From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 11:05 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 314, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. glider/motor glider/regular single engined airplane. (Harold Woods) 2. Re: Fw: Pitch down in slips (Dean Cooper) 3. convert ti tri gear 4. Re: convert ti tri gear (Dan Heath) 5. Ameri-King AK350 (Kenneth L Wiltrout) 6. Engine drawings (Off topic) (Brian Kraut) 7. Stromberg Carburator (Jack Cooper) 8. Re: Fw: Pitch down in slips (Lee) 9. Slips (Martindale Family) 10. slipping the KR (Oscar Zuniga) 11. 4x2x1/8 aluminum extrusion (larry severson) 12. BRS (joe) 13. Re: 4x2x1/8 aluminum extrusion (Kenneth L Wiltrout) 14. Re: BRS (Scooter) 15. RE: 4x2x1/8 aluminum extrusion (Wood, Sidney M.) 16. Re: BRS (Kenneth L Wiltrout) 17. Re: BRS (Scooter) 18. RE: BRS (Jack Cooper) 19. Re: Ameri-King AK350 20. Snap-On wrench Sets ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:04:07 -0500 From: "Harold Woods" To: Subject: KR>glider/motor glider/regular single engined airplane. Message-ID: <017201c3f4e1$2e583ee0$1a997018@HAROLD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Hi Netters. The linc that was sent about gliders etc seemed to be defining each. There was nothing about the liscence requirements for each. If you are going to have glider pilots liscence then you will have a medical of a particular level. If you are going to have Private Pilots liscence then again you must have a medical but at a different level. I do not believe that a glider liscence covers the use of a motor glider but a private Pilots Liscence does. I do not know about the rules for a Recreational Pilots Liscence nor how far it covers.Someone else may shed some light on exactly who can fly a motor glider. I think that they wou;ld be fun. I hold a Private Liscence , with land, ski and wheels and for sea, float endorsements. I also hold a Glider Liscence. I believe that I can fly a motor glider legally. If I should fly a a motor glider without being "checked out" am I legal. If I then fly it on 5 occasions (alone) am I qualified to take a passenger? Am I now legal because I proved that I survived this length of time? I suggest that if you want to build and fly a KR type motor glider find our before you start what kind of liscences are required. Harold Woods Orillia,ON Canada. haroldwoods@rogers.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 2/3/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:41:38 -0500 From: "Dean Cooper" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Fw: Pitch down in slips Message-ID: <001601c3f4e6$6c51c720$0502a8c0@office> References: <00c301c3f4a0$cde3d0f0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 I wonder if the same would happen if you were already in a nose down configuration as when your on final. I look forward to additional feedback from Larry. Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL Email me at dean_cooper@bellsouth.net See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 10:23 AM Subject: KR>Fw: Pitch down in slips See message below from Miles Humphrey... ----- Original Message ----- From: Miles Humphrey Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 10:38 PM Subject: Pitch down in slips Mark I would like to tell you about something I heard about the pitch down in a slip. I went to talk to a person whose name I have misplaced, but he is the owner of Sky King Aviation at Chandler Field in Mesa, AZ, and is an instructor, flies anything multi-engine, jet, Bonanza, RV, Lancair, and many others and says the most interesting, most fun and neatest of them all is the KR!!!!. BUT--he was ferrying one to Maryland, packed in with his Father, when, in cruise, he noticed the ball over to one side, so he applied right rudder, the ball went to the corner, he pressed harder on the rudder and the plane pitched down so violently that he hit his head on the canopy-the more rudder, the worse it became. Not knowing what was happening, he let go of all controls and the plane recovered immediately, and in so doing noticed that his foot had slipped over on the LEFT rudder pedal on the pasenger side, so he was pressing left when he wanted to use right and thought he WAS using right. His explanation was that in cruise the KR is trying to fly tail high and the HS is therefore holding the tail down , but when he swung the plane sideways, the HS must have gotten blanked out so that it was no longer holding the tail down so up it went! And he is pretty sure of his diagnosis. If this had happened at a low altitude, he would have bought the farm. So a slip, at least a strong one , could be dangerous on approach, since Larry is experiencing exactly the same thing. The two descriptions of the circumstances and the plane's reaction are strikingly similar. If you would like to talk to this man about it he said he knew Lee Van Dyke of Mesa and that might be a way to contact him. I apologise for bothering you directly but I think this could be important. This thing Dana has started might even evolve into a sort of regional EAA Convention- and he's just the guy that can handle it! Miles Humphrey_______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:56:56 EST From: Air2steve@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>convert ti tri gear Message-ID: <63.282b1425.2d62b2c8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Where can I find info to convert to tri gear? I purchased my S in boat stage and am just starting the adventure. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:01:23 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: Re: KR>convert ti tri gear Message-ID: <403159D3.000001.03440@Computer> References: <63.282b1425.2d62b2c8@aol.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 Go to krnet.org and search the archives. =0D =0D See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From flesner@midwest.net Mon Feb 16 17:02:25 2004 Received: from capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.180]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Astd3-0001Nu-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:02:25 -0800 Received: from dsc05-cir-oh-204-32-77-159.rasserver.net ([204.32.77.159] helo=larry-flesner) by capitol.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AstUa-0002tr-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:53:41 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040216185221.007c4320@pop.midwest.net> X-Sender: flesner@pop.midwest.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 18:52:21 -0600 To: KRnet From: larry flesner In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040216070921.007ee100@pop.midwest.net> References: <005501c3f466$3e5c8c40$75a0fea9@johnjane> <3.0.6.32.20040214075246.007a9ea0@pop.midwest.net> <3.0.6.32.20040215073139.007ab910@pop.midwest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: KR>speed brake X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Netters, I got in 2.5 hours of flying on the KR today and WHAT A BLAST!!! I did a few climb checks but I'll need to re-run them again and I'll post some speed and FPM rates. The only one I'm comfortable with right now is at 95 indicated I was getting right at 1000 fpm. It took 1min and 4 sec to climb from 1500 to 2500. I had the airspeed pretty much nailed on that run. (Most of these numbers where with the following conditions: AC empty wt. 765 pounds pilot 200 fuel 15 -20 gal on board {90 to 120 pounds} temp 0 degrees C altimiter 30.46) As for the air brake. I made two decents from 2500 to 2000 feet. I started about 200 feet high and was stabilized when passing through 2500 feet with the power at idle both times. Using a stop watch it took 48 seconds to decend the 500 feet with the speed brake full up for a rate of 625 fpm. Not bad for a heavy KR with standard wings and a 4" tip instead of an 8" tip, and a 60" prop at idle speed. Same thing with the speed brake at near 90 degrees and that time the 500 foot decent took only 31 seconds for a rate of 970 fpm. My speed brake is 9" X 30", lowers to near 90 degrees, and is lined with 3/4" or 1" holes. It is mounted to the floor just behind the aft spar. There is a slight airframe buffeting when deployed but there seems to be no effect on controlability. I think it helps to kill the float in the flare also but I can't prove that because I've never landed without the brake being full down. When deploying the brake I get a noticable decrease in air speed of about 10 mph, I feel the need to add a bit of power, and the nose is pitched down a bit for a good over-the-nose visibility. I'm able to carry a touch of power down to very near the flare and it seems to help stabilize the approach. Bottom line, I'd hate to be without it. It makes the handling mirror the Tripacer when doing a no flaps landing or a full flaps and touch of power landing. I still can't get over how smoothly the KR flares, hovers above the runway and then just kisses the pavement. IT'S AWSOME!! I even managed to get in a couple of 170mph close in passes at about 100 feet for the boys at an out of the way airport. A 20 degree bank and modest pull up as I passed the hangars had them grinning from ear to ear. I also borrowed a remote sensing tach while I was there and it turns out my tach is about 40 to 70 rpm low between 2300 and 2500. I'm actually getting 2570 in cruise (full throttle) when the tach indicates 2500 and 2340 at 90mph on climbout when the tach reads 2300. I'll try to post some more accurate numbers with further tests. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:15:51 -0500 From: Kenneth L Wiltrout To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Ameri-King AK350 Message-ID: <20040216.211551.2216.3.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Anybody know how to adjust this encoder??? It reads 200' lower than I actually am. It does have an adjustment screw, I just don't know which way to turn it, and how much. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:35:45 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Brian Kraut To: rv-list@matronics.com Cc: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Engine drawings (Off topic) Message-ID: <20157535.1076985345794.JavaMail.root@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 Can anyone tell me where I can get some CAD drawings of popular aircraft engines? I am working on a design for a 4 place aircraft and I need some engine drawings for my initial shape and sizing drawings. I would prefer 3D cad drawings, but I have not been able to find and dimensioned drawings at all yet so I will take whatever I can get for right now. I am in particular looking for a TSIO-550 as a maximum size engine, but would like an O-360 and O-320 also. Brian Kraut engalt@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:28:58 -0500 From: "Jack Cooper" To: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" , "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Stromberg Carburator Message-ID: <412-22004221742858625@earthlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_94915C5ABAF209EF376268C8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_94915C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII There is a stromberg carb NA-S3b carburetor on ebay item #2225839249 on ebay. Says it is from a Continental A-652225839249 Jack Cooper kr2cooper@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------=_NextPart_94915C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 22:59:19 -0700 From: "Lee" To: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR>Fw: Pitch down in slips Message-ID: <000901c3f51b$2f2ff4e0$6601a8c0@D3DF1Y11> References: <00c301c3f4a0$cde3d0f0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Yes Miles he told me this story also. I am going out to Chandler Airport on Wednesday, I will inquire about the name of this person, I want to say his name was Butch??? More to follow Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ lee@vandyke5.com http://vandyke5.com/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 8:23 AM Subject: KR>Fw: Pitch down in slips See message below from Miles Humphrey... ----- Original Message ----- From: Miles Humphrey Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 10:38 PM Subject: Pitch down in slips Mark I would like to tell you about something I heard about the pitch down in a slip. I went to talk to a person whose name I have misplaced, but he is the owner of Sky King Aviation at Chandler Field in Mesa, AZ, and is an instructor, flies anything multi-engine, jet, Bonanza, RV, Lancair, and many others and says the most interesting, most fun and neatest of them all is the KR!!!!. BUT--he was ferrying one to Maryland, packed in with his Father, when, in cruise, he noticed the ball over to one side, so he applied right rudder, the ball went to the corner, he pressed harder on the rudder and the plane pitched down so violently that he hit his head on the canopy-the more rudder, the worse it became. Not knowing what was happening, he let go of all controls and the plane recovered immediately, and in so doing noticed that his foot had slipped over on the LEFT rudder pedal on the pasenger side, so he was pressing left when he wanted to use right and thought he WAS using right. His explanation was that in cruise the KR is trying to fly tail high and the HS is therefore holding the tail down , but when he swung the plane sideways, the HS must have gotten blanked out so that it was no longer holding the tail down so up it went! And he is pretty sure of his diagnosis. If this had happened at a low altitude, he would have bought the farm. So a slip, at least a strong one , could be dangerous on approach, since Larry is experiencing exactly the same thing. The two descriptions of the circumstances and the plane's reaction are strikingly similar. If you would like to talk to this man about it he said he knew Lee Van Dyke of Mesa and that might be a way to contact him. I apologise for bothering you directly but I think this could be important. This thing Dana has started might even evolve into a sort of regional EAA Convention- and he's just the guy that can handle it! Miles Humphrey_______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:40:47 +1100 From: "Martindale Family" To: "KRNET" Subject: KR>Slips Message-ID: <000301c3f546$c44b7060$75a0fea9@johnjane> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 9 Hi again Larry Yep, I understand well about the big smile and the immediate IAS = conversion. Re: the nose down pitch in the slip remember that stall speed will = increase in a slip and that you always need to drop the nose to reduce = AoA to prevent it. Stall spins on approach using side slip are a major = cause of accidents in Tiger Moths. See Ya The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA phone: 61 2 66584767 email: johnjane@chc.net.auFrom askies@microlink.zm Tue Feb 17 03:41:49 2004 Received: from mail.microlink.zm ([193.220.20.35]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1At3bm-000B8U-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 03:41:48 -0800 Received: from homedesktop (accessrv.microlink.zm [193.220.20.66] (may be forged)) by mail.microlink.zm (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i1HB8p214111 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:08:52 GMT From: "Stephen Jacobs" To: "'KRnet'" Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:34:04 +0200 Message-ID: <000401c3f549$f6036060$c164a8c0@homedesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20040216185221.007c4320@pop.midwest.net> Subject: KR>Larry's Lady X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Hey Larry Congrats with your new lady - wish you good luck and all the good hours you can find the time for. I may be confusing two airplanes (two guys) here? My first knowledge of your bird came via a link of Mark Langfords site - a bird called N211LF with ver nice gull wing doors (door?) and a really neat cowl line. On this site there are pictures of her first flight. In your recent flight report your words - "still can't get over how smoothly the KR flares" suggests that this may have been your first KR experience. Did you rebuild something or have a mishap? I am trying to find the correct balance (of mods) for my venture - your airplane seems to be in the direction that I am headed - please put me straight on a few things. Is the 24" stretch over the 2 or 2S? I note that you have Aerodynamic balance area on the elevator and rudder - did you add weight as well for static balance? Did you change the HS in any other way? What did you do regarding the fuse width? You