From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 311, Issue 2 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Progress report (long)/slips (Brian Kraut) 2. Re: KR Plans (Rick Wilson) 3. Re: Progress report (long)/slips (Dennis Mingear) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:32:17 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Progress report (long)/slips Message-ID: <10983783.1076779940814.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 I never experienced what you described, but I did always have problems coming out of a slip smoothly. It slipped good, but if you just neutralized the controls the plane would do a few weird gyrations before it stabilized again. This was unlike something like a Citabria where you could slip it down to 10' above the runway if you wanted to. I assume that the right combination of backing off the rudder and aileron while applying the correct elevator at the same time would make it come out smoothly. I was doing practice slips at high altitudes and was making sure I came out of them at landings over 100' until I got them down better. Getting good at slips was one of my big goals because dragging the KR in under the glideslope to be sure I could stop before the end of the runway increases the pucker factor quite a bit also. larry flesner wrote: (Written Friday PM - mail server down) Netters, MY KR IS BACK IN THE AIR !!!!!!! Who says Friday the 13th is unlucky? Slips: My first real surprise, and I must admit the first time I've puckered real hard and real quick, was when I tried a couple of slips. Holding about 80mph indicated I kicked some left wing down and right rudder for a side slip. At about 20 degrees wing down and 15+ degrees nose right the nose did a rather quick nose down pitch of about 20 degrees. (or so it felt) It caught me by surprise and I neutralized the controls. It came right out of the slip. I tried it again, not believing what just happened, and it did it again. Expecting it the second time, it felt to me as if at some point the elevator blanked out. Any of you guys flying "standard" KR's ever notice anything like that? I'll check it out further and keep you posted. I'll have to make sure I'm not doing something with the controls to cause it. Everything I've ever heard is that KR's slip like a dream. I'm glad I didn't try my first slip on a landing and close to the ground. It probably wouldn't have been a problem but I'll bet it woud have scared the @#$%^&* out of me! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 10:37:43 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Wilson To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>KR Plans Message-ID: <20040214183743.78272.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040210.101402.4044.2.rhartwig11@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 Dave, Rand-Robinson is impossible(almost) to get in touch with but If you send the money for the plans they will send them to you in a week or two. Rick Wilson. --- rhartwig11@juno.com wrote: > Dave, > I ordered KR2S plans by mail from Rand-Robinson last > month. They arrived > two weeks later. You can get the prices and snail > mail address from > their website: http://www.fly-kr.com/ > > >does anyone have a spare set of plans and manual > they want to sell (in > good shape) trying > >to get a hold of rand is > impossible!!!!_______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ===== rwdw2002@yahoo.com Rickey Wilson, Haleyville, Alabama __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:09:27 -0800 (PST) From: Dennis Mingear To: Brian Kraut , KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Progress report (long)/slips Message-ID: <20040214190927.46587.qmail@web12602.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <10983783.1076779940814.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3 I've read that the KR could use a little more vettical surface. Could this be one of the reasons that it does not come out of a slip crisply. Denny ... Brian Kraut wrote: I never experienced what you described, but I did always have problems coming out of a slip smoothly. It slipped good, but if you just neutralized the controls the plane would do a few weird gyrations before it stabilized again. This was unlike something like a Citabria where you could slip it down to 10' above the runway if you wanted to. I assume that the right combination of backing off the rudder and aileron while applying the correct elevator at the same time would make it come out smoothly. I was doing practice slips at high altitudes and was making sure I came out of them at landings over 100' until I got them down better. Getting good at slips was one of my big goals because dragging the KR in under the glideslope to be sure I could stop before the end of the runway increases the pucker factor quite a bit also. larry flesner wrote: (Written Friday PM - mail server down) Netters, MY KR IS BACK IN THE AIR !!!!!!! Who says Friday the 13th is unlucky? Slips: My first real surprise, and I must admit the first time I've puckered real hard and real quick, was when I tried a couple of slips. Holding about 80mph indicated I kicked some left wing down and right rudder for a side slip. At about 20 degrees wing down and 15+ degrees nose right the nose did a rather quick nose down pitch of about 20 degrees. (or so it felt) It caught me by surprise and I neutralized the controls. It came right out of the slip. I tried it again, not believing what just happened, and it did it again. Expecting it the second time, it felt to me as if at some point the elevator blanked out. Any of you guys flying "standard" KR's ever notice anything like that? I'll check it out further and keep you posted. I'll have to make sure I'm not doing something with the controls to cause it. Everything I've ever heard is that KR's slip like a dream. I'm glad I didn't try my first slip on a landing and close to the ground. It probably wouldn't have been a problem but I'll bet it woud have scared the @#$%^&* out of me! _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing onlineFrom dennismingear@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 11:18:30 2004 Received: from web12606.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.173.229]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1As5J8-000Hz0-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:18:30 -0800 Message-ID: <20040214190944.79072.qmail@web12606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.4.74.165] by web12606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:09:44 PST Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:09:44 -0800 (PST) From: Dennis Mingear Subject: Re: KR>Progress report (long)/slips To: Brian Kraut , KRnet In-Reply-To: <10983783.1076779940814.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I've read that the KR could use a little more vertical surface. Could this be one of the reasons that it does not come out of a slip crisply. Denny ... Brian Kraut wrote: I never experienced what you described, but I did always have problems coming out of a slip smoothly. It slipped good, but if you just neutralized the controls the plane would do a few weird gyrations before it stabilized again. This was unlike something like a Citabria where you could slip it down to 10' above the runway if you wanted to. I assume that the right combination of backing off the rudder and aileron while applying the correct elevator at the same time would make it come out smoothly. I was doing practice slips at high altitudes and was making sure I came out of them at landings over 100' until I got them down better. Getting good at slips was one of my big goals because dragging the KR in under the glideslope to be sure I could stop before the end of the runway increases the pucker factor quite a bit also. larry flesner wrote: (Written Friday PM - mail server down) Netters, MY KR IS BACK IN THE AIR !!!!!!! Who says Friday the 13th is unlucky? Slips: My first real surprise, and I must admit the first time I've puckered real hard and real quick, was when I tried a couple of slips. Holding about 80mph indicated I kicked some left wing down and right rudder for a side slip. At about 20 degrees wing down and 15+ degrees nose right the nose did a rather quick nose down pitch of about 20 degrees. (or so it felt) It caught me by surprise and I neutralized the controls. It came right out of the slip. I tried it again, not believing what just happened, and it did it again. Expecting it the second time, it felt to me as if at some point the elevator blanked out. Any of you guys flying "standard" KR's ever notice anything like that? I'll check it out further and keep you posted. I'll have to make sure I'm not doing something with the controls to cause it. Everything I've ever heard is that KR's slip like a dream. I'm glad I didn't try my first slip on a landing and close to the ground. It probably wouldn't have been a problem but I'll bet it woud have scared the @#$%^&* out of me! _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 311, Issue 2 *************************************