From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 195 Date: 5/14/2005 2:58:49 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Do not archive Xpndr cable (Allen Wiesner ) 2. Re: R?f. : KR> engines (phillip matheson) 3. R?f. : KR> Foreign made tools (Serge VIDAL) 4. R?f. : Re: R?f. : KR> engines (Serge VIDAL) 5. Harbor Freight (rparker) 6. Re: R?f. : KR> Foreign made tools (tinyauto@aol.com) 7. Is It Friday? (Dan Heath) 8. Non KR related (Colin & Bev Rainey) 9. The good old days! (flykr2s@wi.rr.com) 10. Re: The good old days! (Mark Langford) 11. New Builder Question!! HELP (larry flesner) 12. re:RE: The good old days (Shawn and Laura) 13. Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 192 (Jumpnkd@aol.com) 14. Re: The good old days! (Aeroeng39@aol.com) 15. Re: Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 192 (Aeroeng39@aol.com) 16. Re: R?f. : KR> Foreign made tools (Robert L. Stone) 17. progress under way (Rod Beam) 18. KR Insurance (sph12@sbcglobal.net) 19. Re: KR Insurance (Mark Langford) 20. Re: The good old days! (joe) 21. Re: Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 192 (JAMES C FERRIS) 22. the old days (Don Chisholm) 23. Re: the old days (Mark Langford) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 23:48:35 -0400 From: "Allen Wiesner " Subject: Re: KR> Do not archive Xpndr cable To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005f01c55837$cf2a5230$62e24345@CPQ69645694259> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original >I don't like the solid center conductor cable for any applications >subject to vibration. The wire tends to crack right where the center >pin is soldered on after a while. It sounds like it would be a very >remote possibility, but I have seen it more times than I can count in >marine applications. I will agree that the stranded RG-58 should be used where flexing and/or vibrations are to be expected, i.e. helicopters and boats, c.f. your comment on marine use, but for a plane where it gets installed and checked once in 5 years?! Allen G. Wiesner KR-2SS/TD S/N 1118 65 Franklin Street Ansonia, CT 06401-1240 (203) 732-0508 flashyal@usadatanet.net ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 18:39:29 +1000 From: "phillip matheson" Subject: Re: R?f. : KR> engines To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002401c55860$a8106a80$edaa443d@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Serge How much is diesel over there. Here Australia it is around $126.00 per litre. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 11:05:14 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : KR> Foreign made tools To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bob, can't believe the title of your E-mail! The KRNet is the wrong place for xenophobia! I am a tools addict, and indeed, I have some great American tools. But I have also bought some very substandard American-made tools in my life! "Foreign" would include Germany, Switzerland, France... "Countries in the far east" would include one of the best tools manufacturing countries in the world: Japan. Buy the best tools you can afford. Beware of substandard tools made in China and Taiwan. But don't generalize that to "Foreign made", please! Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Robert L. Stone" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-05-14 01:13 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-05-14 01:16 Pour : "KR Builders Pilots" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Foreign made tools Builders Be very carful about buying tool from discount houses. Most of the tools they sell are made in China, or Tiwan and a lot of them are not anywhere near the quality that is required to build an aircraft or anything else for that matter. Someone advised the purchase of a band saw should be from Sears and I agree because the reason stated was replacement parts availability. Also the quality of most of the power tools available from countries in the far east are below standard. Buy the best even if you have to save up. I have a drill press made by Rockwell that is 37 years old, and still very much serviceable. My large combination belt/disk sander is a craftsman and its 33 years old. My grinder is a Craftsman and it's 33 years old also and all I have ever replaced is the stone wheels. Quality tools will last a lifetime and the extra cost is well worth the quality and durability Bob Stone, Hareker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 11:18:07 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : Re: R?f. : KR> engines To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Phil, Here, Diesel is the cheapest fuel, at about 1 Euro a liter. Unleaded cost about 1.2 Euro. Avgas about 1.3, I think. Serge "phillip matheson" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-05-14 10:39 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-05-14 10:43 Pour : "KRnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: Réf. : KR> engines Serge How much is diesel over there. Here Australia it is around $126.00 per litre. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 05:34:40 -0500 From: "rparker" Subject: KR> Harbor Freight To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050514103440.5053.qmail@server278.