From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 224 Date: 6/6/2005 9:00:24 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: another few flights (patrusso) 2. Re: OSHKOSH 05 (Linda Warner) 3. RE: OSHKOSH 05 (Wood, Sidney M.) 4. PVC intake/was Oshkosh (Oscar Zuniga) 5. Re: over the hump! (jodel@alphalink.com.au) 6. Tiny Tach reliabiility (Mark Langford) 7. another few flights (Ryan) 8. Re: another few flights (Mark Langford) 9. over the hump (wcrawfor@cmhc-schl.gc.ca) 10. 4130 steel (Serge VIDAL) 11. 4130 steel (Oscar Zuniga) 12. Re: 4130 steel (Robert L. Stone) 13. Rebuild suggestions (wilder_jeff Wilder) 14. Re: 4130 steel (Mark Langford) 15. Re: another few flights (IFLYKRS@aol.com) 16. Re: Rebuild suggestions (Mark Langford) 17. Re: Rebuild suggestions (Barry Kruyssen) 18. Re: OSHKOSH 05 (Joe) 19. Updates (Matthew Elder) 20. Re: OSHKOSH 05 (Mark Jones) 21. Group Fly to Oshkosh (Mark Jones) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 05:47:54 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> another few flights To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001501c56a7c$cfeb23f0$5fa772d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Lord, I'm sated with envy. Gotta get moving! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 10:38 PM Subject: KR> another few flights > NetHeads, > > This is getting addictive. Three trips to the airport, four more > hours on > the clock, and 8 more landings. An hour before sunset I flew down to > Guntersville Airport, a cool little strip on the lake. It was a nice > little cross country so I could practice those skills, operating the GPS, > leaning, and listening to that smooooooth engine hummmmmm along. At the > end I got a couple of "night" landings in, and positively greeeeeased 'em > on in the smooth air. Next weekend I'm going to land at Guntersville, and > the 2300 foot grass strip at Moontown as well. I was tempted today, but > didn't do it. I'm up to about 17 hours now. > > I talked to my father tonight, and he's sinking some tie downs for me > at > his 3600 ft grass strip down in L.A. (Lower Alabama). That's a four hour > frustrating drive turned into about a pleasurable 1.2 hour flight, and > with 50% better fuel mileage than my VW gets! I think I'm hooked on this > already... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 08:00:04 -0400 From: jaslkw@webtv.net (Linda Warner) Subject: Re: KR> OSHKOSH 05 To: krnet@mylist.net (KRnet) Message-ID: <29813-42A43AC4-1449@storefull-3135.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Bob Polgreen writes: I will be driving a small truck down from MN and camping in the camping area near the field>>>>>>> Hi all. Hope we get a BUNCH of KR's at Oshkosh. I will be there helping to move any & all of you around the airport. I'm a co-chairman in the "Welcome Wagons" We drive around in cut-down vans with seats in the back and it's our job to pick you all up right at your plane, transport you and your luggage to registration, the campground, bus pickup point etc. or anywhere on the field that you want to go. Also, we will pick you up when you are ready to leave and transport you directly to your plane again. There are three vans operating and we can be hailed by having any of the guys on the green carts who park you call us on the radio or simply waving at us when we drive around. This is a service that some folks have not heard of yet, but proves to be very popular once they do. Oshkosh is a big place and we can sure save you a LOT of walking. We operate from 8am until 8pm each day, so please avail yourself to our services. Hoping to see many of you in Oshkosh 05. John Sickafoose Naples, Fl Cell: (239) 821-4396 (works in Osh) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 08:17:06 -0400 From: "Wood, Sidney M." Subject: RE: KR> OSHKOSH 05 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I will be at the Home Builders Dinner on Thursday evening at the Nature Center. Look for me teaching Composites 101 at the Home Builders Forums Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Sid Wood Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD USA Sidney.wood@titan.com Cell 240 538-8465 I'll try to get the Porkopolis Pig there, depending on the weather, etc. It's only half as far as Lakeland for me. If I make it, I'll be in HBC. Ken Jones, kenbjones@cinci.rr.com Sharonville, OH N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig ----- Original Message ----- From: > ALRIGHTY THEN... who is planning to fly their KR to Oshkosh this year? > and who is planning to just show up? ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:39:52 -0500 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> PVC intake/was Oshkosh To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Colin wrote- >has anyone ever used PVC pipe for an intake manifold? There was a discussion (several, actually) on this list in regard to composite intake manifolds, to which the same comments would apply in regard to PVC. The one that I thought most important, since I started one of the discussions, was that a backfire would take out a plastic or composite manifold. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:48:23 +1000 From: jodel@alphalink.com.au Subject: Re: KR> over the hump! To: KRnet , "KRnet" Cc: Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft Message-ID: <20050606122129.M56448@alphalink.