From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 290, Issue 2 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... (cgardn628) 2. Re: spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... (Kenneth L Wiltrout) 3. RE: spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... (Doug Rupert) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:18:54 -0500 From: "cgardn628" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... Message-ID: <001701c3e2a6$86905400$6601a8c0@mdgwd52jlrmc3l> References: <20040124040550.93088.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> <121e01c3e29a$bb8a9b90$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Mark, good rebuttal but get back to work on the KR !. I want to see you flying in to the Gathering this year ! in your own KR , I mean... Cheers Chris Gardiner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 11:54 AM Subject: Re: KR>spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... > Scott Cable wrote: > > > Oscar, Joe, and KRNetters, > > Your comments are certainly not appreciated and are certainly offensive... > > Scott, I'm beginning to see a pattern here. Two weeks ago you got all bent > out of shape over a good-natured poke that Pat Panzera took at > engineers, and quit CorAircraft in a huff, despite the fact that > you're just about the > ONLY guy on the list that took the comments as offensive. Then you > ratcheted up your noise level on KRnet by poo-pooing Corvairs, and > automotive conversions in general, in aircraft, which is what 98% of > KRnetters are flying. I knew it would just be a matter of before > you'd be gone from here too (although I see you're still a member, > despite "I'm Outta > Here..." subject line). > > And I had to laugh when you sent me a message the other day about the > viability of using a 6 cylinder Porsche engine with bored out monster-sized > aftermarket VW cylinders, right after your diatribe on the fallacy of using > automotive conversions in aircraft. You've just got to wonder. > > I pretty much just quit posting because despite the fact that I could > have argued all day long about automotive conversions, and several of > the other things that you've had "strong" opinions over, I didn't want > to waste my time doing it. There comes a point when you just ask > yourself "why bother?", and I reached that point about two weeks ago. > > Often when somebody starts trotting out all their engineering > credentials, it's a good sign that their arguments aren't going well, > and they're now relying on diplomas or job titles to add credence to > their position. You had quite a list. I think the way to convince > other list members of your expertise is with well-thought-out advice > that makes sense, and after a while they'll KNOW who the experts are. > > As for the punctuation and capitalization thing, I wish I'd never mentioned > it. I never dreamed that it would get blown so far out of proportion. And > you were the guy that took it to extremes. When I saw that post where > you corrected Mac's spelling, I knew that you'd be gone shortly, so I > didn't even comment. As I mentioned earlier, I can understand the > spelling problems. Some people's email doesn't even include a > spellchecker, or their > spellchecker may be in a whole other language. That's understandable. All > I was asking for was a capital letter at the beginning and a period at the > end. That by itself goes a long way in making a string of words > understandable. I sent it to the list in an effort to make all of the > offenders aware that it was a concern, but I didn't beat anybody over > the head with it! > > Oscar's point was basically that Mac is a flying member of the KR community, > and as such is too valuable to make fun of and run off. We just don't have > many of them that will post to the list. I can't think of a single > soul that OZ has ticked off over the years, but we can now start that > list with you at the top. My guess is that it will remain a short > list. > > The worst thing is that you flamed Mac, but didn't bother to actually ANSWER > his question! I'm sure with your background, you knew that > temperature changes incurred between summer and winter months can > contribute to that (see > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/tirepressure.gif ). > > Some people read messages to see if they can help answer them, and > others looks for things to pick at or get upset about. There are > diplomatic or good-natured ways of getting your point across. Face it > Scott, you're a bit > of a hot-head, despite the fact that you're a talented guy with some > good suggestions and advice, emotionally you really don't have what it > takes to participate in an internet mailing list. I appreciate your > help and advice > to other netters, but you'd be better off lurking. > > Below is a comment I got from a veteran KRnetter this morning, and I > agree wholeheartedly. > > "I don't know how much you've been monitoring the net lately but Scott > Cable is gone. I guess my only comment is he who steps in front of > Mack trucks should not complain about the surgery to remove chrome > bulldog from forehead". > > Well, there goes another perfectly good hour of KR building time down > the drain... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:22:43 -0500 From: Kenneth L Wiltrout To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... Message-ID: <20040124.132243.2328.0.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Well since I work for Mack Trucks Inc at the World Headquarters in Allentown Pa, I can tell you if that Bulldog gets anywhere near your face some serious plastic surgery will be required. As far as Mac goes I met him at the VAEAA 2 yrs ago and he is far from stupid, but is very enthusiastic about flying his KR. I never went farther than high school but I built a KR2S (6399U) that I'm quite proud of, so if I can't spell aronotical enginear I guess I are one. Lets drop this now please!!!!!!! On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:54:27 -0600 "Mark Langford" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... Message-ID: <006f01c3e2b0$2ef4c320$ab04e440@office> In-Reply-To: <001701c3e2a6$86905400$6601a8c0@mdgwd52jlrmc3l> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 I realize that I'm a new member her and as such I might have missed quite a few things but one thing does stand out above all else in this banter and that is people worried about punctuation and unwillingness to "experiment" with new ideas. I have watched with interest the progress = Mark has made and the method in which he has gone about his project. First = let me qualify myself by stating that had it not been for Mark and many other = KR Netters, I would