From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 210 Date: 5/25/2005 9:00:16 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: welding retract gear (Dan Heath) 2. Re: welding retract gear (Barry Kruyssen) 3. Re: R?f. : Re: KR> WAF application? (phillip matheson) 4. ground effect (larry flesner) 5. KR2S+ information....New..buy or not? (Mark Dougall) 6. Re: KR2S+ information....New..buy or not? (Dan Heath) 7. Re: KR2S+ information....New..buy or not? (Barry Kruyssen) 8. Gathering flyby's (Orma) 9. Cowling now fits (Dan Heath) 10. Re: Cowling now fits (Steve Henderson) 11. Re: Cowling now fits (Steve Henderson) 12. Re: Cowling now fits (Orma) 13. welding spriing bar (Don Chisholm) 14. spring bar (Don Chisholm) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 18:44:39 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> welding retract gear To: Message-ID: <4294FFD7.000013.03704@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You can install a Grove type gear a lot easier and have something really nice. All you will have to do is patch the holes in the wings and do a little fairing in on the underside of the fuselage. I don't think you can get this plane out of ground affect. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- i intend to raise that plane to ge tthe thing out of ground effect ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:09:05 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> welding retract gear To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <02a201c5617e$c14dc480$f400a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I get out of ground affect at about 4ft, that would make for very high gear. :-) Seriously, get rid of the retract gear, you will be glad you did. To modify the retract gear, all you are doing is bodgying up an already suspect undercarriage. That's my 2 cents worth. I'm very glad I replaced my retracts for the following reasons: - Bigger tyres for rough strips - Wider track for better ground handling - Able to fair the legs much better and fit wheel spats (fairings) - More ground clearance - Move the mains forward for more weight on the tail - And most importantly, peace of mind when I have a not so good landing :-) regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Heath I don't think you can get this plane out of ground affect. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:13:30 +1000 From: "phillip matheson" Subject: Re: R?f. : Re: KR> WAF application? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005201c56248$8f8cbda0$3eaa443d@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Here in Australia, Most of the WAF already use the single BOLT and 4130 spacer instead of the four bolts us in the states. But they are in the normal position. The Idea is worth looking into. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 18:50:07 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> ground effect To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050525185007.008cadd0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I don't think you can >get this plane out of ground affect. >Daniel R. Heath ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Ground effect would be equal to approx 1/2 the wingspan. I doubt that there is an airplane flying that can land without experiencing ground effect. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 17:01:55 -0700 From: Mark Dougall Subject: KR> KR2S+ information....New..buy or not? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <0IH200710LF8GW@l-daemon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi All I have been looking to purchase a KR2S this last few weeks and have come across one that I would like to place an offer on.I am presently doing my PPL and will finish this in 6 weeks(will trailer it home in 3 weeks time,hoping). I realize that I will not be flying it after my license as I will be looking for someone to train me a lot more on tail draggers and the KR2S.It's been sold as the original owner has lost his medical. My questions are this: Is this an aircraft for someone with a number of hours of experience or would you recommend it can be flown with someone with low hours? A pilot informed me today that they are not that easy to fly and are highly prone to spin outs.(thought this would be true of all tail draggers). What will I need to look for when looking at the KR2S?(what areas.ect) Looking forward to hearing everyone's comments and advice.. Regards Mark ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 20:19:16 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> KR2S+ information....New..buy or not? To: Message-ID: <42951604.000019.03704@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark, I have flown only one other tail dragger, a Champ, but I found the KR much easier to fly. You don't have the visibility, but you get used to it quickly However, I don't recommend it for a low time trike pilot unless you get some training. The good news is that you don't have to fly it by yourself as it is already certified. Find a good instructor and go out and have fun. Having said all that, I had a grand total of 150 hours in mostly C-150 when I began taxiing my first KR. I did have some problems and messed the plane up a bit. Some of it was the plane (retract gear) and some of it (mostly) was me. So get some training if you can. My opinion and your results will vary. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- Is this an aircraft for someone with a number of hours of experience or would you recommend it can be flown with someone with low hours? ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 10:25:25 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> KR2S+ information....New..buy or not? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <035801c56189$6b0ff970$f400a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Firstly, I have a KR2 which is in theory more sensative than the KR2S. My KR2 is not difficult to fly, it is just different to fly. It is more sensative than any powerd plane I've flown to date, and more enjoyable. I only had about 23 power hours when I flew my KR2 BUT I had 200+ hours gliding (I had 1 flight in a tricycle KR2 15 months prior to my first flight) My 17 year old daughter has no experiance at all (her 2 flights in gliders she has been sick and hasn't taken the controls). On her first flight, in the KR2, it took about 15 minutes for her to get smooth enough to maintain altitude and do mild turns left and right (10-15 degrees bank only), I was verbally coaching her, telling her what to do and how, the ball wasn't centred too often but then who cares to start with. She enjoyed it enough to read the BAK VFR study guide and wants to go again. It will take some time (more than you expect) to get compent enough to fly it solo but don't let that detter you. Get an experianced KR pilot to help with your conversion training (obviously you must get your tail dragger endorsement prior to getting in your KR2). Main thing is to know your limits Where do you live? regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Dougall Hi All I have been looking to purchase a KR2S this last few weeks and have come across one that I would like to place an offer on.I am presently doing my PPL and will finish this in 6 weeks(will trailer it home in 3 weeks time,hoping). I realize that I will not be flying it after my license as I will be looking for someone to train me a lot more on tail draggers and the KR2S.It's been sold as the original owner has lost his medical. My questions are this: Is this an aircraft for someone with a number of hours of experience or would you recommend it can be flown with someone with low hours? A pilot informed me today that they are not that easy to fly and are highly prone to spin outs.