From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 241 Date: 6/20/2005 9:33:02 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Windmilling (Serge VIDAL) 2. Gear legs. (Martindale Family) 3. Re: Windmilling (Gavin and Louise) 4. Re: Where To Start? (Donald Reid) 5. Re: Windmilling (patrusso) 6. R?f. : KR> ignition coil failure (Serge VIDAL) 7. R?f. : Re: KR> Windmilling (Serge VIDAL) 8. KR Database (Orma) 9. Re: Windmilling (Barry Kruyssen) 10. Re: Windmilling (phil brookman) 11. Re: KR Database (danrh@alltel.net) 12. RE: Mylar & Tape (Mark Jones) 13. Re: KR Database (Scott) 14. Lock your planes. (Mark Jones) 15. Re: Gear legs. (Jeff Scott) 16. Re: KR Database (Orma) 17. VW engine for sale (Don Chisholm) 18. Re: Re: KR> KR Database (danrh@alltel.net) 19. FAA final report. (Mark Jones) 20. (no subject) (patrusso) 21. Re: (no subject) (phil brookman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:39:22 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: KR> Windmilling To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This raises an interesting question: Is it possible to restart a VW engine by diving (I mean, make a steep dive in order to increase airflow and possibly force the prop to windmill), or is it a lost case? I wonder, because my VW 2.4 liter does not have a starter motor, and that would be the only way to restart... if it works. My gut feel would be that it wouldn't work. Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Golden, Kevin" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem.com@mylist.net 06/17/2005 17:15 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 06/17/2005 17:17 Pour : "'KRnet'" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : RE: KR> glide rato.. A windmilling prop does more than disturb air over the airframe. A windmilling prop will cause a huge amount of drag that is NEAR equal to the rotational disc of the prop. Not to worry. I haven't seen a VW or corvair windmill. Lycoming and Continentals will. Kevin. -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Mingear [mailto:dennismingear@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 9:02 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> glide rato.. If the prop stops in a horizontal position it will disturb the airflow over the wing, making it seem smaller than it actually is, this will reduce the planes L/D. If the prop stops vertically the airflow over the wing is not disturbed and you have more effective wing area, producing more lift, which improves the planes L/D. If the prop is windmilling it is intermittantly disturbing the airflow over the wing which is hurting the wings ability to produce lift and hurting the planes L/D. Denny ... --- "Kenneth B. Jones" wrote: > Perhaps the stopped prop is less drag because it's > stalled. > > Below is data taken from my flight test. My idle > setting was about 800 to > 900 rpm, a little high, at the time. Speeds are > indicated knots. My plane > stalls at about 50 knots indicated so I didn't check > the glide below 60 kts. > Surely the ratio will start back the other way > before it stalls. I have a > KR-2 with Diehl wings, 3 blade Warp drive taper > blade 58" prop set at 19.5 > degrees at the tip, A65, empty weight is 623 lbs., > full fuel is 14 gal and I > weigh about 180. > > Glide > Speed Descent Distance Glide > kts ft/min NM/1000 ft. Ratio > 60 400 2.50 15.18 > 65 442.5 2.45 12.93 > 70 525 2.22 11.73 > 75 625 2.00 10.56 > 80 750 1.78 9.39 > 85 800 1.77 9.35 > 90 900 1.67 8.80 > 95 1100 1.44 7.60 > 100 1500 1.11 5.87 > > > BTW, Bill's 2.5 miles per 1000 ft altitude is a > glide ratio of 13.2 : 1 (if > I calculated correctly). > > Ken Jones, kenbjones@cinci.rr.com > Sharonville, OH > N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barry Kruyssen" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 6:31 PM > Subject: Re: KR> what a day./ glide rato.. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: larry flesner > I doubt if a stopped > > propeller is going to triple that number > > > > A stopped prop actually produces less drag, don't > know the reason but have > > tried it in self launch gliders (without > feathering the prop) both idling > > engine and stoped, there is noticeably less drag > when the prop was > > stopped. Also it is better for the prop to stop > vertically so any > > vortices from the prop don't upset the air flow > over the wing, so I'm told > > but I couldn't tell the difference :-) > > > > regards > > Barry Kruyssen > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > "I can train a monkey to wave an American flag. That does not make the monkey patriotic." Scott Ritter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message.* _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:41:08 +1000 From: "Martindale Family" Subject: KR> Gear legs. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003401c5757c$2f888dc0$e7e7eddc@martindale> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey Jeff Are they set at a steeper angle or are they thicker to take out some of the springiness? Must look like a KR on stilts or do you extend the tailwheel as well. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:14 AM Subject: Re: KR> glide rato.. > 30" Diehl gear legs. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:31:53 +1000 From: "Gavin and Louise" Subject: Re: KR> Windmilling To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000a01c57583$46a19f90$0100000a@gavin> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Is it possible to restart a VW engine by diving (I mean, make a steep dive in order to increase airflow and possibly force the prop to windmill), or is it a lost case? I wonder, because my VW 2.4 liter does not have a starter motor, and that would be the only way to restart... if it works. It works with Lycos and Continentals why wouldn't it work with a VW???? Gav ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:21:53 -0400 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> Where To Start? To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.2.20050619211215.01b91568@mail.peoplepc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:23 PM 6/19/2005, you wrote: >One question that I have found no answer for is has anyone tried to run >hydraulic controls for all the systems i.e. rudder elevator etc? This is a really bad idea since it adds complexity, weight, and a whole new set of failure modes. Big airplanes use electro-hydraulic controls for a reason. You do not want to fool with them. As a general rule of airplane design, if something is done a certain way there is probably a good reason. In the century of flight, people try lots of things. The smart ones did not get killed and the dumb ones did. This is the most basic form of evolution. If you are going to try something new and creative, then you must be smarter and a better engineer than the people who went before you. Don Reid - donreid "at" peoplepc.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: AeroFoil, a 2-D Airfoil Design And Analysis Computer Program: http://aerofoilengineering.com KR2XL construction: http://aerofoilengineering.com/KR/KR2XL.htm Aviation Surplus: http://aerofoilengineering.com/PartsListing/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 06:54:35 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> Windmilling To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000601c57586$72be9fd0$85a672d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Gav A clue?? Think about the principal of the lever. The longer it is, the easier to move that obstacle or the shorter it is, the more effort will be required. The lycs and the continentals have a larger lever! Pat R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin and Louise" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:31 AM Subject: Re: KR> Windmilling > > Is it possible to restart a VW engine by diving (I mean, make a steep > dive in order to increase airflow and possibly force the prop to > windmill), or is it a lost case? > > I wonder, because my VW 2.4 liter does not have a starter motor, and > that would be the only way to restart... if it works. > > > > > It works with Lycos and Continentals why wouldn't it work with a > VW???? > > > Gav > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:02:52 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : KR> ignition coil failure To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Phil, Any of these motorcycle coils would do. Get one from a reputable Japanese make. As for the mounting, don't mount them on the engine. Clamp them to the firewall, one way or another. Fire, mine are mounted on a tray that is screwed to the firewall.Each of my coils (I have 4, due to dual ignition) is suspended on rubber grommets. Beware, the grounding is generally done through the mounting screws, so maintain good contact. Pictures available on request. Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "phil brookman" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-06-20 02:21 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-06-20 09:07 Pour : cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> ignition coil failure hi all i have a 1834 vw with hapi conversion and have a coil gone down looking in the log book its the 3-4 coil its had 130 hrs its a blue coil with 2 outlets - ht cables and one lt feed into it i am told they are harly davidson coils question can i stick any coil on ,thats siutable for 12v operation therre are many motorcycle coild out there , so wondering if one of them would be a whole lot better been told to mount them on the firewall so they get less vibration comments please philNo virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.7/20 - Release Date: 16/06/2005 _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:05:59 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : Re: KR> Windmilling To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Because of the much higher compression ratio, and much smaller prop. Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Gavin and Louise" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-06-20 12:31 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-06-20 12:32 Pour : "KRnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: KR> Windmilling Is it possible to restart a VW engine by diving (I mean, make a steep dive in order to increase airflow and possibly force the prop to windmill), or is it a lost case? I wonder, because my VW 2.4 liter does not have a starter motor, and that would be the only way to restart... if it works. It works with Lycos and Continentals why wouldn't it work with a VW???? Gav _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:00:31 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: KR> KR Database To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00ad01c5758f$a936ef50$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Net Yesterday I has a short discussion with Mark L on the subject of a KR database. Below is a copy of part of what I presented to him. "I tried to answer a question for someone today and went looking for pictures of O-200 powered KR's. My efforts made me wish that we had a KR data base to go into and look up things about the KR's that are out there. We came close with the KRnet members year book. I'm not sure how much space is required and I truly don't have the skill to build the database, but I do have space for two databases at Aviation-Mechanics.com. Of course that does depend on the number of MB's required. I would like to see such things as small pictures of planes and owners, facts like: type engine, no of cyl's, Eng Manuf, engine Capacity, and a lot of other data like prop size and make, and on and on. It would be excellent if each owner could fill in an online form which could be automatically uploaded into the data base or cut and pasted as a DB record by an administrator. What do you think? If I remember correctly there is someone in our group that has the skills." I'm sure that someone in our group has the skills, it would just be volunteering the time to create the database. We tried before to get one off the ground and it did not happen. Perhaps this time we can make a functional database for all to use. At this point I am asking for someone who has DB skills to step forward. A little later I will ask for input on things to include. Please contact me off net with your reply. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:06:45 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> Windmilling To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007201c57590$89ae2940$5600a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It should be possible on a VW to windmill start. I have windmill started a Rotax 912S (100hp) with a reduction box. The dive was to nearly 100kts to get it to turn over and the drag was enormous while windmilling (forgot to turn the ignitions on). All went well once the ignitions were on :-) regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Serge VIDAL This raises an interesting question: Is it possible to restart a VW engine by diving (I mean, make a steep dive in order to increase airflow and possibly force the prop to windmill), or is it a lost case? I wonder, because my VW 2.4 liter does not have a starter motor, and that would be the only way to restart... if it works. My gut feel would be that it wouldn't work. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:26:11 +0100 From: "phil brookman" Subject: Re: KR> Windmilling To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000f01c57593$3e647360$73a51352@philljl2re6t9i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 will someone dare try it then over a big airport and tell us the speed very useful info potentially p ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Kruyssen" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 1:06 PM Subject: Re: KR> Windmilling > It should be possible on a VW to windmill start. > > I have windmill started a Rotax 912S (100hp) with a reduction box. > The dive was to nearly 100kts to get it to turn over and the drag was enormous while windmilling (forgot to turn the ignitions on). All went well once the ignitions were on :-) > > regards > Barry Kruyssen > Cairns, Australia > RAA 19-3873 > > kr2@BigPond.com > http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Serge VIDAL > > > This raises an interesting question: > > Is it possible to restart a VW engine by diving (I mean, make a > steep dive > in order to increase airflow and possibly force the prop to > windmill), or > is it a lost case? > > I wonder, because my VW 2.4 liter does not have a starter motor, and that > would be the only way to restart... if it works. > > My gut feel would be that it wouldn't work. > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: > 17/06/2005 > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 20396 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 17/06/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 7:38:40 -0500 From: Subject: Re: KR> KR Database To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050620123840.LBMV8494.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@[166.102.165.30]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What kind of a DB do you want? MS Access, MySQL? Do you have the DB software? Dan From: "Orma" Date: 2005/06/20 Mon AM 07:00:31 CDT To: "KRnet" Subject: KR> KR Database Hello Net Yesterday I has a short discussion with Mark L on the subject of a KR database. Below is a copy of part of what I presented to him. "I tried to answer a question for someone today and went looking for pictures of O-200 powered KR's. My efforts made me wish that we had a KR data base to go into and look up things about the KR's that are out there. We came close with the KRnet members year book. I'm not sure how much space is required and I truly don't have the skill to build the database, but I do have space for two databases at Aviation-Mechanics.com. Of course that does depend on the number of MB's required. I would like to see such things as small pictures of planes and owners, facts like: type engine, no of cyl's, Eng Manuf, engine Capacity, and a lot of other data like prop size and make, and on and on. It would be excellent if each owner could fill in an online form which could be automatically uploaded into the data base or cut and pasted as a DB record by an administrator. What do you think? If I remember correctly there is someone in our group that has the skills." I'm sure that someone in our group has the skills, it would just be volunteering the time to create the database. We tried before to get one off the ground and it did not happen. Perhaps this time we can make a functional database for all to use. At this point I am asking for someone who has DB skills to step forward. A little later I will ask for input on things to include. Please contact me off net with your reply. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 07:42:53 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: KR>Mylar & Tape To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F357C4265@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Steve, great to hear you are back in the air. This is a positive note for the KRvair guys after the recent chain of events. I should be back in the air next weekend. The following two links will give you the info needed to buy Mylar (use.010 thickness) and 3M #444 (1/2" wide works perfect) double sided tape. There is a minimum order of 12' on the Mylar and it is 11 1/4" wide. There is a minimum of 2 rolls of the tape at 36 yards each. All together that is enough to do four sets of ailerons. With shipping charges included you will spend right at $40.00. I have already sold off my extra or I would have been glad to share. Find someone to take half and keep a set for a spare. Here are the links: Mylar: http://www.surplussales.com/RF/RFTeflon-Mylar_sht.html 3M Tape: http://www.uline.com/Browse_Listing_6025.asp Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of FIXERJONES@aol.