From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 120 Date: 3/22/2005 12:03:44 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: ballistic parachute? (JEHayward@aol.com) 2. Parachute FAR (Wesley Scott) 3. Re: Parachute FAR (David Mikesell) 4. R?f. : KR> LED,s (Serge VIDAL) 5. Parachutes (Colin & Bev Rainey) 6. Aerobatic flight (Kevin Jarvis) 7. Aerobatic flight (error) (Kevin Jarvis) 8. Re: ballistic parachute? (Orma) 9. RE: g rating (Brian Kraut) 10. Mark Jones' KR (Oscar Zuniga) 11. tech advisors (Andy Hatting) 12. G rating (larry flesner) 13. Re: Mark Jones' KR (Steve Eberhart) 14. Mark Jones' KR (Oscar Zuniga) 15. tech advisors; not profane... (Ron Freiberger) 16. FW: KR> Parachute FAR (Ron Freiberger) 17. aerobatic certified KR (larry flesner) 18. Re: Mark Jones' KR (Steve Eberhart) 19. RE: g rating (Doug Rupert) 20. Re: aerobatic certified KR (larry severson) 21. Re: Mark Jones' KR (Mark Langford) 22. AS504x (ronevogt@cox.net) 23. Re: AS504x (Mark Langford) 24. RE: g rating (Jack Cooper) 25. Stub wing (Ferris John-RA8177) 26. Re: Mark Jones' KR (Jim Sellars) 27. Re: Stub wing (Mark Langford) 28. Re: g rating, helo loops (Allen Wiesner ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:07:50 EST From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> ballistic parachute? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 3/21/2005 5:18:34 PM Mountain Standard Time, glidden@ccrtc.com writes: > There was somebody I can't remember who it was,but he said he done > acrobatics in his all the time. Seems like there was an article in one of the aviation magazines some years ago about a fellow who used his KR in an acrobatic routine at air shows. I think his name was Sparky or something like that. Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:58:23 -0600 From: "Wesley Scott" Subject: KR> Parachute FAR To: "krnet" Message-ID: <008201c52ea4$29e9a760$b6a60a04@pbrain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:57:50 -0500 >From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" >Subject: KR> Parachute >Common sense might say that it does, but the letter of the FAR says >each occupant must wear a >personal parachute, and a reserve chute, etc.... >No it does not. Ballistic chute is viewed like a fire extinguisher, additional safety equipment. Does the FAR actually require parachutes? I can't check www.faa.gov at the moment. My 1999 FAR/AIM says in 91.307(c) "Unless each occupant of the aircraft is wearing an approved parachute, no pilot of a civil aircraft carrying any person (other than a crewmember) may execute any intentional maneuver that exceeds--" I would interpret that to mean that if you are flying solo there is no requirement to wear a parachute when doing aerobatics. -- wesley scott kr2@spottedowl.biz ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:26:56 -0800 From: "David Mikesell" Subject: Re: KR> Parachute FAR To: "Wesley Scott" , "KRnet" Message-ID: <000c01c52ea8$26fc9cc0$6501a8c0@DavidMikesell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I can actually answer that one...if you intend to do aerobatics you must wear a parachute, it is required but then again what determines aerobatics? not just loops, 360 degree rolls....also anything over 45 degrees of intentional bank as not to avert obstacles or other aircraft of yes 60 degree +banks would be considered aerobatics. David Mikesell 23597 N. Hwy 99 Acampo, CA 95220 209-609-8774 skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wesley Scott" To: "krnet" Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:58 PM Subject: KR> Parachute FAR > >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:57:50 -0500 > >From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" > >Subject: KR> Parachute > > >Common sense might say that it does, but the letter of the FAR says > >each > occupant must wear a >personal parachute, and a reserve chute, etc.... > >No it does not. Ballistic chute is viewed like a fire extinguisher, > additional safety equipment. > > Does the FAR actually require parachutes? I can't check www.faa.gov > at the > moment. > > My 1999 FAR/AIM says in 91.307(c) > "Unless each occupant of the aircraft is wearing an approved > parachute, no pilot of a civil aircraft carrying any person (other > than a crewmember) may > execute any intentional maneuver that exceeds--" > > I would interpret that to mean that if you are flying solo there is no > requirement to wear a parachute when doing aerobatics. > > -- > wesley scott > kr2@spottedowl.biz > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:59:13 +0100 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : KR> LED,s To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi. That's about the same price as in the UK. So, no miracles? Serge "marko jaksic" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-03-22 02:05 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-03-22 02:06 Pour : cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> LED,s Hi Serge LED,s 1W at Jaycar Electronic Perth Western Australia Tel. No: 08 9328 8252 .fax 08 9328 8982 or www.jaycar.com.au . the