From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 297, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Aircraft rotary engines (Dana Overall) 2. 2 KR1's for sale, plus a Team Airbike (gpasc) 3. Re: Fun Friday-lost my mind:-) (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 4. Re: Fun Friday-lost my mind:-) (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 5. Re: Rotary engines (Dana Overall) 6. RE: Fun Friday-lost my mind:-) (Serge F. Vidal) 7. RE: Fun Friday-lost my mind:-) (Dana Overall) 8. UV Smooth Prime (Dan Heath) 9. Re: UV Smooth Prime (Kenneth B. Jones) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:57:32 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Aircraft rotary engines Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 >From: larry severson I have heard the horror stories of >engine failure, but they have to be either carburation or ignition. >This >engine does not fail like others do. At worst it loses 20% of its power. > > >Larry Severson Thus using the original injector rail and fuel injectors with a return line to the left tank. As for ignition, the computer control engine system from Tracy for $800+. The 13B would certainly be too heavy for a KR but their are smaller rotary. Some issues would be a reduction drive and "inventing" an intake that works with the pulses generated with the rotary. There are two thougts on radiators: one is to use air conditioner condensors and the other is to use a larger faced/thinner unit to achieve the desired cooling. In my case, these will be neatly tucked away under the 0-360 standard cowling. This is not KR but I have changed the subject line to rotary engines in regard to their application in aircraft. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software — optimizes dial-up to the max! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/plus&ST=1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:55:57 -0500 From: gpasc To: Subject: KR>2 KR1's for sale, plus a Team Airbike Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Hi to all: Sam Bailey called this week and said that he wanted to sell his two KR1's. KR1 with a 2180cc VW with 230 hours. KR1 with a 2276cc VW with 90 hours. He is asking $12,000 each (or best offer). Also has a Team Airbike with a Rotax 447. Contact Sam Bailey (Kansas) at 620 672 7426. He doesn't have email. Linda Bennett ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:17:24 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY To: krnet@mylist.net Cc: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Fun Friday-lost my mind:-) Message-ID: <20040130.193038.2764.3.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Rotory's, Try the ACRE Newsletter list. rotaryengine@earthlink.net Virg On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 07:16:34 -0500 "Dana Overall" writes: > OK, you didn't ask for it...........well some did offline with my > cheapest/easiest statement yesterday. > > Here is the the state of the project > http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg > > Here is what I got via truck line yesterday > http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero2.jpg > > It is a rotary 13B which will produce 180HP+...........I bought it > for $650 > delivered. To rebuild the engine I'll have to buy an aero rebuild > kit, not > auto rebuild, for right at $900. Gear reduction will run $2440 > which will > allow me to run a metal prop for IFR. Computer engine moniter for > aero use, > $875, dual aero designed fuel pumps $95 each and about $500 of extra > parts. > As you can see, cheapest/easiest is coming into play:-) > > For engine/redrive see the following: > > http://www.rotaryaviation.com > http://rotaryresources.com > > Next the issue of engine mount/gear mount to fit my 0-360 > cowling..........hum, I sure don't want to have to tackle > this.........let's > try: > > http://www.conversionconcepts.com/rv-6-7.htm > > Since I already have a new Dynafocal 1 engine mount and match > drilled gear > legs, I posted a message yesterday, .......I sold them last night so > as to > offset the purchase of a new mount. I'll order two new undrilled > gear legs > for $170 each and have them match drilled to the gear attach points > on the > new engine mount. No toe in adjustment as you just put a bolt in > and the > issue is moot. > > Back to the issue of water-cooled and reduction drive. The more I > looked at > the rotary the more bullet proof it appeared. I know that term is > used way > too much but here is my take. The rotary will run at operating RPMs > without > water for somewhere around 1/2 hour before the apex seals around the > rotary > start to come apart. After they come apart, you certainly lose > compression > and a resulting loss of RPMs. However, it still continues to run as > no > metal is rubbing on metal. You won't be able to restart it but it > will > continue to produce minimized horsepower. These things don't > mechanically > break or blow up. With so few moving parts and no jugs to pull or > valves to > lap, maintenance is at a minimum. The redrive unit from Tracy is a > proven > unit. It is a final product and will turn a wood or metal prop. > Sen. makes > a prop for this drive especially for the RV. The engines will > efficiently > and reliably produce 180HP+. > > Someone slap me..............I must be asleep at the wheel making > such a > decison:-) > > OH, KR related.............you can get a rotary to fit:-) > > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit > Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up — fast & reliable Internet access > with prime > features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1 > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:51:27 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY To: krnet@mylist.net Cc: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Fun Friday-lost my mind:-) Message-ID: <20040130.193038.2764.