From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 105 Date: 3/15/2005 1:53:12 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Seat position (Stephen Jacobs) 2. R?f. : KR> Any Oregon KR's out there (Serge VIDAL) 3. Re: Seat position (Dan Heath) 4. RE: Seat position (Stephen Jacobs) 5. Re: Seat position (patrusso) 6. Re: Dual Controls (was seat possition) (Barry Kruyssen) 7. Re: Seat position, rudder pedals (Mark Langford) 8. Re: handheld GPS (was Kr cost) (Jim Sellars) 9. handheld GPS (was Kr cost) (Oscar Zuniga) 10. Any Oregon KR's out there (Oscar Zuniga) 11. Rudder pedals (Colin & Bev Rainey) 12. Re: KR2S plans (Dennis Mingear) 13. RE: Seat position, rudder pedals (Stephen Jacobs) 14. Re: Seat position, rudder pedals (JAMES C FERRIS) 15. Re: Dual Controls (was seat possition) (larry severson) 16. R?f. : Re: KR> Dual Controls (was seat possition) (Serge VIDAL) 17. Re: Any Oregon KR's out there (Louis Staalberg) 18. Re: Seat position, rudder pedals (Mark Langford) 19. RE: Any Oregon KR's out there (Mark Jones) 20. GPS (larry flesner) 21. RE: Seat position, rudder pedals (Doug Rupert) 22. Re: Dual Controls (was seat possition) (Allen Wiesner ) 23. Re: Dual Controls (was seat possition) (Dan Heath) 24. Re: Any Oregon KR's out there (Orma) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:03:57 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: KR> Seat position To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <003b01c52924$cb4deb50$6164a8c0@stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good day netters I am trying to establish how much space there actually is between the pilot and the control stick. The relevance of this is that some folks have shorter legs than others and need to sit closer to the rudder pedals - other folks have bigger paunches and need to sit a bit further back to fit the beer belly in. Some adjustment in the rudder pedals helps, but I need to figure out how much the seat can be moved forward without creating a problem. I am looking at ways to move the seats closer to the CG so as to reduce the CG shift from one to two occupants. The original design (and every KR I have seen) has the single and dual stick arrangement mounted on the aft surface of the main spar. I would prefer to do the same - this avoids making any extra holes through the main spar. I guess the real question is, how comfortable are different size folks with the present (standard) configuration? Could (should) the stick be further / nearer to the pilot? Thanks Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:59:51 +0100 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : KR> Any Oregon KR's out there To: KRnet Cc: krnet@mylist.net, krnet-bounces@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There must be! My KR is built out of Oregon! ;-) Serge VIDAL KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 05:43:14 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Seat position To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <4236BC42.000001.02724@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Stephen, You can get all the adjustment that you need by making your seat cushion thicker or thinner. There is not a whole lot of room to work with anyway. The more forward you can sit, the better. Leave your rudder pedals where they are. Keep everything as forward as you can. I don't see how mounting the stick on the aft side of the main spar avoids extra holes in the main spar. The hole has to be there whether the stick is on the front of aft side. However, I don't see any way that it could be mounted any other place than on the aft side of the spar. As far as I am concerned, the only way to go on this plane is with dual sticks like we and Mark L. have. I flew a KR for 185 hours that had a center stick and that is one of the most aggravating things there was about the KR. You solve a lot of issues by using dual sticks or at least a pilot stick that would be in the same place as if you had dual sticks. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:00:29 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> Seat position To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c52956$98e66750$3364a8c0@stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There is not a whole lot of room to work with anyway. The more forward you can sit, the better ++++++++++++++++ Thanks Dan The above comment is the core of my question - get as far fwd as possible, BUT how much room is there to do so and still feel comfortable with the stick position, especially for someone with a bit of middle age spread. The only KR I ever flew had a centre stick so no way to tell if there was space to move fwd or not. I don't see how mounting the stick on the aft side of the main spar avoids extra holes in the main spar. ++++++++++++++++ The small bolt holes are not the concern - mounting the pole on the fwd side (to get another 4 -5 inches in front of the pilot) will require a dirty great hole through the spar for the push rod. I flew a KR for 185 hours that had a center stick and that is one of the most aggravating things there was about the KR. ++++++++++++++++++ I am pleased you made that point - I have always wondered if there was that much difference - now I know. Take care Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:39:04 -0500 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> Seat position To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000401c5295b$f95d6f20$21a772d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I don't see how it is practical to put the stick anywhere else than on the rear face of the main spar, as designed! The contol stick can be further customized to fit not by moving the whole assembly, but by bending the stick itself into a graceful curve towards the pilot and by lenghtening it...if desired. One thing I did discover on a KR2 that I built with a partner, who incidently had the same height and weight as myself, was that he fit comfortably and my head hit the canopy. He was long in the legs and I was long in the torso. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Jacobs" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:03 AM Subject: KR> Seat position > > I guess the real question is, how comfortable are different size folks > with the present (standard) configuration? Could (should) the stick > be further / nearer to the pilot? > > Thanks > Steve J > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:47:11 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> Dual Controls (was seat possition) To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002901c5295d$1d34e3f0$8200a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Dan, Please elaborate on pro's and con's for 2 sticks verse centre stick as I'm thinking of redoing my ailerons as push/pull tubes and was considering going to dual sticks. I am rafter your personal opinion as I am now use to the centre stick and have no problems but I am concerned about arms, etc when carrying a passenger. Thanks Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Heath As far as I am concerned, the only way to go on this plane is with dual sticks like we and Mark L. have. I flew a KR for 185 hours that had a center stick and that is one of the most aggravating things there was about the KR. You solve a lot of issues by using dual sticks or at least a pilot stick that would be in the same place as if you had dual sticks. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:17:42 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Seat position, rudder pedals To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <009f01c52961$5eddfc20$5e0ca58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original One thing I can tell you is that my seat back is right in the middle of the "4-6" range in the plans (I think that's right), and it could be leaned back a little more for my taste. I wouldn't mind if my stick was aft about 3" more than it is. See http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kcontrol.html ). Rudder pedals are easy to deal with for different pilots. You can use the Bengelis trick of inserting a metal strip with several holes in it (maybe 1", 2", and 3" on center) into each rudder cable, near the seats so you can move a pin around and change the length of the rudder cable, thereby bringing the pedals closer to you if needed. You'd need a spring return on the pedals themselves (or something other than a closed loop) if you use this system though. Rudder pedals are shown at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/pedals/index.html, but mine aren't adjustable. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:27:57 -0400 From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: Re: KR> handheld GPS (was Kr cost) To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003a01c52962$cdcac900$6401a8c0@laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Scott: I am considering a new GPS unit for my KR2 soon to be on line. What do you recommend after doing the research? The Lorance airmap or the Garmin? Can one use the lap top approach with a GPS map unit cost effectively? Look forward to your info. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cable" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:22 PM Subject: Re: KR> handheld GPS (was Kr cost) > Netters; > I'm definitely no expert on GPS, but from the research that I did on > the > GPS subject when I was going to purchase one, I learned that the primary > difference between Aviation GPS's and Non-Aviation rated GPS's such as > Marine units is the times per minute that they update. (I can't remember > the URL where I got this info, or I'd post it also, but it was written by > a 747 pilot.) > The Aviation units update many times more per minute than ground or > marine based units. You can test this by taking note of your location (in > your car), then turn a corner and head into a new direction and see how > long it takes your GPS to update to your new direction / location. > Typically you'll notice a lag between the time that you turn, and when the > GPS actually updates. Because of the lag time, Marine and ground based > units are not recommended for aviation use. > The next and maybe more obvious difference is in the databases. Aviation > unit databases are far different than a Marine unit. Not to say that you > couldn't easily update the database for aviation use, but that's a whole > new subject... > Maybe the reason Oscar is having difficulties, is because he's switched > continents, he may be right on the border of what the satellites can > "see". Oscar may need to update his service to change which satellites > his GPS is "reading" from. > > Oscar Zuniga wrote: >>After much frustration I learnt that it would not function over >>certain speeds - not sure now, but I think it stopped registering >>after 70mph. > > I think it's good to 99 MPH (clearly posted in the product specs on > their website, if you snoop), which is the reason I ended up buying a > non-aviation Magellan handheld rather than the > equal-priced/equal-featured non-aviation Garmin (the Magellan doesn't > hit the wall at 99 MPH). > > > Scott Cable > KR-2S # 735 > Wright City, MO > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:52:19 -0600 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> handheld GPS (was Kr cost) To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Scott writes- >Maybe the reason Oscar is having difficulties, is because he's switched >continents Never said I was