part no: for 1W LED is DZ d0404 @ 16.95 AU$ _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:12:55 -0500 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Parachutes To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008d01c52ed0$18e65270$9c402141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Not to talk down or belittle anyone, but read closely what the wording is: each occupant shall.... That means anyone on board pilot included. No exception is made to while solo, or receiving dual, or not in an approved acrobatic aircraft. The aircraft does not determine the requirement, the maneuver executed by the pilot. The parachute requirement extends to all occupants on board, not to all PASSENGERS. Also, when dealing with the Regs, please be very careful about looking at one paragraph in a given section. Often the subordinate paragraphs will refer back to the opening paragraph or even a preceding reg for part of its definition. Rarely does one reg stand alone. Colin & Beverly Rainey Apex Lending, Inc. 407-323-6960 (p) 407-557-3260 (f) www.eloan2004cr.com crainey@apexlending.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:36:04 -0500 From: Kevin Jarvis Subject: KR> Aerobatic flight To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <42400324.9050901@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed This from an NTSB report: " According to Advisory Circular (AC) 91-48, “Acrobatics—Precision Flying With a Purpose,” the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) currently does not “require the performance of ‘pure’ acrobatics maneuvers during the flight test other than the spin requirement for airplane flight instructor applicants. Therefore, the FAA has not been involved in establishing criteria for the performance of acrobatic maneuvers . . . .” Federal Aviation Regulation (FAR) 91.303 defines acrobatic flight as “an intentional maneuver involving an abrupt change in an aircraft’s attitude, an abnormal attitude, or abnormal acceleration, not necessary for normal flight.” In AC 91-48, under discussion of the definition of acrobatic flight, the FAA notes the requirement that occupants wear parachutes for maneuvers exceeding a bank of 60° relative to the horizon or a nose-up or nosedown attitude of 30° relative to the horizon " (this was one long paragraph, I have broken it to make it easy to read) Note, the reference to greater than 60 degrees of bank and greater than 45 degrees of pitch...... Can we then say, KR in Yeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaa.......... Kevin ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:42:25 -0500 From: Kevin Jarvis Subject: KR> Aerobatic flight (error) To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <424004A1.707@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed opps, Note, the reference to greater than 60 degrees of bank and greater than 30 degrees of pitch...... NOT 45 degrees, as I typed the first time. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:16:01 -0500 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> ballistic parachute? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <01e901c52ed8$eadd6a40$0202a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Isn't it +7 -4? Yes Dan. I took a look at my book and it does say Plus 7 Thanks Orma ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:17:50 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> g rating To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" One thing you need to keep in mind if you want to do aerobatics in the KR, or any other plane, is that the G rating is one little piece of the puzzle. Most KRs meet the G requirements just fine, but the other factors are just as or more important. Some things to consider: Your aerobatic experience. Your experience with the KR. The KR is very low drag and accelerates rapidly when nose down, can you safely do the maneuver and pull out of it before you reach excessive speeds? Where is your C.G.? What are the stall characteristics of the particular KR? Have you spun the plane ane are you comfortable enough with the recovery that you feel a maneuver gone astray and turning into a spin is recoverable? Do you know enough that you can figure out the correct entry speeds for the KR for the maneuver? These will vary for each plane and pilot. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:29:44 -0600 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> Mark Jones' KR To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed You know, the doggone list administrator (Langford) just can't be caught. I thought I'd find Mark Jones' KR still on the "under construction" column on the www.krnet.org website, but the net admin is too quick. Jones' KR is already on the "flying KRs" list. I guess I could have checked on Sunday afternoon and caught Langford lagging on updating the list. Next time ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:29:44 +0200 From: "Andy Hatting" Subject: KR> tech advisors To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <424047F8.9394.F98FA95@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Dear