From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 282, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Another KR on eBay (Dan Heath) 2. Re: Equip. TSO Requirements (was Re: KR>DAR's and inspections) (Dana Overall) 3. Regs (Colin & Bev Rainey) 4. Airplane get together (Dana Overall) 5. Re: Another KR on eBay (Bernard McLean Sr) 6. Re: Airplane get together (Scott Cable) 7. RE: Transponder ground plane (Ron Freiberger) 8. alignment of rear spar (larry flesner) 9. Friday, Friday, Friday---New FAA Regulatory Notice--totally OT (Dana Overall) 10. Re: Friday, Friday, Friday---New FAA Regulatory Notice--totally OT (larry severson) 11. spar alignment / followup/ Gathering (larry flesner) 12. Response to recent General Avaition News Story (Les Criscillo) 13. RE: Response to recent General Avaition News Story (Ron Freiberger) 14. Re: Response to recent General Avaition News Story (larry severson) 15. Re: Response to recent General Avaition News Story (Les Criscillo) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 05:46:06 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>Another KR on eBay Message-ID: <4007C0EE.000003.03580@Computer> References: <011e01c3dbea$263762a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 Current bid is at 8500, I would not go over 10,000 on this one. The gear worries me a little. The interior is ratty. You might have a problem wi= th head room. The "buy it now" price is ridiculous. For 9500, you would h= ave what looks like a nice start on a really good airplane.=0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet=0D Date: Thursday, January 15, 2004 11:35:16 PM=0D To: KR Net=0D Subject: KR>Another KR on eBay=0D =0D This is a really nice looking KR....check it out.=0D http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI dll?ViewItem&item=3D2454445968&category=3D26428=0D =0D Mark Jones (N886MJ)=0D Wales, WI USA=0D E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com=0D Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at=0D http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html=0D =0D _______________________________________=0D to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net=0D please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom serge.vidal@ate-international.com Fri Jan 16 03:51:10 2004 Received: from rissala173.outgw.tn ([193.95.17.173]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AhSVJ-000Kgw-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 03:51:10 -0800 Received: from tounes-22.ati.tn (tounes-22.ati.tn [193.95.66.22]) by rissala164.ingw.tn (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0GDfYNf020282 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:41:34 -0100 (GMT) Received: from smtp2.planet.net.tn (smtp.planet.tn [193.95.123.26]) by tounes-22.ati.tn (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0GAes6t017151 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:40:55 +0200 (EET) Received: from sergevidal ([213.150.173.238]) by smtp2.planet.net.tn (Switch-3.1.3/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id i0GDXDva005725 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:33:14 -0100 (GMT) From: "Serge F. Vidal" To: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:39:04 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c3dc25$62997270$2c0101c0@ate.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: KR>Transponder ground plane X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: serge.vidal@ate-international.com, KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Just two words on the situation, otherwise you will not understand the question: I am in Tunisia, my KR2 is in France. I want to prepare my trip to go there, and I will make a few mods to the aircraft. So, I am now busy preparing parts, but I have no access to the aircraft now to check layouts, dimensions, etc. OK, here is the problem. The transponder currently installed is a Bendix King KT 76. The transponder antenna is probably a KA60. The antenna has been installed under the baggage compartment shelf. As we have debated a few months ago, this is very bad, because it probably frys my brains. So, I want to move the transponder antenna to is normal location: under the belly. And I also want to make a ground plane. And here are the questions: - What is the correct size and shape for the ground plane? - How is the antenna mounted? How many holes, what size? How many contacts? - How does the antenna contact to the ground plane? Is it through its mounting washer? - I intend to make the ground plane with a sheet of aluminum foil, which will be reinforced by a sheet of Vinyl on top. Must I leave a large hole in the middle of the Vinyl, to allow the foil to make contact with the washer? - What can I use to glue the antenna plane to the floor? Is double sided adhesive OK? Is contact adhesive glue better? Or is it better to glue the foil to a hard sheet of plastic, and screw everything in place without glueing? Or is it better to cut the ground plane out of a thin sheet of aluminum (0.8mm is the thinnest I can get)? Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Tunis, Tunisia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 07:04:27 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: Equip. TSO Requirements (was Re: KR>DAR's and inspections) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 > We can agree to disagree, too. Not a problem. > I'm back to sanding in the 34-F carport. Winds of 20, > gusts to 35 blowing the dust away. > Painting will have to wait until it gets a =lot= warmer > and a bit less windy! > > a r t Whatever, just don't get violoated. I don't think you will like the outcome;-) Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up — fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 07:15:37 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Regs Message-ID: <004b01c3dc2a$73a2c490$f2452141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 Netters, One misconception is that there are not any regs beyond the FAR/AIM for = pilots. Most things concerning equipment and