From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 9:03 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 291, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Everyone stop bickering 2. NOT KR>But very useful info! Sears Craftsman 3. Re: spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... (Phillip Matheson) 4. Re: WAF'S Edge Distance (Phillip Matheson) 5. Re: Any tips for a green-horn in this decision process 6. KR-2S plans for sale (Amy Vorech) 7. Re: spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... (James R Freeman) 8. Canopy and aileron pushrods (Martindale Family) 9. Re: Any tips for a green-horn in this decision process (Brian Kraut) 10. Re: KR vs tin can:-) (James R Freeman) 11. Re: Finished (Phillip Matheson) 12. Remove 13. Re: Mechanical Brakes and tail wheel for sale (kevin) 14. Re: Re: EAA Homebuilts (kevin) 15. RE: Any tips for a green-horn in this decision process (Ron Freiberger) 16. Re: KR-2S plans for sale (John Mau) 17. Re: KR-2S plans for sale (John Mau) 18. Re: Mechanical Brakes and tail wheel for sale 19. Re: KR-2S plans for sale (Amy Vorech) 20. Re: spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... (joe) 21. test 22. Re: spelling, I HOPE THIS WILL END THIS SUBJECT. (Lee) 23. Re: More cockpit lighting. (Brian Kraut) 24. Re: More cockpit lighting. (Dana Overall) 25. Re: Re: EAA Homebuilts (Timothy Bellville) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:02:52 EST From: Aeroeng39@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Everyone stop bickering Message-ID: <181.25d27029.2d44377c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 To "ALL KR NETTERS" There is always someone out there who knows something that we don't. Gaining knowledge to build our birds, make them safer, and improve on there stability, performance and especially safety, is the only thing we "ALL" should be focusing our attention on. Not petty spats over mispelled words or anything else that fits into the "petty" category. Let us all regain the focus and fellowship that has persevered through the truth of our common goal. Drop the bullshit everyone. I believe I speak for several in saying that I only want to read good information that will help me build my bird better and help me make better decisions on the construction of my bird. I don't care if it's misspelled. Only that I understand the idea that was attempting to be conveyed. Please maintain your integrity, morality, and especially our "RESPECT" for each individual idea that pertain to "BUILDING GREAT AND BEAUTIFUL KR2'S". Signed: Peter Sanchez Veteran CW2 Army Aviator Apache Junction AZ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:06:03 EST From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: NOT KR>But very useful info! Sears Craftsman Message-ID: <88.1e36271.2d44383b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 HI ALL, I found this cool web site that Sears has. You can look at illustrated parts lists of just about anything they make. I recently rebuilt my air compressor that my dad bought in 1978. I found all of the parts I need at this site. The web address is: www3.sears.com. Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ. Boeing757mech1@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:38:16 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... Message-ID: <000801c3e2c2$613b12a0$cd96dccb@ralf> References: <20040124040550.93088.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Boy and Girls, Please can we call it all a draw, and end it. And please Scott stay on the net, You all or should I say WE all have the right of free speech, but lets not go over board. I have noticed on many of my postings, and even after I have done a spell check, I was embarrassed when I have read some of the thing I have sent in. We are all not perfect, but please keep up the great KR information network Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and home built Parts and Kits at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:41:48 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>WAF'S Edge Distance Message-ID: <001301c3e2c2$df80d140$cd96dccb@ralf> References: <153.29711760.2d435453@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Dan I agree, after making my WAF's, I was concerned as well, but have not heard of any problems Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and home built Parts and Kits at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:49:55 EST From: LJHusky1@wmconnect.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Any tips for a green-horn in this decision process Message-ID: <143.20b61a16.2d444283@wmconnect.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Can someone tell me when the KR gathering is and where. I am really considering buying a KR or building one and would like to go and see some finished and up close. It is between a KR and a CH601HDS. I like the KR better though. Larry Husky Bentonville, AR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:51:44 -0800 (PST) From: Amy Vorech To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>KR-2S plans for sale Message-ID: <20040124215144.57561.qmail@web12202.