From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 140 Date: 4/8/2005 11:33:27 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: west system (Scott Cable) 2. Re: Yahoo! Photos - My KR2 S Project (Glasseyegav) 3. Re: Yahoo! Photos - My KR2 S Project (Glasseyegav) 4. Re: Yahoo! Photos - My KR2 S Project (Steve Eberhart) 5. Re: Yahoo! Photos - My KR2 S Project (Glasseyegav) 6. Re: Re: west system (patrusso) 7. Re: Round Runways (joe) 8. Re: Re: west system (larry severson) 9. Re: RV Flip/Crosswinds (Orma) 10. Re: west system (Mark Langford) 11. Re: Re: west system (Orma) 12. West Systems / Pinhole filler (Mark Jones) 13. Re: Re: west system (Joseph H. Horton) 14. west system (Oscar Zuniga) 15. KRNet birthday (Oscar Zuniga) 16. RE: Re: RV Flip/Crosswinds (Doug Rupert) 17. Re: west system (Ameet Savant) 18. Stuff for Sale (Steve Glover) 19. Crosswinds (Colin & Bev Rainey) 20. Re: west system (Jeff Scott) 21. mounting the gear? (Jerry Morris) 22. RE: Crosswinds (Dana Overall) 23. RE: Crosswinds (Mark Jones) 24. RE: Crosswinds (Mark Jones) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:03:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> west system To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050408040347.94286.qmail@web53002.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kieth, I have experience with both, my preference is the West System for a number of reasons: 1.) Buy the pump kit-makes dispensing the product very easy and accurate. 2.) I've wetted out Fiberglass, Carbon fiber and Kevlar with both systems, I perfer the West System because I just got better results with the West System. 3.) The fumes are not nearly as bad as Aeropoxy and others-still remember to wear your resperator and latex or nitrile gloves. No matter what resin system you use, it's just a matter of time before you start having allergic reactions from being around the stuff. Most folks seem to tolerate the West system longer. 4.) I know that I'm probably opening a can of worms here, but the West system is used extensively in marine appications because parts made with it don't absorb moisture as much as other systems. If you check with other groups (such as the Canard or Longeze group) they will tell you to stay away from the West System and to use Aeropoxy. Remember the application, primary structural glass over foam. Kr's fiberglass parts are generally non-structural. Keith Crawford wrote: What are the thoughts about using west systems verses using aeropoxy or some other resin? Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Better first dates. More second dates. Yahoo! Personals ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 16:58:28 +1000 From: "Glasseyegav" Subject: Re: KR> Yahoo! Photos - My KR2 S Project To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005301c53c08$5e98bc00$0100000a@vic.bigpond.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" . The picture of your left wing stub I see somthing just above the > main spar that looks like it must be some kind of opening for cabin cooling. Yup it's a home grown NACA duct for cabin ventilation, I think i've made it too big though, time will tell. I just marked out the shape on the 3mm ply sidewall, and cut out the rear section with a jigsaw. Next I cut the front surface where it bends in with a sharp knife to just cut the top ply and bent the cut out piece in, the rest is made from 2 bid which was just laid up flat on my workbench then cut to size and shape and glued into position. . Also did you make your own engine mount? I am installing an 0200 Did you have some kind of jig to make you mount? Any tips? thanks Jim Yup made the engine mount myself too from some drawings kindly supplied by Jeff Scott. It was a lot easier than I thought it would be!! I made a mock firewall with the holes drilled to the engine mount pattern, and laid it down on the bench. Then I made another template for the bolt pattern to suit the O200 from some 1/4" scrap ply. Next I cut four pieces of 2"x2" and nailed them in position to space in between the two, so the engine template sat 12" above the mock firewall in a position to put the thrust line in line with the top fuselage longeron. Then it was just a matter of building the engine mount between these two flat parallel surfaces. I used a mig welder to tack everything together so it didn't get the ply sheets too hot and burn them, and then I removed the mount from the jig and gas welded it all together. I've added a couple of pics to my yahoo photos page so you can copy the plans out if you wish, or if you send me your address offline I'll send them to you. Gav ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 17:00:23 +1000 From: "Glasseyegav" Subject: Re: KR> Yahoo! Photos - My KR2 S Project To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006701c53c08$a2e2baa0$0100000a@vic.bigpond.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" http://au.