talk of a 4" tip instead of an 8" tip - not sure what this means but it does appear to be relevant to the performance? Can you say anything encouraging about your empty weight - I tried to peek through the canopy on one of the pictures - hoping to see if the panel reveals lots of heavy goodies. Everything else looks pretty standard, where did another 245lb come from. I know that weight tends to accumulate as we go along - I ask the question because you may know exactly where most of it came in. If you built another - could you (would you) make it lighter? Reason for asking Larry - I figured that 230lbs over the plans weight of a 2S should be enough to accommodate my changes, so I targeted 750lb empty with an 0-320 and some IF capability, possibly even a training wheel out front. Maybe I need to learn from you that this is not a realistic target I plan to use the 18% AS airfoil section for a deeper (stronger) spar so we can get back to +6G at 1450lb MAUW). The right time to consider changes to the wing area would be now. >From your comment you are using the RAF48 - on the pics it looks like you have flat plate tail feathers? Do you feel the need for a header tank with the 0-200? Your test flying is at 765+200+100 = approx. 1065lbs - I expect she must be very nice at that weight with the longer tail moment and enough grunt to climb out at the cruising speed of C150 and still see 1000fpm - not too shabby Mr. Flesner. I don't have HP curves handy for your engine, but I suspect that 2570 is providing something less than 80%. I did not pick up an altitude, but at 0 degrees C you are not giving away much (anything) to DA. That 0-200 has a lot more to give when you let her spool up to 2700. You are doing the right thing to first figure out if this will require a top overhaul, then consider a re-pitch. I really like the looks of the one in the pictures I have seen - chubby wheels and all, but some wheel /brake fairings will obviously make big difference. I am still worried about the under carriage configuration - I have very little tail dragger time - 0:35 on a Tiger Moth 27 years ago - Ok I have no tail wheel time. How much tail wheel time did you have to start with - what is your advice on this? I will appreciate any time you have to talk about the above and any changes you have made. Kind regards Steve Zambia - Africa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:44:34 -0600 From: "Oscar Zuniga" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>slipping the KR Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10 Netters; the following is in response to Larry Flesner's experience in slipping his KR, where he noted some dipping or dropping in the slip. The writer is Jeff Scott, KR-2S builder/pilot from Los Alamos, NM (not on KRNet but sometimes reads the "live" list online: ========================== I haven't seen any KRNet stuff since Wednesday of last week. However, the description [of Larry's experience] is an exact description of how my KR slips. I've experimented with this as recently as about an hour ago. (hard slip from 8500' to 7200' on approach to Los Alamos) :o) Larry is exactly correct in that one side of the elevator get's blanked, so it destabilizes the plane causing the nose to bob up and down during the slip. This is an airplane that already lacks pitch stability due to the small size of the horizontal stab, so blanking one side will make the nose oscillate up and down during a hard slip. I have tried holding the controls steady and have tried chasing it during the slip. I can usually anticipate the bobbing nose, but have never done a long slip without it doing that routine as it will not stabilize. However, it doesn't bob up and down enough that I would consider it to be dangerous. Just enough to be annoying as you can't hold a steady approach speed with the nose oscillating up and down. I did try this with the gap seals on as well. There was no difference other than that the ailerons were extremely heavy due to the mylar film pulling up tight against the bottom of the ailerons. During the gap seal testing, I noted no changes in the plane what-so-ever other than the heavy ailerons. My conclusion was that the full span hinges did a fine job of sealing off any air flow that would normally blow up through the joint in most planes. Adding the mylar film over the aileron gaps caused the mylar to pull up tight against the bottom of the ailerons causing them to be extremely heavy. I've seen many times on the KRNet where people have talked about how nicely their KRs slip. I figure that's because it does slip reasonable well, although less stable, as compared to the average Piper or Cessna. As compared to the older planes like the Champs, Cubs, T-carts, etc, the KR is lousy in a slip. I chalk those up to pilot experience, although someone would be sure to argue that point. Knowing Larry, he is probably giving the plane a thorough wring out in the air and is being honest about how it handles. You know I do the same. ================ Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX _________________________________________________________________ Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:13:38 -0800 From: larry severson To: KRnet Subject: KR>4x2x1/8 aluminum extrusion Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040217091224.00b4a558@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <00a501c3e08b$45027210$6401a8c0@charlesmidkiff> References: <20040121235330.83650.qmail@web40812.