From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 187 Date: 5/11/2005 4:57:39 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Empty weight (Serge VIDAL) 2. Re: final weight and balance (Jeff Scott) 3. Re: final weight and balance (Mark Langford) 4. Re: final weight and balance (sph12@sbcglobal.net) 5. RE: final weight and balance (Mark Jones) 6. Re: Empty weight (Donald Reid) 7. Re: HOW MANY DAYS ??? (Joseph H. Horton) 8. Re: final weight and balance (Joseph H. Horton) 9. canopy protection while building (Jerry Morris) 10. Dyeing Seat Belts (rickcoy@comcast.net) 11. Re: canopy protection while building (Dan Heath) 12. kr sanding song (Jerry Morris) 13. KR for Sale (Mark Jones) 14. Re: final weight and balance (Robert L. Stone) 15. T-88 TIP For the lazy or the weak wristed (Ron Smith) 16. Re: final weight and balance (Dan Heath) 17. Re: T-88 TIP For the lazy or the weak wristed (Bernard McLean Sr) 18. Re: T-88 TIP For the lazy or the weak wristed (Dan Heath) 19. Re: final weight and balance (Bob Glidden) 20. Re: Certified engines (was final weight and balance) (Barry Kruyssen) 21. Todd?s Canopy for Sale? (rickcoy@comcast.net) 22. RE: T-88 TIP For the lazy or the weak wristed (Brian Kraut) 23. RE: Certified engines (was final weight and balance) (Brian Kraut) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 16:26:54 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: KR> Empty weight To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes, we are all faced with the same choice: building light, or building at lightspeed! At 321 kg (707.7lb), my KR is on the heavy side, so I am now obsessed with shedding some weight. Especially considering that every year into my marriage increases the pilot's weight by a kilo or two! I noticed that my WAFs'lightenigh holes are all 1/2" diameter, so I probably can increase these holes as per specs. Every little helps. I also considered shedding the aluminum fuel tanks. But they are only 1500g each, for 15 liters each, so they are not worth the effort of making new ribs! Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 16:27:23 GMT From: "Jeff Scott" Subject: Re: KR> final weight and balance To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050511.092758.14782.168953@webmail32.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain You guys are really making me feel good about my KR. When I first finished it, my 721# KR was refered to as fat, bloated, overweight and a few other less than kind adjectives despite being a much larger plane than the KRs of that day. Turns out to be right in the same weight class as the two Marks, whom I consider to both be good quality builders, as well as many others. Maybe they meant the pilot was fat, bloated.... ;o) Keep in mind, those planes will gain weight with age, and in both of the Marks cases, with paint. The last W&B I did had new avionics and a bigger engine, so the plane had grown to 742#. With the modifications I have planned for this summer, it may put on more poundage, but I'm also going to be looking for anyplace that I can shed weight while I work on it. The best place for it to shed weight will probably be the operator in the cockpit. -Jeff Scott -- "Oscar Zuniga" wrote: Mark L. wrote- >I did my "final" weight and balance Monday. Total empty weight is 732 >pounds So... your airplane came in 39 lbs. lighter than Mark Jones'. At about 8.554 lbs. per gallon of sweat, that's only an additional 4.56 gallons of sweat that you put into lightening N56ML over and above Jones' effort. But if we could quantify all of the neuron-level effort-? ;o) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:33:54 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> final weight and balance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <083601c55647$38dea7f0$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OZ wrote: > So... your airplane came in 39 lbs. lighter than Mark Jones'. I'm not exactly sure what it was that I left out, but hope it wasn't important! All I can think of at the moment would be the kitchen sink. There are several places where rethinking and redoing things (like the airfoils) cost me some weight. I'm pretty sure I could build it 10-15 pounds lighter next time around. But keep in mind that I have all the nice stuff like huge electric flaps, full electrical system, giant 130 horsepower engine, landing, nav lights, and strobes, redundant electrical system, two fuel pumps, dual sticks, adjustable horizontal stabilizer, double-walled wing skins, etc. It all adds up, I guess. I just weighed my wings and they are 48 pounds each, but keep in mind that all bellcranks, cables, and connectors are part of my wings, rather than the airplane (like most other KRs). But surely your average KR wing must be far less, especially considering the size of my flaps, ailerons, and aileron counterweights. I've elaborated some more on the weight and balance at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/weightandbalance.html , and provided links to the spreadsheet and a pdf file of it for those who don't have Excel... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:24:35 -0500 From: Subject: Re: KR> final weight and balance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <018001c5564e$4e26f160$800101df@shendersonlt> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Your plane sure looks great Mark, I can't wait to hear about your first flight. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:33 AM Subject: Re: KR> final weight and balance > OZ wrote: > >> So... your airplane came in 39 lbs. lighter than Mark Jones'. > > I'm not exactly sure what it was that I left out, but hope it wasn't > important! All I can think of at the moment would be the kitchen > sink. There are several places where rethinking and redoing things > (like the > airfoils) cost me some weight. I'm pretty sure I could build it 10-15 > pounds lighter next time around. But keep in mind that I have all the > nice > stuff like huge electric flaps, full electrical system, giant 130 > horsepower > engine, landing, nav lights, and strobes, redundant electrical system, two > fuel pumps, dual sticks, adjustable horizontal stabilizer, double-walled > wing skins, etc. It all adds up, I guess. I just weighed my wings and > they > are 48 pounds each, but keep in mind that all bellcranks, cables, and > connectors are part of my wings, rather than the airplane (like most other > KRs). But surely your average KR wing must be far less, especially > considering the size of my flaps, ailerons, and aileron counterweights. > > I've elaborated some more on the weight and balance at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/weightandbalance.html , and provided > links to the spreadsheet and a pdf file of it for those who don't have > Excel... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:46:39 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: KR> final weight and balance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F3549DA83@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I just put my plane on the Atkins diet!!!!! There are a lot of things I could have done to save weight. My turtle deck is one area. It is about two inches taller than stock and way too thick as are my wing skins. Also I have a lot of unnecessary things like strobes, nav lights and landing lights, electric speed brake, etc, etc... As I was building, I had one goal in mind and that was to make a safe cross country flying machine. Passengers will be few and far between as my wife will not even fly in small spam cans. The kids are very light weight so when they fly with me that will be no biggie. The nose gear adds a few more pounds as does the aluminum wing tanks. I added 2 inches in front of the main spar to the fuselage as well as widened it by 3 inches. Maybe a lighter battery would help or I could ditch that heavy T&B indicator that I consider not needed and replace it with a simple ball slip indicator. There are a lot of things to lower the weight but I am happy with the plane the way it is and the easiest way to lower gross weight would be for the pilot to drop about 40 pounds. Mark Jones -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Langford Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:34 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> final weight and balance OZ wrote: > So... your airplane came in 39 lbs. lighter than Mark Jones'. I'm not exactly sure what it was that I left out, but hope it wasn't important! All I can think of at the moment would be the kitchen sink. There are several places where rethinking and redoing things (like the airfoils) cost me some weight. I'm pretty sure I could build it 10-15 pounds lighter next time around. But keep in mind that I have all the nice stuff like huge electric flaps, full electrical system, giant 130 horsepower engine, landing, nav lights, and strobes, redundant electrical system, two fuel pumps, dual sticks, adjustable horizontal stabilizer, double-walled wing skins, etc. It all adds up, I guess. I just weighed my wings and they are 48 pounds each, but keep in mind that all bellcranks, cables, and connectors are part of my wings, rather than the airplane (like most other KRs). But surely your average KR wing must be far less, especially considering the size of my flaps, ailerons, and aileron counterweights. I've elaborated some more on the weight and balance at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/weightandbalance.html , and provided links to the spreadsheet and a pdf file of it for those who don't have Excel... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:24:17 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> Empty weight To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20050511131054.01b2e6b0@mail.peoplepc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:26 AM 5/11/2005, you wrote: >I noticed that my WAFs'lightenigh holes are all 1/2" diameter, so I >probably can increase these holes as per specs. Every little helps. Please note that these holes are not to make the fitting lighter, but a part of the structural design of the fitting. The graduated size is important. Quoting from ANC-18, Design of Wood Aircraft Structures "BEHAVIOR OF DISSIMILAR MATERIALS WORKING TOGETHER When materials of different rigidities such as wood or metal fittings are fastened together ... and are under high stress ... (such as) a long metal strap bolted to a wood spar flange for the purpose of taking the load out of the wood at a wing joint. In order that the load be uniformly distributed among the bolts, the ratio of the stress to the modulus of elasticity should be the same for both materials at every point. This may be approximated in practical structures by tapering the straps and the wood in such a manner that the average stress in each divided by its modulus of elasticity gives the same ratio." This is a fancy engineering way of saying that the material in the metal fitting must be tapered as it progresses away from the removable bolt. That is the point where the load is applied to each fitting. It is more difficult to taper the material in thickness than it is to taper it in equivalent width. That is why the holes increase in size from the outside to the inside. The material that is left then decreases toward the unloaded end of the fitting. The holes should be sized as called in the plans to make the correct fitting. Don Reid - donreid "at" peoplepc.