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 HI Mark In ref. to the tiny tac. If it is the type that has a red lead that coils around one of the spark plug lead. Then you may wont to try what a friend of mine did . (He used the tiny tac on a Jaberu eng,) when he first put it on it was giving him crazy readings so after many attempts to get it right by cutting the length of the wire that coils around the spark plug lead ,he ended up with one coil in fact it may have been a little less it then was reading just fine. Albert Cassar > > > > the airport, because I'd only done two landings by myself up until > today, and they were both near-tragedies. I was actually wondering > about things the undertaker does to you as I drove out there. I > left the airport today with a huge smile on my face...thinking, > "I've got this licked now". Thanks to all that've helped, > especially Bill Clapp. For the first time, I let out a big yell > after one particularly squeaky one! Sorry Jim, I forgot to call you > until I was on final the first time around, and it was too late > then! I remembered it all though, and I came dragging in there > barely flying, slower each time, but rarely looking at the ASI. > > The Corvair is running great, without so much as a hiccup so far, > other than the time I pulled the mixture out instead of the > throttle, and the prop came to a stop on crosswind! I now have > 28.6 hours on the hour meter, although the engine has more hours > than that on it. I also did a little flying around today and did a > 2-way speed check with the GPS, and the result was 173 mph top speed, > but with no spinner, and no wheel fairings, and no aileron or flap > gap seals, and the engine will only turn 3200 rpms at that speed. > It climbs out at 3080, which is about what it'll do static on the > ground. I definitely have too much pitch from whatever this Sterba > prop is (it's labeled 54x66, but I think it's been repitched to a > 52x60). That's down in the 110 hp range, so after I get my fairings > on, I'll get another prop with less pitch. Average CHTs were 345F > after doing wide open for 15 minutes, oil presure was 45 psi, and > oil temp never exceeded 200 degrees F. The EIS tach function has > gone haywire, reading as high as 5500 rpm when I'm doing only 3200 > rpm (courtesy of the Tiny Tach). > > I tried to recalibrate my static ports with some .1" thick blocks of > aluminum but it was too much. VSI now reads descending all the time, > airspeed reads low (stall is an indicated 38mph), and altimeter > reads low. Static ports are not an exact science, apparently. > Fortunately, Bill has taught me not to care what any of those > things read, so I don't care. If I can fly tomorrow (weather > permitting) I'll try something less drastic, like some .062 welding > rod behind the ports to see if that's a little closer to what I > need. I'll get there. > > Bottom line is that I'm no longer afraid of this thing and feel like > I'm going to make it as a contributing KR pilot and Corvair tester > after all. I'm with ya... > > Mark Langford [13 N56ML flying hours and counting] Huntsville, > Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, > send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info > at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ___________________________________________________ Alphalink WebMail - http://webmail.alphalink.com.au ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 08:00:29 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> Tiny Tach reliabiility To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006401c56a97$b7acd390$5e0ca58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original > Albert Cassar wrote: > If it is the type that has a red lead that coils around one of the spark > plug lead. Then you may wont to try what a friend of mine did . (He used > the > tiny tac on a Jaberu eng,) when he first put it on it was giving him crazy > readings so after many attempts to get it right by cutting the length of > the > wire that coils around the spark plug lead ,he ended up with one coil in > fact > it may have been a little less it then was reading just fine. Thanks. I've tried all of that, every conbinatioin possible, and eventually discovered that shielding the red wire/plug wire junction by either wrapping with copper braid (or even aluminum foil) and grounding the shield to the engine case makes it work perfectly. I'm quite happy with the Tiny Tach now. It's the EIS tach function that is totally unreliable. I'll work with them to get something else. I think somebody said they can use a tooth counter too, so I guess that's where I'm headed with that. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "KRnet" ; "KRnet" Cc: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:48 AM Subject: Re: KR> over the hump! > > HI Mark > In ref. to the tiny tac. > > If it is the type that has a red lead that coils around one of the spark > plug lead. Then you may wont to try what a friend of mine did . (He used > the > tiny tac on a Jaberu eng,) when he first put it on it was giving him crazy > readings so after many attempts to get it right by cutting the length of > the > wire that coils around the spark plug lead ,he ended up with one coil in > fact > it may have been a little less it then was reading just fine. > > Albert Cassar >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> the airport, because I'd only done two landings by myself up until >> today, and they were both near-tragedies. I was actually wondering >> about things the undertaker does to you as I drove out there. I >> left the airport today with a huge smile on my face...thinking, >> "I've got this licked now". Thanks to all that've helped, >> especially Bill Clapp. For the first time, I let out a big yell >> after one particularly squeaky one! Sorry Jim, I forgot to call you >> until I was on final the first time around, and it was too late >> then! I remembered it all though, and I came dragging in there >> barely flying, slower each time, but rarely looking