From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 11 Date: 1/7/2005 8:59:11 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Is a KR1 a LSA? (Randy Smith ) 2. Re: R?f. :UK Hoilday (Phillip Matheson) 3. Re: Is a KR1 a LSA? (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 4. Re: Registration Form (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 5. Re: Re: R?f. :UK Hoilday (Phillip Matheson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:38:52 -0600 From: "Randy Smith " Subject: Re: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? To: "gleone" , "KRnet" Message-ID: <005b01c4f52b$31827a90$bfc8b944@home> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I have had the opportunity to fly a # of different KRs for a total of about 600 hrs. Your stall speeds are a lot higher than you have on paper. Why build a 160 mph plane down to 130 mph? ----- Original Message ----- From: "gleone" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 5:20 PM Subject: RE: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? > I'm building the KR-1B/-1 (both sets of wings) with fixed gear. Specs > (per > plans) are: > Empty weight 484# > Gross wt 800# > Vne 144 mph > Max Cruise 130 mph > Maneuvering speed 120 > Max Spoiler Flap extension speed 100 mph > Stall Spoiler Flap Extended 45 mph > Stall Spoiler Flap Retracted 38 mph > > Not having the LSA figures at hand, I THINK the KR-1B would qualify. > But that's my un-researched opinion. > > Things like extending the landing gear speeds are NA as, like I said > above, > I'm building it as a fixed gear bird. Hope this helps. > > Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Doug Rupert > Date: 01/07/05 15:13:25 > To: 'KRnet' > Subject: RE: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? > > My guess would be that it would depend on the FAA inspector but I > can't > see > how any KR could qualify in the stall speed category. Personally I think > that building a KR to fit LSA requirements would be a daunting task at > best. > Probably easier to just get a medical and fly under the old rules or look > into a different aircraft. > Doug Rupert > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 1/3/2005 > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:32:34 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: KR> Re: R?f. :UK Hoilday To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008e01c4f53b$136be450$1f30ddcb@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Serge ,Travel Dates & Times. Arrive London Sat. June 12th 12.15pm Leave London for 7 days in Europe 20th June. Return to London 27th June. Depart London for stay in Dubai. 4th July. Will be Staying in the UK at our travel companions , Brothers place in Suffolk Hill ????? I think that how you spell it. We have no travel plans for our London stay, but hope to have a good look around your country. Will check on the dates I will be in Paris and let you know. Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR Construction web page at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 23:26:25 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? To: gleone@rtconnect.net,krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050107.232917.3060.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It is a motor glider, Do not sweat it, Virg On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:20:47 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) "gleone" writes: > I'm building the KR-1B/-1 (both sets of wings) with fixed gear. > Specs (per > plans) are: > Empty weight 484# > Gross wt 800# > Vne 144 mph > Max Cruise 130 mph > Maneuvering speed 120 > Max Spoiler Flap extension speed 100 mph > Stall Spoiler Flap Extended 45 mph > Stall Spoiler Flap Retracted 38 mph > > Not having the LSA figures at hand, I THINK the KR-1B would qualify. > But > that's my un-researched opinion. > > Things like extending the landing gear speeds are NA as, like I said > above, > I'm building it as a fixed gear bird. Hope this helps. > > Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Doug Rupert > Date: 01/07/05 15:13:25 > To: 'KRnet' > Subject: RE: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? > > My guess would be that it would depend on the FAA inspector but I > can't see > how any KR could qualify in the stall speed category. Personally I > think > that building a KR to fit LSA requirements would be a daunting task > at best. > Probably easier to just get a medical and fly under the old rules or > look > into a different aircraft. > Doug Rupert > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 1/3/2005 > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 23:20:43 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Registration Form To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050107.232917.3060.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Would Buy/ Sell agrement avoid such problems??? Virg ( With appropriate Life Insurance??) On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:24:53 -0800 (PST) Ron Smith writes: > > > jeffyork40@qx.net wrote: > I did the "OR" on a previous plane with a partner. > > Partner died, > > During the long time it took trying to get the title transferred to > me and > after thinking everything was ok, I went to my hanger one day to > find out > the lock had been changed. > > You see my partners survivors, (wife and son) ( I am sure their > attorney > too) got to talking and when the word airplane was mentioned over a > period > of several conversations and months, they suddenly began to feel > that any > airplane was worth a lot of money. So hence, this airplane was worth > a lot > of money. > > So they demanded I pay to them much more then what the plane > finished was > worth, not to mention that the plane was not finished when he died. > By the > way I finished it after he died. > > The thing that really makes me mad. They ended up selling the plane > to a guy > for less then what each partner had into it. Which was by the way, > about a > fifth of what they demanded for me to pay them. > > Also, by the way, these where people, that I thought I had a great > friendship with. His wife actually cried on several occasions as she > told me she knew her husband wanted me to have the plane because he > knew I would > carry on and finish it. > > I am making this to long. Bottom-line, I was out an airplane, all > the money > I put into it and of course time and effort, hanger fees, so on and > so on. > > I will only put " OR" on the title with a survivor, wife or son, all > others > will be "AND" because money and lawyers will always get in the way, > regardless of right and wrong. > > Oh, and the guy that bought it from them. I thought he was a friend > too. > > Jeff York > N839BG > Lexington KY. > http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40 > > The "or" certainly does not protect you from legal action. It does > let you transfer the vessel with your signature alone. Which can be a > convience issue. Someone can always get a lawyer involved and make > your life hell. I'm sure it would be wise to have some legal papers > drawn up as to the percentage of ownership, in a partnership. A will > stating who retains ownership upon the death of one of the partners > might have saved you some grief. Sorry that you had that > experience. > > > > Here at the dealership the "default" is always, "or", so that in the > event of the death of a spouse the survivor can sell the vehicle > with their own signature. If the "and" is selected it becomes much > more difficult to transfer the vehicle, upon the death of one or the > registered owners. That is all I was saying. Sorry that happened to > you. :( > > > > Nothing, repeat, nothing protects you from a lawsuit in these United > States. The say carsalesmen are bad!!! Lawyers take the cake. : ) > > Ron Smith, > > Kr2s boat stage > > Cypress Ca. > > mercedesmann@yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:56:07 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Re: R?f. :UK Hoilday To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <009701c4f53e$5dd98350$1f30ddcb@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sorry Not meant for KR Net Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR Construction web page at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 11 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================