From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 234 Date: 6/15/2005 5:08:43 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Start Building (Pat Driscoll) 2. Re: Start Building (patrusso) 3. Start Building (rhartwig11@juno.com) 4. pitch change/ flaps/ speed brake (Oscar Zuniga) 5. Re: pitch change/ flaps/ speed brake (Jeff Scott) 6. Re: pitch change/ flaps/ speed brake (Mark Langford) 7. Landing on narrow runways (Ryan) 8. Re: Weight and Balance (Joseph H. Horton) 9. narrow runways/was pitch change, etc. (Oscar Zuniga) 10. Re: Weight and Balance (larry flesner) 11. Re: Re: Weight and Balance (Joseph H. Horton) 12. RE: Re: Weight and Balance (Mark Jones) 13. Re: Re: Weight and Balance (James Ferris) 14. RE: Re: Weight and Balance (Mark Jones) 15. Re: Re: Weight and Balance (Dan Heath) 16. Punishment for not flying (Orma) 17. Re: Re: Weight and Balance (Barry Kruyssen) 18. Re: Punishment for not flying (Barry Kruyssen) 19. Re: Re: Weight and Balance (Joseph H Horton) 20. gold brake fluid (Brian Kraut) 21. Stang (Brian Kraut) 22. Brake fluid (Colin & Bev Rainey) 23. Re: gold brake fluid (larry flesner) 24. nose dragger/ tail dragger (larry flesner) 25. Re: gold brake fluid (Mark Jones) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 22:36:24 -0500 From: "Pat Driscoll" Subject: KR> Start Building To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <000e01c5715b$684bfc20$0500a8c0@domain.actdsltmp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OK Netters, I am now ready to start building. I finally got my work bench cleared of all the junk and got my plans laid out. I took a 2" x 6" x 13'1" stick of Sitka spruce down from the rafters where it has sat since 1976. I had varnished the ends real well and there was no checking on them. I now have to cut this into strips and get started. I guess the first thing I'll have to due is order some T-88 from Wicks. I will also have to splice the longerons because the plans call for 14'. Question is, should I cut at different stations on all four or can I add a piece at the same stations on top and at a different station the bottom. I don't think I want to have all the additions lined up with each other. By the way, I don't want all of you to be crying in your adult beverages but I only paid $1.50 per board foot for the Spruce. Now I guess I'll have to try to set up a web site somehow,(not my expertise). I'll let you know when and where. Pat Driscoll Saint Paul, MN patrick36@usfamily.net Don't let them tell you the sky's the limit. Mans footprints are on the moon --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 06:15:53 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> Start Building To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001001c57193$371ff6a0$42a772d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Pat It wont be a problem to have the scarfs all at the same end and location but if you are not convinced of this, simply put two at the front end and two at the rear. And if you fail to remember this when gluing up,...DO NOT fret. It truly doesn't matter. As you progress, you will see so much being glued to these longerons to further strenghten them. Pat Russo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Driscoll" To: "KR Net" Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 11:36 PM Subject: KR> Start Building > OK Netters, I am now ready to start building. I finally got my work > bench > cleared of all the junk and got my plans laid out. I took a 2" x 6" x > 13'1" stick of Sitka spruce down from the rafters where it has sat since > 1976. I had varnished the ends real well and there was no checking on > them. I now have to cut this into strips and get started. I guess the > first thing I'll have to due is order some T-88 from Wicks. > I will also have to splice the longerons because the plans call for 14'. > Question is, should I cut at different stations on all four or can I add a > piece at the same stations on top and at a different station the bottom. I > don't think I want to have all the additions lined up with each other. > By the way, I don't want all of you to be crying in your adult beverages > but I only paid $1.50 per board foot for the Spruce. > Now I guess I'll have to try to set up a web site somehow,(not my > expertise). I'll let you know when and where. > Pat Driscoll > Saint Paul, MN > patrick36@usfamily.net > Don't let them tell you the sky's the limit. > Mans footprints are on the moon > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 06:18:03 -0500 From: rhartwig11@juno.com Subject: KR> Start Building To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050615.061803.2840.1.rhartwig11@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "have to splice the longerons because the plans call for 14 ft" Pat, You should only have to splice if you are stretching the fuselage. The materials list calls for 14 ft. for the longerons, but the actual length of the KR2S longerons is just slightly over 12 feet.....or am I missing something? Dick Hartwig Waunakee, WI rhartwig11@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 07:26:28 -0500 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> pitch change/ flaps/ speed brake To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Larry suggested to Mark L.: >Have you considered rigging the flaps for negative deflection at cruise >to pick up a few mph? Recall that Mark's plane has split flaps, so it's physically impossible for them to reflex upward (assuming a rigid upper skin). Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:52:55 GMT From: "Jeff Scott" Subject: Re: KR> pitch change/ flaps/ speed brake To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050615.065351.15923.101253@webmail13.