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11 Where can I get the extrusion needed for the aileron hinge? AS does not carry it. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:19:49 -0800 From: "joe" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>BRS Message-ID: <002401c3f57a$3fa37cc0$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 12 Came across a KR2 BRS for sale. Can anyone tell me anything about a KR2 with a BRS. Did anyone ever use one? Does anyone = have one mounted? Where would u mount one and what effect does it have = on flight charasterics?From c.midkiff@verizon.net Tue Feb 17 09:52:41 2004 Received: from out009pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.131] helo=out009.verizon.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)id 1At9Oj-000HTf-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:52:41 -0800 Received: from charlesmidkiff ([4.41.50.164]) by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040217174401.EXBQ11926.out009.verizon.net@charlesmidkiff> for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:44:01 -0600 Message-ID: <002e01c3f57d$9f20cd30$6401a8c0@charlesmidkiff> From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" To: "KRnet" References: <20040121235330.83650.qmail@web40812.mail.yahoo.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20040217091224.00b4a558@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Subject: Re: KR>4x2x1/8 aluminum extrusion Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:43:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [4.41.50.164] at Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:43:58 -0600 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KRnet List-Id: KRnet List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: You might check with Palmer Machine. He has most of this type material made up. Bud Midkiff Lynnwood, WA http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/klppl1.jpg ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry severson" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:13 AM Subject: KR>4x2x1/8 aluminum extrusion > Where can I get the extrusion needed for the aileron hinge? AS does > not carry it. > > > > Larry Severson > Fountain Valley, CA 92708 > (714) 968-9852 > larry2@socal.rr.com > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:44:35 -0500 From: Kenneth L Wiltrout To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>4x2x1/8 aluminum extrusion Message-ID: <20040217.124435.2396.1.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Wicks 1-800-221-9425 had extruded hinges when I needed them, they were $40.00 per 6 ft at that time-------------------5 yrs ago. Happy hunting. On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:13:38 -0800 larry severson writes: > Where can I get the extrusion needed for the aileron hinge? AS does > not > carry it. > > > > Larry Severson > Fountain Valley, CA 92708 > (714) 968-9852 > larry2@socal.rr.com > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:52:46 -0500 From: Scooter To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>BRS Message-ID: <403254EE.1050301@ctc.net> In-Reply-To: <002401c3f57a$3fa37cc0$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> References: <002401c3f57a$3fa37cc0$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 I've thought about a BRS, but I haven't started building yet, so take it for what it is worth. The 2 places I have thought of installing are in front of the instrument panel (assuming you are not using a header tank) or right behind the seats. Wherever you mount it you must make sure there is a place in the top of the plane where it can fire the parachute out. It also needs to be near the center of gravity for 2 reasons. One, the BRS units are pretty heavy (32 to 39 lbs) and will throw off weight and balance pretty easy. Second, there are straps that need to go around the structure of the plane which need to keep it pretty close to upright. Whatever position the plane is in when it is held up by the straps is the position you will land (crash?) in. I haven't done any math on it, but the TLAR method tells me I'd want the straps going from in front of the front spars, crossing under the plane and going aft of the aft spar. Having said all that, you need to look at the models to see what (if any) would work for you. The maximum deployment speed is pretty low for the 1200 and 1500 units. The 1350 unit looks better, but I hate it when the price isn't listed, it usually means I can't afford it ;). See http://brsparachutes.com/PI_prices.mgi for models and prices Scott Raleigh, NC joe wrote: >Came across a KR2 BRS for sale. Can anyone tell me >anything about a KR2 with a BRS. Did anyone ever use one? Does anyone >have one mounted? Where would u mount one and what effect does it have on flight charasterics?_______________________________________ >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:03:49 -0500 From: "Wood, Sidney M." To: "KRnet" Subject: RE: KR>4x2x1/8 aluminum extrusion Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 15 Larry,=20 Try bolting a 2x2x1/8 aluminum angle to a 2x4x1/8 sheet with (4) AN3 = bolts through the aileron spar. Be sure to use big fender washers so = you don't crush the lumber. The bolts at the top nearest the hinge can = use the hinge as a washer. Run some epoxy through the lumber holes = using a pipe cleaner to seal the lumber against dry rot. Sid Wood, KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD sidney.wood@titan.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+smwood=3Dtitan.