From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 321 Date: 8/23/2005 9:52:20 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Gathering (patrick36@usfamily.net) 2. Re: Engine CHT temps (Joe Beyer) 3. RE: Amount of paint (Joe Beyer) 4. RE: Garmin GPS196 for dummies (Steve Jacobs) 5. Re: Re: Engine CHT temps (Orma) 6. Re: Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. (Peter Drake) 7. Re: Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. (Dan Heath) 8. Re: Re: Engine CHT temps (Dan Heath) 9. Re: Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. (Mark Jones) 10. Re: This mornings flight (Martindale Family) 11. hapi hall effect ign module - (phil brookman) 12. Re: This mornings flight (Mark Jones) 13. Re: This mornings flight (Mark Langford) 14. RE: This mornings flight (Mark Jones) 15. Re: hapi hall effect ign module - (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 16. Re: This mornings flight (Mark Langford) 17. Fw: MT. VERNON 2005 (raybeth123@sbcglobal.net) 18. Ride Available from Saint Louis Airport to Mt Vernon & Back (JSMONDAY@aol.com) 19. Re: Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. (Ron Eason) 20. RE: Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. (Mark Jones) 21. Peel Ply (Jeff Scott) 22. RE: Ride Available from Saint Louis Airport to Mt Vernon & Back (Jack Cooper) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:39:05 -0500 From: Subject: KR> Gathering To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <000801c5a79c$988ad7e0$0500a8c0@domain.actdsltmp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I guess that I am going to miss this years gathering. I hoped that Joanne would get out of the Hospital this weekend but she is still in. They are going to do another test tomorrow to see if they can remove the three tubes in her. If they can take them out, she might be able to come home Wed. or Thurs, but she will have to have a nurse come to the house every day to give her the antibiotics she needs until this clears up. I guess I can still cancel my room at the Americas Best Motel so if someone wants it I will give them your name when I cancel. I think the room was $48 per night. Thank you all for your concern for my wife's health. I'll see you all at next years gathering, if not before. Patrick Driscoll Saint Paul, MN patrick36@usfamily.net --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:44:34 -0700 From: "Joe Beyer" Subject: KR> Re: Engine CHT temps To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" patrusso wrote: >Interesting. I have taken every flight report I could find, from 1980 >to present and where reported, CHT is averaging about 350 deg. They do >not mention the kind of sensor used or it's location which I am sure >will have some effect. I have an engine manual published in the '70s by BAC By Bill Broadley on VW engine conversion. Some of the ideas in there are pretty good. It has a section on operating specs. This is for a 1500cc engine with a vertex mag and one of those Eoropean VW side draft carburetors. The CHT is 300 deg. F normal, 450 deg. max. 500 deg. F redline. The thermocouple is taken at #3 cylinder under the spark plug. I have had mine at this location and have found it to be a problem with maintenance. I've located it under the #3 upper cylinder stud, between the nut and the washer and it reads a little cool at that location, so I've decided to locate it at the lower #3 exhaust flange nut where it gets good and hot. I'm going to have to make some parts up to fit it all together. The BAC manual recomends that the oil temp. to be, 180 deg. F normal, 200 deg. F maxium, and 240 deg. F redline. These are about the numbers I'm getting on my 1641cc VW. Nothing on exhaust gas temp. from this manual. Oil preasure at 2500 rpm is 28 lbs. (I get 30 lbs. on my engine at this rpm.) Yellow line is 40 lbs. and red line is 50 lbs. At 350 rpm it's 7 lbs. I hope this helps. -Joe ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:05:24 -0700 From: "Joe Beyer" Subject: KR> RE: Amount of paint To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jim Morehead wrote: >Netters, >Can a KR2 be painted with one gallon of paint or should I order two >gallons? I ordered one gallon of white and one quart of yellow. I had one quart of white left over and about 1/2 pint of yellow left. Plenty for toutch up. -Joe ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:13:10 -0700 From: "Steve Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> Garmin GPS196 for dummies To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c5a7f5$2dce0630$2764a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" However... nowhere in the manual can I find how to go about downloading the update and installing it to the GPS. +++++++++++++++ I always get first class help from his guy at Garmin: Berrange, Trevor [mailto:Trevor.Berrange@garmin.com] Take care Steve J ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 03:42:17 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Re: Engine CHT temps To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <013b01c5a7b6$311392e0$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Steve Bennett told me that the reading under the plug is always hotter then the other location you might pick. A manual that lists the temp and specifies a location for the probe may only be accurate at that specific location, and if you move the sender to a different place, the same temperature range may not apply. I would think that under the exhaust stud will give you information that you will have know way of knowing the value of. Consider that the EGT probe which is installed as close to the head as possible will read gas temps as high as 1600 deg. I have 4 cylinder CHT on my KR with type 4 engine, and one of the probes is located as close to the factory CHT hole as I could get it. I use the numbers in my KR manual. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:00:51 +0100 From: "Peter Drake" Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. To: "Ron Eason" , "KRnet" Message-ID: <004001c5a7b8$c83bf200$0201a8c0@PETER> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I have seen "peel-ply" mentioned several times. What is it? Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Eason" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:51 PM Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. > Their is some variations to the following procedure but basically it's > standard. I have added the following steps in my practice. > 2a. I allow the slurry to cure. > 2b. Sand and fill voids, sand and smooth out surfaces to near final > finish. > 4a.Add peal-ply cloth over the fiberglass. > If you want to have a superior finish these my help. > You will eventually find what is best for your taste after a few tries. > KRRon > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 04:48:02 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. To: Message-ID: <430AE2C2.000001.02684@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" RELEASE FABRIC BLB1 Ply B peel ply coated with a release agent that releases all aircraft resins up to 400 degrees F. Use with R300 sensitive tape as all coated peel plies have the potential to transfer. 60" wide, 2 oz. nylon peel ply is .004 - 005 thickness. Grab tensile: warp - 110 LBS. filling - 140 LBS. minimum. >From Wicks on line catalog. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- I have seen "peel-ply" mentioned several times. What is it? ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 04:52:15 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Re: Engine CHT temps To: Message-ID: <430AE3BF.000003.02684@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Some VW heads have a place for bolting on the CHT probe. On ours, it is on top of the aft pilot side cylinder. I have always used under the plug until I discovered this. I figure if that is where VW intended for the temp to be probed, then I will probe it there and see what I get. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- Steve Bennett told me that the reading under the plug is always hotter then the other location you might pick. ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:01:56 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002e01c5a7d2$145ae880$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Simply put.... Peel Ply is a Dacron type of cloth which has been treated with a release agent which prevents it from permanently adhering to epoxy. Immediately after you have done a fiberglass lay up and the epoxy is still very wet, lay a sheet of Peel Ply over the fiberglass and allow it to soak up excess resin. Use a squeegee to completely wet out the Peel Ply. Only add more epoxy if the Peel Ply does not completely wet out. Allow this to dry (cure) overnight or until it is not sticky to the touch. Once cured, grab the edge of the peel ply and pull it off the fiberglass lay up. The result is an almost perfectly smooth finish which will require minimal sanding. Here is a link which shows Peel Ply in use: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/turtle.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 3:48 AM Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. > RELEASE FABRIC BLB1 > > Ply B peel ply coated with a release agent that releases all aircraft resins > up to 400 degrees F. Use with R300 sensitive tape as all coated peel plies > have the potential to transfer. 60" wide, 2 oz. nylon peel ply is .004 - > 005 thickness. Grab tensile: warp - 110 LBS. filling - 140 LBS. minimum. > > >From Wicks on line catalog. > > > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building > has expired. > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > -------Original Message------- > > I have seen "peel-ply" mentioned several times. What is it? > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:03:01 +1000 From: "Martindale Family" Subject: Re: KR> This mornings flight To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <009301c5a7d2$3a8fcac0$9ea2ecdc@martindale> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Mark Our two aircraft appear to be virtually identical in weight and have very similiar flight characteristics (thanks Orma for the spreadsheet). My fuel usage is around 22 litres/hour at 3200rpm which also matches you. You're a bloody copy cat :-) Have you flown two up yet? John The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit Toormina NSW 2452 Australia ph: 61 2 66 584767 email: johnjanet@optusnet.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:28 PM Subject: RE: KR> This mornings flight > I am burning just shy of 6 GPH measured with a measuring stick prior to > flight and upon return. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI > Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces+flykr2s=wi.rr.com@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces+flykr2s=wi.rr.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of > Martindale Family > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 10:36 PM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> This mornings flight > > > Goin' good Mark. Guess that means you're happy with the bigger Ellison. > Any > idea of fuel consumption? > > John > > The Martindale Family > 29 Jane Circuit > Toormina NSW 2452 > Australia > > ph: 61 2 66 584767 > email: johnjanet@optusnet.com.