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6 I have a set of KR-2S plans from my father's estate. Purchased 1996. Never used. My mother refused to have the plane built in her living room. As far as I can tell they are complete in the original box, however, ask questions as this wasn't my hobby. They cost about $240 now. Anyone interested in these plans? I can email photos. A. Vorech __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:45:56 -0500 From: James R Freeman To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... Message-ID: <109301c3e2c3$7312d520$4b4c3540@HP> References: <20040124040550.93088.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> <000801c3e2c2$613b12a0$cd96dccb@ralf> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 1. We keep on Mark's nerves. And he may do like Dana and build a spam can. 2 . We can all show up at Dana's party, (I read all invited) an duce it out. 3. Or drop it. I vote for #3 Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 4:38 PM Subject: Re: KR>spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... > Boy and Girls, > Please can we call it all a draw, and end it. > And please Scott stay on the net, You all or should I say WE all have > the right of free speech, but lets not go over board. I have noticed > on many of > my postings, and even after I have done a spell check, I was > embarrassed when I have read some of the thing I have sent in. We are > all not perfect, but please keep up the great KR information network > > Phil Matheson > matheson@dodo.com.au > Australia > 61 3 58833588 > See our VW Engines and home built Parts > and Kits at: > http://www.vw-engines.com/ > www.homebuilt-aviation.com > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:55:31 +1100 From: "Martindale Family" To: "KRNET" Subject: KR>Canopy and aileron pushrods Message-ID: <000f01c3e2c4$caff4420$75a0fea9@johnjane> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 8 Folks Several have asked for some photos of my setup. Thanks to Mark Langford = they may be found at the link to my aircraft at www.KRnet.org =20 Thanks Mark The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjane@chc.net.auFrom bo124rs@hotmail.com Sat Jan 24 14:13:33 2004 Received: from bay13-f81.bay13.hotmail.com ([64.4.31.81] helo=hotmail.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AkW21-0001mR-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:13:33 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:03:49 -0800 Received: from 64.12.96.200 by by13fd.bay13.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jan 2004 22:03:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.12.96.200] X-Originating-Email: [bo124rs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bo124rs@hotmail.com From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Bcc: Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:03:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2004 22:03:49.0929 (UTC) FILETIME=[F25F9190:01C3E2C5] Subject: KR>KR vs tin can:-) X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: >From: James R Freeman >> >1. We keep on Mark's nerves. And he may do like Dana and build a spam >can. 2 . We can all show up at Dana's party, (I read all invited) an >duce it out. 3. Or drop it. > I vote for #3 > Hey, why not 3 then 2. Just a little late Fun Friday blurb. Remember, Feb. 28th. my place, keg, hooters..............wings, airplane lies and more lies. I've now solicited two 17 year olds (well one is mine so he got drafted) to act as taxi drivers or designated drivers to hotels for tips (no, "don't bet on #3 in the 4th., he's only got three legs). If anyone sees Melody Mountains, drag her along (boy, is this ever an old KRNet inside joke:-) Short and sweet...........................back into the bunker.....................INCOMING!! Boya, Ima sur wishin I waz smert nough to figer outta thishar spall ckucher thang (sorry, couldn't resist) Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:12:06 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Cc: LJHusky1@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: KR>Any tips for a green-horn in this decision process Message-ID: <16720222.1074982327290.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 Sure can, Mt. Vernon, Il. A recent post from this years host is attached. There is no better place to get info than at the gathering. Don't miss it. LJHusky1@wmconnect.com wrote: Can someone tell me when the KR gathering is and where. I am really considering buying a KR or building one and would like to go and see some finished and up close. It is between a KR and a CH601HDS. I like the KR better though. Larry Husky Bentonville, AR Netters, With a great big THANK YOU to Bob Lee, we now have an offical Gathering web page. Check it out at www.krgathering.org If you book at the Holiday Inn, make sure you tell them you are attending the KR Gathering to get the reduced rate. Please take the time to fill out the "pre-registration" form so we will have advanced info for planning. It was made as easy as possible with most information just requiring a click of the mouse button. This should help to make the Gathering a success and as educational as possible for everyone attending. That also makes for everyone having a GOOD TIME !!! Check back on a regular basis as the site will be continually updated with information on the Gathering schedule as plans are made. Thanks in advance and SEE YOU IN MT.VERNON !!!! Larry Flesner - Host Carterville, Illinois ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:51:29 -0500 From: James R Freeman To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>KR vs tin can:-) Message-ID: <10a501c3e2cc$9b5a0680$4b4c3540@HP> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 Dana: Too many bad stalls in a Bonney. I may be at that one. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" To: Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 5:03 PM Subject: KR>KR vs tin can:-) > >From: James R Freeman > >> > >1. We keep on Mark's nerves. And he may do like Dana and build a spam can. > >2 . We can all show up at Dana's party, (I read all invited) an duce > >it out. 3. Or drop it. > > I vote for #3 > > > > Hey, why not 3 then 2. Just a little late Fun Friday blurb. Remember, Feb. > 28th. my place, keg, hooters..............wings, airplane lies and more > lies. > > I've now solicited two 17 year olds (well one is mine so he got drafted) to > act as taxi drivers or designated drivers to hotels for tips (no, "don't bet > on #3 in the 4th., he's only got three legs). > > > If anyone sees Melody Mountains, drag her along (boy, is this ever an old > KRNet inside joke:-) > > > Short and sweet...........................back into the > bunker.....................INCOMING!! > > > Boya, Ima sur wishin I waz smert nough to figer outta thishar spall ckucher > thang (sorry, couldn't resist) > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit > Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. > http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ > Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed > experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 > > > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:59:51 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Finished Message-ID: <005b01c3e2cf$2106b060$cd96dccb@ralf> References: <003901c3e239$3873eb00$f2452141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 Colin, Great to hear all the best I hope I'll be saying at one day as well Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and home built Parts and Kits at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:35:26 EST From: Rbrts344@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Remove Message-ID: <67.20d681a9.2d445b3e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Please remove my email number from your list. Thanks, geoff<>< ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:57:22 -0500 From: kevin To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Mechanical Brakes and tail wheel for sale Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040124185722.007c67e0@pop3.wcoil.com> In-Reply-To: <146.20fa696b.2d42f616@wmconnect.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13 Hi Tim , What size tailwheel or company ect? I,ll look it up. Thanks KevinAt 05:11 PM 1/23/04 EST, you wrote: >Hello Everyone > >I have the machanical brakes that came with my KR2 kit and the tail wheel >neither has been used If anyone is interested in making me a offer please contact >me off line. > >Thanks Tim >Gettysburg >_______________________________________ >to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 19:00:38 -0500 From: kevin To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Re: EAA Homebuilts Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20040124190038.007d05c0@pop3.wcoil.com> In-Reply-To: <004a01c3e219$81689380$932c4b0c@HPHome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14 Hi Tim ,, Did you find someone to test fly your kr2 yet. I am only 50. miles south of you in bluffton ohio . Let me know , as i need some testing yet also. Thanks KevinAt 08:29 PM 1/23/04 -0500, you wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Timothy Bellville > To: krnet@mylist.net > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 9:39 AM > Subject: EAA Homebuilts > > > For those that would like to see my KR2, go to EAA.org, and look under the centinenial Hombuilts. > There are three KR's so far on this site. > She is only in primer but will be silver when the testing is done. > Tim Bellville > N7038V > Toledo Ohio_______________________________________ >to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 19:31:27 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KRNET" , Subject: RE: KR>Any tips for a green-horn in this decision process Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <143.20b61a16.2d444283@wmconnect.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 Larry, Your choice of CH601 vs KR tells me you might be star-gazing a bit; they are such totally different aircraft. You'll see that most aircraft tend to serve one purpose well. What you need to do is define your purpose. If you're new to flying, wait a bit and get some experience with different types. I had an elderly friend who was an accomplished pilot. He took an hour's instruction every month from a different instructor, if he could find one. He said they were all different, and they all had different approaches to similar things. That's kind of like the KRNET, if you'll just watch and listen. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:34:03 -0700 From: "John Mau" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>KR-2S plans for sale Message-ID: <000a01c3e2da$ef705450$0600a8c0@JOHNH1STH3TGRG> References: <20040124215144.57561.qmail@web12202.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 What are you asking for them? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Vorech" To: Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 2:51 PM Subject: KR>KR-2S plans for sale > I have a set of KR-2S plans from my father's estate. > Purchased 1996. Never used. My mother refused to have > the plane built in her living room. As far as I can > tell they are complete in the original box, however, > ask questions as this wasn't my hobby. They cost about > $240 now. Anyone interested in these plans? I can > email photos. > > A. Vorech > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:47:40 -0700 From: "John Mau" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>KR-2S plans for sale Message-ID: <003701c3e2dc$d627a230$0600a8c0@JOHNH1STH3TGRG> References: <20040124215144.57561.qmail@web12202.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17 How much are you asking? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Vorech" To: Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 2:51 PM Subject: KR>KR-2S plans for sale > I have a set of KR-2S plans from my father's estate. > Purchased 1996. Never used. My mother refused to have > the plane built in her living room. As far as I can > tell they are complete in the original box, however, > ask questions as this wasn't my hobby. They cost about > $240 now. Anyone interested in these plans? I can > email photos. > > A. Vorech > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 20:01:36 EST From: Timboyer2@wmconnect.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Mechanical Brakes and tail wheel for sale Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 I got the tail wheel and brakes with the kit from Rand Robinson I believe its about 3 inchs I have to check the brakes to see who makes them ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:10:40 -0800 (PST) From: Amy Vorech To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>KR-2S plans for sale Message-ID: <20040125011040.85094.qmail@web12207.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <003701c3e2dc$d627a230$0600a8c0@JOHNH1STH3TGRG> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 19 Hi, I'm not sure yet. Mother would like to find the original bill of sale. Less than retail for sure. I will let you know. Thank you for your interest. --- John Mau wrote: > How much are you asking? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amy Vorech" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 2:51 PM > Subject: KR>KR-2S plans for sale > > > > I have a set of KR-2S plans from my father's > estate. > > Purchased 1996. Never used. My mother refused to > have > > the plane built in her living room. As far as I > can > > tell they are complete in the original box, > however, > > ask questions as this wasn't my hobby. They cost > about > > $240 now. Anyone interested in these plans? I can > > email photos. > > > > A. Vorech > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. > Try it! > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > > > > _______________________________________ > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:56:58 -0800 From: "joe" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... Message-ID: <001701c3e2e6$8494b700$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> References: <20040124040550.93088.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 20 Dear Scott; I own plans, am restoring from different editions, adding subsequuent add-ons and am new to KRNet. We appreciate your expert input, especially being from Boeing design group. Please don't let this minor incident push you away from the many appreciative and polite users of this excellent group. And please have a little patience from those of us who on occasion get a little out of line, in your estimation. We will try harder I promise you and the rest of the group. So please please accept my sincere apoligies for any rudeness you may have interpeted from myself. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cable" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 8:05 PM Subject: Re: KR>spelling, punctuation, and Mac-- & I'm Outta Here..... > Oscar, Joe, and KRNetters, > Your comments are certainly not appreciated and are certainly offensive. I have, in fact eaten my share of "Humble Pie" on this one, and you making further comments such as below is likened to rubbing salt into a wound. The majority of the commenters had taken my original comments to Mac, out of context.