From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 283, Issue 2 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Photo of the Week updated. (Dan Heath) 2. Photo of the Week updated. (larry flesner) 3. Re: Current News (Dennis Mingear) 4. Re: Photo of the Week updated. (Mark Jones) 5. Re: Airworthiness certificate question (kevin) 6. Re: Airworthiness certificate question (kevin) 7. Re: Airworthiness certificate question (kevin) 8. Re: Airworthiness certificate question (Kenneth B. Jones) 9. Re: Airworthiness certificate question (Kenneth B. Jones) 10. Get it certified outside U.S.territory (Simon) 11. RE: Get it certified outside U.S.territory (Simon) 12. Aerocarb / Fuel pressure regulator / FIRE (Mark Jones) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 10:07:01 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>Photo of the Week updated. Message-ID: <40094F95.000001.00336@Computer> References: <005601c3dd09$71b46dc0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 Mark,=0D =0D Nice prop. It sure looks to be looming large in that photo. Sterba make= s a great prop. =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From flesner@midwest.net Sat Jan 17 07:33:28 2004 Received: from sire.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.182]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AhsS0-000GHw-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 07:33:28 -0800 Received: from dsc05-cir-oh-199-35-184-187.rasserver.net ([199.35.184.187] helo=larry-flesner) by sire.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AhsIG-00059O-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 07:23:25 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040117091553.00798100@pop.midwest.net> X-Sender: flesner@pop.midwest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:15:53 -0600 To: KRnet From: larry flesner In-Reply-To: <20040117021113.49637.qmail@web21206.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: KR>Airworthiness certificate question X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: My airworthiness certificate says" Special >Airworthiness Certificate" on it. Do all experimental airworthiness >certificates say "Special" on them or is this something pertaining to >my aircraft? Thanks in advance, Rick Wilson. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Rick, Seeing no other replys I'll throw something out. I believe that "Experimental" is in the class of "special airworthiness certifications" and yours is the same as all others. I'll try to remember to look at mine the next time I'm at the airport but I won't make any promises considering my memory capacity! :-) Larry Flesner Carterville, Illinois ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:33:34 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>Photo of the Week updated. Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040117093334.00809620@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <005601c3dd09$71b46dc0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 At 08:51 AM 1/17/04 -0600, you wrote: >I have installed my new Ed Sterba 56x64 prop. Here is the link to a >photo. http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/photo.html >Mark Jones (N886MJ) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mark, Nice looking prop. Two things: Is Ed no longer putting his stickers on the prop face? I notice you have a rear spinner plate but no front plate. I'd recommend to everyone that whatever spinner you install that it include a front support plate complete with screws. I had installed a front support but no screws and when removed after several hours of running I was amazed at how much "chaffing" there was inside the spinner from movement between the spinner and the front plate. I then mounted blind nuts and screws on the front support also. The spinner on the Tripacer is mounted with front and rear support plate screws and it has been trouble free for 500+ hours for me and many more before I purchased it. O.K., three things. For those that haven't ordered a prop yet and have your landing lights inside or very near the prop arc, have the back side of the prop finished in black. If you don't your lights will create a prop sized, wood colored arc when they are turned on. Live and learn. :-) Larry Flesner Carterville, Illinois ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 07:44:29 -0800 (PST) From: Dennis Mingear To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Current News Message-ID: <20040117154429.20132.qmail@span.corp.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <001101c3dcc8$4a2a4540$47da1818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3 Awesome!!! Congratulations Justin. Nice accomplishment. I'm still working on mine, I hope to finish up this spring. Denny ... Justin wrote: Just thought I would put a post up that I passed my Private Pilot Check Ride today (b-day). Now onto my IFR and back to work on the KR. Justin N116JW www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home_______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" SweepstakesFrom flykr2s@wi.rr.com Sat Jan 17 07:56:52 2004 Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com ([24.94.166.129]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Ahsoe-000Gb9-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 07:56:52 -0800 Received: from mark (CPE-65-31-81-78.wi.rr.com [65.31.81.78]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i0HFki5b027708 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:46:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <007401c3dd11$2a6747a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" References: <005601c3dd09$71b46dc0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> <40094F95.000001.00336@Computer> Subject: Re: KR>Photo of the Week updated. Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:47:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Yes it does look large in that photo but it's not. I was very close to the prop so as to get a good shot. I have a 9.75" ground clearance. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:07 AM Subject: Re: KR>Photo of the Week updated. Mark, Nice prop. It sure looks to be looming large in that photo. Sterba makes a great prop. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org _______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:52:12 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Photo of the Week updated. Message-ID: <008001c3dd11$df70ccc0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20040117093334.00809620@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Larry, this is a temporary installation. I do not have front plate yet but will be getting one if available for this spinner and prop thickness. If not, I will try and make one. Ed did not put his label on this prop. Don't know if he forgot to or what. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:33 AM Subject: KR>Photo of the Week updated. > At 08:51 AM 1/17/04 -0600, you wrote: > >I have installed my new Ed Sterba 56x64 prop. Here is the link to a photo. > >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/photo.html > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Mark, > > Nice looking prop. Two things: > > Is Ed no longer putting his stickers on the prop face? > > I notice you have a rear spinner plate but no front plate. I'd > recommend to everyone that whatever spinner you install that it > include a front support plate complete with screws. I had installed a > front support but no screws and when removed after several hours of > running I was amazed at how much "chaffing" there was inside the > spinner from movement between the spinner and the front plate. I then > mounted blind nuts and screws on the front support also. > > The spinner on the Tripacer is mounted with front and rear support > plate screws and it has been trouble free for 500+ hours for me and > many more before I purchased it. > > O.K., three things. For those that haven't ordered a prop yet and > have your landing lights inside or very near the prop arc, have the > back side of the prop finished in black. If you don't your lights will > create a prop sized, wood colored arc when they are turned on. Live > and learn. :-) > > Larry Flesner > Carterville, Illinois > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 10:54:21 -0500 From: kevin To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Airworthiness certificate question Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040117105421.007cd5f0@pop3.wcoil.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040117091553.00798100@pop.midwest.net> References: <20040117021113.49637.qmail@web21206.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5 Hi Rick,, I just went through this very question with fdso . Yes a special airworthiness cert is first issued with all the limitations , ie only within 25 miles of home airport ect . Once the pic or owner completes the test phase , The special limitations are lifted .You do not get another cert. once this is done . This is confusing because my kr just has an airworthiness cert and not a special and i purchased another experimental that had a special cert only , so after many calls ect , I recieved the answer that a FDSO used to come out and sign the plane off a second time after the test phase and reissue an air worthiness cert and they no longer do this . The certificate stays a special all that is needed to lift any special limitations is the loggbook endorsement with special wording of the completed test phase . Look for that without it you are limited . So in short you will see experimentals operating under two different air worthiness certificates . Both being the same thing once the test phase is done.Kevincert is issuedAt 09:15 AM 1/17/04 -0600, you wrote: >My airworthiness certificate says" Special >>Airworthiness Certificate" on it. Do all experimental airworthiness >>certificates say "Special" on them or is this something pertaining to >>my aircraft? Thanks in advance, Rick Wilson. >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >Rick, > >Seeing no other replys I'll throw something out. I believe that >"Experimental" is in the class of "special airworthiness >certifications" and yours is the same as all others. I'll try to >remember to look at mine the next time I'm at the airport but I won't >make any promises considering my memory capacity! :-) > >Larry Flesner >Carterville, Illinois > > > >_______________________________________ >to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:05:05 -0500 From: kevin To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Airworthiness certificate question Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040117110505.007c2780@pop3.wcoil.