installation methods, = acceptable parts, and construction methods are not found in the FAR/AIM, = but rather in the FAR/AMT book. This is what the A&Ps use, along with = appropriate ACs. Art I don't know who told you that ACs are just = advisory and not regulatory, but they are wrong. If the AC further = explains a regulation and adds details to that reg, then the information = contained is regulatory, and must also be complied with. There are ACs = that just inform and ACs that are regulatory. You have to read them to = find which it is. The Airplane Flying Handbook is just one example of = an AC that started out small and grew, and is regulatory because all of = the procedures spelled out there are what the Practical Test Standard is = derived from. The AC on pilot endorsements, and the one on the Pilot = Proficiency "WINGS" Program are both regulatory. So there are both. = Be careful, you may think information it is optional when it is not. = Lastly, often times the Airman's Information Manual is taught as being = advisory not regs. Yet the Section on communications as an example, is = regs, just explained there. Try not to make over generalizations. The = FAA will surprise you every time. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crainey1@cfl.rr.com or crbrn96ta@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.htmlFrom flesner@midwest.net Fri Jan 16 05:14:41 2004 Received: from epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.181]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AhTo9-000LVZ-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 05:14:41 -0800 Received: from dsc07-cir-oh-206-215-109-138.rasserver.net ([206.215.109.138] helo=larry-flesner) by epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AhTeM-0006qQ-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 05:04:35 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040116065650.0082b100@pop.midwest.net> X-Sender: flesner@pop.midwest.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 06:56:50 -0600 To: KRnet From: larry flesner In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20040115183505.007f95c0@pop.midwest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: KR>Sport Pilot / Don't ask, don't tell X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: >OK, but how 'bout if I feel good, my doctor says I'm good, my other >doctor says I'm good, and I'm flying alone, is that so bad? > >My medical was denied after three doctors said I was fine; >That was a year ago, and I STILL HAVE ZERO SYMPTOMS, AND ZERO MEDICAL. > >Ron Freiberger +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Ron, It would seem to me that when the FAA is taken out of the picture you have done your part to "self certify". When the SP rule goes into effect I would get a written statement from your doctors and go fly. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 07:55:01 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Airplane get together Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4 Since it's Friday here goes: I am planning on having a nice ol fashion airplane get together on Saturday, February 28th at my office, shop, and house. My shop is located through a door in my office. Walking out of my office takes you to a bathroom then game room with pool table, ping-pong table, fridge, and big screen TV. I'll probably end up buying a keg, and a boatload of Hooters wings. My airplane project is sitting in the shop. We'll have a TV in the shop with RV tapes and KR tapes (still like to watch gathering tapes) going while the bit screen will have the same going. If you drive in and want to spend the night, there are numerous hotels within 10 minutes of the house. If I know you, we may be able to make some other kind of arrangement. This will be a gathering of any type of pilot, builder, enthusiast or wantta be. We'll start in the morning of the 28th. and carry on until we are all out of lies. There will be plastic guys here, metal head guys, fabric guys, wood guys, dangerous guys but one thing is certain; you will meet some new friends and learn some new techniques in the process of having a great time. My house is about 20 miles south of Lexington, KY about 10 minutes off of I-75. Mapquest will get you to within 2 houses of mine at 1036 Countryside Drive, Richmond, KY 40475. This is not just for RV builders, all are invited and welcome. Point out as many discrepancies as you can on my project but just remember.........that opinion goes with YOU when you leave:-) I'll post something a couple more times but I would like to know an approximate head count for the beer, soda and food. If anyone sees Melody Mountains, the KR groupee, let her know also:-) Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ There are now three new levels of MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Learn more. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:05:17 -0600 From: Bernard McLean Sr To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Another KR on eBay Message-ID: <4007EF9D.80706@verizon.net> References: <011e01c3dbea$263762a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> <4007C0EE.000003.03580@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 I noticed what looks like epoxy around the prop flange. Is oil leakage in this area a typical problem? Bernie McLean N1007N ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 06:55:59 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Airplane get together Message-ID: <20040116145559.85469.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6 We'll see ya on the 28th? I just checked my calandar, and I have a Build-to-Package start on the 27th. No Feature Freezes and no BTP Releases.. In other words, I'll be able to take the weekend off. Now if I can find a ride.... --- Dana Overall wrote: > I'll post something a couple more times but I would > like to know an > approximate head count for the beer, soda and food. > > If anyone sees Melody Mountains, the KR groupee, let > her know also:-) > > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit > Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ > There are now three new levels of MSN Hotmail Extra > Storage! Learn more. > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1 > > > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:19:33 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: , "KRnet" Subject: RE: KR>Transponder ground plane Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000001c3dc25$62997270$2c0101c0@ate.