From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 175 Date: 5/3/2005 9:00:21 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: more on vapor lock (Doug Rupert) 2. R?f. : Re: KR> Ribs, Foam and Plywood (Serge VIDAL) 3. Ribs, Foam and Plywood - replacement parts for Serge (Stephen Jacobs) 4. R?f. : KR> Ribs, Foam and Plywood - replacement parts for Serge (Serge VIDAL) 5. Re: Found a KR-2 to buy (Dan Heath) 6. Re: more on vapor lock (Orma) 7. Re: more on vapor lock (Mark Langford) 8. Re: Found a KR-2 to buy (Bryon Nesbitt) 9. Re: Found a KR-2 to buy (Mark Langford) 10. Re: DAR vs FAA (Joseph H. Horton) 11. Re: more on vapor lock (Orma) 12. fuel filler cap o-rings? (Mark Langford) 13. Re: fuel filler cap o-rings? (Joseph H. Horton) 14. Re: more on vapor lock (Richard Anderson) 15. Found a KR-2 to buy (John Bouyea) 16. RE: internet friend or foe (Doug Rupert) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 00:58:53 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> more on vapor lock To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <008a01c54f9c$d04a4d30$5886acce@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Keep on solving. Just got mine home today and it is now sitting on a pallet in the barn awaiting initial teardown. Hopefully the rebuild will go better than picking the engine up and transporting her home. Doug Rupert -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 4/29/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:21:36 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : Re: KR> Ribs, Foam and Plywood To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am not too sure, but they are most probably made of Epoxy. By the way, they were not made by Dan Diehl. They were made in South Africa, where one guy used to have a KR2 license from Ken Rand, and was manufacturing and marketing the pre-molded parts locally. Serge "Phillip Matheson" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem.com@mylist.net 2005-05-03 00:53 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-05-03 00:53 Pour : "KRnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: KR> Ribs, Foam and Plywood Serge Are the wing skins made of Vinyl ester resin? If so ONLY use V/ester resin to reglue them, some epoxies do not stick very well to v/ester. If you are not sure ask Dan Diehl, he makes the skins. web page http://www.diehlaero.com/ Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR Construction web page at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:55:57 +0200 From: "Stephen Jacobs" Subject: KR> Ribs, Foam and Plywood - replacement parts for Serge To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001b01c54fbd$ef7bfa20$2664a8c0@stephen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" By the way, they were not made by Dan Diehl. They were made in South Africa, where one guy used to have a KR2 license from Ken Rand, and was manufacturing and marketing the pre-molded parts locally. +++++++++++ If you ever need new parts - you can get exact replacements (from the same moulds) - I gather from Jaco Swanepoel [jacoswnpl@yahoo.com] that Peter Eich still has the moulds and offers: (Prices may have changes slightly) Wing skins - ZAR (US$ 1,250) Stub wing - ZAR 2,000 ($335) Cowling - ZAR 1,200 ($200) Spinner - ZAR 800 ($135) Very nice canopies (stretched / widened) are available ex CT - ZAR 1500 ($250). This included fitting to the pre-made canopy frame. Can also be tinted. Did you have any hassles converting a ZS PPL to Europe - I gather that the Euro / UK (JAR) requirements are stiff? Take care Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 11:23:18 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : KR> Ribs, Foam and Plywood - replacement parts for Serge To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Good to know that Peter Eich is still in business. By the way, he has a wonderful KR2 part: seats backrests. I bought mine from him for about $80, and they are great. A bit of upholstery on top, and job done. I can testify that his cowling and spinners are great, too. With regards to the South African PPL, it is pretty easy to convert in a UK PPL. But in that case, your license is stamped "foreing conversion", and then, the other JAR states have no obligation to let you fly. The French would not convert my SA license, so I have to redo a PPL here. My only exemption is my fight time is valid. Go figure... Serge "Stephen Jacobs" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-05-03 10:55 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-05-03 10:58 Pour : "'KRnet'" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Ribs, Foam and Plywood - replacement parts for Serge By the way, they were not made by Dan Diehl. They were made in South Africa, where one guy used to have a KR2 license from Ken Rand, and was manufacturing and marketing the pre-molded parts locally. +++++++++++ If you ever need new parts - you can get exact replacements (from the same moulds) - I gather from Jaco Swanepoel [jacoswnpl@yahoo.com] that Peter Eich still has the moulds and offers: (Prices may have changes slightly) Wing skins - ZAR (US$ 1,250) Stub wing - ZAR 2,000 ($335) Cowling - ZAR 1,200 ($200) Spinner - ZAR 800 ($135) Very nice canopies (stretched / widened) are available ex CT - ZAR 1500 ($250). This included fitting to the pre-made canopy frame. Can also be tinted. Did you have any hassles converting a ZS PPL to Europe - I gather that the Euro / UK (JAR) requirements are stiff? Take care Steve J _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 05:57:44 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Found a KR-2 to buy To: Message-ID: <42774B18.000003.03792@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Tell us what you want. Do you want a complete flying KR, or something to get started. How much do you want completed when you buy? See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- I'm just trying to be an informed buyer Thanks