From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 177 Date: 5/4/2005 9:00:15 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: WAF (Orma) 2. RE: WAF (albert cassar) 3. RE: KR Plans (thepittses@juno.com) 4. RE: WAF (Dan Heath) 5. RE: R?f. : RE: KR> internet friend or foe (Doug Rupert) 6. kr2 (FIXERJONES@aol.com) 7. Re: kr2 (Joe) 8. RE: kr2 (Brian Kraut) 9. Re: WAF (boeing757mech1@aol.com) 10. Re: WAF (Mark Langford) 11. Re: WAF (Stephen and Janet Henderson) 12. RE: WAF (Brian Kraut) 13. Re: WAF (Barry Kruyssen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 17:57:20 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> WAF To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002c01c550f4$3fc4c6b0$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original "Is it permissible to use T88 and a 3/16 wood dowel to plug the mistake" YES!!! Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 08:01:31 +1000 From: "albert cassar" Subject: RE: KR> WAF To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" HI to all I'm new to this list and find that there is an immense amount of info on the KR2 net ,which is grate for someone like me who would like to build a kr2s. I'm from Australia Melbourne . I have scratch built and fly a jodel D18 and know would like a new project , I have chosen to build a KR2S, could some one let me know were I can buy the plans pleas, Thank you Albert Cassar -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of babywolf@aol.com Sent: Thursday, 5 May 2005 7:16 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> WAF -----Original Message----- From: babywolf@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Sent: Wed, 04 May 2005 17:12:32 -0400 Subject: KR> WAF In spite of using the WAF drilling jig on the main spar I missed a little bit. Is it permissible to use T88 and a 3/16 wood dowl to plug the mistake or do I have to make a new spar? Garrry Cowles Santa Fe NM _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 23:11:44 GMT From: "thepittses@juno.com" Subject: RE: KR> KR Plans To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050504.161230.12838.91285@webmail12.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain Try this site http://www.fly-kr.com/ Eric Pitts Indiana -- "albert cassar" wrote: HI to all I'm new to this list and find that there is an immense amount of info on the KR2 net ,which is grate for someone like me who would like to build a kr2s. I'm from Australia Melbourne . I have scratch built and fly a jodel D18 and know would like a new project , I have chosen to build a KR2S, could some one let me know were I can buy the plans pleas, Thank you Albert Cassar ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 19:16:31 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: RE: KR> WAF To: Message-ID: <427957CF.000001.03252@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Go to http://fly-kr.com/ and you will see a fax number and a phone number. I think you can also find the price of the plans. If you send money to them they will send you the plans. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- From: albert cassar Date: 05/04/05 18:02:08 To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> WAF HI to all I'm new to this list and find that there is an immense amount of info on the KR2 net ,which is grate for someone like me who would like to build a kr2s. I'm from Australia Melbourne . I have scratch built and fly a jodel D18 and know would like a new project , I have chosen to build a KR2S, could some one let me know were I can buy the plans pleas, Thank you Albert Cassar -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net >mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net">krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of babywolf@aol.com Sent: Thursday, 5 May 2005 7:16 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> WAF -----Original Message----- From: babywolf@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Sent: Wed, 04 May 2005 17:12:32 -0400 Subject: KR> WAF In spite of using the WAF drilling jig on the main spar I missed a little bit. Is it permissible to use T88 and a 3/16 wood dowl to plug the mistake or do I have to make a new spar? Garrry Cowles Santa Fe NM _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html . ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 21:33:28 -0400 From: "Doug Rupert" Subject: RE: R?f. : RE: KR> internet friend or foe To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <002101c55112$79048e10$8cf5e2d1@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Very true Serge. Don't forget that we can take a certificated airplane and hang an auto conversion on the front and it now falls in the "experimental" class as well. Doug -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.3 - Release Date: 5/3/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 21:51:56 EDT From: FIXERJONES@aol.com Subject: KR> kr2 To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <190.3f4bea2c.2faad63c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" i would like to get as much input as possable from everyone on the fastest known, kr2 flown in continous level flight. reguardless of what powered it? steve jones n212kr ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 21:16:07 -0500 From: "Joe" Subject: Re: KR> kr2 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001601c55118$66417d00$9acab4d8@Denise> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Ken Rand said he got 230 MPH at 18000 feet in his turbo charged 2180 VW. He also had a controllable pitch Propeller. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 8:51 PM Subject: KR> kr2 >i would like to get as much input as possable from everyone on the >fastest known, kr2 flown in continous level flight. reguardless of >what powered it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > steve jones > n212kr > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 22:17:42 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> kr2 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sounds like someone is looking to break that record. When can we expect your next flight report? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of FIXERJONES@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 9:52 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> kr2 i would like to get as much input as possable from everyone on the fastest known, kr2 flown in continous level flight. reguardless of what powered it? steve jones n212kr _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 22:57:58 -0400 From: boeing757mech1@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> WAF To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <8C71F3560864F79-6B0-CA7D@mblk-r39.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Would you trust it with you life? I would be building a new spar. Mine are perfect and I thought about building new ones just because I did like the E.D. that is in the WAF and I wanted to make the spar caps slightly thicker so there is alot more meat at the WAF. Maybe that why I am only about 15% done and going on 8 years. Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ -----Original Message----- From: babywolf@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Sent: Wed, 04 May 2005 17:12:32 -0400 Subject: KR> WAF In spite of using the WAF drilling the main spar I missed a little bit. Is it permissible to use T88 and a 3/16 wood dowl to plug the mistake or do I have to make a new spar? Garrry Cowles Santa Fe NM _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 22:14:20 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> WAF To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <02bb01c55120$87eb8650$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> Would you trust it with you life? I would be building a new spar. >> Mine are perfect and I thought about building new ones just because I did like the E.D. that is in the WAF and I wanted to make the spar caps slightly thicker so there is alot more meat at the WAF. Maybe that why I am only about 15% done and going on 8 years.<< I have to admit that after a while you have to dispense with the idea that it has to be perfect. I suspect that all of us have had to weigh scrapping the whole thing and starting over with a compromise to get it done. Otherwise, we'd never finish. I'll bet you'd be surprised to know what others have gotten away with. I didn't say that, of course. William Wynne has a theory that those who do things and don't know better will get by just fine, but those who know better and do it anyway will have to pay the price. I hope that's not true... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 22:28:25 -0500 From: "Stephen and Janet Henderson" Subject: Re: KR> WAF To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003901c55122$7fdc5050$800101df@shendersonlt> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I would build a new spar. If you don't, it will always be in the back of your mind while you are flying that there could be a problem, that is why I don't take any chances. You have enough to think about while you are flying and the thought of a potential failure from taking a shortcut should not be in your mind at all. Steve In spite of using the WAF drilling the main spar I missed a little bit. Is it permissible to use T88 and a 3/16 wood dowl to plug the mistake or do I have to make a new spar? Garrry Cowles Santa Fe NM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: Re: KR> WAF >>> Would you trust it with you life? I would be building a new spar. >>> Mine > are perfect and I thought about building new ones just because I did > like the E.D. that is in the WAF and I wanted to make the spar caps > slightly thicker so there is alot more meat at the WAF. Maybe that why > I am only about 15% done and going on 8 years.<< > > I have to admit that after a while you have to dispense with the idea > that it has to be perfect. I suspect that all of us have had to weigh > scrapping the whole thing and starting over with a compromise to get > it done. Otherwise, we'd never finish. I'll bet you'd be surprised to > know what others have gotten away with. I didn't say that, of course. > William Wynne > has a theory that those who do things and don't know better will get by > just > fine, but those who know better and do it anyway will have to pay the > price. > I hope that's not true... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 23:30:48 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> WAF To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The A.C. 43.13 in paragraph 1-45 says: In case of elongated bolt holes in a spar, or cracks in the vicinity of bolt holes, splice in a new section of spar, or replace the spar entirely. If ... minimal ... on noncritical fittings, repair may be feasible. The 43.13 was updated in 1998, previously in 1988, and another version before that. Weather or not anyone took into consideration the better epoxies we have since this was originally written who knows how long ago is anyone's guess. My personal feeling without seeing how far the hole was missed is that it MAY be perfectly adequate to repair the hole by filling it with epoxy (don't know about the dowel with the grain in the completely wrong direction). One thing I would look at is what side of the hole will the repair be on? I would think that if you missed along the grain instead of accross it that would be better. This is a question where you will get a lot of opinions and will certainly not get a 100% correct answer from anyone. Add in the usual disclamors about these just being my opinions as I am not a structural engineer or expert in wood repair, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of boeing757mech1@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:58 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> WAF Would you trust it with you life? I would be building a new spar. Mine are perfect and I thought about building new ones just because I did like the E.D. that is in the WAF and I wanted to make the spar caps slightly thicker so there is alot more meat at the WAF. Maybe that why I am only about 15% done and going on 8 years. Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ -----Original Message----- From: babywolf@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Sent: Wed, 04 May 2005 17:12:32 -0400 Subject: KR> WAF In spite of using the WAF drilling the main spar I missed a little bit. Is it permissible to use T88 and a 3/16 wood dowl to plug the mistake or do I have to make a new spar? Garrry Cowles Santa Fe NM _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 13:46:58 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> WAF To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00b001c55125$18b82bd0$7d00a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have to agree with Brian Kraut about not using the dowel. If it was mine I would fill it with epoxy. The method I would use is: 1.. prepare the area and seal the bottom side (assuming the spar is not fitted, else is harder to do) 2.. heat the epoxy to make it very thin (seeps into timber better) 3.. fill the hole (for horizontal holes I seal both sides making a 1/32 hole in the seal at the top on both side and use a syringe to fill the hole, opposite hole is to let air out) 4.. let cure and redrill. This will be stronger than the original timber, in my opinion :-) If you have any doubts, try it on a scrap piece of timber and break it, it should break on one side or the other of the repair, but not on the repair. I have done this numerous times on marine applications, but then again I can swim better than I can fly :-) Results may vary and all the other disclaimers that should apply :-) regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: babywolf@aol.com In spite of using the WAF drilling the main spar I missed a little bit. Is it permissible to use T88 and a 3/16 wood dowl to plug the mistake or do I have to make a new spar? ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 177 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================