From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 286, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: alignment of rear spar (Dene Collett (SA)) 2. Re: Undercarriage (Eric J Pitts) 3. Re: Sun & Fun 4. Re: Get it certified outside U.S.territory / Entering european airspace (Simon) 5. RE: How to inspect the wings? (Kogelmann Christian - OS ETA) 6. I want to build. (KR2S) taildragger (Dan Heath) 7. Re: Rig Pin Locations? (Mac McConnell-Wood) 8. aileron movement (larry flesner) 9. Re: Sun & Fun (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 10. VERY NEW KR-2 FOR SALE (john smith) 11. aileron control horn (larry severson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:57:26 +0200 From: "Dene Collett \(SA\)" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>alignment of rear spar Message-ID: <000f01c3decd$8e6bd780$37e5fea9@telkomsa127179> References: <008d01c3dc00$dc2181c0$75a0fea9@johnjane> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Hi John Thanks for the help, your idea of the pushrod going behind the rear spar sounds interesting. Do you have any pics to show? My biggest worry is the rear spar that appears asm if I built it 5mm too high!! Dene Collett South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net P.S. Checkout www.whisperaircraft.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martindale Family" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:59 AM Subject: KR>alignment of rear spar Dene Something to consider and that has been discussed in the archives previously. If you raise your rear centre spar above the lower longerons by about 5/8" and leave the main centre spar sitting on the longerons you can obtain the following advantages: 1.. A reduction in angle of incidence of the wing (chord line relative to firewall) from about 3 1/2 degrees to 2 1/2 degrees. This reduces the nose down look that KRs have in level flight. 2.. A reduction in the decalage angle (relative difference betwen wing and tail plane incidence). This reduces drag. 3.. A gap under the spar so that you can run a elevator push rod under your seat from the bottom of the stick to the bell crank behind the spar. To set the washout at the wing tip I used the outer ply rib tacked with a single brad to the centres of each outer spar where intersected by the chordline and then just lifted the rear one until the appropriate washout was achieved. Followed by support and then glueing. Maintain the support until your skins are on and set to avoid the sagging problem. Regards The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjane@chc.net.au_______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:16:46 -0500 From: Eric J Pitts To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Undercarriage Message-ID: <20040119.171647.-16136627.0.thepittses@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Take a look at this page he may give you some idea's http://www.homestead.com/corsairhalfscale/f4u.html Eric Pitts TH Indiana On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:24:13 +0000 (GMT) =?iso-8859-1?q?Daren=20Cogdon?= writes: > Hi there > > I'm working on a Spitfire replica project that will include various > construction characteristics of the KR series (basically similar > airframe construction methods). > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:36:40 EST From: LaRRY5407@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Sun & Fun Message-ID: <1e8.178268e2.2d3de028@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Hi Virg. Larry and Terry here from SnF and other places. I we saw your name in the KR Net and thought we would say hi. Have moved agaig and now living in Knoxville, Tn Are you still in Miami. Drop a line to say Hi and I'll fill you in. Larry and Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:06:52 +0100 From: Simon To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Re: Get it certified outside U.S.territory / Entering european airspace Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20040120090652.0295e4d0@icwn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4 Dear Group, the problem was: a.) is it possible to get an experimental airplane certified outside U.S. territory under FAA Regulations? (in this case we are talking about germany or austria ) The answer is NO. The FAA Filed office in germany explained to me, that it is their policy not to certify ANY experimental aircraft outside U.S. territory. Quote. b.) is it possible to fly an N-registered, experimental aircraft legally in germany ( after it gets certified on U.S. territory ) The answer is YES. The LBA ( german avaiation administration ) explained to me, they would give general permission to my K2 to enter their airspace and stay in germany. They just reminded me, that I have to take care about customs for the plane. And they restrict all experimental aircraft to Day-VFR . b.) is it possible to fly an N-registered, experimental aircraft legally in austria ( after it gets certified on U.S. territory ) The answer is YES. Austrocontrol explained to me, they will issue a "validation" of my N-Number for 1 year. Means: every year, I have to proove my annual, insurance etc. No big deal. I forgot to ask about restrictions for operation ( VFR, Day + Nite, etc ). Sorry. There is also a good chance after flying some hours in Austria, to get the plane certified under OE-Registration - because it has prooven to fly safely. Summary: The only way to certify an experimental aircraft under FAA regulations is to get it certified in the U.S.A. Thereafter, it can be flown with some restrictions in germany and austria, and probably be converted to a OE-Registration but most likely not to a german D-registration. But you can fly in germany with a OE-Registration anyway. So austria is choice #1 . Anyone with contrary informations: your advice is very welcome. Best regards Ralf Simon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:12:22 +0100 From: Kogelmann Christian - OS ETA To: "'serge.vidal@ate-international.com'" , 'KRnet' Subject: RE: KR>How to inspect the wings? Message-ID: <9D054CEF43F1C243A279E5435E971746017D60C1@sviemxs02.gate01.skylines.global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 5 Serge, Netters, I've left a air ventilation hole/expansion hole in the center of the = Spar Web Blocks (Solid wood pieces between the upper and lower spar = capstrips). They are about 8mm or 0,32" in diameter. I know not everyone might have access to a borescope inspection tool, = but with this tool and a 6mm (1/4in) probe you are able to inspect the = insides of your spar (theoretical). Working for an airline (which has a variety of borescope inspection = tools for inspecting the insides of jet engines) I tried this method with the = my spars on the bench at our workshop. I've never tried this in an = installed spar, although this method worked inspecting a tube frame of a Piper = Cub and a K8 Sailplane. I think some car garages have such inspection equipment...so we just = need the center holes in the Spar Web Blocks, they are not called for in the plans. And the bigger those holes, the easier the inspection is, but on = the other hand might create structural problems. I figured, that having = those holes in the center line (neutral line) it should not be a problem..... LG Christian OE-VPD http://www.members.aon.at/oevpd -----Original Message----- From: Serge F. Vidal [mailto:serge.vidal@ate-international.com] Sent: Montag, 19. J=E4nner 2004 18:12 To: 'KRnet' Subject: KR>How to inspect the wings? I'm now having a good idea of how to register my South African built = KR2 in France. The main issue will be to prove them that the primary structure = is sound. Now, this means inspecting the wing spars. The guys who will do the inspection want me to propose a convincing way = to do so. I proposed to load the wings to design load (piling sandbags). = He does not like it, says it's a good way to create problems rather than solving them. Any ideas? Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Tunis, Tunisia (pilot) Orleans, France (aircraft) _______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:52:09 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: KR>I want to build. (KR2S) taildragger Message-ID: <400D1669.000007.03944@Computer> References: <20040117211439.95332.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 6 Dan,=0D =0D KR2S taildragger is cool. I am a KR2 taildragger person, so don't feel as qualified as some of the S people on the net, to address this issue, but since I see that no one has answered, I will give it a shot. =0D =0D You should be able to carry the weight, with a large engine and if you bu= ild it a little wider, or taller, depending on where the weight is distribute= d, you should be OK with being able to fit in the plane. I am 185, 5'9" and Jerry is 190, 6' and we are a tight fit in a standard KR2 with a canopy built to fit. We expect, with the proper attention to weight and balance, that we will be able to fly this plane together as we choose. I only wish= we had a larger engine, but you have that option.=0D =0D If you like the VW, I do, get a type IV, rear drive from GPASC, http://gp= asc com or http://usa.vw-engines.com/ . They have a 2400 rear drive with a PS= RU, that may be perfect for what you want.=0D =0D If you want to land on grass, use 5X5 Clevelands or comparable and a Grov= e or comparable gear. I had a similar set up to that on my first KR and it = was great on grass. =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:59:17 -0000 From: "Mac McConnell-Wood" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Rig Pin Locations? Message-ID: <003901c3df55$5623b220$5006e150@tinypc> References: <3.0.6.32.20040119122141.00817bd0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 Larry, I'm having problems getting a full aileron range of movement. I,m getting a tight 18 degrees up but my inspector wont accept anything less than the full 20(which I make 2 1/4"up and 1 1/2" down- measurement taken at the inboard trailing edge . Are these figures still correct and what figures are other netters getting in practice? Thanks in advance, regards -Mac UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 6:21 PM Subject: KR>Rig Pin Locations? > >KRNetters, > > What did the flying KR's do to rig the control > >surfaces? > >Scott Cable > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 07:45:05 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KRnet Subject: KR>aileron movement Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040120074505.008139d0@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <003901c3df55$5623b220$5006e150@tinypc> References: <3.0.6.32.20040119122141.00817bd0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8 >Larry, I'm having problems getting a full aileron range of movement. I,m >getting a tight 18 degrees up but my inspector wont accept anything less >than the full 20(which I make 2 1/4"up and 1 1/2" down- measurement taken at >the inboard trailing edge . Are these figures still correct and what figures >are other netters getting in practice? Thanks >in advance, regards -Mac UK +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mac, I'd have to check those measurements on the KR. I didn't measure my travel in inches or MM or whatever, I only used the digital level. I do recall that it was a bit of a struggle to get the full range of travel and also have them both reach their center of travel and be at nuetral at the same time. It can be done though and the "SmartLevel" (digital level) took all of the guess work and most of the grunt work out of the process. I seem to recall the I relocated some of my bellcrank holes to achieve the necessary travel. If that becomes necessary and you are near the edge of a bellcrank, add some doubler material to the arm rather than build an entirely new unit. Larry Flesner Carterville, Illinois visit ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:04:11 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Sun & Fun Message-ID: <20040120.102704.1632.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 Yep, Same address. Terry, been meaning to send XXX's to go with OOO's. If you get to SnF, we have the Dinner on Friday, Holiday Inn North, Virg On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:36:40 EST LaRRY5407@aol.com writes: > Hi Virg. Larry and Terry here from SnF and other places. I we saw > your name > in the KR Net and thought we would say hi. Have moved agaig and now > living in > Knoxville, Tn Are you still in Miami. Drop a line to say Hi and > I'll fill you > in. > Larry and Terry > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 07:50:20 -0800 (PST) From: john smith To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>VERY NEW KR-2 FOR SALE Message-ID: <20040120155020.75410.qmail@web21507.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10 My father cannot fly due to medical problems and I must sell his KR. It is currently being auctioned on ebay. All the information is located there. Please check it out, if you have any questions or know someone who is interested they can email me personally at: rilliam@hotmail.com Here is the link to the ebay auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2454445968 OR you can just type KR-2 into the search on ebay and it will be the first one on the list. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:38:48 -0800 From: larry severson To: KRnet Subject: KR>aileron control horn Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040120083605.028fbea8@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <005f01c3d961$ec1cc770$6401a8c0@charlesmidkiff> References: <022d01c3d8c2$98e279a0$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> <40027981.000011.03064@Computer> <024201c3d922$40e87f00$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11 >The net keeps mentioning 2X4 T6061 extrusion. Aviation Spruce has 2.5X4 >version. Is this what is meant. Also, measuring the drawing comes up with >a horn that is 3X2.6 which doesn't fit. What should I do? Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 286, Issue 1 *************************************