for your help Bryon ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 08:49:18 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> more on vapor lock To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006801c54fde$86a3e870$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Mark Your plan to recalculate fuel to help prevent vapor lock sounds good. After looking at your picture I see two simple things that could be done to help prevent the heat that causes vapor lock. Your plumbing is tightly grouped in the lower portion of the firewall between the mount. It looks like this is the exit area for cowling air. These parts will be blasted with heated air from the engine, and radiated with heat from both the firewall and the two exhaust pipes. You could build a shield around that area and pipe cool air from the pressure side of the cowl to keep the reflected heat from soaking into the plumbing. Secondly you could use fire sleeve to provide more insulation to the actual plumbing. Piper isolated it's pump and gasolator under a shielded area. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 08:00:34 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> more on vapor lock To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <015b01c54fe0$1856af90$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Orma wrote: > You could build a shield around that area and pipe cool > air from the pressure side of the cowl to keep the reflected heat from > soaking into the plumbing. Secondly you could use fire sleeve to > provide more insulation to the actual plumbing. Yep, I'll do the shield if necessary, but some of that stuff is going away now. I could even roll it on the bottom and optimize flow as it exits the cowlingThat's an old photo, taken just as I set it all up. It's thoroughly firesleeved now. This stuff is all fairly minor now. I could just fly it just like it is...just can't let it idle for 20 minutes, which is probably not the end of the world. But I'd like to eliminate as many known problems as posssible before I fly it. Thanks, Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 06:24:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryon Nesbitt Subject: Re: KR> Found a KR-2 to buy To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050503132453.2281.qmail@web50301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What I looking at and looking for is a airplane that is complete or close to being complete. The one I found in Portland is complete and flying. I don't know what questions I need to answers for about the plane. Thanks Bryon Dan Heath wrote: Tell us what you want. Do you want a complete flying KR, or something to get started. How much do you want completed when you buy? See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- I'm just trying to be an informed buyer Thanks for your help Bryon _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 08:37:19 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Found a KR-2 to buy To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <017501c54fe5$3aad2ce0$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" One source of KR buying information is an article that Jeff Scott wrote in the September 1996 issue of "KROnline", available at the bottom of http://www.krnet.org/kronline/ . Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 09:34:28 -0400 From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: Re: KR> DAR vs FAA To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050503.093429.3336.2.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Guys, I just spoke to the local FSDO and he will be getting back to me as his men were out on the road already. But it sounded promising to be able to get an inspection. The MIDO gentleman told me to forward the paper to who ever I get it set up with. Thanks for the help Joe Horton On Mon, 2 May 2005 20:18:17 -0500 "Bob Glidden" writes: > Joe > That is a crock of crapp,it may take them a little bit to get out to > you,but > I have never heard of them not doing them.Since he wants you to send > all the > paperwork to him first it sounds like he is just to lazy to drive > out.I > would call the FAA headquarters and find out why they are not doing > > them,don't take his word for it.And if it is a AB-DAR you are > using,I think > all they can charge you is mileage...But I'm not an expert on the > AB-DAR > subject,I deal with the FAA on certified aircraft.Happy > building...Bob > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joseph H. Horton" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 1:46 PM > Subject: Re: KR> DAR vs FAA > > > Guys > I spoke with the Harrisburg, Pa. inspection office last week. They > will > not do the inspection any more. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Joe Horton joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:43:50 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> more on vapor lock To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007a01c54fee$85eade60$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original "just can't let it idle for 20 minutes" Since I installed the turbo I have not tried to run on the ground for as long as twenty minutes. On an 80 + degree day, I might be in trouble. I did wrap as many of the exhaust pipes as I could. I still might have to install a box around the gasolator to keep it from becoming a percolator for the fuel. You should get airborne as soon as you can to ensure that you can solve all the problems that only show up in the air and still have time to fly off restrictions before the gathering. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 11:27:40 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> fuel filler cap o-rings? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <01a401c54ffd$06d94670$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" KRNetHeads, I have a pair of GPASC fuel filler caps in my plane ("fiberglass fuel cap and neck" at the bottom of http://www.greatplainsas.com/scfuel.html ), and I have apparently lost the o-rings out of them. Can I talk somebody out of the dimensions (I'd guess 3/16" by 1.4" od) of these things so I can order some. GPASC doesn't sell replacments so I'll get them locally or from McMaster Carr. Thanks, Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 12:28:36 -0400 From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: Re: KR> fuel filler cap o-rings? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050503.122837.3336.4.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mark I'm headed home now - I'll measure and get back to you this afternoon Joe On Tue, 3 May 2005 11:27:40 -0500 "Mark Langford" writes: > KRNetHeads, > > I have a pair of GPASC fuel filler caps in my plane ("fiberglass > fuel cap and neck" at the bottom of > http://www.greatplainsas.com/scfuel.html ), and I have apparently > lost the o-rings out of them. Can I talk somebody out of the > dimensions (I'd guess 3/16" by 1.4" od) of these things so I can > order some. GPASC doesn't sell replacments so I'll get them locally > or from McMaster Carr. > > Thanks, > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Joe Horton joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 13:34:22 -0500 From: Richard Anderson Subject: Re: KR> more on vapor lock To: KRnet Message-ID: <00f601c5500e$baa7cad0$0300a8c0@JimAnn> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original You could build a sheild. Im not building a plane but could'nt you use inswool in between the shield or just rap your fuel lines with it. It's good for 2300 Deg. It comes in different thicknesses 1 and 2 inch matt and is the material that they uses for gas forges and melting pots for steel . It is light weight and is sorta like fiberglass insulation and would possibly be good for a sandwich layer around the fusalage area and firewall since it would take a lot of heat to get it past 2300 deg. Wear a resperator when fooling with the stuff as it gets in the air and into your lungs. Mark your sitie is way cool and I enjoy your input along with most the rest. No time Rick! ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 17:54:00 -0700 From: "John Bouyea" Subject: KR> Found a KR-2 to buy To: "KRNet" Message-ID: <000e01c55043$c2cd9110$0301a8c0@dell4600> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Byron. I live in Hillsboro and would like to offer to be of assistance if I can help. Drop me an email offline and let me know if I can help you. John Bouyea KR2 - hanging the engine accessories KR2S - boat hanging from the rafters john_0310@bouyea.net www.bouyea.net Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 18:49:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryon Nesbitt Subject: KR> Found a KR-2 to buy Hi netters, I found a KR-2 in Portland Or. for sale. I've spent about 3 wks just "listening" to this forum and searching the archives. What I would like to find out is: What do I need to look for or at when buying a plane. I do know it has a 2185 VW engine, retracts. I'm just trying to be an informed buyer Thanks for your help Bryon ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 23:16:47 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: KR> internet friend or foe To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c55057$b6d44a70$2f04e440@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Good point Don. I for one appreciate any and all comments as anyone who hangs around here for long ends up broadening their horizons as well as education. Anyone that takes one comment that is not substantiated as gospel is well on the way to destruction. It does not matter the medium whether internet or print as there are always those out there that will try and profess their expertise at many things. Usually these are for personal gain or to get you to buy something. Many here need to remember the classification of the aircraft we are building as well as the power-plants we choose to use. EXPERIMENTAL. We work out there on the fringe and that is the real kick in our endeavors. We create or dreams and hold the course till we have achieved the required end. Many items that now grace the cockpit of certificated aircraft once got their start in experimental aircraft. I for one really like this new medium we call the internet as it allows us access to much more information than we would generally have. The fact that we have both the KRNet and Corvair list at our disposal allows us to make informed choices when constructing our own projects. Much time and energy is saved by making mistakes that others have or trying something that others have proven don't work. I can't help wondering what Ken would think if he could see or ride in some of the KR's being built today. Bill Clapp's or Troy Pettaway's come immediately to mind. Think of it, no we can't duplicate Ken's empty weight but we can come close. Today we routinely outperform the original KR's with the new airfoil or Corvair engines. I sincerely doubt that there are many of us that would take to the air without at least a basic compliment of flight instruments as well as navigation equipment. The pitch sensitivity issue that once plagued this wonderful design is now a thing of the past and many KR's taking to the air these days can be flown hands off for periods of time. We have come a long way since the original design debuted so long ago and now we have gotten to a point where many of our machines are KR's in name only due to design changes that have been instituted and proven over the years by those that have gone before us. Even Orma's KR is not immune and has undergone changes since it was originally built twenty years ago so I for one say keep those comments coming. Doug Rupert -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.2 - Release Date: 5/2/2005 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 175 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================