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/glasseyegav/album?.dir=a154 Sorry all heres the link again. Gav ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 03:10:49 -0500 From: Steve Eberhart Subject: Re: KR> Yahoo! Photos - My KR2 S Project To: KRnet Message-ID: <42563C89.4090005@newtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Glasseyegav wrote: > >. The picture of your left wing stub I see somthing just above the > > >>main spar that looks like it must be some kind of opening for cabin >> >> >cooling. > > > Gav, Are you using the 18% tapering to the 16% airfoil or the constant 16%? Can't wait to hear how the stability is with the Mole horns on the elevator. Your plane sure looks nice. Steve Eberhart ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 17:27:55 +1000 From: "Glasseyegav" Subject: Re: KR> Yahoo! Photos - My KR2 S Project To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <010801c53c0c$7b958dc0$0100000a@vic.bigpond.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Are you using the 18% tapering to the 16% airfoil or the constant 16%? Your plane sure looks nice. Thanks I like the look of it too, I'm using 5048 at the root and the 5046 at the tip. The wings as you see them there still have to get the 8" tip extensions added to them. Gav ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 06:43:57 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> Re: west system To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001601c53c27$de8dc030$1ca672d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I used the west system exclusively on my latest KR project. I found it much easier to work with and less toxic than other epoxies that I have used. Also comparable in cost and available at most marine supply stores. Will it stand the test of time,.....I suppose only time will tell,...... tho I have used it for many years ( in boat repair) with out failure. Pat Russo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha Crawford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:00 PM Subject: KR> Re: west system > Hi All > > I know the question has came up before but I cant find a good answer > in the archives. so. > > What are the thoughts about using west systems verses using airopox or > some other resin? > > Thanks > Keith Crawford > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 06:35:35 -0700 From: "joe" Subject: Re: KR> Round Runways To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001001c53c3f$d8c19a60$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Moffett NAS airship hangers(2) were still there a few years ago. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Rupert" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: RE: KR> Round Runways > > > A lot of the early military strips were round due to the usage of > airships which always had to land directly into the wind. Some had > mooring posts in the center which were eventually removed and paved > over. After the airplane > came into wide acceptance by the military after WW1 these round strips were > used as training bases for the reasons mentioned in earlier posts. > Moffat Field NAS still had one along with the old airship hangers in > the 1960's. Probably gone by now though. Doug Rupert > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.4 - Release Date: 4/6/2005 > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 07:32:07 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> Re: west system To: KRnet , KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050408073046.00c20a90@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >What are the thoughts about using west systems verses using airopox or >some other resin? The experts at Chino ALL say, "Use the West System for cosmetic, DO NOT use it for structural!" Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:49:00 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: KR> Re: RV Flip/Crosswinds To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <015f01c53c4a$1adbb520$0202a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Not KR, but back to crosswinds. One of the RV guys at my airport, knows and fly's with the guy that flipped the RV. The guy has a broken neck and the passenger had his ear sewn up. He was a 500 hour plus pilot, and had owned the RV for a while. My friend did stated that he lost it in the cross wind. Orma ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 09:50:03 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> west system To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <05bb01c53c4a$efdece10$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Scott Cable wrote: > 3.) The fumes are not nearly as bad as Aeropoxy This gives the impression that Aeropoxy is smelly. I have to stick my nose pretty close to it to smell it at all (without a respirator), so West must be totally oderless! Aeropoxy is maybe 1/50th as "odiferous" as something like Vinylester. I've never tried West, but once I found Aeropoxy I quit looking for anything better. I measure it by weight on a scale that reads by the gram. I don't think a pump can match that kind of accuracy, especially after it gets a few years on it. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:08:45 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Re: west system To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <017101c53c4c$dcb9eac0$0202a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original As far as West system goes, I have to say me too. I have found it easy to mix (with available pumps). It has both a fast and a slow catalyst. The odor is OK. It dries well without residue. Back some years when I was teaching structures in an A&P school, I devised a project for the students to glue together two scarfed pieces of 5/8 pine stock, similar to what would be done to repair or extend a spruce longeron in the KR. After the epoxy has cured each student had to test his piece to failure by adding lead weights to a bucket, which was supported by the pine structure. In each case there was never a failure of the glue joint. The student was not allowed to pass the wood class unless his glue joint held together. We always used West System. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:39:26 -0500 From: Mark Jones Subject: KR> West Systems / Pinhole filler To: "KR Net (E-mail)" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F3549D9C5@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" West Systems epoxy makes an excellent pinhole filler. I know this by actual experience. After you have done your fiberglass lay up, there is always the pinhole issue to deal with. The simple solution is to mix up a batch (does not take much) of West and using a plastic putty spreader, coat the area of pin holes to be filled. West epoxy is thin enough where it will run in and fill the pin holes and not just cover them. When doing this method, be sure to squeegee off all excess. The West will completely dry and not leave a sticky surface even with humidity in the air. DO NOT try this method of pinhole filling with any other epoxy because you will wind up with a sticky surface. I personally used Aeropoxy entirely throughout my aircraft and used the West as a pinhole filler only. Mark Jones Mueller Sales Corporation 3725 North 126th Street Brookfield, WI 53005 PH: 800-242-2219 PH: 262-781-5310 FAX: 262-781-4130 Email: mjones@muellersales.com Web Site: www.muellersales.com ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:41:21 -0400 From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: Re: KR> Re: west system To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050408.114122.2256.2.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Larry -- Please be more specific. This is the first negative report that I know of in the 9 years that I have been building . I used the West system for all glass lay ups in my KR. Not for wood. I did replace the pumps about 1 1/2 years ago just because that had become gooey and hard to clean. The only thing that someone needs to keep aware of in pumping is to make sure you do not get air in and the pump is cycled full up and down. The odor is very low. I do not remember anything in their tech. data that would indicate a problem or any one on this list before saying there was trouble with West. Joe Horton -- "Soon to fly with no fear of doing it with West Systems" On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 07:32:07 -0700 larry severson writes: > > >What are the thoughts about using west systems verses using airopox > or > >some other resin? > > The experts at Chino ALL say, "Use the West System for cosmetic, DO > NOT use > it for structural!" > > > Larry Severson > Fountain Valley, CA 92708 > (714) 968-9852 > larry2@socal.rr.com > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Joe Horton joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:58:54 -0500 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> west system To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Mark L. wrote- >This gives the impression that Aeropoxy is smelly. I have to stick my >nose pretty close to it to smell it at all (without a respirator) Roger that! I worked with Aeropoxy in my garage (connected to my house) for several years, doing large layups, and never a whimper from my wife or daughters. But just let me spray paint a metal fitting or open a can of solvent and I'd hear about it within 5 minutes. Aeropoxy really is mild. >I don't think a pump can match that kind of accuracy, especially after >it gets a few years on it. The pumps used with West Systems are like the ketchup and mustard dispensers at the burger place... you have one pump per container, pump down on each and get a shot of each. The stroke on each pump (resin and hardner) are different, as are the plunger sizes, so you just pump equal pumps of each and get a perfect ratio every time. It's not the metering type of pump that draws from two containers into one outlet. I use the West System pumps for my Aeropoxy (with the proper size pumps to get the exact Aeropoxy ratio). I love it. You pump as much or as little as you need, no weighing, no eyeballing. If you're at the end of a layup and haven't mixed enough, you just walk over and pump some more and mix it up... again, no mess and no weighing. As someone else mentioned, you just need to make sure to keep the containers full so you don't suck air into the pumps and not get a full stroke of the pump. Picture of my pumps at http://flysquirrel.net/pumps01.jpg This is another thread that has come up repeatedly on this list ("will a plane built with West System fall apart?") and it's the old "less filling... more taste" argument over and over again ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 11:20:27 -0500 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> KRNet birthday To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed As long as it's Friday, I'll throw out this factoid: the "new" KRNet, the mylist one we're on right now, was born two years ago tomorrow. And that one rose from the ashes of an earlier list, if memory serves. Thanks to Mark L. for his efforts in maintaining this forum. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 12:46:34 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> Re: RV Flip/Crosswinds To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000f01c53c5a$876c44b0$a604e440@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Just goes to show that it doesn't matter how much stick time you have, no-one is immune to over extension of the aircraft's capabilities as well as the pilot's. Doug Not KR, but back to crosswinds. One of the RV guys at my airport, knows and fly's with the guy that flipped the RV. The guy has a broken neck and the passenger had his ear sewn up. He was a 500 hour plus pilot, and had owned the RV for a while. My friend did stated that he lost it in the cross wind. Orma -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.4 - Release Date: 4/6/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:04:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Ameet Savant Subject: Re: KR> west system To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050408170419.71917.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I remember some time ago when I was evaluating epoxy resins, I found the West system was not "as strong" as some other products available. West can be used in structural applications but you will have to modify your design accordingly. So far as the KR design goes it is essentially a wood airplane and using West for non load bearing parts could be done without much redesign. Besides the pumps and low odor etc. what I really like about the west system is that it is available at pretty much every boat sales/repair shop around the country, saving a lot of money on shipping and hazardous material handling fees. Also, some of the other epoxy resins on the market used West as a basis to derive their own product. (This might be heresay.. but I thought I will include what I heard) Anyway... just my opinion. Thanks Ameet Savant Happy Birthday to KRNET ! __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:06:58 -0700 From: "Steve Glover" Subject: KR> Stuff for Sale To: "KR Net" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Netters, Well, since it appears I am full speed ahead on the Corvair change over, I will be selling off the parts from my 2180 engine. I am taking offers on everything from intake to ignition. E-mail me direct with your needs. Steve Glover KR-2 N902G AJO, Ca Steve Glover KR-2 N902G AJO, Ca ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 13:17:02 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Crosswinds To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007701c53c5e$c8f88610$c7432141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Several questions need to be asked of the RV pilot before rendering any form of evaluation of whether he made a good call or not, and just got bit by unexpected wind gusts. How much recency did he have at the time of the accident? How much of that time was cross country, and how much was maintaining proficiency in landings? How much of that 500 hours was in the RV? When was his last flight review? This would give an indication when the last time that a "second opinion" of his flight skills was rendered. How much total time in type? Conventional or trigear? The Principle of Primacy makes us want to revert back to whatever our primary training was in the further away we are from recency in a new or different model. What does Van publish is the recommended cross wind component for the model he was flying? More than enough models have been completed to find this information documented. How long had he been flying that day before attempting that landing? Many times good pilots who normally would not make a mistake or would be able to handle a given situation get bit because they are fatigued and don't recognize its impact on their flying until the point when they no longer can fix the problem. Were there any distractions or problems right before landing that prevented this pilot from being able to make a good/safe landing? Take this opportunity to study what happened to this pilot, who thankfully did not die nor his passenger, and pose these other questions to your self as you plan your first and subsequent flights. I personally think that BEFORE a first flight, or any flight in a model with little to no experience solo, a pilot should have nearly the same proficiency and skill level as he did the day he got his last rating. If not take a CFI WITH experience in that type of plane with you. Once our KR is back in service I intend on assisting as many KR pilots log some time getting acquainted with a KR similar to their ship. Other makes have this, and their safety record is great. Ours should too. Engine out of the back of the truck and on the stand.... Colin & Beverly Rainey Apex Lending, Inc. 407-323-6960 (p) 407-557-3260 (f) www.eloan2004cr.com crainey@apexlending.com ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 17:18:13 GMT From: "Jeff Scott" Subject: Re: KR> west system To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050408.101836.28529.259300@webmail11.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain More taste! My KR has all of the wood glued together with West Epoxy. 