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040117091553.00798100@pop.midwest.net> References: <20040117021113.49637.qmail@web21206.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6 I looked up the wording and the logbook entry should read : I certify that this aircraft is controllable throughout its normal range of speeds and throughout all manuvers to be excuted and the aircraft has no hazardous operating characteristics or design features . hrs in service listed signed x builder or test pilot ,, usually the same person Without this endorsement you are flying in the test phase and subject to special limitations , after this endorsement you are only subject to the normal experimental catagory restrictions.At 09:15 AM 1/17/04 -0600, you wrote: >My airworthiness certificate says" Special >>Airworthiness Certificate" on it. Do all experimental airworthiness >>certificates say "Special" on them or is this something pertaining to >>my aircraft? Thanks in advance, Rick Wilson. >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >Rick, > >Seeing no other replys I'll throw something out. I believe that >"Experimental" is in the class of "special airworthiness >certifications" and yours is the same as all others. I'll try to >remember to look at mine the next time I'm at the airport but I won't >make any promises considering my memory capacity! :-) > >Larry Flesner >Carterville, Illinois > > > >_______________________________________ >to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:21:47 -0500 From: kevin To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Airworthiness certificate question Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040117112147.007bcba0@pop3.wcoil.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040117110505.007c2780@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20040117091553.00798100@pop.midwest.net> <20040117021113.49637.qmail@web21206.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 For example the kr listed on ebay will have a special airworthiness certificate . It only has 30 mins of airtime . the test phase is usually 40hrs . So this aircraft can only be operated under the special limitations given by the FSDO at time of issue . some examples are , no passangers , 25 mile radius of home airport. So if you buy this plane and live elsewhere you will need the limitations changed ect. KevinAt 11:05 AM 1/17/04 -0500, you wrote: >I looked up the wording and the logbook entry should read : > I certify that this aircraft is controllable throughout its normal >range of speeds and throughout all manuvers to be excuted and the >aircraft has no hazardous operating characteristics or design features >. hrs in service listed > >signed x builder or test pilot ,, usually the same person > > Without this endorsement you are flying in the test phase and subject >to special limitations , after this endorsement you are only subject to >the normal experimental catagory restrictions.At 09:15 AM 1/17/04 >-0600, you >wrote: >>My airworthiness certificate says" Special >>>Airworthiness Certificate" on it. Do all experimental airworthiness >>>certificates say "Special" on them or is this something pertaining to >>>my aircraft? Thanks in advance, Rick Wilson. >>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >>Rick, >> >>Seeing no other replys I'll throw something out. I believe that >>"Experimental" is in the class of "special airworthiness >>certifications" and yours is the same as all others. I'll try to >>remember to look at mine the next time I'm at the airport but I won't >>make any promises considering my memory capacity! :-) >> >>Larry Flesner >>Carterville, Illinois >> >> >> >>_______________________________________ >>to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >>please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html >> >> > > >_______________________________________ >to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:32:01 -0500 From: "Kenneth B. Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Airworthiness certificate question Message-ID: <035a01c3dd17$6f935a20$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> References: <20040117021113.49637.qmail@web21206.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.6.32.20040117105421.007cd5f0@pop3.wcoil.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 8 Here is the official word from FAA Order # 8130.2E. See 25. b. and = 25.b.(5) below. You should have a Special Airworthiess Certificate = (Form 8130-7) for your Amateur Built experimental plane. Ken Jones SECTION 2. AIRWORTHINESS CERTIFICATES AND CERTIFICATIONS 24. GENERAL. Form 8100-2 and FAA Form 8130-7, Special Airworthiness = Certificate, will be referred to as being either a standard or a special = classification within this order.=20 25. CLASSIFICATION AND CATEGORY OF AIRWORTHINESS CERTIFICATES.=20 a. Standard Classification. Form 8100-2 may be issued for an aircraft = that fully complies with all of the requirements applicable to the = normal, utility, acrobatic, commuter, or transport category, manned free = balloons, or any other special classes of aircraft designated by the = Administrator.