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'd argue that statement that "Chinese tools arent near the quality required to build an airplane" as I'd bet everybody on this list is using chinese made tools and doesnt even know it. Craftsman power tools are still made by Ryob as they have been for years. You could use Sears as proof that chinese tools can be just as good as american given a good quality control plan. Even the "Japanese"tools are being made in China. I travel to Japan frequently and they are outsourcing just as we are due to high cost of living. I just built a 2 story addition with $99 pneumatic nailing guns from Harbor Freight. I then lent one to my friend who's $300 porter cable gun broke. He put them side by side and couldnt tell the difference apart from the color. For that price I considered it disposable and I would be happy if it got me through that one job. even after dropping it onto my driveway from 17 feet up, it worked fine after being straightened by a few blows by a calibrated hammer. I have an educated intelligent Chinese engineer who works for me and she'll tell you there are 1.3 billion people in China very motivated to increase their standard of living and they know its not by producing inferior products. They know the value of improving their quality and are working hard to do it. I've ordered lots of tools from harbor freight which have been made in China, Russia etc. some havent been as good as I'd like however the price of the tool met the mission it was intended to meet. The quality of your workmanship shouldnt depend on a tool whether it be a spoon or a tablesaw. Rich Parker Peterborough, NH >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 7 Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 18:13:41 -0500 From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: KR> Foreign made tools To: "KR Builders Pilots" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Builders Be very carful about buying tool from discount houses. Most of the tools they sell are made in China, or Tiwan and a lot of them are not anywhere near the quality that is required to build an aircraft or anything else for that matter. Someone advised the purchase of a band saw should be from Sears and I agree because the reason stated was replacement parts availability. Also the quality of most of the power tools available from countries in the far east are below standard. Buy the best even if you have to save up. I have a drill press made by Rockwell that is 37 years old, and still very much serviceable. My large combination belt/disk sander is a craftsman and its 33 years old. My grinder is a Craftsman and it's 33 years old also and all I have ever replaced is the stone wheels. Quality tools will last a lifetime and the extra cost is well worth the quality and durability Bob Stone, Hareker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 07:17:36 -0400 From: tinyauto@aol.com Subject: Re: R?f. : KR> Foreign made tools To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <8C7268DAA8DCE44-37C-293C1@FWM-R33.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I agree. European tools are like artwork. My favorite German tool is the Stihl chainsaw. That is one mean cutting machine! What kind of tools is France known for? I own a Renault 4CV and a Citroen 2CV, but don't know brand names of French tools. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Serge VIDAL To: KRnet Sent: Sat, 14 May 2005 11:05:14 +0200 Subject: Réf. : KR> Foreign made tools Bob, can't believe the title of your E-mail! The KRNet is the wrong place for xenophobia! I am a tools addict, and indeed, I have some great American tools. But I have also bought some very substandard American-made tools in my life! "Foreign" would include Germany, Switzerland, France... "Countries in the far east" would include one of the best tools manufacturing countries in the world: Japan. Buy the best tools you can afford. Beware of substandard tools made in China and Taiwan. But don't generalize that to "Foreign made", please! Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Robert L. Stone" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-05-14 01:13 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-05-14 01:16 Pour : "KR Builders Pilots" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Foreign made tools Builders Be very carful about buying tool from discount houses. Most of the tools they sell are made in China, or Tiwan and a lot of them are not anywhere near the quality that is required to build an aircraft or anything else for that matter. Someone advised the purchase of a band saw should be from Sears and I agree because the reason stated was replacement parts availability. Also the quality of most of the power tools available from countries in the far east are below standard. Buy the best even if you have to save up. I have a drill press made by Rockwell that is 37 years old, and still very much serviceable. My large combination belt/disk sander is a craftsman and its 33 years old. My grinder is a Craftsman and it's 33 years old also and all I have ever replaced is