From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 325 Date: 8/25/2005 9:00:26 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: 56ML Incidence - Shifting Weight for CG Purposes (Allen Wiesner ) 2. Re: Re: KR> new KR owner (daddo2@verizon.net) 3. Re: 56ML Incidence - Shifting Weight for CG Purposes (Aeroeng39@aol.com) 4. RE: 56ML Incidence - If you really must (Steve Jacobs) 5. KR Gathering - the greatest fly in for KRs you will find. (Dan Heath) 6. Re: Mt Vernon Holiday Inn (Dan Heath) 7. Re: Mt Vernon Holiday Inn (Mark Jones) 8. Re: Main gear jack info (patrusso) 9. Re: RE: KR> Stang? (Steven Phillabaum) 10. The New Guy (Alex Skinner) 11. Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 324 (j stevens) 12. Re: Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. (Mike Turner) 13. Re: Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. (Bernard McLean Sr) 14. RE: 56ML Incidence - If you really must (Brian Kraut) 15. KR information (Orma) 16. Assembly tip (Colin & Bev Rainey) 17. Re: KR information (Barry Kruyssen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:06:26 -0400 From: "Allen Wiesner " Subject: Re: KR> 56ML Incidence - Shifting Weight for CG Purposes To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003e01c5a92a$5da1c2d0$4b11da42@CPQ69645694259> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I'm suffering from CRS and can't be sure if it was the Cozy, but one of the canard types had a couple of instances of a ?flat? stall that was unrecoverable and to research the problem they had a chunk of weight on a worm gear run by a motor to create a in-flight variable CG. I think it was written up in Sport Aviation. Allen G. Wiesner KR-2SS/TD S/N 1118 65 Franklin Street Ansonia, CT 06401-1240 (203) 732-0508 flashyal@usadatanet.net ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:26:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: KR> new KR owner To: KRnet Message-ID: <15334805.1124943960628.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I talked to the RM factory and they tell me my engine came with a inferior fabricated crank. They saw cracks and failures at 150 TT. I'm pulling the engine and taking it to them for a total rebuild and new $700 crank.You're right,cheap insurance. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 01:16:19 EDT From: Aeroeng39@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> 56ML Incidence - Shifting Weight for CG Purposes To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <219.7adfe1c.303eae23@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" The experiment with a flat stall was experienced by a Velocity aircraft. The aircraft had an aft cg and went into a stall. The plane fell tail first and all survived. But because of the aft cg, it could not recover. The engine maintained thrust and allowed a survivable crash. To rectify the problem experimentation was done with a weight on a screw that allowed the cg to be adjusted aft during flight. Velocity fixed the aft cg problem and thus far I am not aware of this ever happening again. I think it was sport aviation. They showed pictures with the aircraft mounted on top of a truck to simulate flight. Peter O. Sanchez, Jr. KR2S in Apache Junction AZ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:24:34 -0700 From: "Steve Jacobs" Subject: RE: KR> 56ML Incidence - If you really must To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c5a991$7bd4c1a0$d664a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have pondered the idea of having a couple pound weight on some type of pulley in the tail cone that could be moved forward or aft while in flight. ++++++++++++++++++ There is probably a great deal to learn from this, but rather consider using water pumped around between two tanks. Five liters would be 11 lbs (10L would be 22 lbs) that could be moved from the header tank position (or under the seats) to somewhere far aft - maybe mounted to the tail wheel hard points. A crude dump valve on the rear tank may be a good idea - just in case. If the fwd facing wall of the aft tank is designed accordingly, the tank would contain say 4G's of flight load, but rupture (in the unlikely event of a prang) and allow any water content to escape, leaving the tank to stay put and the water alone coming for you. Tell the FAA inspector that you have an automatic fire sprinkler system installed. Some airliners use fuel in this manner, but probably not a good idea in this case Steve Jacobs ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 05:08:06 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> KR Gathering - the greatest fly in for KRs you will find. To: Message-ID: <430D8A76.000005.03952@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mount Vernon, Illinois. Bee there or bee square. Check out http://www krgathering.org for all the details. Call the hotels today for a room. If you can't get in at the Holiday Inn, try the Days Inn, I think it is right next door. Or bring your camping gear and bug spray. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- From: wilder_jeff Wilder I know this has been talked about many times.... but can you tell me ... when its going on.. and what city and state? ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 05:09:16 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Mt Vernon Holiday Inn To: Message-ID: <430D8ABC.000007.03952@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark J. how close are you to getting your hours? Or, are you already there? See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 05:47:47 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Mt Vernon Holiday Inn To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001a01c5a962$6ed26ae0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I had my hours flown off prior to my rebuild. Since the rebuild, I have 8.1 hours on the engine. I am good to go. See you two weeks from today. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 4:09 AM Subject: Re: KR> Mt Vernon Holiday Inn > Mark J. how close are you to getting your hours? Or, are you already there? > > > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building > has expired. > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 07:01:08 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> Main gear jack info To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002e01c5a964$d025f760$6aa772d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I use a small piece of hardwood, cut to fit at the main spar wing attach fitting so that it does not slide to or fro and it has a small indentation to receive the end of my pump jack. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol & Weldon Jennings" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: KR> Main gear jack info >I have a tailwheel configuration with the "Grove" main gear legs and no >wheel covers. The brake line follows the rear edge of leg and is >glassed in. Does anyone have any recommendations for jacking plane >enough to remove a main wheel? Is there a clamp-type tool usable >around the brake line? I > don't want to muscle it up on a foam pillow. Thanks! > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 7:49:23 -0400 From: Steven Phillabaum Subject: Re: RE: KR> Stang? To: KRnet Message-ID: <48vksc$1ca50e3@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > From: "Brian Kraut" I have actually been > trying to fly up to see your KR but something gets in the way every > weekend. > > WEATHER. I got to fly in a Stang last weekend. Responsive and fast I think it will be a great trainer for the KR. Its a dragger so that will help with tail time. My KR will be wider and I still fit in the Stang. Steven Phillabaum KR2S; 5048; corvair; Auburn, Alabama ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:43:18 -0500 From: "Alex Skinner" Subject: KR> The New Guy To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00a901c5a97a$f68fca50$e305a8c0@jeeb> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Everyone, Just like to take a sec to introduce myself, my name is Alex Skinner living in Madisonville, KY. I've recently got back into flying/training (no really, stop me if you've heard this one before) at the ripe young age of 32, after a 13 year lapse. I'll be coming to join you guys at Mount Vernon and can't wait to get a look at some KR's in person. I'm beginning the most daunting task in the whole process this weekend ..... cleaning out the shop! Cya soon. A very excited, Alex ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:38:05 -0500 From: j stevens Subject: KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 324 To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <430E01FD.2030603@usfamily.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed I have a VW conversion engine in storage .Could you tell me what besides overfilling it with oil constitutes proper inhibiting. Thanks Joel krnet-request@mylist.net wrote: > Springs,Ca]....Fred > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 14 >Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:53:21 +1000 >From: "Barry Kruyssen" >Subject: Re: KR> new KR owner >To: "KRnet" >Message-ID: <0d8501c5a928$8aed4a40$5600a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >My personal opinion is to pull the motor down and check it, cheap >insurance. > >My reason: I bought a KR2 with less than 10 hours on it. Due to poor >storage (not inhibited correctly) the crank got rust on it, when >started the rust went through the bearings and seals stuffing them, the >barrels and pistons. Cost me a new engine. (and I paid new price for >the stuffed engine, we live and we learn :-) Luckily I never got off >the ground with it. > >regards >Barry Kruyssen >Cairns, Australia >RAA 19-3873 > >kr2@BigPond.com >http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: daddo2@verizon.net > To: krnet@mylist.net > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:44 PM > Subject: KR> new KR owner > > > I just bought a KR2 that was built in 1980? and has flown less > than 250 hrs.It has the original Revmaster 2100D with [you guessed it] > less than 250 hrs TT. I'm not worried about the engine too much since > I live close to the RM factory in Hesperia, Ca. What I'd like to know > is if there are any KR owner/builders in my area [Palm > Springs,Ca]....Fred > > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > >End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 324 >*************************************** > > > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 8/4/2005 --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:46:38 -0500 From: "Mike Turner" Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Morrissey To: KRnet Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:40 PM Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. Dubi, see # 8 Mike Turner Jackson, Missouri > Hello Krnet members! > > I would like to understanding the glassing procedure on foam. > > Follow the procedure as I understanding. > > 1. Sending the foam. > 2. Cover/squeegee over the foam with slurry (Micro + epoxy) > 3. Cover the wet slurry with glass cloth. > 4. Cover over the glass cloth with pure epoxy and squeegee off any > excess epoxy. > 5. Wait two day, when all the slurry/epoxy is dry. > 6. Sending the surface area. > 7. Use macro slurry to fill in unsmooth area. > *8 keep the micro off the wood spars this requires pure epoxy > > Waiting to confirmation or correction. > > Regards > Dubi Gefen. > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:00:21 -0500 From: Bernard McLean Sr Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam. To: KRnet Message-ID: <430E5B95.8030504@northboone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Insert