not be here as it was they who piqued my interest in = the KR series of aircraft. As a first time builder, long time experimenter and = high time helicopter/fixed wing pilot my interest was in a high performance, = easy to build, cheap and versatile aircraft to play with and fine tune to my particular flying tastes. I'm sure that is why there are so many of = these aircraft flying or under construction. Next, many of us cannot afford to plop down 100 or 200 thousand dollars on a brand spanking new or even used aircraft for that matter. = Some people need to be reminded from time to time that these aircraft are not classed as experimental just because the powers to be had no where else = to stick them. They also need reminding that the first planes that flew = were powered by automotive engines. And yes, they even need reminding that = the brilliant minds (engineers?) of their day told Wilbur and Orville that = they were nuts. If spelling, grammar, an engineering degree are prerequisites of flying, I do believe that we'd all still be riding trains across the = country and ships across oceans. Anyone who has ever read any of Bob Hoover's posting has to laugh at the absurdity of the connection of grammar and flying ability or engineering abilities. Some of the finest contributors = to our sport were not engineers, they were what people called "dreamers". = If it were not for these dreamers, where would we be? In conclusion I would respectfully submit that anyone that feels the same as Scott should use the delete key or better yet only reply when = they have something of value to contribute. Thank you. CW2 Douglas J. Rupert U.S. Army Retired RR # 2 Simcoe Ontario drupert@sympatico.ca -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On = Behalf Of cgardn628 Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 1:19 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... Mark, good rebuttal but get back to work on the KR !. I want to see you flying in to the Gathering this year ! in your own KR = , I mean... Cheers Chris Gardiner ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 11:54 AM Subject: Re: KR>spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... > Scott Cable wrote: > > > Oscar, Joe, and KRNetters, > > Your comments are certainly not appreciated and are certainly offensive... > > Scott, I'm beginning to see a pattern here. Two weeks ago you got all bent > out of shape over a good-natured poke that Pat Panzera took at = engineers, > and quit CorAircraft in a huff, despite the fact that you're just = about the > ONLY guy on the list that took the comments as offensive. Then you > ratcheted up your noise level on KRnet by poo-pooing Corvairs, and > automotive conversions in general, in aircraft, which is what 98% of > KRnetters are flying. I knew it would just be a matter of before = you'd be > gone from here too (although I see you're still a member, despite "I'm Outta > Here..." subject line). > > And I had to laugh when you sent me a message the other day about the > viability of using a 6 cylinder Porsche engine with bored out monster-sized > aftermarket VW cylinders, right after your diatribe on the fallacy of using > automotive conversions in aircraft. You've just got to wonder. > > I pretty much just quit posting because despite the fact that I could > = have > argued all day long about automotive conversions, and several of the = other > things that you've had "strong" opinions over, I didn't want to waste > = my > time doing it. There comes a point when you just ask yourself "why > bother?", and I reached that point about two weeks ago. > > Often when somebody starts trotting out all their engineering = credentials, > it's a good sign that their arguments aren't going well, and they're = now > relying on diplomas or job titles to add credence to their position. > = You > had quite a list. I think the way to convince other list members of = your > expertise is with well-thought-out advice that makes sense, and after > = a > while they'll KNOW who the experts are. > > As for the punctuation and capitalization thing, I wish I'd never mentioned > it. I never dreamed that it would get blown so far out of proportion. And > you were the guy that took it to extremes. When I saw that post where > = you > corrected Mac's spelling, I knew that you'd be gone shortly, so I = didn't > even comment. As I mentioned earlier, I can understand the spelling > problems. Some people's email doesn't even include a spellchecker, or their > spellchecker may be in a whole other language. That's understandable. All > I was asking for was a capital letter at the beginning and a period at > = the > end. That by itself goes a long way in making a string of words > understandable. I sent it to the list in an effort to make all of the > offenders aware that it was a concern, but I didn't beat anybody over > = the > head with it! > > Oscar's point was basically that Mac is a flying member of the KR community, > and as such is too valuable to make fun of and run off. We just don't have > many of them that will post to the list. I can't think of a single = soul > that OZ has ticked off over the years, but we can now start that list > = with > you at the top. My guess is that it will remain a short list. > > The worst thing is that you flamed Mac, but didn't bother to actually ANSWER > his question! I'm sure with your background, you knew that = temperature > changes incurred between summer and winter months can contribute to = that > (see http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/tirepressure.gif ). > > Some people read messages to see if they can help answer them, and = others > looks for things to pick at or get upset about. There are diplomatic > = or > good-natured ways of getting your point across. Face it Scott, you're > = a bit > of a hot-head, despite the fact that you're a talented guy with some = good > suggestions and advice, emotionally you really don't have what it = takes to > participate in an internet mailing list. I appreciate your help and advice > to other netters, but you'd be better off lurking. > > Below is a comment I got from a veteran KRnetter this morning, and I = agree > wholeheartedly. > > "I don't know how much you've been monitoring the net lately but Scott > Cable is gone. I guess my only comment is he who steps in front of > Mack trucks should not complain about the surgery to remove chrome > bulldog from forehead". > > Well, there goes another perfectly good hour of KR building time down > = the > drain... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _______________________________________ to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 290, Issue 2 *************************************