=20 b. Special Classification. Form 8130-7 may be issued for an aircraft = that does not meet the requirements for a standard airworthiness = certificate. The certificate may be issued for an aircraft that meets = the following:=20 (5) Experimental. For any category of aircraft, including amateur-built = (=A7=A7 21.191, 21.193, and 21.195).=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "kevin" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 10:54 AM Subject: Re: KR>Airworthiness certificate question > Hi Rick,, >=20 >=20 > I just went through this very question with fdso . Yes a special >airworthiness cert is first issued with all the limitations , ie only >within 25 miles of home airport ect . Once the pic or owner completes = the > test phase , The special limitations are lifted .You do not get = another > cert. once this is done . This is confusing because my kr just has an > airworthiness cert and not a special and i purchased another = experimental > that had a special cert only , so after many calls ect , I recieved = the > answer that a FDSO used to come out and sign the plane off a second = time > after the test phase and reissue an air worthiness cert and they no = longer > do this . The certificate stays a special all that is needed to lift = any > special limitations is the loggbook endorsement with special wording = of the > completed test phase . Look for that without it you are limited . So > = in > short you will see experimentals operating under two different air > worthiness certificates . Both being the same thing once the test = phase is > done.Kevincert is issuedAt 09:15 AM 1/17/04 -0600, you wrote: > >My airworthiness certificate says" Special > >>Airworthiness Certificate" on it. Do all experimental airworthiness > >>certificates say "Special" on them or is this something pertaining > >>to my aircraft? Thanks in advance, Rick Wilson. > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > >Rick, > > > >Seeing no other replys I'll throw something out. I believe that > >"Experimental" is in the class of "special airworthiness > >certifications" and yours is the same as all others. I'll try to > >remember to look at mine the next time I'm at the airport but I won't > >make any promises considering my memory capacity! :-) > > > >Larry Flesner > >Carterville, Illinois > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > >to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at >http://www.krnet.org/instructions.htmlFrom flesner@midwest.net Sat Jan 17 08:52:14 2004 Received: from sire.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.182]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AhtgE-000HWe-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 08:52:14 -0800 Received: from dsc04-cir-oh-207-221-234-93.rasserver.net ([207.221.234.93] helo=larry-flesner) by sire.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AhtWU-0003Bm-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 08:42:11 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040117103440.0083d310@pop.midwest.net> X-Sender: flesner@pop.midwest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 10:34:40 -0600 To: KRnet From: larry flesner In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040117105421.007cd5f0@pop3.wcoil.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20040117091553.00798100@pop.midwest.net> <20040117021113.49637.qmail@web21206.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: KR>Airworthiness certificate question X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: > I just went through this very question with fdso . Yes a special >airworthiness cert is first issued with all the limitations , ie only >within 25 miles of home airport ect . ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This particular item is at the discression of the DAR. I got 55 miles because I wanted to included a specific airport. He also explained that my KR is in "Phase 1" of flight testing for 40 hours. Again the DAR has some discression here but the standard for a non-certified engine/prop combo is 40 hours. At the end of 40 hours I make the log entry and place it in "Phase 2" which is the normal catagory for experimentals. At that point you can legally only do maneuvers, etc, that have been tested in "Phase 1". For example if you never do an aileron roll during "Phase 1" then you can't legally do one after "Phase 1" is completed. I have the option at any time of making a log entry and placing the KR back in "Phase 1" testing, complete with all the restrictions, to do further testing (commonly 5 hours or so he said) to test a new prop, engine, or other major changes. At the end of the test I make a log entry and put in back in "Phase 2". I see a real need for a "Aircraft certification" seminar at the KR Gathering. I've been through it and I'm not 100% sure of what I'm doing !! Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:57:28 -0500 From: "Kenneth B. Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Airworthiness certificate question Message-ID: <036901c3dd1a$fdf361e0$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> References: <3.0.6.32.20040117091553.00798100@pop.midwest.net> <20040117021113.49637.qmail@web21206.