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Single rotor available, Virg On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 9:28:41 -0500 writes: > > > > > > > > OH, KR related.............you can get a rotary to fit:-) > > That's fine, but wouldn't it be a little nose heavy? According to > rotaryaviation's FAQ page the firewall forward weight of the engine > is 345 lbs. Any comment? > > Wolfgang > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:42:45 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Re: Rotary engines Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5 >From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY > > Rotory's, Try the ACRE Newsletter list. >rotaryengine@earthlink.net Virg I hate to sound like the devils advocate but if you want to know about rotary engines go to this list server: http://www.flyrotary.com This is another e mail list for rotary aircraft that was set up several years ago in response to Paul's ego problem (ACRE) for those who are more interested in getting the problems of a rotary conversion solved and into the air than ego trips. Not saying you shouldn't join Paul's group, but be careful in accepting Paul's suggestions some are good but others are dubious. Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up — fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:45:47 +0100 From: "Serge F. Vidal" To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR>Fun Friday-lost my mind:-) Message-ID: <000001c3e7ef$c55d1e40$2c0101c0@ate.com> In-Reply-To: <002a01c3e76e$40d007e0$9e421a45@peter> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 Peter, The reason why rotary engines are out of business almost worldwide is because they pollute much more than conventional engines, and therefore, they could no longer meet the very stringent pollution regulations of the 1990's. Mazda was the only manufacturer giving it a try, and they decided that since it would not pass the tests in most Western countries, they could no longer reach an economical production scale. Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Tunis, Tunisia Peter Johnson wrote: [I got into the rotary about 6 years ago, bought and rebuilt one, and am amazed that there are not more in vehicles and airplanes! I think auto dealers don't like them because of the minimum service required after sales] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 07:09:07 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: RE: KR>Fun Friday-lost my mind:-) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 > >The reason why rotary engines are out of business almost worldwide is >because they pollute much more than conventional engines, and >therefore, they could no longer meet the very stringent pollution >regulations of the 1990's. Mazda was the only manufacturer giving it a >try, and they decided that since >it would not pass the tests in most Western countries, they could no longer >reach an economical production scale. > >Serge Vidal >KR2 ZS-WEC >Tunis, Tunisia > Mazda introduced the new Renesis engine that is now in the new RX-8. I won the award for engine of the year!! Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. http://wine.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 07:34:00 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: KR>UV Smooth Prime Message-ID: <401BA0B8.000009.03728@Computer> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 8 I have applied this stuff for the last time. I have almost removed, almos= t all of it for the last time. Better than 95% of it will end up in my Shop Vac. This stuff creates more pin holes than it fills. I now remember why = I didn't like it when I applied it to the bottom of the plane, over a year = ago =0D =0D I may try an experiment with the remaining stuff by thinning it out so it will flow and see if it does any filling, but other than that, this is wa= y too expensive to send to the trash pile. It took me about an hour to appl= y 16 oz of it and I have over 2 hours in sanding it off. You can't wet sand= it so the dust it terrible.=0D =0D The bottom line for me with UV Smooth prime is a big thumbs down. =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:45:28 -0500 From: "Kenneth B. Jones" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>UV Smooth Prime Message-ID: <009701c3e819$a263c5e0$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> References: <401BA0B8.000009.03728@Computer> Precedence: list Message: 9 Dan, What will you use in it's place? Is there something else you can roll on? If you're spraying, you should thin it anyway. I have used this on my other project and you have to force it into any existing pinholes. If you find something better that can be rolled on, let us know. Ken Jones Sharonville, OH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:34 AM Subject: KR>UV Smooth Prime I have applied this stuff for the last time. ... ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 297, Issue 1 *************************************