this between 4. and 5. Apply Peel Ply to the epoxied glass cloth and roll out to ensure there are no voids. When dry (after step 5) remove Peel Ply and minimal sanding will be required. Bernie McLean Poplar Grove IL > Hello Krnet members! > > I would like to understanding the glassing procedure on foam. > > Follow the procedure as I understanding. > > 1. Sending the foam. > 2. Cover/squeegee over the foam with slurry (Micro + epoxy) > 3. Cover the wet slurry with glass cloth. > 4. Cover over the glass cloth with pure epoxy and squeegee off any > excess epoxy. > 5. Wait two day, when all the slurry/epoxy is dry. > 6. Sending the surface area. > 7. Use macro slurry to fill in unsmooth area. > *8 keep the micro off the wood spars this requires pure epoxy ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:50:25 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> 56ML Incidence - If you really must To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" You are correct. The idea of two securely mounted tanks sound better than a weight suspended on some kind of clothes line setup in the tail cone. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Steve Jacobs Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:25 PM To: 'KRnet' Subject: RE: KR> 56ML Incidence - If you really must I have pondered the idea of having a couple pound weight on some type of pulley in the tail cone that could be moved forward or aft while in flight. ++++++++++++++++++ There is probably a great deal to learn from this, but rather consider using water pumped around between two tanks. Five liters would be 11 lbs (10L would be 22 lbs) that could be moved from the header tank position (or under the seats) to somewhere far aft - maybe mounted to the tail wheel hard points. A crude dump valve on the rear tank may be a good idea - just in case. If the fwd facing wall of the aft tank is designed accordingly, the tank would contain say 4G's of flight load, but rupture (in the unlikely event of a prang) and allow any water content to escape, leaving the tank to stay put and the water alone coming for you. Tell the FAA inspector that you have an automatic fire sprinkler system installed. Some airliners use fuel in this manner, but probably not a good idea in this case Steve Jacobs _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:09:03 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: KR> KR information To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <026101c5a9e3$234a0110$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello KR net members 13 KR's are listed on the Info spreadsheet 12 of them have fixed landing gear 11 are more then 600 lbs 10 are tail draggers 9 have stall speeds between 50 and 56 8 are KR-2's 7 have cruise rpm's 3200 and above 6 have Sterba props 5 are non US registered 4 have Continental engines 3 have Corvair engines 2 have Ellison carbs 1 has a Jabiru engine 0 is what you will be if you don't go the greatest gathering of KR's ever held http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/krinfo.htm See you at the KR gathering Tweety went to the runway and back today Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:29:47 -0400 From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" Subject: KR> Assembly tip To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00d301c5a9e6$072ae0f0$3a412141@RaineyDay> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For those of you building a Corvair engine and are not fortunate enough to have an extra block lying around, I discovered a handy helper for installing the pistons into the cylinders. By installing the ring compression tool first, then inserting the piston/rod assembly carefully into the cylinder while holding it straight up and down, seating the skirt in the cylinder up to the beginning of the ring compression tool, your rod will come out the bottom to the point where you can see the rod beam above the rod big end. Place the whole assembly on top of a Duke's mayonnaise (or brand of your choice with same size top opening). The plastic top will insert inside the cylinder, but allow the rod to go inside of the jar, preventing it from scratching the walls. The wide bottom of the jar acts to stabilize the whole assembly while tapping the piston into the cylinder. Once the piston is seated into the cylinder just below the deck end, you can lift the whole assembly clear and be ready to install into the block. Best part is the jar is free, since I am already using the mayonnaise anyway, and saving the jars for shop organizers! Happy building... Colin KSFB N96TA ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:57:55 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> KR information To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <0ef601c5a9e9$f6aaa5e0$5600a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" And these statistics are graciously hosted by one talented person, Orma. Thanks Orma The rest of you, How about getting some more stats there! Regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Orma To: KRnet Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 12:09 PM Subject: KR> KR information Hello KR net members 13 KR's are listed on the Info spreadsheet 12 of them have fixed landing gear 11 are more then 600 lbs 10 are tail draggers 9 have stall speeds between 50 and 56 8 are KR-2's 7 have cruise rpm's 3200 and above 6 have Sterba props 5 are non US registered 4 have Continental engines 3 have Corvair engines 2 have Ellison carbs 1 has a Jabiru engine 0 is what you will be if you don't go the greatest gathering of KR's ever held http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/krinfo.htm See you at the KR gathering Tweety went to the runway and back today ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 325 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================