From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 266 Date: 7/10/2005 9:00:17 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Second and third flight. (Lee Van Dyke) 2. turtle deck 4 KR2s (wilder_jeff Wilder) 3. Re: Matco Brake Linings (Orma) 4. The Stall (Mark Jones) 5. Re: The Stall (Dennis Mingear) 6. Re: The Stall (Dennis Mingear) 7. Ailerons and stalls (Colin & Bev Rainey) 8. RE: Ailerons and stalls (Joachim Saupe) 9. Re: The Stall (James Ferris) 10. Re: The Stall (Dennis Mingear) 11. Re: Ailerons and stalls (Dennis Mingear) 12. problems posting to the list? (Mark Langford) 13. Re: The Stall (Orma) 14. RE: problems posting to the list? (Joachim Saupe) 15. Fuel Leak Repair (Dan Heath) 16. The Stall (larry flesner) 17. Re: Fuel Leak Repair (Orma) 18. Re: The Stall (Dennis Mingear) 19. RE: The Stall (Brian Kraut) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:39:04 -0700 From: "Lee Van Dyke" Subject: Re: KR> Second and third flight. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001f01c58509$510a5a40$6401a8c0@SNAKEBITE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I was just looking at the trouble shooting chart from great plains,, and they too say poss lean, or too much pitch... running lean is an easy fix. I will try that first. Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 6:38 PM Subject: RE: KR> Second and third flight. > Make sure that your mixture is not lean. On my KR with a VW I had it > set on > the lean side and it would get pretty hot, but still sounded fine. > > I am up to 15.4 hours on my Midget Mustang so far and I have at least > that much time and about $800 into fixing all the little things that > break during > the first few hours. That is just the way it works. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of Lee Van Dyke > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 4:46 PM > To: KRnet > Subject: KR> Second and third flight. > > > Netters, > > Went out to the airport today 6AM to test the new prop with another flight. > Weather calm, temp 90 degrees. Started it up and got the temp up, > taxied out to active and waited for the traffic to clear. Several > planes this morning, decided to go, was cleared to T/O. Throttle to > full 3200 RPM's, rotated @ 90 climed out @110. I noticed right side > CHT climbing to 460 +... > called the tower and let them know that I would be making a full stop, they > asked if I needed any help, (same controller as lest time). I said no that > temp was a little high and wanted to check it out. I leveled out @ pattern > altitude and the temp came down, not much. Touch down was pretty good > not baby butt smooth. I trimmed some baffleing and added some rubber > up front. > Started it up again and taxied to active. Cleared for T/O to orbit > the airport. rotated @ 90 climbed out @ 110, temp started to climb > again, once > I leveled off at altitude the temp dropped a little. I thought what > the heck, it's not gong any higher, why not stay up.. I flew for > about 45 minutes, and decided to land. Problem with the radio, I > could hear, but could not transmit. Wow what next. I started > circling just outside pattern, 3 times nothing, then I flew a down > wind.... nothing,,, I made another circle, nothing,, another,,,, then > tower called my N #,,, yeh,,,, wag the wings, he asked If I wanted to > land,, wag.. ok cleared for down wind,,, wag,,, cleared to land,,, > wag,,, 120... downwind,, 100 base... 90 final.... seemed a little > fast for me, so when I flared,, I ballooned a little,, (ok alot) > airspeed droped to below 70... started to settle. left wing down... > not good... I got it leveled when I hit, but I dropped a lilttle hard > for the spring gear. The spring hit the top of the Stub wing. > A small patch will be needed... I the left aileron some repair,,, sad > day for the plane,,, I was happy with a 1 hour flight. I won't be > able to fly back to Oshkosh but I will be there. I will fly to the > gathering... > > PS any help on CHT problem would be great.... the sensor is at the > front on that side... > > Snakebite > > Lee Van Dyke > Mesa AZ > Lee@vandyke5.com > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 23:19:44 -0600 From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" Subject: KR> turtle deck 4 KR2s To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed All, tonight I've built my mold for the turtle deck.. hopefully tomorrow I can get a good piece off of it. I should be finished with it this next week. I created formers.. run 1x2 stringers down the spine and the bottom ( total of 3 ). I then wet and wrapped ply around the formers... nailed and screwed to hold the shape. Its 11:00 pm.. I am done for the night.. but tomorrow, I plan on running 6in fiberglass tape of the center seam to cover the screw head and the bottom of the turtle deck. If I can find a site to upload some pics to, I'll get the pics of what it looks like. anyway, if anyone would like to use it when I am finished... its open for the takings.. I'm in central Colorado. -Jeff ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:54:43 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Matco Brake Linings To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007401c58546$2a20e150$0202a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Jeff is correct in that I have changed mine several times. I did not respond immediately because there are several brake pad part numbers which have holes that are close to the correct, yet slightly off. I'm going to the airport tomorrow and I will take mine off and compare to the one's that I have in stock to see which part number is correct. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 12:45:40 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> The Stall To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <003501c58577$305c87a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This morning I was again at the airport at 6 am. There were several minor things I needed to prior to flight today. At 9 am, I was ready to go, taxied out and off we went. Climb was 1100 fpm up to 4000' where I leveled off and played around a while. The air was again as smooth as glass but it was much hotter in the cockpit today. I have got to hook up my fresh air cabin vent. Anyway, I proceeded on up to 7500' and leveled off there and stayed up there for quite a while. I then decided to do some gliding so I pulled the throttle back to 800 rpm. Slowly, the airspeed bled off until I could not hold altitude. That is when I decided to do my first full stall in my KR. 80 mph....70 mph....65 mph....keep the ball centered while ever so gradually pulling back on the stick.....62 mph I've got very mild buffeting....60 mph a little stronger buffeting......58 mph really getting mushy and watching that ball and that was the last time I looked at the airspeed indicator.....the KR (AS5046 airfoil) went into a full stall with a very prominent break from lift. The left wing dropped slightly which was easily corrected by right rudder and right aileron. The nose made a swift break but recovered and stabilized quick with power application and forward stick. Wow, that was fun. Yes, I admit the heart was pumping a little fast during this exercise but what do you expect when it is your first stall in an airplane you built and you are the test pilot. All in all, it was a text book stall which yielded, of course, a big YEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. Gotta love the KR because it is addicting!!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:49:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Dennis Mingear Subject: Re: KR> The Stall To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050710174934.40969.qmail@web51410.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks for the report, good reading, but please be very careful when using aileron during your stall tests. You don't want to seperate the airflow from a wingtip and initiate a soin, that would be exciting. Denny ... --- Mark Jones wrote: > This morning I was again at the airport at 6 am. > There were several minor things I needed to prior to > flight today. At 9 am, I was ready to go, taxied out > and off we went. Climb was 1100 fpm up to 4000' > where I leveled off and played around a while. The > air was again as smooth as glass but it was much > hotter in the cockpit today. I have got to hook up > my fresh air cabin vent. Anyway, I proceeded on up > to 7500' and leveled off there and stayed up there > for quite a while. I then decided to do some gliding > so I pulled the throttle back to 800 rpm. Slowly, > the airspeed bled off until I could not hold > altitude. That is when I decided to do my first full > stall in my KR. 80 mph....70 mph....65 mph....keep > the balThanks for the report, good readingl centered while ever so gradually pulling > back on the stick.....62 mph I've got very mild buffeting....60 mph a > little stronger buffeting......58 mph really getting mushy and > watching that ball and that was the last time I > looked at the airspeed indicator.....the KR (AS5046 > airfoil) went into a full stall with a very > prominent break from lift. The left wing dropped > slightly which was easily corrected by right rudder > and right aileron. The nose made a swift break but > recovered and stabilized quick with power > application and forward stick. Wow, that was fun. > Yes, I admit the heart was pumping a little fast > during this exercise but what do you expect when it > is your first stall in an airplane you built and you > are the test pilot. All in all, it was a text book > stall which yielded, of course, a big YEEEEEEEEEE > HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. Gotta love the KR > because it is addicting!!!! > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > "I can train a monkey to wave an American flag. That does not make the monkey patriotic." Scott Ritter ____________________________________________________ Sell on Yahoo! Auctions – no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:52:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Dennis Mingear Subject: Re: KR> The Stall To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050710175258.50258.qmail@web51404.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thats "spin" not "soin". Denny ... my bad! --- Dennis Mingear wrote: > Thanks for the report, good reading, but please be > very careful when using aileron during your stall > tests. You don't want to seperate the airflow from a > wingtip and initiate a soin, that would be exciting. > > Denny ... > > --- Mark Jones wrote: > > > This morning I was again at the airport at 6 am. > > There were several minor things I needed to prior > to > > flight today. At 9 am, I was ready to go, taxied > out > > and off we went. Climb was 1100 fpm up to 4000' > > where I leveled off and played around a while. The > > air was again as smooth as glass but it was much > > hotter in the cockpit today. I have got to hook up > > my fresh air cabin vent. Anyway, I proceeded on up > > to 7500' and leveled off there and stayed up there > > for quite a while. I then decided to do some > gliding > > so I pulled the throttle back to 800 rpm. Slowly, > > the airspeed bled off until I could not hold > > altitude. That is when I decided to do my first > full > > stall in my KR. 80 mph....70 mph....65 mph....keep > > the balThanks for the report, good readingl > centered > while ever so gradually pulling > > back on the stick.....62 mph I've got very mild