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain If you think about it, reflexing the control surfaces up is a way of lowering the incidence of the wing in relation to the fuselage and more importantly, the horizontal stab. If your incidence is set correctly to begin with, then reflexing control surfaces up isn't going to help. However, reflexing control surfaces up can adversely affects the way the airfoil works. Back when my KR was new I played with aileron position quite a bit with a lot of flight testing to prove it out. I could change the pitch attitude of the aircraft by adjusting the ailerons up and down, but it had no substantial impact on the speed of the aircraft. Whaatever I gained in the wing, I lost in drag trimming it out with the tail I recently rerigged a Beech Skipper that someone had reflexed both flaps and ailerons up in the hopes of making the plane faster. What it did is create a wicked stall that would wash out with no warning. The cruise was slower and climb performance was really bad, at least in part due to the aileron counterweights hanging out in the wind instead of being streamlined behind the wing tip when it was properly rigged. -Jeff Scott Los Alamos, NM -- "Oscar Zuniga" wrote: Larry suggested to Mark L.: >Have you considered rigging the flaps for negative deflection at cruise >to pick up a few mph? Recall that Mark's plane has split flaps, so it's physically impossible for them to reflex upward (assuming a rigid upper skin). Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:11:50 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> pitch change/ flaps/ speed brake To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <01cd01c571b4$2d126780$5e0ca58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Yep, I've always thought of reflexing ailerons and flaps during cruise as a band-aid for a poor design, or some other compromise, although I could be wrong. I guess everything's a compromise though. Right now my ailerons are relexed a little. On the ground they are pretty close, but once in the air the pressure on the trailing edge cusp tightens them up so that they each stick up about 3/16" or so. I need to readjust them downward to compensate, so that in flight they are in line with the rest of the wing. Maybe I'll do that Friday or Saturday, or next time it rains and I can't fly anyway. Weather kept me from flying yesterday, so I did some other maintenance stuff instead. Maintenance is limited where I am, because there's no air or electricity (or even light, at night). I'm starting to practice landing on half the runway, so I can get ready to land on the 40' wide runway at Hazel Green. I noticed last night that back when I got my license, MDQ's runway was only 65' wide, and that didn't concern me at the time, so maybe it's not a biggie... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 07:38:04 -0700 From: "Ryan" Subject: KR> Landing on narrow runways To: Message-ID: <006401c571b7$d6c33b80$8cdb4a42@san.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I find that landing on narrow runways are easier even in x-wind conditions, good practice too, however I do not fly a KR yet. Ryan Tri-Q1 N2XV ----------------------- Re: KR> pitch change/ flaps/ speed brake a.. From: Mark Langford (view other messages by this author) b.. Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 07:14:52 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yep, I've always thought of reflexing ailerons and flaps during cruise as a band-aid for a poor design, or some other compromise, although I could be wrong. I guess everything's a compromise though. Right now my ailerons are relexed a little. On the ground they are pretty close, but once in the air the pressure on the trailing edge cusp tightens them up so that they each stick up about 3/16" or so. I need to readjust them downward to compensate, so that in flight they are in line with the rest of the wing. Maybe I'll do that Friday or Saturday, or next time it rains and I can't fly anyway. Weather kept me from flying yesterday, so I did some other maintenance stuff instead. Maintenance is limited where I am, because there's no air or electricity (or even light, at night). I'm starting to practice landing on half the runway, so I can get ready to land on the 40' wide runway at Hazel Green. I noticed last night that back when I got my license, MDQ's runway was only 65' wide, and that didn't concern me at the time, so maybe it's not a biggie... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:58:55 -0400 From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: KR> Re: Weight and Balance To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050615.115856.3172.6.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Guys, I just finished up checking the W/B on 357CJ . It did not work out to bad. My question is that in the most forward loading situation the calculations show the loading between 1/4" and 3/8" forward of the forward C/G range. That would quickly change as fuel is burned from the header tank. Every other situation works out fine. I will have a little over 5 1/2" C/G travel from worst case forward to worst case aft C/G. And it stays out of the no fly aft 2" of the published C/G range. The only thing that I can easily move right now is the ELT. But I don't think that it has enough impact to move the C/G back 3/8". BTW- most of the weight and Balance was done with the plane loaded and weighed in the configurations. I know that the C/G is not as nice as some of the others that have kept only wing tanks in their planes but I was always aware of how it would be and accepted that trade off. Is this realistically enough to worry about or should I move things to get it right on?? Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:04:38 -0500 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> narrow runways/was pitch change, etc. To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Mark L. wrote- >I can get ready to land on the 40' wide runway at Hazel Green. I >noticed last night that back when I got my license, MDQ's runway was >only 65' wide, and that didn't concern me at the time I had lots of fun flying in and out of small strips and clearings in a Super Cub when I lived in Oregon, and about the only thing that throws you off is your depth perception and sight picture in the pattern since you're used to seeing a wider runway and "objects are closer than they appear", as the placard on the rear-view mirror cautions. Having learned to fly mostly out of the old Laredo AFB where the main runways are 150' wide, the first time I approached Starr County (Rio Grande City), 50' wide, my pattern was all wrong, my timing was off, and I ended up going around. Not to mention things like runway lights and other obstructions being much closer to your wingtips, which makes you feel like you're overcontrolling because things in your peripheral view appear to be moving around much more. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:00:09 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Re: Weight and Balance To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050615130009.00831500@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > I just finished up checking the W/B on 357CJ . It did not work >out to bad. My question is that in the most forward loading situation >the calculations show the loading between 1/4" and 3/8" forward of the >forward C/G range. > Is this realistically enough to worry about or should I >move things to get it right on?? >Joe Horton, +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ If that's your worst case with lightweight pilot, full fuel, full oil, etc., then I doubt if it's really going to be a problem. The greatest percent of your flight time will be with less than full fuel. If you had build a real airplane [ with a tailwheel :-) ] you wouldn't be having this problem !! Run the numbers with maybe 2 or 3 pounds of lead at the very rear of the fuselage and see what the numbers do. It won't take much at that moment arm. I installed a 2 pound lighter tailwheel and I seem to recall it moved my CG forward approx 1/2". Your 2S is somewhere between a standard KR and my 24" stretch so it should be close. If you do place some lead back there, secure it well. You don't need a projectile in case of a sudden stop !!! Your first flights will be with maybe half fuel so I'd test fly it for now and see how it handles. Forward CG is better than aft, within reason. As long as your inspector buys the numbers, I'd say you're in good shape to get started and tweak it as you go. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:48:17 -0400 From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: Re: KR> Re: Weight and Balance To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050615.144817.3172.8.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > If that's your worst case with lightweight pilot, full fuel, full > oil, > etc., then > I doubt if it's really going to be a problem. The greatest percent > of your > flight time will be with less than full fuel. If you had build a > real > airplane > [ with a tailwheel :-) ] you wouldn't be having this problem !! Run > the > numbers with maybe 2 or 3 pounds of lead at the very rear of the > fuselage and see what the numbers do. It won't take much at that > moment arm. I installed a 2 pound lighter tailwheel and I seem to > recall it moved my CG forward approx 1/2". Your 2S is somewhere > between a standard KR and my 24" stretch so it should be close. > > Larry Flesner Larry, One point that I did miss that you mention is lightest pilot. I did all the weight and balance with my actual weight. If it were a lighter pilot it would start to move forward more. Then it could be a problem. I did run the numbers to move the ELT back. That would move the C/G about an1/8" back for every foot that the ELT moved back. I know what my real problem is but don't want to change it. It's the battery on the firewall and I thought all along that it was going to make the C/G close. BTW--all my real friends say it looks like a real airplane. I'll Park with Mark J. So we don't taint the gene pool. We will only let them out at night like ugly step sisters ( All good natured and smiling) Thanks, Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:20:22 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: KR> Re: Weight and Balance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F357C4252@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Larry Flesner wrote: >If you had build a real >airplane >[ with a tailwheel :-) ] cough....cough....cough...bullsh2t !!!!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com > I just finished up checking the W/B on 357CJ . It did not work >out to bad. My question is that in the most forward loading situation the >calculations show the loading between 1/4" and 3/8" forward of the >forward C/G range. > Is this realistically enough to worry about or should I >move things to get it right on?? >Joe Horton, +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ If that's your worst case with lightweight pilot, full fuel, full oil, etc., then I doubt if it's really going to be a problem. The greatest percent of your flight time will be with less than full fuel. you wouldn't be having this problem !! Run the numbers with maybe 2 or 3 pounds of lead at the very rear of the fuselage and see what the numbers do. It won't take much at that moment arm. I installed a 2 pound lighter tailwheel and I seem to recall it moved my CG forward approx 1/2". Your 2S is somewhere between a standard KR and my 24" stretch so it should be close. If you do place some lead back there, secure it well. You don't need a projectile in case of a sudden stop !!! Your first flights will be with maybe half fuel so I'd test fly it for now and see how it handles. Forward CG is better than aft, within reason. As long as your inspector buys the numbers, I'd say you're in good