Netters, I find it quite shocking that such bad language can be used on the net. My suggestion, : If you need to swear at each other, surely you can do it by using each other's private e-mails and not the net. I have found the net a very good and informative place to get info, but I am shocked to the bone by this last lot of foul language. Can we start again by keeping it about KR's and not personal vendettas? Andy Hatting South Africa ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:29:23 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> G rating To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050322082923.0083c440@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Isn't it +7 -4? >>Yes Dan. I took a look at my book and it does say Plus 7 >Thanks >Orma +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The following is scanned from page 6, "Introduction" of the plans. I've inserted an X where the plans have a "plus" sign atop a "minus" sign. The OCR software would not recognize the symbol. { Design stress loading is X 7 g's at 800 Ibs gross and redline is 200mph indicated.} Anyone intending to put their butt in the seat and insert free air between the tires and the ground really ought to know this AND how THEIR KR ,at it's built weight, relates to the design specs. In "ballpark" figures, 800 X 7 =5600 pounds. If you built a 700 pound KR that you fly at 1100 pounds, you have roughly a 5 G structure. Anyone think Marty, at 770 empty weight, pulling 6G's, was pushing the "design" limits AND is YOUR KR, with a longer wing, going to be as strong? Maybe I ought to call Marty and have him buy me a lotto ticket !! Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:48:00 -0600 From: Steve Eberhart Subject: Re: KR> Mark Jones' KR To: KRnet Message-ID: <42403020.3060201@newtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Oscar Zuniga wrote: >You know, the doggone list administrator (Langford) just can't be >caught. I >thought I'd find Mark Jones' KR still on the "under construction" column on >the www.krnet.org website, but the net admin is too quick. Jones' KR is >already on the "flying KRs" list. > >I guess I could have checked on Sunday afternoon and caught Langford >lagging >on updating the list. Next time ;o) > > Hi Oscar, Mark Jones' KR is another KR with the AS504x series airfoil to take flight. It might be nice to have a new list for flying KR's with the AS504x airfoils. The number is growing. So far, the airfoils are performing exactly as predicted. Steve Eberhart ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:56:29 -0600 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> Mark Jones' KR To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >It might be nice to have a new list for flying KR's with the AS504x >airfoils. I suppose it would. The problem is that it might require buying Langford a cold one ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:58:51 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: KR> tech advisors; not profane... To: "KRNET" Message-ID: <000501c52eef$ad2287f0$6400a8c0@Disorganized> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Andy's right, but could we also leave the Tech counselors out of the issue? Did anyone EVER try a new subject line? Ron Freiberger mail to ronandmartha@earthlink.net  <- Note this NEW info Subject: KR> tech advisors Dear Netters, I find it quite shocking that such bad language can be used on the net. My suggestion, : If you need to swear at each other, surely you can do it by using each other's private e-mails and not the net. I have found the net a very good and informative place to get info, but I am shocked to the bone by this last lot of foul language. Can we start again by keeping it about KR's and not personal vendettas? Andy Hatting South Africa ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:04:15 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: FW: KR> Parachute FAR To: "KRNET" Message-ID: <000601c52ef0$6b2e43b0$6400a8c0@Disorganized> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" wesley scott said kr2@spottedowl.biz I would interpret that to mean that if you are flying solo there is no requirement to wear a parachute when doing aerobatics. I think that is exactly correct. Also, imagine two persons in a KR wearing 'chutes. Probably couldn't get out. Anyone serious about aero should also have a jettison arrangement for the canopy. Ron Freiberger mail to ronandmartha@earthlink.net  -- _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:27:47 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> aerobatic certified KR To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050322092747.00837ac0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Of all the KR's registered, does anyone know of a KR that is certified >to do >acrobatics? >Orma ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= >From my understanding of the reg's, if you perform the aerobatic manuevers during phase I test period, (and we'll assume here that you do it legally) that the airplane is certified to perform those manuevers after the phase I period is finished, again assuming their done legally, parachute, etc. As to the parachute requirement, if the reg's state " each occupant" requires a chute, we could ASSUME that the pilot, even when solo, is an occupant of the aircraft. If the aircraft is not capable of allowing "each occupant" to wear a chute, then you won't be able to "legally certify" the aircraft for aerobatics. ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:08:33 -0600 From: Steve Eberhart Subject: Re: KR> Mark Jones' KR To: KRnet Message-ID: <42404301.1020108@newtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Oscar Zuniga wrote: >>It might be nice to have a new list for flying KR's with the AS504x >>airfoils. >> >> > >I suppose it would. The problem is that it might require buying >Langford a >cold one ;o) > > I will be at the Gathering this year so I guess I need to bring him a six pack of that red stuff he likes :-) He only gets it if he flies to the Gathering though. Steve Eberhart ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:10:40 -0500 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> g rating To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <002701c52ef9$b3d0ff00$4e3cd0d8@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Brian you left one out, anyone using the Frise aileron setup is definitely out of the picture since they are strictly a non-aerobatic item whereas the plans built ones are. Personally if I wanted aerobatic capabilities as well as high performance I think I would have gone with the Steen Skybolt as she is designed for them. I've done aerobatics and even had the dubious distinction of looping a Cobra helicopter back when choppers couldn't do that kind of thing and even though I might be a little far out there from mainstream thinking I wouldn't even consider using the KR for aerobatics. Doug Rupert -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:27:38 -0800 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> aerobatic certified KR To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050322082606.01e01660@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >From my understanding of the reg's, if you perform the aerobatic >manuevers during phase I test period, (and we'll assume here that you >do it legally) that the airplane is certified to perform those >manuevers after the phase I period is finished, again assuming their >done legally, parachute, etc. You can also voluntarily reenter the test phase in 5 hour blocks at any time to establish the aerobatic capability. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:52:06 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Mark Jones' KR To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008f01c52f07$dd46d310$5e0ca58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original OZ wrote: > You know, the doggone list administrator (Langford) just can't be > caught. > I > thought I'd find Mark Jones' KR still on the "under construction" column > on > the www.krnet.org website, but the net admin is too quick. Jones' KR is > already on the "flying KRs" list. There's a reason it's done already. Mark called me from the airport, still breathless, to tell me I needed to get his name moved from "under construction" to "flying KRs". I had it done before I hung up the phone. If you were really on the ball you'd have known he made his first flight before he announced it! I'll add my "CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!" to the long list. Job well done! Now start feeding us information like Larry's been doing, particularly with respect to performance of the new airfoil and the Corvair engine. Today I filled out the paperwork for the KR forum at OSH, and ammended my "bio" to say "Mark Langford has built AND FLOWN a KR2S...", so I'm on the hook to have it done by then for sure. I'm shooting for Monday (first day) morning, or Tuesday at the latest for the forum. And I'll fly it to the Gathering if I have to leave a week early, so bring that Killians Red, Steve. I have to confess that flying this thing isn't my number one priority right now, just like it obviously hasn't been for the last ten years. There are other things in life that have to get done, but finishing up the KR happens, slowly but surely. I'm finding that any excuse to learn all about something new during the building process is justification enough to take a minor detour. I'll add something about the KRs that have flown so far to the bottom of the airfoil page. I'm pretty sure it's just the four that Mark J mentioned, but there will be many more shortly... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:58:16 -0500 From: Subject: KR> AS504x To: Message-ID: <20050322175816.HETT18934.