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 Ground plane... I have some 10" x 11" sheets (4) of double sided copper on epoxy circuit board material, which I picked up for this purpose. These sheets are .022 inches thick, quite light. I haven't looked up the right size, but I think it's about 9 inches in diameter. Someone else can chime in with that info. Free to whoever needs one, my KT76 is for sale on eBay, and I'm bailing out of the homebuilt business. Serge, one sheet is yours; send me a mailing address, and I'll mail it too you. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Serge F. Vidal Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 6:39 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Transponder ground plane Just two words on the situation, otherwise you will not understand the question: I am in Tunisia, my KR2 is in France. I want to prepare my trip to go there, and I will make a few mods to the aircraft. So, I am now busy preparing parts, but I have no access to the aircraft now to check layouts, dimensions, etc. OK, here is the problem. The transponder currently installed is a Bendix King KT 76. The transponder antenna is probably a KA60. The antenna has been installed under the baggage compartment shelf. As we have debated a few months ago, this is very bad, because it probably frys my brains. So, I want to move the transponder antenna to is normal location: under the belly. And I also want to make a ground plane. And here are the questions: - What is the correct size and shape for the ground plane? - How is the antenna mounted? How many holes, what size? How many contacts? - How does the antenna contact to the ground plane? Is it through its mounting washer? - I intend to make the ground plane with a sheet of aluminum foil, which will be reinforced by a sheet of Vinyl on top. Must I leave a large hole in the middle of the Vinyl, to allow the foil to make contact with the washer? - What can I use to glue the antenna plane to the floor? Is double sided adhesive OK? Is contact adhesive glue better? Or is it better to glue the foil to a hard sheet of plastic, and screw everything in place without glueing? Or is it better to cut the ground plane out of a thin sheet of aluminum (0.8mm is the thinnest I can get)? Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Tunis, Tunisia _______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:08:49 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>alignment of rear spar Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040116100849.0079ccb0@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <008d01c3dc00$dc2181c0$75a0fea9@johnjane> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8 >If you raise your rear centre spar above the lower longerons by about 5/8" and leave the main centre spar sitting on the longerons you can obtain the following advantages: >The Martindale Family ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This 5/8" measurement could be a "shot in the dark" as each KR might be different. The rib drawings in the plans have the spars and cord line drawn with the cord line intersecting the spars at a 3 1/2 degree angle. If one redraws the the spars on the ribs to have the cord line intersect the spar at the angle of their choosing, and then use the ribs to set the rear spar, it should take all the guesswork out of the proceedure. Note that the front spar is plumb when the firewall is plumb. Using the firewall as a reference allows the builder to set the wing properly without the top longerons even entering the picture. Also note that the horz stab is "level" when the firewall is plumb. Assuming that is the correct angle for good handling, it allows the builder to set the horz. stab with a level also. It worked for me and eliminated the guesswork of how much to raise the forward spar on the horz stab and eliminated any reference to the "banana boat" top longerons. I'm not sure why builders want to complicate it beyond that with using complicated math and measurements. As I stated many times before, I was able set my wing to within 1/10th of a degree using just two bubble levels. I can't imagine it getting any easier than that. Larry Flesner Carterville, Illinois ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:38:10 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Friday, Friday, Friday---New FAA Regulatory Notice--totally OT Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9 Subject: regulatory notice NOTICE OF PROPOSED RULEMAKING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FEDERAL AVIATION REGULATION ACT 1000.A No pilot or pilots, or person or persons acting on the direction or suggestion or supervision of the pilot or pilots may try, or attempt to try or make or make attempt to try to comprehend or understand any or all, in whole or in part of the herein mentioned Federal Aviation Regulations, except as authorized by the Administrator or an agent appointed by, or inspected by the Administrator. 1000.B If the pilot, or group of associated pilots becomes aware of, or realizes, or detects, or discovers or finds that he, or she, or they, are or have been beginning to understand the Federal Aviation Regulations, they must immediately, within three (3) days notify, in writing, the Administrator. 1000.C Upon receipt of the above mentioned notice of impending comprehension, the Administrator will immediately rewrite the Federal Aviation Regulations in such a manner as to eliminate any further comprehension hazards. 