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.6.32.20040117103440.0083d310@pop.midwest.net> Precedence: list Message: 9 Larry, You're right, and your "certificate" will always be a Special Airworthiness Certificate (8130-7), even if it happened to be reissued for some reason after flying off the test time, as long as the plane doesn't meet the requirements for a Standard Airworthiness Certificate, which isn't likely. Ken Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 11:34 AM Subject: KR>Airworthiness certificate question > > I just went through this very question with fdso . Yes a special > >airworthiness cert is first issued with all the limitations , ie only > >within 25 miles of home airport ect . > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > This particular item is at the discression of the DAR. I got 55 miles > because I wanted to included a specific airport. > > He also explained that my KR is in "Phase 1" of flight testing for 40 > hours. Again the DAR has some discression here but the standard for a > non-certified engine/prop combo is 40 hours. At the end of 40 hours I > make the log entry and place it in "Phase 2" which is the normal > catagory for experimentals. At that point you can legally only do > maneuvers, etc, that have been tested in "Phase 1". For example if > you never do an aileron roll during "Phase 1" then you can't legally > do one after "Phase 1" is completed. > > I have the option at any time of making a log entry and placing the KR > back in "Phase 1" testing, complete with all the restrictions, to do > further testing (commonly 5 hours or so he said) to test a new prop, > engine, or other major changes. At the end of the test I make a log > entry and put in back in "Phase 2". > > I see a real need for a "Aircraft certification" seminar at the KR > Gathering. I've been through it and I'm not 100% sure of what I'm > doing !! > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:39:34 +0100 From: Simon To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Get it certified outside U.S.territory Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20040117183934.02136e80@icwn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10 Dear Group, first: thanks for all the important informations I got out of reading your articles the last months. I bought the almost completed KR2 N234AF ( previously OY-CYU ) a couple of months ago in germany. A few days ago I contacted an FAA-DAR in germany to get my plane certified, and he responded " ...Dear Sir, Sorry to tell you this, but this type of aircraft cannot be Certified outside the U.S.A. etc .... " During my stay in Los Angeles last year, I asked ad the local FSDO about getting an aircraft certified in germany, and they said it is no problem. I would appreciate any hint what might have caused his descision since he is not explaining it to me. Best regards Ralf Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:01:35 +0100 From: Simon To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>RE: Get it certified outside U.S.territory Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20040117200135.01fb2990@icwn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11 Dear Vidal, thanks for giving me the big picture on the problem. For shure I will NEVER try to register anything with the german aviation administration ( LBA ) . I don't think there is anyone with a KR2 in germany, and there will never be one. The goal of the german aviation administration is to keep people out of flying. Looks like I have to dump my plane. Best regards Ralf Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:36:58 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" , "Corvaircraft" Subject: KR>Aerocarb / Fuel pressure regulator / FIRE Message-ID: <00ba01c3dd31$4592f220$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 12 This combination simply will not work. I installed a Holley pressure = regulator and hooked it up to the mechanical fuel pump. I also installed = a very precise pressure gauge to it. The pressure will maintain a = setting when the engine is set at a constant throttle such as 1000 rpm. = The engine would run fine at 2 psi. However, when throttle was applied, = the fuel pressure would go up to 6 psi flooding out the carb. Now, I am = in the fluid control business and these regulators are worthless for our = application. What is needed is a modulating pressure regulator. A = modulating pressure regulator will keep the pressure constant at any = throttle setting. The only thing is, a modulating pressure regulator is = big, heavy and not practical for aircraft. So, I removed the Holley = pressure regulator and pressure gauge and disconnected the hoses from = the mechanical fuel pump. I then placed a tank on top of my front deck = and gravity fed the carb just because I wanted to run the engine. = Without thinking about fuel being in the mechanical pump, I hit the = switch, engine started, mechanical fuel pump emptied itself all over the = engine....FIRE....I almost had a heart attack. Flames were dancing = everywhere around the back of the engine. I shut it down, ran to get a = fire extinguisher which was about 15 feet away, grabbed it, turned back = to the plane and the fire was out. No my pants were not wet...but close. = After a close inspection of the engine, I saw no damage, even to the = wires, so I started the engine up, let it run and thanked God I still = had my plane. I have two choices. One is to install a small header fed = from my wing tanks or sell the Aerocarb and get another carb.=20 Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 283, Issue 2 *************************************