From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 14 Date: 1/10/2005 7:04:21 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: How Many Days??? (Dan Heath) 2. Re: How Many Days??? (Mark Jones) 3. RE: parts for sale (Kogelmann Christian - OS TDA) 4. Corvair mount KR2 (larry flesner) 5. Re: Is a KR1 a LSA? (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 6. Re: parts for sale (JamSpor9@aol.com) 7. stuff for sale. (JamSpor9@aol.com) 8. RE: Corvair mount KR2 (Jack Cooper) 9. Re: stuff for sale. (Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff) 10. Re: stuff for sale. (JamSpor9@aol.com) 11. KR 1835 Engine for Sale (Chris P) 12. Re: Making the list (JIM RALEIGH) 13. Re: Ed Sterba Mail Address (Dan Heath) 14. Re: Elevator Trim and Balancing (Barry Kruyssen) 15. Re: KR 1835 Engine for Sale (patrusso) 16. RE: Is a KR1 a LSA? (Ron Freiberger) 17. same person (Randy Smith ) 18. Re: Making the list (Randy Smith ) 19. Re: Corvair mount KR2 (Randy Smith ) 20. Is a KR1 a LSA? (rhartwig11@juno.com) 21. Re: Is a KR1 a LSA? (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 05:28:01 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> How Many Days??? To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41E258B1.000022.01808@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark, Does this mean that you know the date? Please tell us. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering -------Original Message------- Only 242 days till the most exciting KR Gathering EVER. Be there. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 05:54:14 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> How Many Days??? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002501c4f70b$2024cc80$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sept 9-11, 2005 Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 4:28 AM Subject: Re: KR> How Many Days??? > Mark, > > Does this mean that you know the date? Please tell us. > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a > time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building > has expired. > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > -------Original Message------- > > > Only 242 days till the most exciting KR Gathering EVER. Be there. > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:20:46 +0100 From: "Kogelmann Christian - OS TDA" Subject: RE: KR> parts for sale To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <7CB9C3C96D41544392C841BF0461FEB5018C67E3@sviemxs03.gate01.skylines.global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jim, The TRT 250 is a d model and does it have a round or rectangular front face? How much would you ask for the TRT? Thanks Christian -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of JamSpor9@aol.com Sent: Samstag, 08. Jänner 2005 07:36 To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> parts for sale Hi Everyone, Its beeen ages since I posted on the list. Circumstances force me to sell this great stuff. I have a set of TET gear leg brackets(never mounted), Diehl gear legs(never drilled or mounted), Terra TRT 250 transponder(yellow tagged), Narco Escort 2 Nav/Com( fits in insturment hole), Terra Nav/Com(standard face) with DIGITAL nav head,Vor/glideslope Nav head, Rebuilt(yellow tagged) AN style caged gyro(looks like NEW), ll Morrow Loran(does anyone still use Loran?). All this stuff is in EXCELLENT condition. Please contact me before the 12th. phone 970-963-4250 970-948-4889 or e-mail direct _skichick@xmail.net_ (mailto:skichick@xmail.net) Thanks, Jim Sporka, Aspen Colorado _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:52:14 -0600 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Corvair mount KR2 To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050110075214.0080c100@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >I've been working on my Corvair engine mount for my KR2. The engine >tray is >complete but I'm unable to find the length of the tubes from the tray to the >fire wall in the manual Can anyone give me a hand with this ? >Patricia ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Pat, This would be a good time to do a W&B on the airframe to determine just how far off the firewall the engine will need to be placed to have a safe and flyable KR. That would determine the length of the support rods that will hold the engine pad to the firewall. Just a thought....... Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:33:16 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? To: chrisp2@cox.net,krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050110.093901.3072.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii make it a 1b! Glider. No physical, Virg On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:42:20 -0500 "Chris P" writes: > remember i was asking about a KR1 > > i think with a small (1600) engine and climb prop, and maybe > slightly longer > wings, it would fit LSA... > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Human" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 9:34 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? > > > > LSA Top is 120 knots = @138 mph. Trade a little top speed for > climb with a > > prop adjustment, which is just what Sonex folks are doing and it > fits the > > LSA guidelines. > > > > That fits my lifestyle and I don't have to build another aircraft > to fly > > without the medical. > > > > End of story. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Randy Smith " > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 7:42 PM > > Subject: Fw: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? > > > > > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Randy Smith " > >> To: > >> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 7:36 PM > >> Subject: Fw: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? > >> > >> > >> > If I read it right,The top speed can't exceed 130 mph My last > KR2 > > cruised > >> > at 140 mph with a 2180 and after engine change to a O-200 it > went a > >> > hole > >> > lot faster. I now have Bud Wilson's KR2 with a Subaru and am > planning > >> > on > >> > cleaning it up. I have removed the Subaru and I am looking for > an > >> > O-200. > >> > Anybody interested in a Subaru firewall forward I have one. > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Brian Kraut" > >> > To: "KRnet" > >> > Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 6:40 PM > >> > Subject: RE: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? > >> > > >> > > >> >> Can't comment on the rest, but I can say that my stock KR-2 > would > >> >> stall > >> >> under 50 MPH. It wouldn't do that at gross, but if you built > a light > > KR, > >> >> kept the gross weight low, and added a few feet to the wing, > or better > >> >> yet, > >> >> a few feet to the stubs, you could easily have a stall speed > under 50. > >> >> > >> >> Brian Kraut > >> >> Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > >> >> www.engalt.com > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net > >> >> [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of > >> >> Rick Human > >> >> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 6:20 PM > >> >> To: KRnet > >> >> Subject: Re: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> I don't think I missed any points - I was answering the > question as to > >> >> why > >> >> anyone would want to go from 160 to 140. > >> >> > >> >> I've been following the KR for better than 20 yrs - > construction of > > mine > >> >> (now in flight test) for 18 - I'm convinced that if you go > back and > >> >> search > >> >> the archives as well as the old KR newsletter you will find > that the > >> >> average > >> >> with anything under 100hp is a 140 mph airplane. The only > question is > > the > >> >> "clean" stall speed and there is documentation out ther that a > < 50 > >> >> mph > >> >> stall is also achievable (espically with the 3 ft wing > extension as on > >> >> the > >> >> Diehl wing skins). > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Randy Smith " > >> >> To: > >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 10:05 PM > >> >> Subject: Fw: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>> You missed the point. There are a lot of planes that fit into > the LSA > >> >>> category. His is a sail plane,It fits. I could be wrong but I > think > > you > >> >> are > >> >>> going to have a hard time convincing the (friendly) FAA that > a KR > >> >>> will > >> >>> fit.There are to many already out there and they have a > reputation > >> >>> for > >> >>> speed. > >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >>> From: "Rick Human" > >> >>> To: "KRnet" > >> >>> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 10:32 AM > >> >>> Subject: Re: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > If you ever had to put out >$4k in medical tests to satisfy > the FAA > >> >>> > you > >> >>> > would know why. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >>> > From: "Randy Smith " > >> >>> > To: "gleone" ; "KRnet" > > >> >>> > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 8:38 PM > >> >>> > Subject: Re: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> >>Why > >> >>> >> build a 160 mph plane down to 130 mph? > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > _______________________________________ > >> >>> > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >> >>> > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >> >>> > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> _______________________________________ > >> >>> Search the KRnet Archives at > >> >>> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >> >>> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >> >>> please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________ > >> >> Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >> >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >> >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________ > >> >> Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >> >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >> >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________ > >> Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:38:07 EST From: JamSpor9@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> parts for sale To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <111.413d76c4.2f14096f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Christian, I believe I have sold the transponder, But I have not recieved the money yet, and ill put you second on the list if the buyer does not come through. It is a round face, for a 3 1/8 inst. hole. Thanks Jim ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:46:47 EST From: JamSpor9@aol.com Subject: KR> stuff for sale. To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1ef.32e46b49.2f140b77@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Everyone, Would the people that are buying my gearlegs, and the transponder/ and AH please recontact me, I've lost your info in the chaos of moving. Thanks. I still have those TET gear brackets!!!!! I also dug up a black face ADF, electric turn and bank, and a true airspeed. all are in excellent cond. the radios , loran , and nav head have been sold. Thanks to all. Jim Sporka, Aspen. 