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: AeroFoil, a 2-D Airfoil Design And Analysis Computer Program: http://aerofoilengineering.com KR2XL construction: http://aerofoilengineering.com/KR/KR2XL.htm Aviation Surplus: http://aerofoilengineering.com/PartsListing/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:34:44 -0400 From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: Re: KR> HOW MANY DAYS ??? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050511.153445.3336.15.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm leaving work now to pick my 2S up at the paint shop. Just need to put things together. 27 items on the punch list Joe Horton On Wed, 11 May 2005 05:42:45 -0500 "Mark Jones" writes: > 121 short days till the Gathering. WORK WORK WORK on your KR to get > it ready. I think there should be a new award for KR that flew in > with the most work to be done on it before it is finished. Just > think, a semi finished KR would give builders a real perspective of > what will actually fly. > This has been your KR Gathering time frame update by Hal Minidaze. > YEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Joe Horton joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:42:53 -0400 From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: Re: KR> final weight and balance To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050511.154907.3336.16.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mine are 48# painted and done. Joe On Wed, 11 May 2005 11:33:54 -0500 "Mark Langford" writes: > OZ wrote: > > > So... your airplane came in 39 lbs. lighter than Mark Jones'. > > I'm not exactly sure what it was that I left out, but hope it > wasn't > important! All I can think of at the moment would be the kitchen > sink. > There are several places where rethinking and redoing things (like > the > airfoils) cost me some weight. I'm pretty sure I could build it > 10-15 > pounds lighter next time around. But keep in mind that I have all > the nice > stuff like huge electric flaps, full electrical system, giant 130 > horsepower > engine, landing, nav lights, and strobes, redundant electrical > system, two > fuel pumps, dual sticks, adjustable horizontal stabilizer, > double-walled > wing skins, etc. It all adds up, I guess. I just weighed my wings > and they > are 48 pounds each, but keep in mind that all bellcranks, cables, > and > connectors are part of my wings, rather than the airplane (like most > other > KRs). But surely your average KR wing must be far less, especially > considering the size of my flaps, ailerons, and aileron > counterweights. > > I've elaborated some more on the weight and balance at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/weightandbalance.html , and provided > links to the spreadsheet and a pdf file of it for those who don't have > Excel... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Joe Horton joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:17:12 -0600 From: "Jerry Morris" Subject: KR> canopy protection while building To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <42827658.1090403@nsc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed I got my Todd canopy but it does not have a protective coating or paper or film. what do i use to protect it after installation while i build the rest of the plane around it. thanks jerry kr1s-boat ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 21:18:05 +0000 From: rickcoy@comcast.net Subject: KR> Dyeing Seat Belts To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <051120052118.29017.4282768D00051B4F00007159220588911697010C050C079D@comcast.net> My belts are bright green and that just won’t work with my color scheme. Has anyone tried dyeing them with Ritz dye? I’m wondering if it might weaken the fabric -- or if they might not absorb the dye fully. I want to dye them black and hate to mess up a perfectly good set of seat belts/shoulder harnesses (Davis Aircraft Products). Rick rickcoy@comcast.net ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 17:26:21 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> canopy protection while building To: Message-ID: <4282787D.000005.05160@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The name of the product is Spray Lat and can be purchased from Wicks or AS. Put it on heavy and follow instructions concerning how long you can leave it on. I have used it a lot and it works very well. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- what do i use to protect it after installation while i build the rest of the plane around it. ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:57:27 -0600 From: "Jerry Morris" Subject: KR> kr sanding song To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <42827FC7.1080502@nsc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed ok can someone share the kr sanding song with me, having never been to a kr event. jerry kr1s(boat) ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 17:06:21 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> KR for Sale To: "KR Net" Cc: bangs04@hotmail.com Message-ID: <001f01c55675$af8ddf00$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am forwarding this e-mail to the KR Net. If anyone out there is interested, please contact Maria via her e-mail at bangs04@hotmail.com or call her at the phone number listed below. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maria Maria" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 1:33 PM Subject: Questions? > Hi. I got your email address off a website for kr2's. Just wondering > if you > could help me out. My dad started building a KR2 some years ago and it > has been hanging in his shop unfinished. The frame work is done, needs > foam, fiberglass and an engine. Is this sellable and how should a > person find a buyer other than ebay? If you want to call me feel free > 360-903-3519. Thank > you. Maria > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 17:53:20 -0500 From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: KR> final weight and balance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003301c5567c$3b1b3760$a624c944@yourat5qgaac3z> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Mark, As you may or may not know Ken Rand was a good friend of mine when he was alive and we both lived two blocks apart in Huntington Beach, California. He used to call KR's that he considered over built "lead sleds". He also said many times "anything will fly with enough power". I personally believe that an aircraft should have an engine that was designed by competent engineers for aircraft. The best one of these I can think of is a Lycoming and if I had it to do over I would build a KR2S and for power, I would use a l25 horse power Lycoming. That would haul a pair of two hundred pound guys with a climb rate of at least 1500 feet per minute and with the right prop cruise in level flight would be about 215 mph. If you wanted to go to the expence of having both, an air adjustable pitch prop would do both. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:46 PM Subject: RE: KR> final weight and balance >I just put my plane on the Atkins diet!!!!! There are a lot of things I >could have done to save weight. My turtle deck is one area. It is about two >inches taller than stock and way too thick as are my wing skins. Also I >have a lot of unnecessary things like strobes, nav lights and landing >lights, electric speed brake, etc, etc... As I was building, I had one goal >in mind and that was to make a safe cross country flying machine. >Passengers will be few and far between as my wife will not even fly in >small spam cans. The kids are very light weight so when they fly with me >that will be no biggie. The nose gear adds a few more pounds as does the >aluminum wing tanks. I added 2 inches in front of the main spar to the >fuselage as well as widened it by 3 inches. Maybe a lighter battery would >help or I could ditch that heavy T&B indicator that I consider not needed >and replace it with a simple ball slip indicator. There are a lot of things >to lower the weight but I am happy with the plane the > > Mark Jones > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of Mark Langford > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:34 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> final weight and balance > > > OZ wrote: > >> So... your airplane came in 39 lbs. lighter than Mark Jones'. > > I'm not exactly sure what it was that I left out, but hope it wasn't > important! All I can think of at the moment would be the kitchen > sink. There are several places where rethinking and redoing things > (like the > airfoils) cost me some weight. I'm pretty sure I could build it 10-15 > pounds lighter next time around. But keep in mind that I have all the > nice > stuff like huge electric flaps, full electrical system, giant 130 > horsepower > engine, landing, nav lights, and strobes, redundant electrical system, two > fuel pumps, dual sticks, adjustable horizontal stabilizer, double-walled > wing skins, etc. It all adds up, I guess. I just weighed my wings and > they > are 48 pounds each, but keep in mind that all bellcranks, cables, and > connectors are part of my wings, rather than the airplane (like most other > KRs). But surely your average KR wing must be far less, especially > considering the size of my flaps, ailerons, and aileron counterweights. > > I've elaborated some more on the weight and balance at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/weightandbalance.html , and provided > links to the spreadsheet and a pdf file of it for those who don't have > Excel... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 16:10:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Smith Subject: KR> T-88 TIP For the lazy or the weak wristed To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050511231021.58545.qmail@web81706.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When squeezing out the hardner (the brown stuff) in the t88 2 part epoxy, my hands get tired, especially when mixing larger batches. Last time I was doing that task, I spied a spring clamp laying on the table. I deftly applied the clamp to the bottle and bingo the hardner came out steady and with no effort on my part. Two clamps made the flow even faster. I'm a genius. ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:16:53 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> final weight and balance To: Message-ID: <42829265.000013.05160@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" One of the many reasons that I stick with the KR is because it is designed to be powered by auto engines. There is no way that I could ever afford to buy an aircraft engine, let alone, maintain one. Get ready to get flamed, cause I can smell it coming. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- The best one of these I can think of is a Lycoming and if I had it to do over I would build a KR2S and for power, I would use a l25 horse power Lycoming. ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 18:16:51 -0500 From: Bernard McLean Sr Subject: Re: KR> T-88 TIP For the lazy or the weak wristed To: KRnet Message-ID: <42829263.7000905@northboone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Try warming both bottles in warm water for 10 minutes. They flow much better when warm. Bernie McLean Poplar Grove IL ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:18:15 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> T-88 TIP For the lazy or the weak wristed To: Message-ID: <428292B7.000015.05160@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yes, indeed you are. Why didn't I think of that? See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- I deftly applied the clamp to the bottle and bingo the hardner came out steady and with no effort on my part. Two clamps made the flow even faster. I'm a genius. ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 18:24:09 -0500 From: "Bob Glidden" Subject: Re: KR> final weight and balance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <01e101c55680$893483d0$6401a8c0@ADMINISTRATOR> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Dan I agree with you about this and I work on a lot of "Certified Engines" and really don't see the advantage for what we are using it for.And just because it is designed by engineers don't make it all great...Sorry Mark L.If we all had certified engines alot of us would not be able to afford to have them worked on not to mention the rebuild cost.Just my opinion and it has been a couple of weeks since I stayed at a holiday inn express... > One of the many reasons that I stick with the KR is because it is > designed to be powered by auto engines. There is no way that I could > ever afford to buy an aircraft engine, let alone, maintain one. > > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for > building > has expired. > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > -------Original Message------- > > The best one of these I can think of > > is a Lycoming and if I had it to do over I would build a KR2S and for > power, > > I would use a l25 horse power Lycoming. > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:33:15 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR>Certified engines (was final weight and balance) To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00ff01c55681$d0002ed0$f400a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm with Dan on this one. Mmmmmmmmmmmmm let me think.............. Lycoming - over priced - expensive to maintain - out of date technology (compared to the auto world) - did I mention over priced :-) - heavy - when new, I question if it developed 125 hp Well thats my impression of most certified engines that were designed before I was born. The main reason to fly experimental is to get away from those engines and their expenses. Flame away regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Heath One of the many reasons that I stick with the KR is because it is designed to be powered by auto engines. There is no way that I could ever afford to buy an aircraft engine, let alone, maintain one. Get ready to get flamed, cause I can smell it coming. -------Original Message------- The best one of these I can think of is a Lycoming and if I had it to do over I would build a KR2S and for power, I would use a l25 horse power Lycoming. ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 23:38:18 +0000 From: rickcoy@comcast.net Subject: KR> Todd?s Canopy for Sale? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <051120052338.26179.4282976A00008D7B00006643220699849997010C050C079D@comcast.net> Anyone selling a clear Todd’s Canopy? (Steve Glover came to visit my project recently and I’m really jazzed to get back to building!) Rick Coykendall rickcoy@comcast.net Pacifica, CA 650-359-4723 ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:56:34 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> T-88 TIP For the lazy or the weak wristed To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Or the microwave for ten seconds. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Bernard McLean Sr Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:17 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> T-88 TIP For the lazy or the weak wristed Try warming both bottles in warm water for 10 minutes. They flow much better when warm. Bernie McLean Poplar Grove IL _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:56:38 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR>Certified engines (was final weight and balance) To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I don't disagree at all, but keep in mind that the VW was designed in something like the 40s and the Vair in the 60s. Too bad no auto makers are still using air cooled engines. Imagine the nice fuel injected and computer controlled engine we could have brand new and cheap. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Barry Kruyssen Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 7:33 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR>Certified engines (was final weight and balance) I'm with Dan on this one. Mmmmmmmmmmmmm let me think.............. Lycoming - over priced - expensive to maintain - out of date technology (compared to the auto world) - did I mention over priced :-) - heavy - when new, I question if it developed 125 hp Well thats my impression of most certified engines that were designed before I was born. The main reason to fly experimental is to get away from those engines and their expenses. Flame away regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Heath One of the many reasons that I stick with the KR is because it is designed to be powered by auto engines. There is no way that I could ever afford to buy an aircraft engine, let alone, maintain one. Get ready to get flamed, cause I can smell it coming. -------Original Message------- The best one of these I can think of is a Lycoming and if I had it to do over I would build a KR2S and for power, I would use a l25 horse power Lycoming. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 187 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================