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Netters: What type airfoil does one have if he is using the Deilh wingskins? Is it the AS 504x, or some other type? Is this a stupid question? Inquiring minds want to know? RV ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:02:42 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> AS504x To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <009601c52f09$57fbad50$5e0ca58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original > What type airfoil does one have if he is using the Deilh > wingskins? One would have an RAF48, as mentioned on the KR drawings. More info on that airfoil is available at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kraf48.html . There is very little info available on that airfoil, and as far as I know, this is all of it. Info on the "new KR airfoil" is at http://www.krnet.org/as504x/ ... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:16:49 -0500 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: RE: KR> g rating To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220053222181649141@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Doug I have heard of people doing loops in the Cobra but I have never done one myself. Being a little far out in your thinking is an understatement. I guess in those days you hadn't heard of the "Design Flaw" that Bell Helicopters were famous for. Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: Doug Rupert > To: KRnet > Date: 3/22/2005 11:10:44 AM > Subject: RE: KR> g rating > > > > Brian you left one out, anyone using the Frise aileron setup is > definitely out of the picture since they are strictly a non-aerobatic > item whereas the > plans built ones are. Personally if I wanted aerobatic capabilities as well > as high performance I think I would have gone with the Steen Skybolt > as she > is designed for them. I've done aerobatics and even had the dubious > distinction of looping a Cobra helicopter back when choppers couldn't > do that kind of thing and even though I might be a little far out > there from mainstream thinking I wouldn't even consider using the KR > for aerobatics. Doug Rupert > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > > > ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:24:15 -0700 From: Ferris John-RA8177 Subject: KR> Stub wing To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain Can anyone tell how wide the KR2s is with just the stub wing? I need to pick up a project and have to select a trailer. Thanks, John ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:53:47 -0400 From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: Re: KR> Mark Jones' KR To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001501c52f10$7b312e10$6401a8c0@laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Oscar; Just to let you know there is another KR2 that should be listed on the flying side of the ledger. C-GCJI is a pretty little trike, subaru powered, based at Havelock NB, the property of John Adkins. Just thought that you would like to know that the records were short by at least one flyer. Best regards Jim Sellars ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 10:29 AM Subject: KR> Mark Jones' KR > You know, the doggone list administrator (Langford) just can't be > caught. > I > thought I'd find Mark Jones' KR still on the "under construction" column > on > the www.krnet.org website, but the net admin is too quick. Jones' KR is > already on the "flying KRs" list. > > I guess I could have checked on Sunday afternoon and caught Langford > lagging > on updating the list. Next time ;o) > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:55:40 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Stub wing To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00a701c52f10$be378920$5e0ca58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original John wrote: > Can anyone tell how wide the KR2s is with just the stub wing? I need > to > pick up a project and have to select a trailer. The main spar is something like 84" wide, so add three inches for WAFs sticking out and you're up to 87". But the wheels should be considerably closer together, depending on how it was built. It might fit on a a 6' wide trailer, but that all depends on the wheel spacing... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ------------------------------ Message: 28 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:54:39 -0500 From: "Allen Wiesner " Subject: Re: KR> g rating, helo loops To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <004601c52f18$fc821030$800dda42@CPQ69645694259> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Doing it in helos is old hat. At Sikorsky (before my time) they took an S-52, (now being sold by a FL firm as the "Hummingbird" as a kit) put a small turbine in it, called it the S-59 and at one point did 17 (or was it 19) consecutive loops in it. I've seen an 8mm movie one of the mechs. made, it's boring; all you see is a dot going round n' round. And then in the middle 60's there was a marine Major ?Goulleigh? that we called the "Mad Major". With company approval, (and after a computer simulation) he proceeded to loop AND roll a CH-53A Sea Stallion. Allen G. Wiesner KR-2SS/TD S/N 1118 65 Franklin Street Ansonia, CT 06401-1240 (203) 732-0508 flashyal@usadatanet.net ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 120 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================