From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 232 Date: 6/13/2005 9:00:21 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Second engine run (Brian Kraut) 2. Who sells Vinyl Ester? (Dan Heath) 3. Metal supplier (sph12@sbcglobal.net) 4. RE: Who sells Vinyl Ester? (wilder_jeff Wilder) 5. Re: Metal supplier (pole shed) 6. Oil pressure regulator... (Matthew Elder) 7. Air inlet (Lee Van Dyke) 8. Re: Who sells Vinyl Ester? (Randolph R. Clark) 9. Re: Air inlet (Randolph R. Clark) 10. Re: Air inlet (Randolph R. Clark) 11. Problems with POSA (Dan Heath) 12. Re: Metal supplier (Scott Cable) 13. 3 hours today, 4 to go... (Mark Langford) 14. Re: Oil pressure regulator... (IFLYKRS@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 00:08:35 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Second engine run To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Or limbs of steel. Caution: do not try it unless you too have nerves of steel. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 06:07:36 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Who sells Vinyl Ester? To: Message-ID: <42AD5AE8.00002E.02448@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I want to find a vendor who sells in small quantities, if possible. Thank you for your time. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:13:42 -0500 From: Subject: KR> Metal supplier To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000701c5703a$0e3c8af0$800101df@shendersonlt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello KRNet, A friend of mine that is building a plane out of metal told me about a good place to buy/order metals and aluminums that are of aircraft grade. The website is www.shapirosupply.com and they are based in St. Louis. He claims that the metal is priced better than other places. Just thought that I would pass this information along. Steve Henderson St. Louis, MO KR-1 sph12@sbcglobal.net Stephen Henderson Project Manager Witt Biomedical 305 North Dr., Melbourne, FL 32934 800.669.1328 FAX: 321.253.0372 CELL: 800.273.7983 www.wittbiomedical.com Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:27:31 -0600 From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" Subject: RE: KR> Who sells Vinyl Ester? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed aircraft spruce has Gallons -Jeff >From: "Dan Heath" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: >Subject: KR> Who sells Vinyl Ester? >Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 06:07:36 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) > >I want to find a vendor who sells in small quantities, if possible. > >Thank you for your time. > >See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering >See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a >time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building >has expired. >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:28:33 -0700 (PDT) From: pole shed Subject: Re: KR> Metal supplier To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050613172833.25470.qmail@web31109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have purchased a lot of metal for the farm, and they have the best prices in the region, and they are good to deal with. Larry Lipe Carbondale, IL MSgt USMCRet currently picking ripe peaches... --- sph12@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hello KRNet, > > A friend of mine that is building a plane out of > metal told me about a good place to buy/order metals > and aluminums that are of aircraft grade. The > website is www.shapirosupply.com and they are based > in St. Louis. He claims that the metal is priced > better than other places. Just thought that I would > pass this information along. > > Steve Henderson > St. Louis, MO > KR-1 > sph12@sbcglobal.net > __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:27:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Elder Subject: KR> Oil pressure regulator... To: Corvaircraft , KRnet Message-ID: <20050613182720.17041.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 All, Trying to get the last bits of the accessory case apart so I can rebuild it (Corvair). Having a hell of a time getting the oil pressure regulator out (the solid rod part of it anyways)... Apparently, the visible end has a bit of rust on it which keeps it from going back up through it's hole. Anyone ever have this problem and know a good way to get it out. There isn't really anything solid to pry on that I can see won't break the case part. I've tried the usual magical rust looseners to no avail. Thanks! and hope you can help... Matt ------------------------------------------------- Matthew Elder Orangeburg, SC http://www.infinigral.com/melder My Airplane Project: http://www.infinigral.com/melder/flying/KR1/ ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:54:49 -0700 From: "Lee Van Dyke" Subject: KR> Air inlet To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00ee01c57049$5fd53920$6501a8c0@SNAKEBITE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Netters, Thank you for the many responses re: my first flight. Yes a little scarry, but yes I did remain calm. As I was driving to the cruise ship, an idea came to me re: the inlet of air into the carb. First I have a POSA carb (yes I know I know) I runs great on the ground, low and high speed. The high speed RPMs could be higher. I was thinking this was caused by static forces. Now back to the problem, I have a gap of about 1" 1 1/2" from the cowl to the inlet of the carb. Does anybody think that once I got up to speed 90-100, a pressure or/ low pressure situation could have occured in the lower cowl, causing the flow of air to the carb to have effected that mixture? The motor never quit, but started to run really rugh and an incredible amount of power loss. Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ Lee@vandyke5.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:04:35 -0500 From: "Randolph R. Clark" Subject: Re: KR> Who sells Vinyl Ester? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001901c57063$e30c1420$fbaef53f@clarks> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Dan Diehl of diehlaero.com in Tulsa did sell it in what ever you wanted. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 5:07 AM Subject: KR> Who sells Vinyl Ester? >I want to find a vendor who sells in small quantities, if possible. > > Thank you for your time. > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for > building > has expired. > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:12:05 -0500 From: "Randolph R. Clark" Subject: Re: KR> Air inlet To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002401c57064$ef1e7b80$fbaef53f@clarks> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I did have problems with my Posa. I still am not always happy. My problem was that my prop was to much pitch and when the throttle was fully opened, I didn't turn up enough rpm to use up the free flowing fuel that entered the carb. Once I reduced the pitch of my prop, I turned up the rpms enough that rpm more matched the flow of the fuel. I actually would run so rich at high throttle that my eng. wouldn't keep me in the air. Just thought I would throw this in. It may not have anything to do with your problem. Randy Clark Salina, Ks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Van Dyke" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:54 PM Subject: KR> Air inlet > Netters, > > Thank you for the many responses re: my first flight. Yes a little > scarry, but yes I did remain calm. As I was driving to the cruise ship, > an idea came to me re: the inlet of air into the carb. First I have a > POSA carb (yes I know I know) I runs great on the ground, low and high > speed. The high speed RPMs could be higher. I was thinking this was > caused by static forces. Now back to the problem, I have a gap of about > 1" 1 1/2" from the cowl to the inlet of the carb. Does anybody think that > once I got up to speed 90-100, a pressure or/ low pressure situation could > have occured in the lower cowl, causing the flow of air to the carb to > have effected that mixture? The motor never quit, but started to run > really rugh and an incredible amount of power loss. > > Lee Van Dyke > Mesa AZ > Lee@vandyke5.com > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:15:20 -0500 From: "Randolph R. Clark" Subject: Re: KR> Air inlet To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002701c57065$62f04b10$fbaef53f@clarks> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I might add that my plane also ran great static high rpm on the ground but it was because I didn't have alot of fuel in the tank and the plane was sitting on its tailwheel and not as much head pressure so fuel was less and it ran good. Randy Clark Salina, Ks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Van Dyke" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 1:54 PM Subject: KR> Air inlet > Netters, > > Thank you for the many responses re: my first flight. Yes a little > scarry, but yes I did remain calm. As I was driving to the cruise ship, > an idea came to me re: the inlet of air into the carb. First I have a > POSA carb (yes I know I know) I runs great on the ground, low and high > speed. The high speed RPMs could be higher. I was thinking this was > caused by static forces. Now back to the problem, I have a gap of about > 1" 1 1/2" from the cowl to the inlet of the carb. Does anybody think that > once I got up to speed 90-100, a pressure or/ low pressure situation could > have occured in the lower cowl, causing the flow of air to the carb to > have effected that mixture? The motor never quit, but started to run > really rugh and an incredible amount of power loss. > > Lee Van Dyke > Mesa AZ > Lee@vandyke5.com > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:37:15 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Problems with POSA To: Message-ID: <42AE0A9B.00003B.02448@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I know that there are a few persons who appear to be happy with their POSA. I am just throwing in the reason that I literally junked mine that I was using on the Little Beast. After fiddling with it for an awful number of hours, I thought that it was running fairly good. Therefore, I filled up with fuel and went out for some taxi tests. I got to the end of the runway, with the engine progressively running worse and then it quit and would not restart. At first, I blamed it on bad fuel but later found out what you already know. With a low head, it ran OK but when I filled it up, it got so rich that it fouled the plugs. That was the end of the POSA. You can spend your life messing with it and bet your life on it, or you can get an Ellison or some other good carb, and go fly. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:48:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> Metal supplier To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050614014836.463.qmail@web53003.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Steve & Netters, As a former resident of the St. Louis area, and a former patron of Shapiro's, I can honestly tell you as to why their prices are "better" than other aircraft material supply companies. Shapiro's is basicly a scrap-yard. If you want a specific grade of metal (7075, 7050, 6061 etc or 4130, 4340), you basicly get the "deer in the headlights" look. If you also want a nice straight piece, that doesn't have a bunch of corrosion, and not all banged up on the edges and elsewhere, you'll pay as much as or (in most cases) more than other aircraft material supply companies. Remember, they're a scrap-yard, in the absolute worst area (scary) of St. Louis, and they have that "junk-yard dog" mentality. They get most of their "stock" from what used to be McDonnell-Douglas (now Boeing) after it got a scrap tag or scrap material disposition. For projects that don't fly (home, automobile etc.) they're fine, but for Aircraft quality material, I'd be very hesitant to purchase materials from this company. They have bins and bins and bins of old aircraft tools such as riveters and air-drills--almost all are junk. They also have bins and bins and bins and even more bins of aircraft fasteners. Unsorted, corroded, sizes that nobody needs.....sitting out in the weather.... Buyer beware, you get what you pay for. sph12@sbcglobal.net wrote: The website is www.shapirosupply.com and they are based in St. Louis. He claims that the metal is priced better than other places. Just thought that I would pass this information along. Scott Cable Jamestown, ND s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:26:47 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> 3 hours today, 4 to go... To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <01ab01c57090$ed0c3950$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" NetHeads, Today I flew for 3 more hours. Mostly I just did "slow flight", playing with GPS courses, and averaging about 120 mph at 2200 rpm. I stayed up for 3 hours, and landed with half a header tank, about 4 gallons. That means I burned about 4 gallons an hour at 120 mph, but that's with the nose stuck up in the air, so it wasn't exactly trimmed for best cruise. The best thing about today's flight is that I actually KNEW how much fuel I had in the header tank at any given time. My VDO sender finally cleaned itself off (thanks to the mechanical wiping of several thousand jolts of the float) and is working perfectly! It worked when I installed it, but after the vinyl ester cured in the tank, I think the windings had a non-conductive film on it. I sure am relieved that I don't have to dig into that tank! You just don't know how nice it is to have a working fuel gauge again. Today was an exception in that I only made exactly one landing, and it was the smoothest yet, even after three hours of flying. I'll bet the g-meter is still reading 1.0. If I hadn't heard the tires chrip, I'd have never known I was down. And it was another one after dark, so it was really smooth air. One thing I've noticed is that I never use any down trim...it's always up trim, especially when the flaps are down. My guess is that wheel pants will help remedy that, because that drag hanging way down below the thrust line is going to rotate the plane downward, requiring more up trim than I have to offer. I need to work on wheel pants. If that's not it, I still have the secret weapon, adjustable horizontal stab, but I'll wait until everything else is faired in before I consider wheelin' that one out. Another thing I'm thinking about is the possibility that my CG could stand to slide back some. The farther back, the faster it's going to be, but the more "sensitive". Right now it is far from sensitive. I spent the day doing stuff like leaning left to go left, right to go right. Even a phugoid or two, I think they're called. It's a very stable airplane, maybe even too stable! And the forward CG could account for the up trim as well. I'm going to fly with it like it is for a while longer, but then gradually slide it back with either the battery or some more fuel, or both. The weather is supposed to be just as nice for several days, so if I do 2 hours tomorrow and 2 hours the next day, I'm good to go wherever I want, and carry passengers... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:50:25 EDT From: IFLYKRS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Oil pressure regulator... To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1c2.2a8bcf66.2fdfae01@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Take a tube of steel or aluminum and slit it lenthwise for a inch or so so that it will fit tightly inside the pressure regulator sleeve. normally the regulator will work free with a little bit of time and effort - if not - Ive rebuild many with WW and he has them on hand with new pumps - pretested and ready to install - a good buy!. Bill ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 232 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================