(thought this would be true of all tail draggers). What will I need to look for when looking at the KR2S?(what areas.ect) Looking forward to hearing everyone's comments and advice.. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 21:27:38 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: KR> Gathering flyby's To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <010801c56192$39f84aa0$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Larry Remembering from last year, while the KR's are in the pattern we must remain civil and not do certain things. It would be interesting if you could find a friendly policeman with a radar gun to see if anyone making a pass happened to be speeding, or something like that. Or, maybe someone to just loan us his radar for a few hours, so that we could police each other. Maybe the radar can't even shoot a KR in flight. If it could it would make for interesting after-hours discussions. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 21:37:29 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Cowling now fits To: Message-ID: <42952859.000005.01920@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" See pics without passing GO http://kr-builder.org/Cowl/index.html The first 3 thumbnails are new. Hey, Jim Moorehead, what do you think? See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 20:45:40 -0500 From: "Steve Henderson" Subject: Re: KR> Cowling now fits To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004701c56194$9fc32e70$800101df@shendersonlt> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello Dan, I see that your plane has the fairings on it for the wheel pants, where did you purchase these at? I have the Diehl gear as well and am looking for wheel pants and the fairings for them. Steve Henderson KR1 St. Louis, MO sph12@sbcglobal.net Stephen Henderson Project Manager Witt Biomedical 305 North Dr., Melbourne, FL 32934 800.669.1328 FAX: 321.253.0372 CELL: 800.273.7983 www.wittbiomedical.com Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 8:37 PM Subject: KR> Cowling now fits > See pics without passing GO > > > > http://kr-builder.org/Cowl/index.html > > > > The first 3 thumbnails are new. > > > > Hey, Jim Moorehead, what do you think? > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for > building > has expired. > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 20:47:29 -0500 From: "Steve Henderson" Subject: Re: KR> Cowling now fits To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005501c56194$e0b94720$800101df@shendersonlt> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Sorry, that was meant to go to Dan Heath and not KRNet. Steve Henderson Stephen Henderson Project Manager Witt Biomedical 305 North Dr., Melbourne, FL 32934 800.669.1328 FAX: 321.253.0372 CELL: 800.273.7983 www.wittbiomedical.com Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Henderson" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 8:45 PM Subject: Re: KR> Cowling now fits > Hello Dan, > > I see that your plane has the fairings on it for the wheel pants, where > did you purchase these at? I have the Diehl gear as well and am looking > for > wheel pants and the fairings for them. > > Steve Henderson > KR1 > St. Louis, MO > sph12@sbcglobal.net > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Henderson > Project Manager > Witt Biomedical > 305 North Dr., Melbourne, FL 32934 > 800.669.1328 > FAX: 321.253.0372 > CELL: 800.273.7983 > www.wittbiomedical.com > > Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any attachments, is > for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential > and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please > contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original > message. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Heath" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 8:37 PM > Subject: KR> Cowling now fits > > >> See pics without passing GO >> >> >> >> http://kr-builder.org/Cowl/index.html >> >> >> >> The first 3 thumbnails are new. >> >> >> >> Hey, Jim Moorehead, what do you think? >> >> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering >> >> See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics >> >> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for >> building >> has expired. >> >> Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC >> >> _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 21:49:56 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Cowling now fits To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <011701c56195$38bf2700$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Dan It looks good and tight Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 23:08:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> welding spriing bar To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050526030805.75868.qmail@web88012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The stock spring bar as purchased from R.R is 7075 T6 aluminum and it's been my understanding that 7075 T6 aluminun is not a weldable grade of aluminum. If you want to study the properties of this grade of aluminum , you'll find what you need to know in Machineriys Handbook What it is is spring aluminum and the phisical properties are altered with high heat applications. I'd be real careful here ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 23:16:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> spring bar To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050526031600.48418.qmail@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii sorry about my spelling on my last message. one fingered typing and no glasses is a bummer ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 210 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================