQVNFVVJMPWh0dHA6Ly93d3cuamFja2FuZHNhbmR5Y29vcGVyLmNvbS9ieXJk Y29uc3RwaG90bzQuaHRtbA0KDQpbSW50ZXJuZXRTaG9ydGN1dF0NClVSTD1odHRwOi8vd3d3Lmph Y2thbmRzYW5keWNvb3Blci5jb20vYnlyZGNvbnN0cGhvdG80Lmh0bWwNCk1vZGlmaWVkPTYwMDRC QjY1OEVEQkMzMDFCMQ0K ------=_NextPart_000_01BC2B74.89D1CCC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:21:11 -0600 From: "Russ Fenlason" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Art Cacella Message-ID: <002c01c3db94$5a8f9d70$0200a8c0@D2M43L01> References: <20040111.150134.-234233.0.intrepid1ac@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 Art Cacella, Please contact me off list. I have severeal questions not KR related I would like to ask. Thanks Russ Fenlason Breckenridge, MN asiruss@702com.net ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 281, Issue 1 *************************************