shape to get started and tweak it as you go. Larry Flesner _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:53:04 -0400 From: James Ferris Subject: Re: KR> Re: Weight and Balance To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050615.155304.1748.0.mijnil@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Whats with these nose dragers? Jim ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:26:32 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: KR> Re: Weight and Balance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F357C4253@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I remember when I was a kid and when I did not want to do something, my Dad would tell me to "quit dragging my butt". Plus, my Mom always told me "not to walk around with my nose up in the air" because it made you look conceited. I guess I have always lived a pretty level life. :-) Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of James Ferris Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 2:53 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> Re: Weight and Balance Whats with these nose dragers? Jim _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:18:27 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Re: Weight and Balance To: Message-ID: <42B09B23.000022.03408@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What is the empty weight? See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- From: Joseph H. Horton I just finished up checking the W/B on 357CJ . ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:25:08 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: KR> Punishment for not flying To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <013601c571f0$b5d2fbc0$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Net Since I had a small job at the airport today, I decided to fly no matter what. It seemed that this big black cloud hung over the airport all day. The winds were down the runway 14 gusting to 25, I had fueled the plane yesterday, so I pulled it out the hanger did a preflight, added 1/2 quart of oil and jumped in. I turned on power and the radio to hear ATIS and was making notes when the foul smell of electronics burning hit my nose. From under the radio stack rose a few stringy patches of smoke. Since the nav/com was on and working and the only other radio in the stack was the transponder, I quickly turned it off. In as much as used ones (AT50A) cost $500 to $600, you would think that needing a replacement would be punishment enough, but that's not so. I decided to fly anyway and up I went. First landing, I bounced so hard I had to apply power to recover. The second was no better and then the rain started along my downwind path. It was somewhat hard and stayed in the same place for the next two circuits. My third landing was a wheel landing and was at best just OK. Having had enough problems, I decided not to press my luck and put the KR back in the hanger. Orma ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:22:10 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> Re: Weight and Balance To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <03f601c571f8$ade0dbf0$5600a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Full of fuel and me in my KR2 puts the C of G 2.29mm (0.09in) in front of the forward C of G range, this is not a problem at I normally fly with a water pack weighing 2kg in the luggage compartment. The other option is to leave 3.5 Litres of fuel out (about 15 minutes of fuel). All this said I have flown with the C of G as far forward as possible and cannot tell the difference. I have placarder my KR2 with a minimum cockpit weight of 80kg. I would not fill the tank and test fly to see the problems (if there are any). Once happy, fill the tank a little more and test fly again, remeber as the fuel burns off if comes back into the C of G range. A forward C of G is normally only a problem on landing, you cannot round out and end up flying onto the strip a bit hard (so I found out in a glider). regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: larry flesner To: KRnet Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 4:00 AM Subject: KR> Re: Weight and Balance > I just finished up checking the W/B on 357CJ . It did not work >out to bad. My question is that in the most forward loading situation the >calculations show the loading between 1/4" and 3/8" forward of the >forward C/G range. > Is this realistically enough to worry about or should I >move things to get it right on?? >Joe Horton, +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ If that's your worst case with lightweight pilot, full fuel, full oil, etc., then I doubt if it's really going to be a problem. The greatest percent of your flight time will be with less than full fuel. If you had build a real airplane [ with a tailwheel :-) ] you wouldn't be having this problem !! Run the numbers with maybe 2 or 3 pounds of lead at the very rear of the fuselage and see what the numbers do. It won't take much at that moment arm. I installed a 2 pound lighter tailwheel and I seem to recall it moved my CG forward approx 1/2". Your 2S is somewhere between a standard KR and my 24" stretch so it should be close. If you do place some lead back there, secure it well. You don't need a projectile in case of a sudden stop !!! Your first flights will be with maybe half fuel so I'd test fly it for now and see how it handles. Forward CG is better than aft, within reason. As long as your inspector buys the numbers, I'd say you're in good shape to get started and tweak it as you go. Larry Flesner _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:24:07 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> Punishment for not flying To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <040101c571f8$f35b1d30$5600a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" some days are just made