970-963-4250 ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:56:20 -0500 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: RE: KR> Corvair mount KR2 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220051110165620640@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Patricia I think the best methid of building an engine mount would be to have a jig like William Wynns but for those of us who will build only one engine mount read on. I dont know how you are building your engine mount but what I did was to make a false firewall so as not to damage the real firewall while welding the engine mount. I then marked the false firewall where the tray should be vertically and horizontzlly. Then determine the distance from the firewall that the tray should be and clamp the tray firmly in place and then cut each tube to fit individually. Be sure and check alignment often to make sure that the tray is still level and square to the firewall. check http://jackandsandycooper.com/motormount.html You will see how we did it. This is my friend Giff (Gifford Gillingham) who has built several airplanes and this is his suggested way of building. > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 1/9/2005 9:36:01 PM > Subject: KR> Corvair mount KR2 > > Greetings... > > I've been working on my Corvair engine mount for my KR2. The engine > tray is > complete but I'm unable to find the length of the tubes from the tray > to the > fire wall in the manual Can anyone give me a hand with this ? > > Patricia > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:00:44 -0800 From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" Subject: Re: KR> stuff for sale. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004e01c4f735$eca88150$6401a8c0@charlesmidkiff> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Jim, How much would you ask for the electric turn coordinator? Is it the 12V model? I would be interested in it if it's the type with the airplane in it. Bud Midkiff Lynnwood, WA email: c.midkiff@verizon.net my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/res18ums/index.html Cell: 206-719-3352 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 8:46 AM Subject: KR> stuff for sale. > Hi Everyone, Would the people that are buying my gearlegs, and the > transponder/ and AH please recontact me, I've lost your info in the > chaos of > moving. Thanks. I still have those TET gear brackets!!!!! I also dug > up a > black face ADF, electric turn and bank, and a true airspeed. all are in > excellent cond. the radios , loran , and nav head have been sold. > Thanks to > all. Jim Sporka, Aspen. 970-963-4250 > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:30:21 EST From: JamSpor9@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> stuff for sale. To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <155.47aa72a2.2f1423bd@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Bud, The T&B says it runs on 10 to 30 volts d.c.. It does have the plane. MFD. by Aerosonic Navigation Sustems, Carrolton Texas. mod#ans 50. Id like to get 100 bucks for it. Feel free to call 970-963-4250. Thanks Jim ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:39:47 -0500 From: "Chris P" Subject: KR> KR 1835 Engine for Sale To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002701c4f743$c2b926c0$6600a8c0@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The Wing skins are sold, but I do still have the Firewall Forward Setup... 1835 Engine with about 5 hours on it and some logs Supercase Alternator, Starter Slick Mag Exhaust Intake Carb Remote Oil Filter Remote Oil Cooler Aluminum Spinner for 2 blade prop Engine Mount Aircraft Style Tach Maybe some other stuff -Chris ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:02:01 -0600 From: "JIM RALEIGH" Subject: Re: KR> Making the list To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002201c4f746$dea5dd80$7ec91b45@HPAuthorizedCustomer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Randy if you are the Randy Smith from Soddy Daisy ,Tenn. or if you know of him I would like to hear from you. He was the original purchaser of my KR2S project and I need to get the original invoice from KR for the Kit. Jim Raleigh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Smith " To: Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 9:17 AM Subject: KR> Making the list > I have noticed when I reply to the KR list that some times it will post and sometimes it goes to the person that made the last post. This happened to me with Gene Leone. Maybe that is why we don't see all the messages? > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:20:02 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Ed Sterba Mail Address To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <41E2FF92.000001.03784@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" All the info on the GPASC and the KRnet is correct. It must be the way it is listed on the GPASC site, that causes it to get returned. I just called him and verified his address. However, he must not check his e-mail very often. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:54:01 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR>Elevator Trim and Balancing To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005601c4f767$48c293a0$d000a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Terrible flying weather here so I updated my WEB page (I'm going to get my daughter to make it more modern/professional) With a particular point to the shock cord used to balance my elevator, here is a link to some photos. http://users.tpg.com.au/barryk/Elevator_Shock_Cord.htm Regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://users.tpg.com.au/barryk/KR2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Kruyssen With regards to the trim, Many gliders do not have a control surface trim, instead they use a spring (or springs) to trim the aircraft. As my elevator is not balanced, but I do have a trim control surface, I attached a length of shock cord (stretch bungy cord) to my top elevator cable and stretched it through the seat back to hold my elevator level and tied it off (not adjustable). I hardly need to use my trim. (NOTE: in sailing we use shock cord into cleats to assist in trimming some of the smaller sailing boats, this is where I got the idea) ----- Original Message ----- Subject: KR> Flight report from Colin Rainey She got alittle busy with the new weight, but nothing that was unsafe, just kept wanting to lift the nose. I do not have adjustable trim so this meant having to maintain forward pressure on the stick. Later I think I will install elevator trim, even mechanical for this reason. ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:56:08 -0500 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> KR 1835 Engine for Sale To: "Chris P" , "KRnet" Message-ID: <003401c4f767$92ff6600$7aa672d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Chris very interested but where are you, how much etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris P" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 1:39 PM Subject: KR> KR 1835 Engine for Sale > The Wing skins are sold, but I do still have the Firewall Forward Setup... > > 1835 Engine with about 5 hours on it and some logs > > Supercase > Alternator, Starter > Slick Mag > Exhaust > Intake > Carb > Remote Oil Filter > Remote Oil Cooler > Aluminum Spinner for 2 blade prop > Engine Mount > Aircraft Style Tach > Maybe some other stuff > > > -Chris > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:57:25 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000c01c4f767$c52b06c0$8f722241@Disorganized> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'll bet you meant 50 indicated. A long way from LSA. I worked on a KRSport plan, and my indications were to use constant chord and add 48 inches to the span. Putting it in the stubs is a good idea, from both fuel carrying and convenience. Based on my prior experience with a very wide stance on a Jodel D11, I might move the gear out a bit too. Another issue might be to placard no LSA operations while carrying passengers, and limit fuel under LSA operations. Ron Freiberger mail to rfreiberger at swfla.rr.com <- substitute an @ sign ;o) -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 7:40 PM To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? Can't comment on the rest, but I can say that my stock KR-2 would stall under 50 MPH. It wouldn't do that at gross, but if you built a light KR, kept the gross weight low, and added a few feet to the wing, or better yet, a few feet to the stubs, you could easily have a stall speed under 50. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Rick Human Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 6:20 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? I don't think I missed any points - I was answering the question as to why anyone would want to go from 160 to 140. I've been following the KR for better than 20 yrs - construction of mine (now in flight test) for 18 - I'm convinced that if you go back and search the archives as well as the old KR newsletter you will find that the average with anything under 100hp is a 140 mph airplane. The only question is the "clean" stall speed and there is documentation out ther that a < 50 mph stall is also achievable (espically with the 3 ft wing extension as on the Diehl wing skins). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Smith " To: Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 10:05 PM Subject: Fw: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? > You missed the point. There are a lot of planes that fit into the LSA > category. His is a sail plane,It fits. I could be wrong but I think you are > going to have a hard time convincing the (friendly) FAA that a KR will > fit.There are to many already out there and they have a reputation for > speed. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Human" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 10:32 AM > Subject: Re: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? > > > > If you ever had to put out >$4k in medical tests to satisfy the FAA you > > would know why. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Randy Smith " > > To: "gleone" ; "KRnet" > > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 8:38 PM > > Subject: Re: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? > > > > > >>Why > >> build a 160 mph plane down to 130 mph? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:49:32 -0600 From: "Randy Smith " Subject: KR> same person To: Message-ID: <001701c4f77f$cc5953d0$bfc8b944@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Is the Virgil Salisbury the same one that lives in Florida that always worked the KR booth. ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:04:09 -0600 From: "Randy Smith " Subject: Re: KR> Making the list To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003701c4f781$d6a00670$bfc8b944@home> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original No I am out of Lake Dallas Texas. Sorry I don't know him. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JIM RALEIGH" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 1:02 PM Subject: Re: KR> Making the list > Randy if you are the Randy Smith from Soddy Daisy > ,Tenn. or if you know of him I would like to hear from you. He was the > original purchaser of my KR2S project and I need to get the original > invoice > from KR for the Kit. Jim Raleigh > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randy Smith " > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 9:17 AM > Subject: KR> Making the list > > >> I have noticed when I reply to the KR list that some times it will post > and sometimes it goes to the person that made the last post. This happened > to me with Gene Leone. Maybe that is why we don't see all the messages? >> _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:15:27 -0600 From: "Randy Smith " Subject: Re: KR> Corvair mount KR2 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004701c4f783$6c186110$bfc8b944@home> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original That is a real nice installation of a corvair engine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:07 PM Subject: Re: KR> Corvair mount KR2 > Patricia wrote: > >> I've been working on my Corvair engine mount for my KR2. The engine tray > is >> complete but I'm unable to find the length of the tubes from the tray to > the >> fire wall in the manual Can anyone give me a hand with this ? > > Do the photos about 2/3 of the way down at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/mount_fit.html help? In > particular, http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/01112713.jpg ... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:47:22 -0600 From: rhartwig11@juno.com Subject: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050110.204723.1156.1.rhartwig11@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Another issue might be to placard no LSA operations while carrying >passengers, and limit fuel under LSA operations. Sport Pilot regs won't allow this. Once an aircraft is out of spec for an LSA it cannot be returned to a status that would allow it to be operated by a Sport Pilot. Dick H. ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:58:30 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050110.220140.316.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Re-engineer the center spars!!!, Virg On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:57:25 -0500 "Ron Freiberger" writes: > I'll bet you meant 50 indicated. A long way from LSA. > > I worked on a KRSport plan, and my indications were to use > constant > chord and add 48 inches to the span. Putting it in the stubs is a > good > idea, from both fuel carrying and convenience. Based on my prior > experience with a very wide stance on a Jodel D11, I might move the > gear > out a bit too. > > Another issue might be to placard no LSA operations while carrying > passengers, and limit fuel under LSA operations. > > Ron Freiberger > mail to rfreiberger at swfla.rr.com <- substitute an @ sign ;o) > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On > Behalf Of Brian Kraut > Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 7:40 PM > To: KRnet > Subject: RE: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? > > Can't comment on the rest, but I can say that my stock KR-2 would > stall > under 50 MPH. It wouldn't do that at gross, but if you built a > light > KR, > kept the gross weight low, and added a few feet to the wing, or > better > yet, > a few feet to the stubs, you could easily have a stall speed under > 50. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf > Of > Rick Human > Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 6:20 PM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? > > > I don't think I missed any points - I was answering the question as > to > why > anyone would want to go from 160 to 140. > > I've been following the KR for better than 20 yrs - construction of > mine > (now in flight test) for 18 - I'm convinced that if you go back and > search > the archives as well as the old KR newsletter you will find that > the > average > with anything under 100hp is a 140 mph airplane. The only question > is > the > "clean" stall speed and there is documentation out ther that a < 50 > mph > stall is also achievable (espically with the 3 ft wing extension as > on > the > Diehl wing skins). > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randy Smith " > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 10:05 PM > Subject: Fw: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? > > > > You missed the point. There are a lot of planes that fit into the > LSA > > category. His is a sail plane,It fits. I could be wrong but I > think > you > are > > going to have a hard time convincing the (friendly) FAA that a KR > will > > fit.There are to many already out there and they have a reputation > for > > speed. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rick Human" > > To: "KRnet" > > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 10:32 AM > > Subject: Re: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? > > > > > > > If you ever had to put out >$4k in medical tests to satisfy the > FAA > you > > > would know why. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Randy Smith " > > > To: "gleone" ; "KRnet" > > > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 8:38 PM > > > Subject: Re: KR> Is a KR1 a LSA? > > > > > > > > >>Why > > >> build a 160 mph plane down to 130 mph? > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 14 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================