1000.D The Administrator may, at his or her option, require the offending pilot, or pilots, to attend remedial instruction in Federal Aviation Regulations until such time that the pilot is too confused to be capable of understanding anything Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here. http://special.msn.com/bcentral/prep04.armx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:51:10 -0800 From: larry severson To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Friday, Friday, Friday---New FAA Regulatory Notice--totally OT Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040116085014.029343d8@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10 Unfortunately, that series of reg changes make sense. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:55:36 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>spar alignment / followup/ Gathering Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040116105536.007fa100@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040116100849.0079ccb0@pop.midwest.net> References: <008d01c3dc00$dc2181c0$75a0fea9@johnjane> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11 When building the "boat", the spreading of the top longerons tends to pull the top of the firewall back and thus give the engine thrust line a slightly positive angle. This might further explain the need for many KR's to fly with a more nose down attitude. Using the firewall as a reference when building the rest of the airframe would eliminate that possibility also. In working on copy machines, etc. for 33 years we called this a "build up of tolerances". All components can be within spec ,but at the extremes, and the final result of several components working together or in series is unacceptable. I can't wait to get the KR back in the air. Even with just four flights to date I'm suffering withdrawal symptoms. I hope to be able to post info later today on the selected motel for the Gathering and, with the help of Bob Lee, have a full blown web site up soon. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:22:20 -0500 From: "Les Criscillo" To: Cc: "KR2 Mailing List" Subject: KR>Response to recent General Avaition News Story Message-ID: <05b001c3dc66$10555ab0$0300a8c0@your1rnfg39627> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 12 I am a general aviation pilot and have just reviewed your story = concerning the security risks at general aviation airports. I have also = reviewed the responses from the AOPA and the EAA, two organizations = representing hundreds of thousands of pilots and aviation enthusiasts. I feel your reporting represented a significant lack of depth and = balance. While there is a risk with many everyday activities and there = are many that could be put to use by those intending to bring harm to = others, you fail to point out the positive aspects of the activities of = pilots and aviation supports. Private use airports and fly-in = communities are no different than any other subdivision or neighborhood = in the United States that allows a group of like minded to live and = congregate together. I agree with the premise that there is a risk in a = single individual taking it upon himself to create a flying bomb out of = a general aviation aircraft. But there are risks associated with the = freedoms we enjoy as pilots in the United States, and as there are risks = with participation in many aspects of our lives, the likelihood of this = use of a general aviation aircraft is very low. Many risk assessments = have been done by our federal government since 9/11, and when = prioritizing our needs, they placed this risk at a very low level.=20 Your report mentions nothing of the patriotism of the pilots, = aviation enthusiasts, or the residents of these communities. Many are = retired military, retired airline pilots, or people who know and respect = the use general aviation aircraft. Just as you would lock your car, look = out your window, and monitor who drives up and down your street, these = residents watch over their "neighborhood" As a provider of news and information, you should take it upon = yourselves to provide balanced information to allow your viewers to form = an opinion that is based on their conclusions, not yours.=20 Les Criscillo Tampa, FL Lcriscil@tampabay.rr.com http://groups.msn.com/LesLifeandfriends/homepageFrom virgnvs@juno.com Fri Jan 16 11:42:07 2004 Received: from m12.nyc.untd.com ([64.136.22.75]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AhZr4-0000hJ-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:42:06 -0800 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"d8F/9F7rt1WR9CPd1Xr26VwJTRsLnu7RMvaWoaOUsieKk8/VHwB4FA==">; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:31:52 PST Received: (from virgnvs@juno.com) by m12.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JK2RRC3Y; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:31:52 PST To: krnet@mylist.net Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:18:02 -0500 Subject: Re: KR>Sun & Fun Message-ID: <20040116.143236.2484.0.virgnvs@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: The KR Dinner Friday night, Virg On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:24:33 -0700 "Lee" writes: > Hey Netters, > > I have just booked Airfare and Hotel reservations for this years Sun > & Fun. I was hoping there would be a good showing of KR's. This > will be my first time to the S & F. I have been to Oshkosh several > times. I will be going with the wife, (her idea) she will not be > going to the show, so if there are any other netters in the same > situation, maybe the wives can hook up. One thing I would love to > see is the Great Planes Booth, I hear that they will be building a > VW a few time during the week. Any other suggestions on what to > attend??? > > Lee Van Dyke > Mesa AZ > lee@vandyke5.com > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:32:45 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KRnet" Subject: RE: KR>Response to recent General Avaition News Story Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <05b001c3dc66$10555ab0$0300a8c0@your1rnfg39627> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Les, I'm not sure who the "YOU/YOUR" message is addressed to , but shouldn't "THEY" maybe ban cars? Aka CAR BOMBS ? Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Les Criscillo Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 2:22 PM To: evening@cbsnews.com Cc: KR2 Mailing List Subject: KR>Response to recent General Avaition News Story I am a general aviation pilot and have just reviewed your story concerning the security risks at general aviation airports. I have also reviewed the responses from the AOPA and the EAA, two organizations representing hundreds of thousands of pilots and aviation enthusiasts. I feel your reporting represented a significant lack of depth and balance. While there is a risk with many everyday activities and there are many that could be put to use by those intending to bring harm to others, you fail to point out the positive aspects of the activities of pilots and aviation supports. Private use airports and fly-in communities are no different than any other subdivision or neighborhood in the United States that allows a group of like minded to live and congregate together. I agree with the premise that there is a risk in a single individual taking it upon himself to create a flying bomb out of a general aviation aircraft. But there are risks associated with the freedoms we enjoy as pilots in the United States, and as there are risks with participation in many aspects of our lives, the likelihood of this use of a general aviation aircraft is very low. Many risk assessments have been done by our federal government since 9/11, and when prioritizing our needs, they placed this risk at a very low level. Your report mentions nothing of the patriotism of the pilots, aviation enthusiasts, or the residents of these communities. Many are retired military, retired airline pilots, or people who know and respect the use general aviation aircraft. Just as you would lock your car, look out your window, and monitor who drives up and down your street, these residents watch over their "neighborhood" As a provider of news and information, you should take it upon yourselves to provide balanced information to allow your viewers to form an opinion that is based on their conclusions, not yours. Les Criscillo Tampa, FL Lcriscil@tampabay.rr.com http://groups.msn.com/LesLifeandfriends/homepage____________________________ ___________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:42:09 -0800 From: larry severson To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Response to recent General Avaition News Story Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040116114041.02968e40@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <05b001c3dc66$10555ab0$0300a8c0@your1rnfg39627> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14 I sent a similar message to CBS, but I added that most general aviation planes would have trouble carrying enough explosive to destroy anything larger than a 711. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:43:48 -0500 From: "Les Criscillo" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Response to recent General Avaition News Story Message-ID: <05e401c3dc69$0f829a00$0300a8c0@your1rnfg39627> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 15 If we live in fear, we have let them win! Les Criscillo Tampa, FL Lcriscil@tampabay.rr.com http://groups.msn.com/LesLifeandfriends/homepage ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ron Freiberger=20 To: KRnet=20 Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 14:32 Subject: RE: KR>Response to recent General Avaition News Story Les, I'm not sure who the "YOU/YOUR" message is addressed to , but = shouldn't "THEY" maybe ban cars? Aka CAR BOMBS ? Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On = Behalf Of Les Criscillo Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 2:22 PM To: evening@cbsnews.com Cc: KR2 Mailing List Subject: KR>Response to recent General Avaition News Story I am a general aviation pilot and have just reviewed your story = concerning the security risks at general aviation airports. I have also reviewed = the responses from the AOPA and the EAA, two organizations representing = hundreds of thousands of pilots and aviation enthusiasts. I feel your reporting represented a significant lack of depth and balance. While there is a risk with many everyday activities and there = are many that could be put to use by those intending to bring harm to = others, you fail to point out the positive aspects of the activities of pilots = and aviation supports. Private use airports and fly-in communities are no different than any other subdivision or neighborhood in the United = States that allows a group of like minded to live and congregate together. I = agree with the premise that there is a risk in a single individual taking it = upon himself to create a flying bomb out of a general aviation aircraft. = But there are risks associated with the freedoms we enjoy as pilots in the United States, and as there are risks with participation in many = aspects of our lives, the likelihood of this use of a general aviation aircraft = is very low. Many risk assessments have been done by our federal government = since 9/11, and when prioritizing our needs, they placed this risk at a very = low level. Your report mentions nothing of the patriotism of the pilots, = aviation enthusiasts, or the residents of these communities. Many are retired military, retired airline pilots, or people who know and respect the = use general aviation aircraft. Just as you would lock your car, look out = your window, and monitor who drives up and down your street, these = residents watch over their "neighborhood" As a provider of news and information, you should take it upon yourselves to provide balanced information to allow your viewers to = form an opinion that is based on their conclusions, not yours. Les Criscillo Tampa, FL Lcriscil@tampabay.rr.com = http://groups.msn.com/LesLifeandfriends/homepage_________________________= ___ ___________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 282, Issue 1 *************************************