500+ hours over 8 years flying with no glue related issues. The laminates on my KR are a real mixed bag. Some parts are vinylester and some are Safe-T-Poxy. Jeff Scott A&P / KR builder -- "Oscar Zuniga" wrote: Mark L. wrote- This is another thread that has come up repeatedly on this list ("will a plane built with West System fall apart?") and it's the old "less filling... more taste" argument over and over again ;o) Oscar Zuniga ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:02:48 -0600 From: "Jerry Morris" Subject: KR> mounting the gear? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <4256C748.6020205@nsc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed when mounting the gear, how much toe in? camber? thanks jerry kr1-s ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:27:55 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: KR> Crosswinds To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Several questions need to be asked of the RV pilot before rendering any >form of evaluation of whether he made a good call or not, and just got bit >by unexpected wind gusts. >How much recency did he have at the time of the accident? >How much of that time was cross country, and how much was maintaining >proficiency in landings? >How much of that 500 hours was in the RV? >When was his last flight review? This would give an indication when the >last time that a "second opinion" of his flight skills was rendered. >How much total time in type? Conventional or trigear? The Principle of >Primacy makes us want to If it was the same one as in Michigan last weekend, the pilot is a very experieced RV formation pilot with over 600 hours in his taildragger RV. The winds were 90 degrees, gusting to 25mph. The airplane touched down, drifted off the side of the runway then flipped. The pilot will be in a neck brace for 12 weeks with the passenger having cuts and bruises. Be careful with the spring winds. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 13:33:19 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: KR> Crosswinds To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F3549D9CD@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey Dana, how about some new pics of your KR. Would like to see how far along you are. Mark Jones (N886MJ....4.9 flight hours) Wales, WI -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dana Overall Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 1:28 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: RE: KR> Crosswinds >Several questions need to be asked of the RV pilot before rendering any >form of evaluation of whether he made a good call or not, and just got bit >by unexpected wind gusts. >How much recency did he have at the time of the accident? >How much of that time was cross country, and how much was maintaining >proficiency in landings? >How much of that 500 hours was in the RV? >When was his last flight review? This would give an indication when the >last time that a "second opinion" of his flight skills was rendered. >How much total time in type? Conventional or trigear? The Principle of >Primacy makes us want to If it was the same one as in Michigan last weekend, the pilot is a very experieced RV formation pilot with over 600 hours in his taildragger RV. The winds were 90 degrees, gusting to 25mph. The airplane touched down, drifted off the side of the runway then flipped. The pilot will be in a neck brace for 12 weeks with the passenger having cuts and bruises. Be careful with the spring winds. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 13:34:09 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: KR> Crosswinds To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F3549D9CE@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Did I say KR? Meant RV -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+mjones=muellersales.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+mjones=muellersales.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Jones Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 1:33 PM To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> Crosswinds Hey Dana, how about some new pics of your KR. Would like to see how far along you are. Mark Jones (N886MJ....4.9 flight hours) Wales, WI -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dana Overall Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 1:28 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: RE: KR> Crosswinds >Several questions need to be asked of the RV pilot before rendering any >form of evaluation of whether he made a good call or not, and just got bit >by unexpected wind gusts. >How much recency did he have at the time of the accident? >How much of that time was cross country, and how much was maintaining >proficiency in landings? >How much of that 500 hours was in the RV? >When was his last flight review? This would give an indication when the >last time that a "second opinion" of his flight skills was rendered. >How much total time in type? Conventional or trigear? The Principle of >Primacy makes us want to If it was the same one as in Michigan last weekend, the pilot is a very experieced RV formation pilot with over 600 hours in his taildragger RV. The winds were 90 degrees, gusting to 25mph. The airplane touched down, drifted off the side of the runway then flipped. The pilot will be in a neck brace for 12 weeks with the passenger having cuts and bruises. Be careful with the spring winds. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 140 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================