From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 236 Date: 6/16/2005 9:00:21 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: what a day... (Barry Kruyssen) 2. Harrier Crash in Yuma.... (Lee Van Dyke) 3. Re: what a day... (Mark Langford) 4. Bill of sale question (WILLIAM HUNTLEY) 5. RE: Bill of sale question (Tommy) 6. Re: Bill of sale question (Robert L. Stone) 7. RE: what a day (Adriel Michaud) 8. what a day./ glide rato.. (larry flesner) 9. Re: what a day./ glide rato.. (Barry Kruyssen) 10. VE Mix Ratio (Dan Heath) 11. Re: what a day./ glide rato.. (Dennis Mingear) 12. What a landing (blindate@seark.net) 13. Starting up (Pat Driscoll) 14. Screwed up (Pat Driscoll) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:08:18 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> what a day... To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <04b901c57229$090a4220$5600a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Good to see you handled the situation well. So you were 4300' AGL and were able to glide 6.5 miles and make a safe landing, is this correct? At what height and distance out did you deploy the flaps. regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Langford To: KRnet Cc: Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: KR> what a day... If we're going to talk frustrating days, I can top Orma's story. See the top of http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/first_flights/subsequent.html ... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see homebuilt airplane at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:33:16 -0700 From: "Lee Van Dyke" Subject: KR> Harrier Crash in Yuma.... To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001001c57235$0d9be1c0$6501a8c0@SNAKEBITE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Netters, I live in PHX but today I was in Yuma AZ. I am a residential home appraiser. I don't know if all of you have heard yet but a Marine Harrier crashed in the back yard of a residential neighborhood of Yuma AZ today. I was 1/4 mi away from the crash when it happened. But the crazy thing is about 15 minutes prior I was about 300 yrds away from the crash site. I have a photo of the pilot comming down. I have never seen anything like it. You can watch video of a crash from an air show.. but never think of seeing something like that in a residential area. luckly nobody was killed, the pilot was ok. reports state a person was taken to the hospital for minor injuries. On another note, thank you to all that have responed to my First Flight post, and suggestions for a fix. I think the biggest problem to the entire situation was the pitch of the prop. So I will be purchasing a new one 52/46. If anybody has a lead on one cheaper than a new one contact me off line. Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ Lee@vandyke5.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 06:34:36 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> what a day... To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008001c57267$608b5870$0302a8c0@2600xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Barry Kruyssen wrote: > So you were 4300' AGL and were able to glide 6.5 miles and make a safe landing, is this correct? > At what height and distance out did you deploy the flaps. That's what they told me, but that was to HSV, not to HUA where I actually landed. Bill Clapp told me his glide ratio was 2.5:1, so maybe that's the number you're fishing for. I didn't drop the flaps until I knew I could make the runway, maybe a quarter mile out and a few hundred feet up. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see homebuilt airplane at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 07:06:12 -0500 From: "WILLIAM HUNTLEY" Subject: KR> Bill of sale question To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does anyone have any experience with registering a aircraft kit without a bill of sale (Glastar bankruptcy) I started out with a KR2 which I donated to a non-profit that works with Diabetic pilots and switched to the Glastar. I received the complete kit but no Bill of sale. Any ideas are welcome! Thanks in advance KR guys and gals Bill Huntley ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:22:36 -0400 From: "Tommy" Subject: RE: KR> Bill of sale question To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000e01c5726e$15321560$6701a8c0@TOMMY> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, Bill If you will contact NewGlasair directly they may be able to give you a document that will work. They had a policy of doing just that right after the Chapter12 stuff and the formation of the new company. Regards, Tommy James,former Glastar builder/owner/flyer -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of WILLIAM HUNTLEY Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 8:06 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Bill of sale question Does anyone have any experience with registering a aircraft kit without a bill of sale (Glastar bankruptcy) I started out with a KR2 which I donated to a non-profit that works with Diabetic pilots and switched to the Glastar. I received the complete kit but no Bill of sale. Any ideas are welcome! Thanks in advance KR guys and gals Bill Huntley _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 07:52:37 -0500 From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Bill of sale question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004c01c57272$46713670$5d817646@yourat5qgaac3z> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bill Huntley I don't know about aircraft but I built a boat and trailer and when I went to register same I was told that all I needed for a home built was a "Certificate of Origin". A certificate of origin is produced by the builder. I was further advised that in order to avoid being taxed, also furnish receipts for the materiels used to create both the boat and trailer. If you are a member of EAA, I am sure if you contact the following person: Joe Norris, EAA Aviation Services, EAA Aviation Center, Oshkosh, WI 888 322-4636, extension 6806 jnorris@eaa.org, he will have an answer for you. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM HUNTLEY" To: Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 7:06 AM Subject: KR> Bill of sale question > Does anyone have any experience with registering a aircraft kit > without a bill of sale (Glastar bankruptcy) I started out with a KR2 > which I donated to a non-profit that works with Diabetic pilots and > switched to the Glastar. I received the complete kit but no Bill of > sale. Any ideas are welcome! Thanks in advance KR guys and gals Bill > Huntley _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 21:08:22 +0800 From: Adriel Michaud Subject: KR> RE: what a day To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <42B179C6.7030500@yahoo.