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: "KR Net" ; "Corvaircraft" > > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:03 AM > Subject: KR> This mornings flight > > > > This morning I headed out ................. > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:08:51 +0100 From: "phil brookman" Subject: KR> hapi hall effect ign module - To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <012b01c5a7d3$0b767da0$73a51352@philljl2re6t9i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hi does anyone know where i can get one of these ign modules from or what are they out of mine has just fried -and does anyone know y this would occur , there are 2 in my hapi engine and the other one seems fine these modules are the ones in an aluminium round case at the front of the engine thanks all p -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/75 - Release Date: 17/08/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:23:20 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> This mornings flight To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003601c5a7d5$112f1ca0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Negative on the passenger....Langford was going to be my first but he discovered my bad compression on two cylinders a few weeks ago and chickened out......... Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martindale Family" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:03 AM Subject: Re: KR> This mornings flight > Thanks Mark > > Our two aircraft appear to be virtually identical in weight and have very > similiar flight characteristics (thanks Orma for the spreadsheet). My fuel > usage is around 22 litres/hour at 3200rpm which also matches you. You're a > bloody copy cat :-) > > Have you flown two up yet? > > John > > The Martindale Family > 29 Jane Circuit > Toormina NSW 2452 > Australia > > ph: 61 2 66 584767 > email: johnjanet@optusnet.com.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:28 PM > Subject: RE: KR> This mornings flight > > > > I am burning just shy of 6 GPH measured with a measuring stick prior to > > flight and upon return. > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI > > Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > > Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: krnet-bounces+flykr2s=wi.rr.com@mylist.net > > [mailto:krnet-bounces+flykr2s=wi.rr.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of > > Martindale Family > > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 10:36 PM > > To: KRnet > > Subject: Re: KR> This mornings flight > > > > > > Goin' good Mark. Guess that means you're happy with the bigger Ellison. > > Any > > idea of fuel consumption? > > > > John > > > > The Martindale Family > > 29 Jane Circuit > > Toormina NSW 2452 > > Australia > > > > ph: 61 2 66 584767 > > email: johnjanet@optusnet.com.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Jones" > > To: "KR Net" ; "Corvaircraft" > > > > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:03 AM > > Subject: KR> This mornings flight > > > > > > > This morning I headed out ................. > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:25:33 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> This mornings flight To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006a01c5a7dd$c2878700$5e0ca58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Mark Jones wrote: > Negative on the passenger....Langford was going to be my first but he > discovered my bad compression on two cylinders a few weeks ago and > chickened > out......... I'm no dummy! But I HAVE flown a passenger! My third flight as a KR PIC was in Bill Clapp's plane, which is aerodynamically almost identical to mine. And since then, I've put several hours on mine with a passenger about Bill's size. I really didn't notice much difference, except it took the tail a little longer to come up, and the climb rate was less, but not less enough to really notice. But then my CG is way forward of the range, and it should be noted that my plane is a far cry from a typical KR2. My CG moves forward as I fly due to the fuel burn, so when I land it's further forward than when I took off. Flying with a passenger in MY plane is simply a non-event! Now that I'm a somewhat experienced KR pilot, I'm going to move the horizontal stab to move the CG closer to the mid point and see how that does. Speed should increase due to the decrease in trim drag. I'll let y'all know how it affects stability. I love it when a plan comes together! A machinist in our company shop turned my 10mm prop hub bolts down to the non-existent GM 11/32-24 thread and I installed them last night. They fit perfectly, an excellent Class 3 fit! This is only temporary to get me to the Gathering and back. After that I'll make a new cowling and plenums, and go to a prop hub that is 1.25" shorter like most Corvair guys are using, to eliminate the last of the "risk factors" on my engine. I plan to run it in the next day or so, haul it to the airport Friday or Saturday, and be flying it again before the weekend is over... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:41:08 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: KR> This mornings flight To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F357C43F5@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Langford I plan to run it in the next day or so, haul it to the airport Friday or Saturday, and be flying it again before the weekend is over... Excellent news Mark. That engine should break in just fine during your round trip flight to the Gathering which is only 15 days away. For some reason, I am getting really excited about this years Gathering. Maybe it is because you and I actually will be flying there to see all of our friends. This could be another record breaking Gathering......... BTW, you are not really chicken, just smart, you have used two of your nine lives....that first solo 5G landing and your crank break. I don't blame you for chancing a four cylinder Corvair KR. See ya in two weeks. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:40:20 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> hapi hall effect ign module - To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050823.084055.3416.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii C(OMPUFIRE ?? Virg On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:08:51 +0100 "phil brookman" writes: > hi does anyone know where i can get one of these ign modules from or > what are they out of > mine has just fried -and does anyone know y this would occur , > there are 2 in my hapi engine and the other one seems fine > these modules are the ones in an aluminium round case at the front > of the engine > thanks all > p Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:53:27 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> This mornings flight To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007501c5a7e1$a7fe7ac0$5e0ca58c@net.tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Jones wrote: > you are not really chicken, just smart, you have used two of your nine > lives....that first solo 5G landing and your crank break. I'm really up to about number seven already, but those are stories for around the keg. Remind me to tell you about rolling the car four times (I wasn't driving) and the motorcycle wreck... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:42:09 -0500 From: Subject: KR> Fw: MT. VERNON 2005 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002501c5a7e8$759e7f60$19439445@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Joe Davis, I have twice replied to your E-mail to me. I am wondering if you redeived them. Ray Goree raybeth123@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Davis" To: Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:25 PM Subject: MT. VERNON 2005 > RAY, I AM GOING TO DRIVE TO THE GATHERING. LEAVE THURSDAY MORNING AND > RETURN SUNDAY NIGHT. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED GET IN TOUCH > JOE DAVIS KAUFMAN, TEXAS ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:46:19 EDT From: JSMONDAY@aol.com Subject: KR> Ride Available from Saint Louis Airport to Mt Vernon & Back To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1f8.106e6eb4.303c82ab@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" If anyone wants a ride... I will be arriving in Saint Louis Airport Thursday early evening and driving to Mt Vernon. Also returning Sunday Morning. Let me know! Thanks, John Monday KR2S Laguna Beach, CA ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:14:13 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005001c5a7fd$b3e41180$6601a8c0@CADENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Polyester garment coat lining will do the same thing for about 1/2 or less cost of peel ply from Aircraft Spruce and others. Get it from a fabric shop. KRRon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:01 AM Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. > Simply put.... Peel Ply is a Dacron type of cloth which has been treated > with a release agent which prevents it from permanently adhering to epoxy. > Immediately after you have done a fiberglass lay up and the epoxy is still > very wet, lay a sheet of Peel Ply over the fiberglass and allow it to soak > up excess resin. Use a squeegee to completely wet out the Peel Ply. Only > add > more epoxy if the Peel Ply does not completely wet out. Allow this to dry > (cure) overnight or until it is not sticky to the touch. Once cured, grab > the edge of the peel ply and pull it off the fiberglass lay up. The result > is an almost perfectly smooth finish which will require minimal sanding. > Here is a link which shows Peel Ply in use: > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/turtle.html > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Heath" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 3:48 AM > Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. > > >> RELEASE FABRIC BLB1 >> >> Ply B peel ply coated with a release agent that releases all aircraft > resins >> up to 400 degrees F. Use with R300 sensitive tape as all coated peel >> plies >> have the potential to transfer. 60" wide, 2 oz. nylon peel ply is .004 - >> 005 thickness. Grab tensile: warp - 110 LBS. filling - 140 LBS. minimum. >> >> >From Wicks on line catalog. >> >> >> >> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering >> >> See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics >> >> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for > building >> has expired. >> >> Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC >> >> -------Original Message------- >> >> I have seen "peel-ply" mentioned several times. What is it? >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:42:25 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. To: "Ron Eason" , "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F357C43FA@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes, it will BUT it is not coated with a release agent and you MUST remove it prior to complete cure of the epoxy. At least that is what I have been told. Please correct me if you have experienced different as we need to tell the full story to these guys so they will not waste time and money. Thanks Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Ron Eason Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:14 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. Polyester garment coat lining will do the same thing for about 1/2 or less cost of peel ply from Aircraft Spruce and others. Get it from a fabric shop. KRRon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:01 AM Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. > Simply