having difficulties. I haven't switched continents, either (only time I've left this continent in 53 years was to go to Tahiti, but sure didn't fly the Super Cub, Pietenpol, or C172!) >Oscar may need to update his service to change which satellites his GPS >is >"reading" from. No, it reads just fine. All I was offering was my observations on buying a non-aviation handheld GPS based on what I found out about the cheapie units. I've flown with my Magellan GPS 2000 which is admittedly a very low-end "where is my campsite?" unit, but it truly amazed me the first few times I used it after being a VOR-head for many years. I didn't notice much, if any, lag in the updates but I also never intended to use it for IFR work or for primary navigation in a fast airplane. In the Super Cub or Skyhawk, it was like a magical new "all-in-one" VOR/DME/ADF/RNAV unit, and it put me spot-on to anyplace I programmed into it. Nowadays, however, I would definitely save my pennies and get a Garmin GPS 196. Incredible piece of equipment. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:02:50 -0600 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> Any Oregon KR's out there To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Larry writes- >Is there any KR's in Oregon. I'm sure there are. There was a guy based out of the Portland area who had a flying KR with a Revmaster but he had it for sale about a year ago. There is another guy based at Independence (close to Salem; home of EAA 292) building a KR. Another guy in Klamath Falls is building one, I believe. There was an older KR2 based at Grants Pass, flying for quite a few years. And somewhere out there is the granddaddy of KR collectors (I think he has 4 of them in different stages of build/rebuild), John Bouyea. He's somewhere in Oregon but I forget exactly where. >I would love to talk with someone who has been there and done that. That would be Paul Martin, in Ashland. He bought a "project" KR2 with 1835 VW, converted it from conventional to tri-gear, and flew it for a good while... then sold it in favor of his present Tri-Pacer (more room for his wife, two dogs, and their daughter). Paul's number is (541) 488-8800 or visit his website at http://www.wolfpacks.com . Pictures of Paul's plane on my website, at http://www.flysquirrel.net/ride.html Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:54:25 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Rudder pedals To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006101c5296e$e17d6500$9c402141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Adjustable rudder pedals can be accomplished in a closed loop, but it will be alittle elaborate, possibly get alittle heavy. To "steal" a design from the RV camp, you make and "S" bracket on each outboard edge of the rudder pedal where the attachment of the cable is, so that the cable passes through the S and continues on to the rest of the system. When adjusting the pedals, they tilt towards the rear of the plane, somewhat straightening the cable and allowing the pedals to slide along the cable length. Once in the desired position, the mount is secured by pins, and the pedal returned upright again, causing the cable to return back to the S configuration. This S gently bites or grabs the cable for normal actuation of the rudder, without the cable having to terminate at the pedal side mount. My seats are 4 inches further forward then plans, bottom 4 inches forward of rear spar, and seat back 5 inches. The sitting position is alittle more straight up and down, giving better over the nose visibility. I am 5'5" and could not get to the rudder pedals, and still see over the nose. My dual sticks ( thanks Brian Kraut ) are very comfortably right at my knee. You want your hand to be able to rest on your leg somewhat or knee or else you will have a BIG tendency to wobble the plane in flight since it is very sensitive at speed like any aircraft is. The main difference in the KR and other aircraft in my opinion at cruise speed is that the control forces are still very light compared to other aircraft, so it is just easier to cause over controlling, not that it is any MORE sensitive. The benefit once you are used to it, is that the control effectiveness of the KR is truly all the way down to its stall speed, mine getting mushy and sloppy only with 5 mph of the actual stall. Mounting the cut down prop today hopefully.... Colin & Beverly Rainey Apex Lending, Inc. www.eloan2004cr.com crainey@apexlending.com 407-323-6960 ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:20:49 -0800 (PST) From: Dennis Mingear Subject: Re: KR> KR2S plans To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050315152049.61616.qmail@web51406.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for the info Mark, it is very much appreciated. Denny Mark Langford wrote:Dennis Mingear wrote: >Should I order the 2S plan supplement sheets. Absolutely. Lots of details that were left out of the KR2 plans, as well as improvements. Certainly worth 75 bucks in the grand scheme of building a KR anything. They are basically a sheet or two to add to the manual and several large drawings. They could stand to be much better, but then they would cost much more. Info available at http://www.fly-kr.com/kr2s.htm . It's sort of interesting that not many people are referred to this link, but it is the offocial Rand Robinson web site. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html "I can train a monkey to wave an American flag. That does not make the monkey patriotic." Scott Ritter --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:28:08 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> Seat position, rudder pedals To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c52973$a1ffa230$8b64a8c0@stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mark L says: I wouldn't mind if my stick was aft about 3" more than it is. See http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kcontrol.html ). Thank you Mark L -------------------------------- Colin R says: My seats are 4 inches further forward then plans, bottom 4 inches forward of rear spar, and seat back 5 inches. My dual sticks (thanks Brian Kraut ) are very comfortably right at my knee. ------------------------- Thank you Colin R +++++++++++++++++ This is exactly what I was trying to establish - thank you both. I still have the option to move everything - Firewall, seats and rudder pedals a bit closer (further forward), even the canopy if need be. I needed to know the true position in a completed airplane. My root chord is larger so the distance between spars is 3" greater, so I already have that in hand. From your info I now know that I can move the seats (payload) a good 6" fwd and still plan on having the controls mounted on the back of the main spar. My primary motive is to minimize the aft CG shift (when the second trusting soul comes aboard) by relocating the seats closer to the CG. Ideally the variable payload should be on the CG, but that is the price of side-by-side seating. I do appreciate the impact and consequences of this change, but the effort is worth having an airplane that has a relatively small CG migration between driver only and full house. Is that not why we choose the KR - it tolerates our whims. I am dead keen to hear the responses to the point raised by Barry K - what is the skinny on the single stick vs dual stick? I somehow figured that a "side stick" would be more convenient, it is aligned with the push-rod (arm), it caters for an arm rest (to reduce PIO) and makes for uncluttered space in front of everyone. I must be wrong, almost everyone is opting for dual controls - even guys that had already completed and installed single sticks Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:37:36 -0500 From: JAMES C FERRIS Subject: Re: KR> Seat position, rudder pedals To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050315.103736.612.2.mijnil@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii but Mark has zero belly ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:54:59 -0800 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> Dual Controls (was seat possition) To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050315075133.00c20af0@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Please elaborate on pro's and con's for 2 sticks verse centre stick as >I'm >thinking of redoing my ailerons as push/pull tubes and was considering >going to dual sticks. When carrying a passenger: 1. no problem changing control. 2. easy to ride controls when training passenger. 3. can put engine controls in center making it possible for either pilot to control. 4. Emergencies (medical) happen. Do you want your passenger to die with you, or to save you? Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:01:35 +0100 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : Re: KR> Dual Controls (was seat possition) To: KRnet Cc: KRnet , krnet-bounces@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Not to mention the possibility to grab the stick between your thighs (very useful sometimes!) Serge Vidal larry severson Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-03-15 16:54 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-03-15 16:55 Pour : KRnet cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: KR> Dual Controls (was seat possition) >Please elaborate on pro's and con's for 2 sticks verse centre stick as I'm >thinking of redoing my ailerons as push/pull tubes and was considering >going to dual sticks. When carrying a passenger: 1. no problem changing control. 2. easy to ride controls when training passenger. 3. can put engine controls in center making it possible for either pilot to control. 4. Emergencies (medical) happen. Do you want your passenger to die with you, or to save you? Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:04:18 -0700 From: "Louis Staalberg" Subject: Re: KR> Any Oregon KR's out there To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000401c52978$a4c86ce0$6401a8c0@CenterDesk> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original To all people who want to know: "Are there any KR's in...." Step 1: Go to http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/defimg.asp Step 2: Click on the box "Make/Model" Type in KR (in the model name box) (You will get 966 entries!) Step 3: Click on the state you are interested in and note the "N" number. Step 4: Go back to the FAA registry page,(the page where you started). Step 5 Go the the box "N Number" ant type in the number without the N Step 6: Scoll down to "Registered owner" (You will find name and address) Note: By law, every registered owner is required to update his address. Good Luck Louis Staalberg Payson, Arizona N9FL@cbiwireless.com ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:14:15 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Seat position, rudder pedals To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003101c5297a$08b73320$2802a8c0@2600xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Steve J wrote: > My primary motive is to minimize the aft CG shift (when the second > trusting soul comes aboard) by relocating the seats closer to the CG. > Ideally the variable payload should be on the CG, but that is the > price of side-by-side seating. You might be going to more trouble than you need to. The KR2S, when built without the plans located header tank, will not have much CG shift. I forget the exact number, but mine with wing tanks shifts less than two inches from empty fuel light pilot to full fuel with heavy passengers. I think Mark Jones said his was closer to an inch the other day. Bill Clapp basically built my airplane (aerodynamically) and he says he flies all regimes and speeds with his trim tab moving no more than an eighth inch, so trim isn't a big issue in the new KR2S generation with wing tanks only. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see homebuilt airplane at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:57:21 -0600 From: Mark Jones Subject: RE: KR> Any Oregon KR's out there To: 'KRnet' Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F3549D919@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This is a great site to find info but the FAA has our planes listed several ways under Make/Model. To get a true perspective of what is out there you must search KR, Rand KR, Rand Robinson KR, Jones KR, KR2, KR2S, KR-2, KR-2S...etc...etc. -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+mjones=muellersales.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+mjones=muellersales.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Louis Staalberg Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:04 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Any Oregon KR's out there To all people who want to know: "Are there any KR's in...." Step 1: Go to http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/defimg.asp Step 2: Click on the box "Make/Model" Type in KR (in the model name box) (You will get 966 entries!) Step 3: Click on the state you are interested in and note the "N" number. Step 4: Go back to the FAA registry page,(the page where you started). Step 5 Go the the box "N Number" ant type in the number without the N Step 6: Scoll down to "Registered owner" (You will find name and address) Note: By law, every registered owner is required to update his address. Good Luck Louis Staalberg Payson, Arizona N9FL@cbiwireless.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:25:48 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> GPS To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050315122548.00844370@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For a price on the Lawrence Airmap 1000 ( 5 inch screen) that is CONSIDERABLY less than the $599 seen on most sites, check out the following site. www.lcflight.com In addition, Lawrence is offering rebates to current Lawrence owners. For example, my Lawrence 300, which is seven years old, will get me a $175 rebate. Deduct that from the cost of the 1000 and I can have a new 5 inch screen, VNAV, and many other options including Mapmaker software, etc., for a cash outlay of $350 !!! I may have to put that ANC headset on hold and reconsider my priorities. Speaking of ANC headsets, Gulf Coast Avionics has a set for $239 or $259 with auto-shutoff. Oh woe is me! What do I do ?????? Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:10:19 -0500 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> Seat position, rudder pedals To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <002501c5299b$03dcd140$4d6cd1d8@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Mark I'm also doing away with the header tank since the idea of a fuel tank in my lap doesn't greatly appeal to me. What I have decided however is to use that area previously occupied by the tank as a luggage compartment to keep weight as far forward as possible. By making this compartment as a lift out tray you now have complete access to the rear of the panel as well as rudder pedal/ firewall area without standing on your head. Doug Rupert The KR2S, when built without the plans located header tank, will not have much CG shift. I forget the exact number, but mine with wing tanks shifts less than two inches from empty fuel light pilot to full fuel with heavy passengers. I think Mark Jones said his was closer to an inch the other day Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:21:16 -0500 From: "Allen Wiesner " Subject: Re: KR> Dual Controls (was seat possition) To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005001c5299c$8b914e80$f612da42@CPQ69645694259> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Why not the best of both worlds, go with dual side sticks. Just allow a couple of inches on the right side for the linkage and/or bend the right-side stick in an sideways "S" . Allen G. Wiesner KR-2SS/TD S/N 1118 65 Franklin Street Ansonia, CT 06401-1240 (203) 732-0508 flashyal@usadatanet.net ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:36:41 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Dual Controls (was seat possition) To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <42375569.000001.03116@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I would not do that because they would not buy you anything but complexity. Can't use either hand, can't steady the stick between your legs, may still need an arm rest. If you are going to change something, you might as well get something in return. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering Why not the best of both worlds, go with dual side sticks. ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:52:45 -0500 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Any Oregon KR's out there To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003701c529a9$537cd930$0202a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Another way to find current registered KR's is to go to the FAA registry web site http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/acmain.htm and look for listings under the KR aircraft model, or you can look up all aircraft in Oregon and look for KR's Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 105 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================