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mark, you're the only guy I've heard of who puts $4000 into an engine, countless hours into tweaking everything, time into installation and troubleshooting, taking pictures for others to learn from; then, when that engine dies a young and tragic death, says " tonight I'll start tearing down the "spare" 95 hp engine (after I have a beer or two). This is not really as bad as it sounds". That's a fantastic attitude. I would have blown a head gasket at losing the money and (mostly) the time I had put into that engine. Hmmm, a turbo would make the airplane nice and quiet. . .maybe you do have a point. But if you go with a front starter arrangement won't you have to modify your cowling to have a "stubby" nose? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:20:57 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> what a day./ glide rato.. To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050616082057.00839ca0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> So you were 4300' AGL and were able to glide 6.5 miles and make a >> safe >landing, is this correct? >> At what height and distance out did you deploy the flaps. > >That's what they told me, but that was to HSV, not to HUA where I >actually landed. Bill Clapp told me his glide ratio was 2.5:1, so >maybe that's the number you're fishing for. I didn't drop the flaps >until I knew I could make the runway, maybe a quarter mile out and a >few hundred feet up. Mark Langford ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Mark, Glad you kept your head straight and handled the situation like you did. As to the glide rato, some quick math would indicate you did much better than 2.5:1 as Bill indicated and I suspect his glide is much better than that also. Assuming you only had a 4 mile distance, 4300 feet AGL, and no wind I compute the following: - approx 2 1/2 minutes in the air at 90mph would give you approx a 1650 fpm decent rate which sounds about right to me. That's assuming a straight line decent with no altitude left at the landing site so I think you did better than that. I'm going to say you had a bit better than 5:1 glide which also sounds about right to me. Anything better than 4 miles, turns, altitude left (you used flaps), etc., would only improve the rato. The other biggest variable would be the wind and either a head wind or tailwind could change the numbers considerable. [ 90mph=1.5 miles per minute so 4 miles = 2min36sec] [ 4 miles = 21120 feet / 4300 = 4.9:1 rato ] [4300 / 2.6 minutes = 1650 fpm ] - At a 2.5:1 rato you would have gotten 2 miles distance using the same assumptions and one hell of a decent angle. - I've never performed glide test with the prop stopped but at idle power I see decent rates in the 500 to 700 fpm range at approx 75 to 80 mph. I doubt if a stopped propeller is going to tripple that number and my wingspan is actually 4 inches shorter than a plans built KR2 wing. - Whatever rato you got, we're all happy you had the altitude you needed !!!!!!! As always, your results may vary. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:31:20 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> what a day./ glide rato.. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <058c01c572c3$1ffada90$5600a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ----- Original Message ----- From: larry flesner I doubt if a stopped propeller is going to triple that number A stopped prop actually produces less drag, don't know the reason but have tried it in self launch gliders (without feathering the prop) both idling engine and stoped, there is noticeably less drag when the prop was stopped. Also it is better for the prop to stop vertically so any vortices from the prop don't upset the air flow over the wing, so I'm told but I couldn't tell the difference :-) regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:39:41 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> VE Mix Ratio To: Message-ID: <42B21BCD.000009.03408@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If you have the VinylEster Mix ratio for different temps, it would be great if you could send it to me. Matt Elder was kind enough to give me a little to build the recess box for our new fuel sender. danrh@alltel.net Thank you. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 17:50:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Dennis Mingear Subject: Re: KR> what a day./ glide rato.. To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050617005050.47489.qmail@web51408.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Your prop info you stated is exactly right and was also proven again during the testing of the KR-1B. I used to fly competion freeflight models and a windmilling prop was very bad for a models L/D. In several classes folding props were not allowed so everyone in those classes used prop stops or brakes of some kind. Denny ... --- Barry Kruyssen wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: larry flesner I > doubt if a stopped propeller is going to triple that > number > > A stopped prop actually produces less drag, don't > know the reason but have tried it in self launch > gliders (without feathering the prop) both idling > engine and stoped, there is noticeably less drag > when the prop was stopped. Also it is better for > the prop to stop vertically so any vortices from the > prop don't upset the air flow over the wing, so I'm > told but I couldn't tell the difference :-) > > regards > Barry Kruyssen > Cairns, Australia > RAA 19-3873 > > kr2@BigPond.com > http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > "I can train a monkey to wave an American flag. That does not make the monkey patriotic." Scott Ritter ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:37:55 -0500 (CDT) From: blindate@seark.net Subject: KR> What a landing To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1191.66.138.162.88.1118972275.squirrel@www.seark.net> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Mark,Way to go.You can be my wing man antime!Tommy W. ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 21:32:43 -0500 From: "Pat Driscoll" Subject: KR> Starting up To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <000801c572e4$d7441380$0500a8c0@domain.actdsltmp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I took the easy way out for now and used yahoo to make a web page. Once I get the hang of it, I'll do a proper page. There is only one picture now and it shows 2 hours work yesterday and two hours work today. I figure in two years at 2 hours a day for 5 days a week I'll have about `1000hrs.. That should be enough for to just about complete the plane unless I turn into either of the Mark's. If that happens I'll have something to do while in the Old Folks Home. www.geocities.com/pdrisco2000/pats page.HTML Pat Driscoll Saint Paul, MN patrick36@usfamily.net www.geocities.com/pdrisco2000/pats page.html Don't let them tell you the sky's the limit. Mans footprints are on the moon --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 21:45:32 -0500 From: "Pat Driscoll" Subject: KR> Screwed up To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <000c01c572e6$a227f7a0$0500a8c0@domain.actdsltmp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Guess I already screwed up the URL try www.geocities.com/pdrisco2000/pats_page.html Pat Driscoll Saint Paul, MN patrick36@usfamily.net www.geocities.com/pdrisco2000/pats_ page.html Don't let them tell you the sky's the limit. 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