the stone wheels. Quality tools will last a lifetime and the extra cost is well worth the quality and durability Bob Stone, Hareker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 07:31:11 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Is It Friday? To: Message-ID: <4285E17F.000005.01332@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 07:54:17 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Non KR related To: Message-ID: <001c01c5587b$a8657410$04000100@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I don't know Dan but I am tired of reading posts related to tools that have nothing to do with Krs! Take it off line fellows. Colin Rainey Sanford, FL ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 07:18:27 -0500 From: flykr2s@wi.rr.com Subject: KR> The good old days! To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <4c40574c47cb.4c47cb4c4057@rdc-kc.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I sure am glad I am no longer building my KR. I think if I had to sift through all the junk e-mails that are being posted on todays KR Net just to try an learn how to build a KR, I would go insane. I am about to go insane even though I am flying my KR now instead of building. I still am drawn to try and read all the important KR Net e-mail but this is becoming a task which just is not worth it any longer. Something has got to change. You guys apparently are not building KR's but prefer to have a chat room. Why not go to Yahoo and set one up for all the little old lady bullsh## talk, which is about all that goes on here on the Net now. Ninety percent of the post are worthless. If you need someone to talk, try talking to your wife or kids. Spend time with them instead of wasting time putting worthless info on the Net. Yes, this is a little harsh but back in the "Good Old Days", I learned how to build a KR here, not how to spell tool, cat, dog, or how to drop eggs from 40' without having them break. Get the point? I hope so. There are a lot of new guys here on the net now so lets keep this an intelligent resource for information. The KR Net HAD and I said Had a reputation of being the best Internet group for building an experimental aircraft but now we are becoming the best bullsh$$ chat room on the Net. Remember all the guys that were here and are no longer. They were experts full of knowledge. I wonder why they left the Net. Maybe it is because of all the bullsh%%. If I offended anyone, I apologize. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 07:41:42 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> The good old days! To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <02f901c55882$4842b050$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark Jones wrote: > The KR Net HAD and I said Had a reputation of being > the best Internet group for building an experimental aircraft but now > we are becoming the best bullsh$$ chat room on the Net. You're absolutely right. A lot of "real" builders and pilots simply don't have time for sifting through all kinds of way off-topic waste mail. There are thousands of chit-chat forums out there, but let's keep this one on the subject of building or flying KRs, please. I should have noticed all the BS email and said something about it, but I'm too busy getting ready to fly my plane to even notice. You new-comers need to read the rules of the list, which are posted at http://www.krnet.org/info.html . Mark's post will almost certainly cut down the traffic, and that's fine with me, but better yet would be that it be replaced by real KR building and piloting questions and information instead. If it's so obviously off topic that you have to put "off topic" in the header, it shouldn't be here... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 07:43:31 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> New Builder Question!! HELP To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050514074331.0082aa60@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I need to know if a standard KR Boat can be stretched and widened to >become >a KR2S. The boat is in good shape and has retractable gear which will be >removed for tri-gear. I am really wanting to put a corvair engine on this bird. > I am just wondering if it would be better to start from scratch or >can I >have a head start by getting this boat to work. >Larry +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Several builders/pilots have suggested starting from scratch on a new boat but that depends on several factors. If you don't need the extra cockpit width and the extra two inches of leg room, you can still build a good airplane with what you have. Troy Petteway from Tennessee has a nice flying KR2 with a C-85 "hopped up" to 100+ hp. Go with the new wing, re-do/increase the tail area and drop the Corvair on the front end. Go to www.krnet.org and check out the completed KR's and look for Troy Petteway's name. Mark Langford may have additional info on his site also. As always, your results may vary. :-) Larry Flesner Carterville, Illinois ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 08:51:12 -0400 From: Shawn and Laura Subject: KR> re:RE: The good old days To: KRnet Message-ID: <4285F440.2010106@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Here, Here Thanks Mark. Well put Shawn Jezegou Lindsay, Ontario I sure am glad I am no longer building my KR. I think if I had to sift through all the junk e-mails that are being posted on todays KR Net just to try an learn how to build a KR, I would go insane. I am about to go insane even though I am flying my KR now instead of building ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 09:17:33 EDT From: Jumpnkd@aol.com Subject: KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 192 To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" What about just moving the tail back away from the boat? Leave the original boat and add 12"? may look a bit unusual but that's never stopped any of this crowd! whats the max tail weight at max Gs? Bill White KR2 Alexandria, VA > On Fri, 13 May 2005 13:51:57 EDT N667HU@aol.com writes: > >I need to know if a standard KR Boat can be stretched and widened to > >become > >a KR2S. > > >Larry > >"Getting ready to build N667HU" > >_______________________________________ > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 12:24:45 EDT From: Aeroeng39@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> The good old days! To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <209.1002565.2fb7804d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Thank you Mark, I could not have said that better myself. To all you non-flying, non-building chatters out there. Mark is right on target. If you want to chat try internet dating or something. I too, as I'm sure I'm not alone, (because I'm a serious builder) am tired of getting 20-30 e-mails a day. Sifting through your empty and mindless thoughts that are not about flying, learning to fly, building, or learning to build. I'm still building. And will be for quite some time. So I will be staying. BECAUSE I'M HERE TO BUILD. NOT TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT I DID WHEN I SAT ON THE TOILET TODAY. Any flames, keep them to yourself and grow up. Any questions about how to repair your aft turtledeck, ( I just put a whole in mine, my ladder fell over on it) Ask away. My turtledeck is a pre-fab and cut and stretched it to the "S" length. I've been here for about 4 years now I guess. Hope to meet you true flyers one day when I'm through building in person. To those men, I would be honored. Any questions?? Peter Sanchez KR2S Apache Junction _aeroeng39@aol.com_ (mailto:aeroeng39@aol.com) ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 12:42:08 EDT From: Aeroeng39@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 192 To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1e4.3b8b14e9.2fb78460@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" What about just moving the tail back away from the boat? Leave the original boat and add 12"? may look a bit unusual but that's never stopped any of this crowd! whats the max tail weight at max Gs? Bill White KR2 Alexandria, VA Bill, I've read your question before. And I know you've already been advised that you are just better off starting over. I understand how you feel. As I inherited my boat already completed but I wanted to instill all the cool upgrades. Thought about it hard, and tried to save and stretch it. It doesn't work. There's too much wood work that has to be precise to extend. An incorrect angles at the cut will exagerate at the tail. And quite frankly, glue makes the joint rigid at that point. The airframe is strong because it is allowed to bend a little. So.....I just started over too. Use the old boat as a good guide to help you build and incorporate all the things you want. Building will be faster than normal. Because you've got an example to look at. Just some advice from a flyer who "was" hoping to save myself some build time (at that time). But am very glad I did start over. I think you will be too. More questions ?? Peter Sanchez KR2S Apache Junction AZ _aeroeng39@aol.com_ (mailto:aeroeng39@aol.com) ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 12:02:47 -0500 From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: R?f. : KR> Foreign made tools To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006301c558a6$c10087a0$5d817646@yourat5qgaac3z> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Serge, You are right, I stand corrected. I served in Germany after world war 2 and spent a total of 8 years in that country with the USAF so I know they have good tools. I know nothing of the tools from other counmtries in Europe but I have got stung on tools from some of the countries in the far east. I do not own any tools made in Japan other than some of my so called American made ones that may have been made there. The main reason I would buy from an American company is parts availibility for power tools. I have also been in Paris and it was in November. I would have perfered summer but could not get a 6 week vacation in the summer, only time I could get 6 weeks all at once was winter and I just about froze to death trying to get around and see all of the sights. It's a beautiful city and if I ever go again it will be in the spring. Since I am retired, I can go any time I want to. Bob Stone --- Original Message ----- From: "Serge VIDAL" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 4:05 AM Subject: Réf. : KR> Foreign made tools Bob, can't believe the title of your E-mail! The KRNet is the wrong place for xenophobia! I am a tools addict, and indeed, I have some great American tools. But I have also bought some very substandard American-made tools in my life! "Foreign" would include Germany, Switzerland, France... "Countries in the far east" would include one of the best tools manufacturing countries in the world: Japan. Buy the best tools you can afford. Beware of substandard tools made in China and Taiwan. But don't generalize that to "Foreign made", please! Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Robert L. Stone" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-05-14 01:13 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-05-14 01:16 Pour : "KR Builders Pilots" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Foreign made tools Builders Be very carful about buying tool from discount houses. Most of the tools they sell are made in China, or Tiwan and a lot of them are not anywhere near the quality that is required to build an aircraft or anything else for that matter. Someone advised the purchase of a band saw should be from Sears and I agree because the reason stated was replacement parts availability. Also the quality of most of the power tools available from countries in the far east are below standard. Buy the best even if you have to save up. I have a drill press made by Rockwell that is 37 years old, and still very much serviceable. My large combination belt/disk sander is a craftsman and its 33 years old. My grinder is a Craftsman and it's 33 years old also and all I have ever replaced is the stone wheels. Quality tools will last a lifetime and the extra cost is well worth the quality and durability Bob Stone, Hareker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 22:01:18 -0500 From: "Rod Beam" Subject: KR> progress under way To: Message-ID: <000001c558af$0d46ec00$4e52f0d8@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Netters, Both sides are cut and fit up. Couple nights ago begin gluing the parts up. Is it just me or is this a kind messy part of the project, seems like as hard as I try I still make a mess. And the small gusset blocks glue gets every where... any advice or suggestions would be helpful. Thanks every one Rod Beam KR2S in the beginning Harrisburg IL. rsbeam@shawneelink.net ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 13:37:42 -0500 From: Subject: KR> KR Insurance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000b01c558b4$044ed540$800101df@shendersonlt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello KRNet. I have a question regarding getting insurance on my KR. I have been told that if I rebuild a vw engine from new parts that I order and rebuild my own engine, I will not be able to get insurance on my plane, but if I order an engine kit from Great Plains then I will have no problem. I have been building engines for 16 years and know that I can build a safe engine. If anybody has any experience on this subject could you help me out? I would really prefer to rebuild my own engine since I already have one. Steve Henderson St. Louis, MO KR-1 (getting close to being done) sph12@sbcglobal.net ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 13:52:19 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> KR Insurance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <034701c558b6$0e8470e0$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Steve Henderson wrote: >>I have a question regarding getting insurance on my KR. I have been told that if I rebuild a vw engine from new parts that I order and rebuild my own engine, I will not be able to get insurance on my plane, but if I order an engine kit from Great Plains then I will have no problem. I have been building engines for 16 years and know that I can build a safe engine. If anybody has any experience on this subject could you help me out? << I just got insurance for my homebrewed Corvair powered KR2S, for which there are very few flying examples yet, so the VW has to be insurable as well. William Wynne told me to call Bob Mackey at Falcon insurance. I didn't tell Bob that I had built it from scratch, but he didn't ask either. So Falcon is one option, and they are the EAA's insurance provider. I've also heard good things about Sky Smith. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 12:08:50 -0700 From: "joe" Subject: Re: KR> The good old days! To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000701c558b8$5e460100$0a0110ac@o7p4e3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Mark; Prior to my last subject of 3 emails I think I have responded to 2 or 3 at the most. A quick check on yours reveals XXXXXX. I have tried to find what in my opinion is the best arrangement for construction that will produce an aircraft that will yield the most for my buck and still carry my newly gained weight(from being sedate due to a long illness now cured). And still give me a reasonable airspeed so that i may make several trips a year from ca to pa. Trying to glean this info from krnet has become next to impossible. So , being a retired analyst (45 years) who produced similar type reports as a carreer, I was going to attempt to provide this to krnetters and myself. Thanks to your indescretional flaming, I will now beg off any more kr netting. This should please you, I'm sure. Joe >From an old kr builder. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 5:18 AM Subject: KR> The good old days! > I sure am glad I am no longer building my KR. I think if I had to sift > through all the junk e-mails that are being posted on todays KR Net > just to try an learn how to build a KR, I would go insane. I am about > to go insane even though I am flying my KR now instead of building. I > still am drawn to try and read all the important KR Net e-mail but this > is becoming a task which just is not worth it any longer. Something has > got to change. You guys apparently are not building KR's but prefer to > have a chat room. Why not go to Yahoo and set one up for all the little > old lady bullsh## talk, which is about all that goes on here on the Net > now. Ninety percent of the post are worthless. If you need someone to > talk, try talking to your wife or kids. Spend time with them instead of > wasting time putting worthless info on the Net. Yes, this is a little > harsh but back in the "Good Old Days", I learned how to build a KR > here, not how to spell tool, cat, dog, or how to drop eggs from 40' > without having them break. Get the point? I hope so. There are a lot of > new guys here on the net now so lets keep this an intelligent resource > for information. The KR Net HAD and I said Had a reputation of being > the best Internet group for building an experimental aircraft but now > we are becoming the best bullsh$$ chat room on the Net. Remember all > the guys that were here and are no longer. They were experts full of > knowledge. I wonder why they left the Net. Maybe it is because of all > the bullsh%%. If I offended anyone, I apologize. > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 16:55:18 -0400 From: JAMES C FERRIS Subject: Re: KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 192 To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050514.165518.232.0.mijnil@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You could use a T-tail and sweep the verticle to move the horizontal tail back. Jim Sanford fl. On Sat, 14 May 2005 09:17:33 EDT Jumpnkd@aol.com writes: > What about just moving the tail back away from the boat? Leave the > original > boat and add 12"? may look a bit unusual but that's never stopped > any of this > crowd! > whats the max tail weight at max Gs? > Bill White KR2 > Alexandria, VA > > On Fri, 13 May 2005 13:51:57 EDT N667HU@aol.com writes: > > >I need to know if a standard KR Boat can be stretched and widened > to > > >become > > >a KR2S. > > > > >Larry > > >"Getting ready to build N667HU" > > >_______________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 17:34:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> the old days To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050514213419.13396.qmail@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm fairly new to the krnet but have been involved with KR's for quite some time now and was a subscriber to the newsletters from early times. The early newsletters were great and some of the ideas portrayed were pure genius and the KR2S and many of the ideas for fittings and hardware on the KR2S came from those early ideas. After a while many of the ideas in the newsletter started to become questionable, I went out of touch for a while and when I got back in the information loop things had changed That's about the time of the AS504x series of airfoils and the movers and shakers that were behind that development, they kept the design from falling into obscurity. The KR design is an enduring design that has many adherents worldwide and I'm proud to be a part of the movement. But for my 2 cents worth I agree lets stay on the subject, I enjoy the interaction but think there are many people out there watching this that would like to post questions but don't want to sound dumb.BE KIND and no cat sh#t please ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 17:00:28 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> the old days To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <09a501c558d0$57492360$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Don Chisholm wrote: >The early newsletters > were great and some of the ideas portrayed > were pure genius and the KR2S and many > of the ideas for fittings and hardware on the > KR2S came from those early ideas. And one of those great ideas was a tail surface hinge made from mil spec screw eyes, from which Dr. Dean got the idea for his "Dr. Dean hinges". That idea came from a guy named Don Chisholm, as I recall! For those of you who don't have a copy of the old KR Newsletters, they are an invaluable source of KR information. Larry Capps sells them on CD for $49. Look for the red "KR Newsletter" logo about half way down the page at www.krnet.org ... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 195 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================