put.... Peel Ply is a Dacron type of cloth which has been treated > with a release agent which prevents it from permanently adhering to epoxy. > Immediately after you have done a fiberglass lay up and the epoxy is still > very wet, lay a sheet of Peel Ply over the fiberglass and allow it to soak > up excess resin. Use a squeegee to completely wet out the Peel Ply. Only > add > more epoxy if the Peel Ply does not completely wet out. Allow this to dry > (cure) overnight or until it is not sticky to the touch. Once cured, grab > the edge of the peel ply and pull it off the fiberglass lay up. The result > is an almost perfectly smooth finish which will require minimal sanding. > Here is a link which shows Peel Ply in use: > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/turtle.html > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Heath" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 3:48 AM > Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. > > >> RELEASE FABRIC BLB1 >> >> Ply B peel ply coated with a release agent that releases all aircraft > resins >> up to 400 degrees F. Use with R300 sensitive tape as all coated peel >> plies >> have the potential to transfer. 60" wide, 2 oz. nylon peel ply is .004 - >> 005 thickness. Grab tensile: warp - 110 LBS. filling - 140 LBS. minimum. >> >> >From Wicks on line catalog. >> >> >> >> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering >> >> See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics >> >> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for > building >> has expired. >> >> Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC >> >> -------Original Message------- >> >> I have seen "peel-ply" mentioned several times. What is it? >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:46:30 GMT From: "Jeff Scott" Subject: KR> Peel Ply To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050823.094712.24684.108389@webmail29.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain Almost any fine weave synthetic cloth will work just as well as peel ply. I've been using 6" dacron tape and left over ceconite 102 cloth from a previous recover project. It won't pull easily if the resin is a little green, but once it's cured, it pulls just the same as the advertised peel ply.... because it is the same. There is no magic release coating on peel ply. If you look up the uncertified dacron fabric for covering and peel ply in the Aircraft Spruce catalog, you will see that they are the same part number with the same price. I've been laying up quite a bit of carbon fiber lately. Once it's started to set, I'll put it out in the sun for a couple of hours to cure. Once it's in the shade and cooled off again, the dacron fabric peels off very nicely. -Jeff Scott N1213W -- "Ron Eason" wrote: Polyester garment coat lining will do the same thing for about 1/2 or less cost of peel ply from Aircraft Spruce and others. Get it from a fabric shop. KRRon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:01 AM Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. > Simply put.... Peel Ply is a Dacron type of cloth which has been treated > with a release agent which prevents it from permanently adhering to epoxy. > Immediately after you have done a fiberglass lay up and the epoxy is still > very wet, lay a sheet of Peel Ply over the fiberglass and allow it to soak > up excess resin. Use a squeegee to completely wet out the Peel Ply. Only > add > more epoxy if the Peel Ply does not completely wet out. Allow this to dry > (cure) overnight or until it is not sticky to the touch. Once cured, grab > the edge of the peel ply and pull it off the fiberglass lay up. The result > is an almost perfectly smooth finish which will require minimal sanding. > Here is a link which shows Peel Ply in use: > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/turtle.html > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Heath" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 3:48 AM > Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. > > >> RELEASE FABRIC BLB1 >> >> Ply B peel ply coated with a release agent that releases all aircraft > resins >> up to 400 degrees F. Use with R300 sensitive tape as all coated peel >> plies >> have the potential to transfer. 60" wide, 2 oz. nylon peel ply is .004 - >> 005 thickness. Grab tensile: warp - 110 LBS. filling - 140 LBS. minimum. >> >> >From Wicks on line catalog. >> >> >> >> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering >> >> See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics >> >> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for > building >> has expired. >> >> Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC >> >> -------Original Message------- >> >> I have seen "peel-ply" mentioned several times. What is it? >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:51:03 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: RE: KR> Ride Available from Saint Louis Airport to Mt Vernon & Back To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-22005822316513531@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I also will be arriving at St. Louis at 1:00 PM and will be driving to Mt Vernon. Anyone arriving about the same time is welcome to ride. Jack Cooper > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 8/23/2005 9:47:21 AM > Subject: KR> Ride Available from Saint Louis Airport to Mt Vernon & Back > > If anyone wants a ride... I will be arriving in Saint Louis Airport Thursday > early evening and driving to Mt Vernon. Also returning Sunday Morning. > Let me know! > > Thanks, > John Monday > KR2S Laguna Beach, CA > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 321 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================