for drinking :-) Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Orma To: KRnet Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 7:25 AM Subject: KR> Punishment for not flying Hello Net Since I had a small job at the airport today, I decided to fly no matter what. It seemed that this big black cloud hung over the airport all day. The winds were down the runway 14 gusting to 25, I had fueled the plane yesterday, so I pulled it out the hanger did a preflight, added 1/2 quart of oil and jumped in. I turned on power and the radio to hear ATIS and was making notes when the foul smell of electronics burning hit my nose. From under the radio stack rose a few stringy patches of smoke. Since the nav/com was on and working and the only other radio in the stack was the transponder, I quickly turned it off. In as much as used ones (AT50A) cost $500 to $600, you would think that needing a replacement would be punishment enough, but that's not so. I decided to fly anyway and up I went. First landing, I bounced so hard I had to apply power to recover. The second was no better and then the rain started along my downwind path. It was somewhat hard and stayed in the same place for the next two circuits. My third landing was a wheel landing and was at best just OK. Having had enough problems, I decided not to press my luck and put the KR back in the hanger. Orma _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:27:46 -0400 From: Joseph H Horton Subject: Re: KR> Re: Weight and Balance To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050615.182746.-356243.2.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > What is the empty weight? > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > -------Original Message------- > > From: Joseph H. Horton > I just finished up checking the W/B on 357CJ . > _______________________________________ 724 LBS. including unusable fuel, oil, spinner, pants, and paint. the only things missing at this point is gap seals and canopy latch. That should add less than 2 more lbs.- Don't have a GPS yet either. Joe ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:38:30 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: KR> gold brake fluid To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have some Cleveland brakes that I need to bleed and add more fluid to. When I connected them I noticed that the fluid in them was gold colored, a beautifull shade of gold I might add. I know that they are supposed to be filled with MIL-5606H which is red. The previous owner of the plane swears they were filled with 5606. Does anyone have any idea what this gold brake fluid might be? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:38:32 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: KR> Stang To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Excuse the non-KR topic, but my Midget Mustang is now at the airport and ready to go. There are some pictures on Wicks site at http://www.wicksaircraft.com/Wicks/Pages/Projects/Happy_Customers/Brian_Krau t__s_Project.php. Nearly ime to get back on the KRs now that I have some garage space free. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:41:23 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Brake fluid To: Message-ID: <007c01c57203$bd65c940$c7432141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sounds like DOT 4 auto fluid. Colin ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:56:23 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> gold brake fluid To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050615185623.0083adb0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone have any idea what this gold brake >fluid might be? >Brian Kraut +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Old ????? Seems the Tripacer had a similar color and I flushed the entire system and replaced with new. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:55:22 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> nose dragger/ tail dragger To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050615185522.00837430@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:26 PM 6/15/05 -0500, you wrote: >I remember when I was a kid and when I did not want to do something, my >Dad would tell me to "quit dragging my butt". >Mark Jones +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I'm amazed that some rebutting nose dragger pilot hasn't labeled us taildragger pilots as "scoochers". Guess I shouldn't give anyone any ideas, huh. I've gotta admit, it sure looks funny when my cat does it. I sure hope I look a bit more graceful in my ground operations. :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:09:37 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> gold brake fluid To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003101c57207$af18c1e0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I too had this phenomena happen to my brake fluid. Down next to the calipers, in about six or so inches of tube, where the fluid was exposed to light for several years, the fluid turned gold colored. I drained the system, re-filled with new fluid and have had no problems since. I think prolonged exposure to UV rays caused this to happen. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj e-mail: flykr2s@wi.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 6:38 PM Subject: KR> gold brake fluid > I have some Cleveland brakes that I need to bleed and add more fluid to. > When I connected them I noticed that the fluid in them was gold colored, a > beautifull shade of gold I might add. I know that they are supposed to be > filled with MIL-5606H which is red. The previous owner of the plane swears > they were filled with 5606. Does anyone have any idea what this gold brake > fluid might be? > > > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 234 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================