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 10:01 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> kr hi everyone, does someone out there have enough extra gap seal mat'l i can buy for my kr2 wings, i can buy? steve jones, n212kr, venice fl oh yea, an update , n212 kr is up & flyin with it's new turbo corvair eng. & so far no problems other than too much prop, soon to be resolved.10 hrs tt so far! it's a real power house. with 10 inches of too much pitch @ 2500 rpm's , it'll still climb 1500 ft/min all the way up,so far to 6500 ft. cant wait to try the right prop & get 3800 rpm :-) _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:52:26 -0400 From: Scott Subject: Re: KR> KR Database To: KRnet Message-ID: <42B6BC0A.4010007@ctc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed We have the beginnings of one at http://krnet.scottstanton.us/cgi-bin/krnet_list.pl. It doesn't have a particular space for engines, but there is a Status section that could be used for engines on completed projects. So for you guys who have completed projects, go back and update your status to show what type of engine-prop setup you have on your bird. And if you don't feel right putting your street address in the form then at the least put your city. Scott Raleigh NC Orma wrote: >Hello Net > >Yesterday I has a short discussion with Mark L on the subject of a KR >database. Below is a copy of part of what I presented to him. > >"I tried to answer a question for someone today and went looking for >pictures of O-200 powered KR's. My efforts made me wish that we had a KR data base to go into and look up things about the KR's that are out there. We came close with the KRnet members year book. >I'm not sure how much space is required and I truly don't have the skill to build the database, but I do have space for two databases at Aviation-Mechanics.com. Of course that does depend on the number of MB's required. >I would like to see such things as small pictures of planes and owners, facts like: type engine, no of cyl's, Eng Manuf, engine Capacity, and a lot of other data like prop size and make, and on and on. >It would be excellent if each owner could fill in an online form which could be automatically uploaded into the data base or cut and pasted as a DB record by an administrator. >What do you think? If I remember correctly there is someone in our group that has the skills." > >I'm sure that someone in our group has the skills, it would just be >volunteering the time to create the database. We tried before to get >one off the ground and it did not happen. Perhaps this time we can >make a functional database for all to use. At this point I am asking >for someone who has DB skills to step forward. A little later I will >ask for input on things to include. Please contact me off net with >your reply. > >Orma >Southfield, MI >N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year >Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust >http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:08:47 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Lock your planes. To: "KR Net \(E-mail\)" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F357C4268@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I just had to post this. Some folks in Fort Payne, Ala., learned a hard lesson last week -- if you surround your airport with a security fence but then leave the gate unlocked, well, you have not secured the field. A 14-year-old boy, driving a van he allegedly stole from his grandmother, arrived at the airport late last Wednesday night, apparently found the gate open, and went looking around. He came across a Cessna 152 unlocked with the key inside, and started it up. He told police later that he had no prior flight experience but was "driving around" in the airplane when he inadvertently found himself airborne. He landed once and took off again, this time flying a bit farther from the airport. ...As The Unexpected Proves Inevitable... On his second landing, he landed hard, gave it some throttle to avoid the fence, then came down on the road outside the airport. The aircraft was damaged and the boy suffered minor cuts and bruises. Altogether his flight lasted less than half an hour. "It's a miracle the boy wasn't killed or someone else wasn't hurt or killed or that we didn't have significant property damage from the plane crashing somewhere else," Fort Payne Mayor Bill Jordan told the Times-Journal. "The last thing you think about is a 14-year-old stealing a plane from the airport." Airport manager Larry Noble Cowart told The Associated Press, "We've never had a problem before with planes being stolen, so I guess we have been a little lax in our security." The boy was taken to a juvenile detention facility by authorities, charged with stealing the Cessna. ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:14:12 GMT From: "Jeff Scott" Subject: Re: KR> Gear legs. To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050620.061417.5104.157782@webmail06.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain No, No, and yes. There are lots of photos on the web from the gatherings. You'll have to judge for yourself. -Jeff -- "Martindale Family" wrote: Hey Jeff Are they set at a steeper angle or are they thicker to take out some of the springiness? Must look like a KR on stilts or do you extend the tailwheel as well. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:14 AM Subject: Re: KR> glide rato.. > 30" Diehl gear legs. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:15:48 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> KR Database To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00ce01c5759a$2d6a9420$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello Scott Thanks for pointing me to the Krnet list. It is better then the original effort. What I envision is a database that is searchable, so that if I wanted to know who has a KR with an O-200, I can sort the list and at the top will be all the O-200 powered KR's. There would be links to projects and pictures as well. Every list that exists presently can not do this. If you wanted to know which prop is the most widely used on the KR the only way to know is to post a request on the net and hope for a response. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:52:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> VW engine for sale To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050620135247.49017.qmail@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Darryl Gilbert from Gilbert Custom Aircraft has a 1915 cc VW engine for sale for $2500. The engine is complete set up for dual ignition with a top mount starter accessory case and is new never been run. He also has other engines from A 75 to 0 200 Continentals 0 235 to 0 360 Lycomings. his engines are first class and reasonable. My 2S project just moved up to a 0 235 Lycoming with high compression pistons his website can be accessed through gilbert custom aircraft ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 9:26:05 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: KR> KR Database To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050620142605.OUGD8494.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@[166.102.165.30]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just went to my record and do not see any place for information about engines and props. Dan From: Scott Date: 2005/06/20 Mon AM 07:52:26 CDT To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> KR Database We have the beginnings of one at http://krnet.scottstanton.us/cgi-bin/krnet_list.pl. It doesn't have a particular space for engines, but there is a Status section that could be used for engines on completed projects. So for you guys who have completed projects, go back and update your status to show what type of engine-prop setup you have on your bird. And if you don't feel right putting your street address in the form then at the least put your city. Scott Raleigh NC Orma wrote: >Hello Net > >Yesterday I has a short discussion with Mark L on the subject of a KR >database. Below is a copy of part of what I presented to him. > >"I tried to answer a question for someone today and went looking for >pictures of O-200 powered KR's. My efforts made me wish that we had a KR data base to go into and look up things about the KR's that are out there. We came close with the KRnet members year book. >I'm not sure how much space is required and I truly don't have the skill to build the database, but I do have space for two databases at Aviation-Mechanics.com. Of course that does depend on the number of MB's required. >I would like to see such things as small pictures of planes and owners, facts like: type engine, no of cyl's, Eng Manuf, engine Capacity, and a lot of other data like prop size and make, and on and on. >It would be excellent if each owner could fill in an online form which could be automatically uploaded into the data base or cut and pasted as a DB record by an administrator. >What do you think? If I remember correctly there is someone in our group that has the skills." > >I'm sure that someone in our group has the skills, it would just be >volunteering the time to create the database. We tried before to get >one off the ground and it did not happen. Perhaps this time we can >make a functional database for all to use. At this point I am asking >for someone who has DB skills to step forward. A little later I will >ask for input on things to include. Please contact me off net with >your reply. > >Orma >Southfield, MI >N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year >Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust >http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:41:44 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> FAA final report. To: "KR Net \(E-mail\)" , "CorvAircraft \(E-mail\)" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F357C426D@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This is the FAA final report on Bob Lester's forced landing and broken crankshaft. Very interesting reading. http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20050616X00780 &ntsbno=ATL05CA083&akey=1 Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:00:29 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: KR> (no subject) To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003201c575b1$2e5dfd60$2fa772d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Got a few extra goodies for sale,...make an offer! 1-Hapi accessory with aluminum flywheel, starter boss in the 6 o'clock position, starter mounting holes 3.5 inches on center. Do not have the voltage regulator. 2-Posa carb, 29 mm. Probably not adequate for engines larger than 1835cc. 3- Remote oil cooler, new. 4-Slick magneto, model# 4216, RH rotation, serial no. 9060014, lag25, WTHOUT harness. Pat Russo,..patrusso@sover.net ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:32:55 +0100 From: "phil brookman" Subject: Re: KR> (no subject) To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003201c575b5$b5f9bb20$73a51352@philljl2re6t9i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 doyou have the ign coils or the generater at all p ----- Original Message ----- From: "patrusso" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 5:00 PM Subject: KR> (no subject) > Got a few extra goodies for sale,...make an offer! > 1-Hapi accessory with aluminum flywheel, starter boss in the 6 o'clock position, starter mounting holes 3.5 inches on center. Do not have the voltage regulator. > 2-Posa carb, 29 mm. Probably not adequate for engines larger than > 1835cc. > 3- Remote oil cooler, new. > 4-Slick magneto, model# 4216, RH rotation, serial no. 9060014, lag25, WTHOUT harness. > > Pat Russo,..patrusso@sover.net _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 17/06/2005 > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 20417 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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