at the ASI. >> >> The Corvair is running great, without so much as a hiccup so far, >> other than the time I pulled the mixture out instead of the >> throttle, and the prop came to a stop on crosswind! I now have >> 28.6 hours on the hour meter, although the engine has more hours >> than that on it. I also did a little flying around today and did a >> 2-way speed check with the GPS, and the result was 173 mph top speed, >> but with no spinner, and no wheel fairings, and no aileron or flap >> gap seals, and the engine will only turn 3200 rpms at that speed. >> It climbs out at 3080, which is about what it'll do static on the >> ground. I definitely have too much pitch from whatever this Sterba >> prop is (it's labeled 54x66, but I think it's been repitched to a >> 52x60). That's down in the 110 hp range, so after I get my fairings >> on, I'll get another prop with less pitch. Average CHTs were 345F >> after doing wide open for 15 minutes, oil presure was 45 psi, and >> oil temp never exceeded 200 degrees F. The EIS tach function has >> gone haywire, reading as high as 5500 rpm when I'm doing only 3200 >> rpm (courtesy of the Tiny Tach). >> >> I tried to recalibrate my static ports with some .1" thick blocks of >> aluminum but it was too much. VSI now reads descending all the time, >> airspeed reads low (stall is an indicated 38mph), and altimeter >> reads low. Static ports are not an exact science, apparently. >> Fortunately, Bill has taught me not to care what any of those >> things read, so I don't care. If I can fly tomorrow (weather >> permitting) I'll try something less drastic, like some .062 welding >> rod behind the ports to see if that's a little closer to what I >> need. I'll get there. >> >> Bottom line is that I'm no longer afraid of this thing and feel like >> I'm going to make it as a contributing KR pilot and Corvair tester >> after all. I'm with ya... >> >> Mark Langford [13 N56ML flying hours and counting] >> Huntsville, Alabama >> see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford >> email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, >> send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info >> at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > ___________________________________________________ > Alphalink WebMail - http://webmail.alphalink.com.au > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 06:52:00 -0700 From: "Ryan" Subject: KR> another few flights To: Message-ID: <00a201c56a9e$e9fd5d40$8cdb4a42@san.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark, What are you getting for Take Off & Landing distances? Ryan NetHeads, This is getting addictive. Three trips to the airport, four more hours on the clock, and 8 more landings. An hour before sunset I flew down to Guntersville Airport, a cool little strip on the lake. It was a nice little cross country so I could practice those skills, operating the GPS, leaning, and listening to that smooooooth engine hummmmmm along. At the end I got a couple of "night" landings in, and positively greeeeeased 'em on in the smooth air. Next weekend I'm going to land at Guntersville, and the 2300 foot grass strip at Moontown as well. I was tempted today, but didn't do it. I'm up to about 17 hours now. I talked to my father tonight, and he's sinking some tie downs for me at his 3600 ft grass strip down in L.A. (Lower Alabama). That's a four hour frustrating drive turned into about a pleasurable 1.2 hour flight, and with 50% better fuel mileage than my VW gets! I think I'm hooked on this already... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 09:55:20 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> another few flights To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007d01c56aa7$c2d99810$5e0ca58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Ryan wrote: > What are you getting for Take Off & Landing distances? I don't know exactly, but suffice it to say that every takeoff and landing this weekend (except the last ones) were "touch and goes" with plenty of room before the end of the runway (probably a third of it at least). I'll try to be a little more careful about noticing, but with no braking I can usually make the second turnoff, which is 2500' (I think), and I'm not even good at this yet.. Takeoffs are really quick and short, thanks to that big Corvair. I do know that Troy Petteway says on a windy day when he has to land at 80 rather than 65kts he has to get on the brakes on his 6000' runway at Maury County, but 80kts is pretty fast too! My giant split flaps have me landing pretty slowly, and then it slows down fast too. Or maybe it's those sideways landings I make, and the tires are scrubbing off all that speed.... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:57:24 -0400 From: wcrawfor@cmhc-schl.gc.ca Subject: KR> over the hump To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Congratulations Mark, well done you are a KR pilot, and may I add "a damn good builder too." The little gremlins you chase will soon be gone, when you consider all the time and materials into it, they are only small items. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 21:38:16 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: KR> 4130 steel To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If I buy strips of 4130 steel of the correct thickness from Aircraft Spruce, can I use them as they are to make WAFs, or is there any treatment (other that surface treatment) that I must apply? Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:44:44 -0500 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> 4130 steel To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Serge asks- >If I buy strips of 4130 steel of the correct thickness from Aircraft >Spruce, can I use them as they are to make WAFs, or is there any >treatment (other that surface treatment) that I must apply? There used to be a very informative webpage from Dr. Dean on this subject, later linked to the Area51 webpage where WAFs were being offered for sale. I seem to recall that the information indicated that it isn't as easy as just cutting the WAFs out, drilling the holes, and cleaning up the edges. Not much help, I know, but unless you're waterjet cutting (or other method that doesn't heat up the metal as you drill or cut), there is something else required to ensure that the fittings retain the strength needed in the area of the holes. Anybody have that information? Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:52:24 -0500 From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: KR> 4130 steel To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001101c56ad9$a5dfc400$5d817646@yourat5qgaac3z> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Serge, I made my own wing attach fittings from the material you describe below and I got it from Aircraft Spruce. Just be careful when you drill cut or grind. that you do not heat the metal and thus spoil or change the temper. The process will take a lot of time but considering the price of ready made WAF's, it's worth it unless you are wealthy it's a good way to go. Bob Stone Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge VIDAL" To: Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 2:38 PM Subject: KR> 4130 steel > If I buy strips of 4130 steel of the correct thickness from Aircraft > Spruce, can I use them as they are to make WAFs, or is there any treatment > (other that surface treatment) that I must apply? > > Serge Vidal > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > Paris, France > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 16:02:26 -0600 From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" Subject: KR> Rebuild suggestions To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I am reworking the turtle deck of a KR that I've purchased a month ago, I have it removed. One person has suggested that I make the vert-stab larger.... This is a stock KR2- that has been streched. Does anyone have any sound advice for making the tail section larger. If so, how much larger?.. different airfoil if I am going to take it back to bare wood?... any suggestions at all would be helpfull. Heck, any advice you can provide me at this point about anything, while I have the deck off would be awesome. In rebuilding the Deck.. what is the general heighth of the deck at the canopy? its 38 inches across, I was thinking of cutting a bow to allow for about 19 inches heigh, then pulling it down slightly for head room.. but I do not like or want the squared off look.. any suggestions as well? -jeff ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:19:11 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> 4130 steel To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001301c56ae5$c438a9b0$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Serge wrote: > >If I buy strips of 4130 steel of the correct thickness from Aircraft > >Spruce, can I use them as they are to make WAFs, or is there any > >treatment (other that surface treatment) that I must apply? The heat treatment is "condition N". You can either start there or end there, but that's the way it needs to be when you're finished. I think when you buy it from AS&S, that's the way it is, but I'd check to make sure. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 21:16:19 EDT From: IFLYKRS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> another few flights To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <204.31d5dc0.2fd64f63@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Glad to hear your still having fun Mark. The YEEHAWS are coming faster now. In your enthusiasm dont forget to do a couple good thorough inspections. Have you tackled any of the discrepancies yet...pump, fuel level and such? Make sure to keep your options and margins open for emergencies and such. Have fun but be cautious too. Say Hi to the family from Elaine and me. I may be flying to Illinois this weekend for the fly-in up there if the weather is nice. Maybe Ill stop in - get an in flight photo for you. Well back to work on my "other" corvair - a 1965 Monza - trying to get it ready for paint - Was it worth all that time building? ABSOLUTELY!! Yall get your planes in the air - Im looking for people to fly with on that KR pancake fly in ... Bill and N41768 ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 21:23:28 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Rebuild suggestions To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003601c56b07$e4747e30$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jeff Wilder wrote: > Does anyone have any sound advice for making the tail section larger. If so, > how much larger?.. different airfoil if I am going to take it back to bare > wood?... any suggestions at all would be helpfull. I'm no expert but I suspect that with the longer fuselage, the stock KR2 tail feathers will be big enough like they are. Jeff Scott has this setup and could tell you if he has enough rudder and vertical stab, but my guess is that he does. If you were starting from scratch, I might say make them bigger, but I don't think I'd tear up a perfectly good tail to make it a little bigger. If you DID want to make it bigger, just add some foam to the ends and sand to shape using the existing airfoil as a guide, and skin it with one or two layers of carbon fiber like Troy Petteway did. That works fine too, and leaves all existing structure intact... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 12:39:00 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> Rebuild suggestions To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <025401c56b0a$10fcdfe0$5600a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have a stock KR2 and the stock tail feathers are more than adequate. The extra length will provide more stability, which is good. Check the archives for a resent thread on "stability" for around the 18,19 and 20th of April 2005 your question will answered. I would not enlarge the tail feathers as they aren't broken, and larger surfaces produce more drag! regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: wilder_jeff Wilder To: krnet@mylist.net Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 8:02 AM Subject: KR> Rebuild suggestions I am reworking the turtle deck of a KR that I've purchased a month ago, I have it removed. One person has suggested that I make the vert-stab larger.... This is a stock KR2- that has been streched. Does anyone have any sound advice for making the tail section larger. If so, how much larger?.. different airfoil if I am going to take it back to bare wood?... any suggestions at all would be helpfull. Heck, any advice you can provide me at this point about anything, while I have the deck off would be awesome. In rebuilding the Deck.. what is the general heighth of the deck at the canopy? its 38 inches across, I was thinking of cutting a bow to allow for about 19 inches heigh, then pulling it down slightly for head room.. but I do not like or want the squared off look.. any suggestions as well? -jeff _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 21:47:07 -0500 From: "Joe" Subject: Re: KR> OSHKOSH 05 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003b01c56b0b$32353fd0$b2cab4d8@Denise> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Mark: Sounds like a good idea to meet at Hartford and fly together to Oshkosh. Let me know when we should meet. Joe Weber ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 3:59 PM Subject: Re: KR> OSHKOSH 05 > Yep, I am planning on flying my KR in for the first couple of days. > Hopefully some of us can hook up at my airport (Hartford, WI ..HXF) which > is > forty miles from Oshkosh. We could fly formation in from there. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI > web page: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > e-mail: flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 19:48:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Elder Subject: KR> Updates To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050607024825.61565.qmail@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 All this talk of flying is really getting me more motivated (as if that was possible!) I've been working hard on the plane, and updated my website as such. Got the corvair motor mount all tacked up and ready for the final welding (I'll have to wait for a cool night as it's hot down here in the south!). Check out the pics if you like on my site... http://www.infinigral.com/melder/flying/KR1/engine.php Also, I've updated the other areas of the site that required it, so it's pretty much up to date with reality. Get building people! Matt ------------------------------------------------- Matthew Elder Orangeburg, SC http://www.infinigral.com/melder My Airplane Project: http://www.infinigral.com/melder/flying/KR1/ ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 21:57:16 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> OSHKOSH 05 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000b01c56b0c$9d0bc120$6501a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Excellent. Glad to hear you want to join up. I will keep in touch. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI web page: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj e-mail: flykr2s@wi.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 9:47 PM Subject: Re: KR> OSHKOSH 05 > Mark: > Sounds like a good idea to meet at Hartford and fly together to Oshkosh. > Let me know when we should meet. > Joe Weber > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 3:59 PM > Subject: Re: KR> OSHKOSH 05 > > > > Yep, I am planning on flying my KR in for the first couple of days. > > Hopefully some of us can hook up at my airport (Hartford, WI ..HXF) which > > is > > forty miles from Oshkosh. We could fly formation in from there. > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI > > web page: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > > e-mail: flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 22:16:10 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Group Fly to Oshkosh To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <001a01c56b0f$413faa20$6501a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am proposing that anyone with a KR, that is flying to Oshkosh, meet up at a designated time at Hartford, WI (HXF) airport http://www.airnav.com/airport/KHXF and we all fly in to Oshkosh together. We alkl want the KR to get recognition and this is one way to make that happen. I do not think there has ever been a KR group fly in together to Oshkosh. Right now, there are four KR's which I know will participate and those are Joe Weber, Bill Clapp, Mark Langford and me. I know thewt there could be a lot more. Jim Faughn? Larry Flesner? Joe Horton? Steve Bennet? Troy Petteway? ETC ETC ETC.....Come on guys what do you say. Shall we make this happen? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI web page: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj e-mail: flykr2s@wi.rr.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 224 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================