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+smwood=3Dtitan.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of larry severson Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 12:14 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR>4x2x1/8 aluminum extrusion Where can I get the extrusion needed for the aileron hinge? AS does not=20 carry it. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com=20 _______________________________________ to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:07:07 -0500 From: Kenneth L Wiltrout To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>BRS Message-ID: <20040217.130708.2396.3.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 The KR line doesn't lend itself well to extra weight, not to mention the fact that room is really at a premium in these little birds. Before 6399u left the earth 4 yrs ago I thought about installing one myself but after looking at the weight, and mine as well I decided to forgo the chute. If u got the room to install it and can afford the weight by all means do it, I would have. On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:52:46 -0500 Scooter writes: > I've thought about a BRS, but I haven't started building yet, so take > it > for what it is worth. > > The 2 places I have thought of installing are in front of the > instrument > panel (assuming you are not using a header tank) or right behind the > > seats. Wherever you mount it you must make sure there is a place in > the > top of the plane where it can fire the parachute out. It also needs > to > be near the center of gravity for 2 reasons. One, the BRS units are > > pretty heavy (32 to 39 lbs) and will throw off weight and balance > pretty > easy. Second, there are straps that need to go around the structure > of > the plane which need to keep it pretty close to upright. Whatever > position the plane is in when it is held up by the straps is the > position you will land (crash?) in. I haven't done any math on it, > but > the TLAR method tells me I'd want the straps going from in front of > the > front spars, crossing under the plane and going aft of the aft > spar. > > Having said all that, you need to look at the models to see what (if > > any) would work for you. The maximum deployment speed is pretty low > for > the 1200 and 1500 units. The 1350 unit looks better, but I hate it > when > the price isn't listed, it usually means I can't afford it ;). > > See http://brsparachutes.com/PI_prices.mgi for models and prices > > Scott > Raleigh, NC > > > joe wrote: > > >Came across a KR2 BRS for sale. Can anyone tell me > >anything about a KR2 with a BRS. Did anyone ever use one? Does > anyone have one mounted? Where would u mount one and what effect > does it have on flight > charasterics?_______________________________________ > >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:18:05 -0500 From: Scooter To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>BRS Message-ID: <40325ADD.1020600@ctc.net> In-Reply-To: <403254EE.1050301@ctc.net> References: <002401c3f57a$3fa37cc0$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> <403254EE.1050301@ctc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17 Looks like I might have been off on my mounting ideas... the link below makes it look like it will mount on the bottom of the plane. http://brsparachutes.com/TI_drawingcategories.mgi?drawingcategory=Sample+Drawings&title=Canister%2C+Internal+Mount+Example If the above link doesn't work, use the Alternate link Scott Raleigh, NC Scooter wrote: > I've thought about a BRS, but I haven't started building yet, so take > it for what it is worth. > > The 2 places I have thought of installing are in front of the > instrument panel (assuming you are not using a header tank) or right > behind the seats. Wherever you mount it you must make sure there is a > place in the top of the plane where it can fire the parachute out. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:27:18 -0500 From: "Jack Cooper" To: "KRnet" Subject: RE: KR>BRS Message-ID: <410-220042217182718406@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 18 Joe I don't know if don Reid is still on the net or not but I know he was planning on using a BRS, and if anyone would know about mounting one he would. http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: joe > To: KRnet > Date: 2/17/2004 12:26:49 PM > Subject: KR>BRS > > Came across a KR2 BRS for sale. Can anyone tell me > anything about a KR2 with a BRS. Did anyone ever use one? Does anyone have one mounted? Where would u mount one and what effect does it have on flight charasterics?_______________________________________ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:48:16 EST From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Ameri-King AK350 Message-ID: <159.2dea8beb.2d63bbf0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 19 Be careful! Some encoders send uncorrected barometric pressure and ATC puts the correction in automaticallyto what ever the local barro is at that time. I might be able to find out at work if we have access to the books. Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:55:54 EST From: Boeing757mech1@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: kR>Snap-On wrench Sets Message-ID: <166.2ba81be5.2d63bdba@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 20 Hi All, I have some Snap-On wrench sets on ebay if anyone is interested in some tools. Item number 2380405529 Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 314, Issue 1 *************************************