buffeting....60 mph > > a little stronger buffeting......58 mph really getting mushy and > > watching that ball and that was the last time I > > looked at the airspeed indicator.....the KR > (AS5046 > > airfoil) went into a full stall with a very > > prominent break from lift. The left wing dropped > > slightly which was easily corrected by right > rudder > > and right aileron. The nose made a swift break but recovered and > > stabilized quick with power application and forward stick. Wow, that > > was fun. Yes, I admit the heart was pumping a little fast > > during this exercise but what do you expect when > it > > is your first stall in an airplane you built and > you > > are the test pilot. All in all, it was a text book > > stall which yielded, of course, a big YEEEEEEEEEE > > HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. Gotta love the KR because it is > > addicting!!!! > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI USA > > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at > > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > "I can train a monkey to wave an American flag. That > does not make the monkey patriotic." > > Scott Ritter > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Sell on Yahoo! Auctions – no fees. Bid on great > items. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > "I can train a monkey to wave an American flag. That does not make the monkey patriotic." Scott Ritter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:51:36 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Ailerons and stalls To: Message-ID: <00b701c58580$66853080$1f412141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Netters It is a common mis-conception that you cannot use ailerons when either practicing stalls or when actually experiencing stalls. Young CFI's typically make such a big deal about this that pilots mis-understand the warning that goes along with the statement watch how much aileron you use when stalling. The important thing to remember is to always stay COORDINATED. You can use full aileron deflection in any properly designed aircraft and will NOT induce a spin, because coordinated flight will insure both wings still stall equally. It is when you are uncoordinated, AND you apply significant aileron input that one wing becomes more stalled and begins the rotation of the incipient or beginning part of the spin. As Mark Jones stated when the aircraft begins to try and rotate, applying opposite rudder first and judicious aileron will correct the situation just fine. A perfect stall execution except without being coordinated will always end in some kind of attempt of the plane to begin rotating due to this uncoordination. Any pilot going through primary training right now will note that in the new Private Pilot PTS the applicant is required to demonstrate proper stall recoveries from power on stalls in turns up to 20 degrees. These are found by the student to be routine during training due to the fact that if he/she stays coordinated, both wings stall the same, and the aircraft drops its nose level, and a normal recovery is experienced. There is good reason we are training for these stalls now. Takeoff departure leg to crosswind, and crosswind to downwind turning stalls are on the rise in General Aviation, and are very dangerous due to the low altitude associated with their recovery. All KR pilots should become GRADUALLY very familiar with the stall characteristics of their particular KR's in all weight and configurations (with and without flaps etc...) in order to be as safe as possible. Stall recognition should also be practiced along with the recovery without looking at the panel, but just recognizing it by the feel of the flight controls, and the view of the outside flight sight picture. The pattern at some airports can get very busy and your ability to know your airplane from the outside view will keep your head outside where the danger is and not inside fixed on the panel. Colin KSFB Sanford, FL ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:12:57 -0500 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: RE: KR> Ailerons and stalls To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220057010191257937@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Colin, excellent explanation! I was tempted to respond but you did a much better job than I could have! How is mother nature treating you? Joachim > [Original Message] > From: Colin & Bev Rainey > To: > Date: 7/10/2005 1:49:38 PM > Subject: KR> Ailerons and stalls > > Netters > It is a common mis-conception that you cannot use ailerons when either practicing stalls or when actually experiencing stalls. Young CFI's typically make such a big deal about this that pilots mis-understand the warning that goes along with the statement > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:33:42 -0400 From: James Ferris Subject: Re: KR> The Stall To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050710.153342.1364.0.mijnil@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Whats a soin? ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:10:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Dennis Mingear Subject: Re: KR> The Stall To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050710201041.69396.qmail@web51405.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 A soin is a spin without the p. Denny ... --- James Ferris wrote: > Whats a soin? > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > "I can train a monkey to wave an American flag. That does not make the monkey patriotic." Scott Ritter ____________________________________________________ Sell on Yahoo! Auctions – no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:21:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Dennis Mingear Subject: Re: KR> Ailerons and stalls To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050710202128.71804.qmail@web51405.