--Which is the only reason why I apologized to begin with. > > But since you seem to want to open this can of worms, then I feel that I must comment back and for good: > > 1.) Seeing's how Mac has all of this flight test experience, does this somehow exclude him from utilizing the spell checker? Even Mac himself admits that his English is: (and I quote him) "horrible". So if he knows he has a problem, an educated person would compensate by utilizing tools at his easy disposal. Right ? > > 2.) So Oscar, does this mean if you're building, test flying aircraft on a regular basis that everyone on the Net must take time to read, re-read, and decipher someone's hiroglyphic messages? meaning that that person's time is more important than someone else's? > > I think NOT. > > FYI: I work in the Boeing Phantom Work's, on a program with a very, VERY compressed, aggressive schedule. For the last 3 weeks, I've been putting in 64+ hour work-weeks. > Please believe me: I love my work, and truly enjoy the team of talented people that I have the pleasure of working with., as I'm not complaining. > > My point being is this: > Myself and others simply don't have the time in the day to try and decipher someone's mis-spelled, un-punctuated message. In fact, it's inconsiderate, self-serving and rude. > > > I was under the impression when I started my project just over a year ago, that the KRNet was a group dedicated to building and Flying the KR Series aircraft. Frankly, Oscar, if you don't have the courtesy to do a simple thing like utilizing a spell check program before you send an eMail comment, maybe you then should just "FALL OUT". > > The KRNet Administrator, just last week, got flamed for this very same thing. Mark was merely pointing out that these messages reach around the globe, have a little consideration for others right? That's what I got from it, as I wouldn't want to speak for Mark Langford. > > Lately, all I've been spending my time doing is defending or explaining something that was taken completely out of context. This is activity that I actually loathe, as it goes completely against everything I was ever taught---Never explain yourself, your friends already know, and your enemies don't care. > > My profession, and myself personally have been attacked on this Net by Panzera, and others. So because of comments such as below, and the fact that all of this nonsense is only distracting my progress at work, and at home on my aircraft project, I'm removing myself from this list. I have real aircraft to design and build. > > Oscar Zuniga wrote: > Folks; > > After reading through the anguished posts on spelling, punctuation, and the > rest of it, as well as the comment about Mac ("flymaca"), all I ask is the > following. (1) all those among you who don't own a set of plans and manual > for a KR, fall out; (2) of those left standing, if you aren't actively > building an airplane, fall out; (3) of those still standing, if you're not a > licensed and current pilot, fall out; (4) of the remaining ones, if you've > never completed and test-flown a homebuilt aircraft, fall out; (5) the rest > of you still standing, turn and offer the right hand of fellowship to the > very few still around you. Mac is one of them. I am not. Are you? > > Point of the exercise: Mac has built and flown his own homebuilt KR > aircraft, and flies it regularly. That being the case, I not only don't > care if he can spell, punctuate, or speak English, I am darned fortunate to > have his valuable input on this list at all! Most who finish their projects > just move on because they aren't interested in the endless nit-picking and > rabbit trails that these lists take off on. > > > > > Scott Cable > KR-2S # 735 > Wright City, MO > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it!_______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 02:17:24 GMT From: joe_beyer@netzero.net To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>test Message-ID: <20040124.181815.490.1074676@webmail25.nyc.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 21 Hi All Just sending a test, checking the net out. -Joe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 20:28:38 -0700 From: "Lee" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>spelling, I HOPE THIS WILL END THIS SUBJECT. Message-ID: <001c01c3e2f3$53f96750$7401a8c0@D3DF1Y11> References: <20040124040550.93088.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> <001701c3e2e6$8494b700$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 22 (1) all those among you who don't own a set of plans and manual for a KR, fall out. I have 2 sets//// still standing//// (2) of those left standing, if you aren't actively building an airplane, fall out. I am restoring a KR2 built in 86.///still standing/// (3) of those still standing, if you're not a licensed and current pilot, fall out. I fly a Tail dragger every 2 weeks as a licensed pilot.///still standing/// (4) of the remaining ones, if you've never completed and test-flown a homebuilt aircraft, fall out. I have folded and test flown a homebuilt paper airplane but have not test flown a homebuilt aircraft. --must I fall out??? The rest of you still standing, turn and offer the right hand of fellowship to the very few still around you. Mac is one of them. I am not. Are you? Point of the exercise: Mac has built and flown his own homebuilt KR aircraft, and flies it regularly. That being the case, I not only don't care if he can spell, punctuate, or speak English, I am darned fortunate to have his valuable input on this list at all! Most who finish their projects just move on because they aren't interested in the endless nit-picking and rabbit trails that these lists take off on. I DO NOT HAVE THE BEST TYPING SKILLS EITHER, I HOPE PEOPLE LOOK PAST THE LITTLE THINGS AND TAKE THE INFORMATION GIVEN TO THEM WITH A GRAIN OF SALT....I have asked questions of this group and have listen to responses to those questions from this group. Not all may have right answer for me, but I will not criticize the person who hase given an answer that I do not agree with, because the next time they may have the best answer to my question. Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ lee@vandyke5.com http://vandyke5.com/kr2.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:02:53 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>More cockpit lighting. Message-ID: <5780043.1075003373832.JavaMail.root@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 23 While I like my (shameless commercial plug www.engalt.com/aviation.htm ) fiber optic instrument lights for lighting your instruments without glaring off the rest of the panel or putting out to much light and ruining your night vision, the lights Dana pointed out are also a good addition since you can aim them. Lights that you can aim are a big help, especially for looking at charts and finding the pencil you just dropped when you need to write something down. I don't like them in place of instrument lights, but they are a great addition when they are on their own switch for when you need them. I had a halogen aimable light hanging from the top of my turtledeck that was a big help. If I did it again I would still have the instrument lights, but instead of the halogen from the turtledeck I would use one of these http://www.susquehanna.com/susq/hella/mplmp.htm gooseneck lights. They come in a 7" or 12" gooseneck and they work great. We have been using them at work for years for lighting on ship's bridge consoles. They come with a clear or red filter and they have a switch right on the head of the light so you can put them on the same panel switch as your nav and instrument light switch, but still turn it off right at the light when you don't need it on. The link I gave has both the 7 and 12" in either cigarette lighter or permanent mount and there are also a bunch of other places that carry them if you search on hella gooseneck light. Dana Overall wrote: I am still going to install on a temporary basis, the red string lighting under my glareshield. Brian also has those post lights listed with Aircraft Spruce. I just got in two small cockpit lights that I will permanently install as they have a great history of success. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 07:42:00 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>More cockpit lighting. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 24 >From: Brian Kraut I had a halogen aimable light hanging from the top of my turtledeck that was a big help. If I did it again I would still have the instrument lights, but instead of the halogen from the turtledeck I would use one of these http://www.susquehanna.com/susq/hella/mplmp.htm Good looking lights. I used something like that for a while in my Bonanza, as the right side of the panel always seemed a little dark. One issue I had with a setup, where the "head" had all the mass, was the strength of the mechanism holding it out that far from it's base. Seemed to me, the constant vibration of the airplane quickly diminished it's ability to hold the head in the same place so I was always repositioning it. The above light was obviously designed for auto use where the vibration level is much less pronounced. Your post light, or the small swivel light, don't have to deal with this issue. One more thing about these little swivel lights, they remain adjustable after install and don't affect your night vision. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: Brian Kraut _________________________________________________________________ There are now three new levels of MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Learn more. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:53:33 -0500 From: "Timothy Bellville" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Re: EAA Homebuilts Message-ID: <001301c3e363$c4f47b50$8d2c4b0c@HPHome> References: <3.0.6.32.20040124190038.007d05c0@pop3.wcoil.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 25 Hi Kevin, I have a few people that want to give her the once over. I'd like so see your project some time, Bluffton is a nice sunday drive from here. I use to land there all the time when I was a student pilot. tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 7:00 PM Subject: Re: KR>Re: EAA Homebuilts > Hi Tim ,, > > Did you find someone to test fly your kr2 yet. I am only 50. miles south > of you in bluffton ohio . Let me know , as i need some testing yet also. > Thanks KevinAt 08:29 PM 1/23/04 -0500, you wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Timothy Bellville > > To: krnet@mylist.net > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 9:39 AM > > Subject: EAA Homebuilts > > > > > > For those that would like to see my KR2, go to EAA.org, and look under > the centinenial Hombuilts. > > There are three KR's so far on this site. > > She is only in primer but will be silver when the testing is done. > > Tim Bellville > > N7038V > > Toledo Ohio_______________________________________ > >to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 291, Issue 1 *************************************