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks for the additional info. I fly giders and it is possible to initiate a spin during a stall by quickly deflecting the ailerons and when flying any new plane considerable caution should be excersized until the flight envelop has been properly explored in a structured systematic way. Denny ... --- Colin & Bev Rainey wrote: > Netters > It is a common mis-conception that you cannot use > ailerons when either practicing stalls or when > actually experiencing stalls. Young CFI's typically > make such a big deal about this that pilots > mis-understand the warning that goes along with the > statement watch how much aileron you use when > stalling. The important thing to remember is to > always stay COORDINATED. You can use full aileron > deflection in any properly designed aircraft and > will NOT induce a spin, because coordinated flight > will insure both wings still stall equally. It is > when you are uncoordinated, AND you apply > significant aileron input that one wing becomes more > stalled and begins the rotation of the incipient or > beginning part of the spin. As Mark Jones stated > when the aircraft begins to try and rotate, applying > opposite rudder first and judicious aileron will > correct the situation just fine. A perfect stall > execution except without being coordinated will > always end in some kind of attempt of the plane to > begin rotating due to this uncoordination. Any > pilot going through primary training right now will > note that in the new Private Pilot PTS the applicant > is required to demonstrate proper stall recoveries > from power on stalls in turns up to 20 degrees. > These are found by the student to be routine during > training due to the fact that if he/she stays > coordinated, both wings stall the same, and the > aircraft drops its nose level, and a normal recovery > is experienced. There is good reason we are > training for these stalls now. Takeoff departure leg > to crosswind, and crosswind to downwind turning > stalls are on the rise in General Aviation, and are > very dangerous due to the low altitude associated > with their recovery. > > All KR pilots should become GRADUALLY very familiar > with the stall characteristics of their particular > KR's in all weight and configurations (with and > without flaps etc...) in order to be as safe as > possible. Stall recognition should also be practiced > along with the recovery without looking at the > panel, but just recognizing it by the feel of the > flight controls, and the view of the outside flight > sight picture. The pattern at some airports can get > very busy and your ability to know your airplane > from the outside view will keep your head outside > where the danger is and not inside fixed on the > panel. > > Colin > KSFB > Sanford, FL > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > "I can train a monkey to wave an American flag. That does not make the monkey patriotic." Scott Ritter __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 16:19:22 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> problems posting to the list? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <05fa01c58595$0aea5d80$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" NetHeads, Every couple of days I get a message saying somebody can't post to the list, but are receiving them just fine. There are three reasons that can cause this: 1) You just set up a "new" computer and the default is "normally" to send all email as HTML. The server rejects these, but doesn't bother to notify you, so you simply don't get through. The remedy is to go into your "tools", "options", and "send" (in Outlook Express) and change your "mail sending format" to "plain text". That'll fix it. 2) You just set up a "new computer" and you incorrectly typed your email address in the "reply to" field while setting up Outlook Express. This will lead to all kind of problems, but you won't be able to post because your reply-to address doesn't match the address from which you're subscribed, so it fails. Best policy is to leave the "reply to" field blank. The only folks that need that are spammers or others who don't want you to know how to reply to their messages. 3) You're trying to post from work or some other email account from which you are not subscribed. The list should inform you that you are not a member of the list, and that should be your first clue. Some people get irrate, convinced that their God-given right to post has been revoked by the moderator jerk, and I get nasty emails. The easy answer is to join from both accounts (send a message to krnet-join@mylist.net from the "excluded" account, and set one of them to receive no posts, so you don't get them twice. If you suddenly stop receiving email from the list entirely, the first place to look is your ISP's spam filter. That'll kill everything from the list in a heartbeat. It's happened to me. This might be a good time to mention that there are more details about the list at http://www.krnet.org/info.html . This message was sent purely in self defense... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:30:07 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> The Stall To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <009301c58596$8c0e1950$0202a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original After you have made several stalls and it becomes old had, so to speak, you must take the ride. You know, the ride down, the ride where you are going down for much longer then the time to recover. Point the nose down and ride it at say 180 and tell me which is more fun, the ride or a roller coaster. Orma ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:01:54 -0500 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: RE: KR> problems posting to the list? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-22005701022154703@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Mark, <> I for one truly appreciate you moderating this list! Joachim ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:29:02 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Fuel Leak Repair To: Message-ID: <42D1AF3E.000005.05464@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I had discovered a fuel leak. Today Jerry came over and we found where it was coming from. This is how I fixed it and what caused it. This also gave me some insight as to why our old fuel probe did not work. Builders who may have installed such things a very long time ago, may want to look at these pics. http://kr-builder.org/FinishingUp/FuelLeakRepair/index.html See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:48:03 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> The Stall To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050710184803.0083bdd0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Thanks for the report, good reading, but please be >very careful when using aileron during your stall >tests. You don't want to seperate the airflow from a >wingtip and initiate a soin, that would be exciting. >Denny ... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ My KR, which is built and rigged to plans except for the 24" stretch, will not respond to raising a wing using rudder. However, the ailerons are effective up to and through the stall. If I try to "rudder" a wing up it causes the nose to pitch down from, I suspect, a partial blanking out of the horz stab / elevator. If I stay off the rudder it will keep the ball centered on its own. So, I just treat it like it wants to be treated and we get along just fine. As always , your results may vary.......... Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:55:16 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Leak Repair To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <009e01c585aa$d316aba0$0202a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello Dan and Jerry That was an excellent repair you guy's made. Orma ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 17:01:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Dennis Mingear Subject: Re: KR> The Stall To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050711000137.72841.qmail@web51407.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks for telling us about your flying adventures Larry. I've leaned a lot about KR flight behavior from this thread. Has anyone here spun their KR? What king of spin recovery technique did you employ? Denny ... --- larry flesner wrote: > > >Thanks for the report, good reading, but please be > >very careful when using aileron during your stall > >tests. You don't want to seperate the airflow from > a > >wingtip and initiate a soin, that would be > exciting. > >Denny ... > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > My KR, which is built and rigged to plans except for > the 24" > stretch, will not respond to raising a wing using > rudder. > However, the ailerons are effective up to and > through the > stall. If I try to "rudder" a wing up it causes the > nose to > pitch down from, I suspect, a partial blanking out > of the > horz stab / elevator. If I stay off the rudder it > will keep the > ball centered on its own. So, I just treat it like > it wants to > be treated and we get along just fine. > > As always , your results may vary.......... > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > "I can train a monkey to wave an American flag. That does not make the monkey patriotic." Scott Ritter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:21:01 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> The Stall To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have recently been doing that in my M1. On recommendation of the owner of the company that sells the plans I have been inching up in speed dives before I start on the aerobatics. The theory is that you want to test up to Vne for flutter to make sure there are no problems in a more controlled way than botching an aerobatic maneuver and figuring out while you are pointed straight down that you get flutter at a much lower speed than you should. The decision to yank out at 6G right now or more gradually while speed builds should be made with some knowledge of how fast is too fast. Supposedly in the M1 you get an aileron "buzz" before full flutter and it is easy to pull out of the dive to slow down before things start falling off. I don't know how that works in the KR so this is not something I am recommending. So far I have been to 228 MPH indicated and it is a real nail biting experience. Oh, and this is certainly something I won't do until flutter starts, just to red line to make sure that flutter is somewhere beyond that red mark. There will be plenty of pucker marks without pushing the envelope. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Orma Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:30 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> The Stall After you have made several stalls and it becomes old had, so to speak, you must take the ride. You know, the ride down, the ride where you are going down for much longer then the time to recover. Point the nose down and ride it at say 180 and tell me which is more fun, the ride or a roller coaster. Orma _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 266 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================