From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 336 Date: 8/31/2005 9:00:21 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Found a prop. Not KR (Steven Phillabaum) 2. removing Cleveland bearings? (Mark Langford) 3. Re: removing Cleveland bearings? (Mark Langford) 4. RE: KR Info (Brian Kraut) 5. Re: removing Cleveland bearings? (Bob Glidden) 6. Re: KR Info (Mark Jones) 7. Re: removing Cleveland bearings? (Orma) 8. Re: KR Info (Orma) 9. Re: removing Cleveland bearings? (Mark Langford) 10. Re: removing Cleveland bearings? (Mark Jones) 11. RE: removing Cleveland bearings? (Brian Kraut) 12. Re: removing Cleveland bearings? (Bob Glidden) 13. RE: removing Cleveland bearings? (Brian Kraut) 14. Safe KR Gathering (Jim Faughn) 15. Re: removing Cleveland bearings? (Bob Glidden) 16. Anyone that could come by 27K on way to gathering (jeffyork40@qx.net) 17. Re: removing Cleveland bearings? (Mark Langford) 18. Re: Anyone that could come by 27K on way to gathering (Bob Glidden) 19. Re: removing Cleveland bearings? (Bob Glidden) 20. Re: removing Cleveland bearings? (Orma) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:18:33 -0400 From: Steven Phillabaum Subject: KR> Found a prop. Not KR To: Message-ID: <48vhmp$17vsspe@mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Maybe someone can tell me what this goes on. I found a prop at a flea market yesterday. Its about 5' wood; Looks adjustable; (has no hub) The blades are Hershey bar in plan view and have a cord of close to 6". Made by Sensenich; and has markings written with a sharpe that shows degrees like 35, 40, 45. Doesn't look used. I thought it might make a good decoration. What do you think? Some kind of rotor or prop? What does it go on? I was going to send an Email to sesenich but thought I could get a fast answer here. God Bless those to the South of me. Steven Phillabaum KR2S; 5048; corvair; Auburn, Alabama ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:21:40 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR> removing Cleveland bearings? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008101c5ae93$839765d0$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'd do the research on this in a minute, but I'm in a big hurry since I want to haul the plane to the airport tomorrow. Do I have to disassemble the wheels to get the bearings out of a Cleveland 5x5.00 wheel? If not, how? My A&P buddy warned me that the bearings really weren't shipped ready to run, and I should clean and repack them. I've got the wheel off and am looking at them, and there's not a lot of grease there, so I need to get them out so I can clean them out and repack. Thanks, Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:25:59 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> removing Cleveland bearings? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008a01c5ae94$1c2de5d0$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Found my answer....YES, you have to split the wheel halves. It didn't take long to find http://www.rvproject.com/20030206.html . Fortunately, I have a new pair of tires so I'll kill two birds with one stone... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:33:49 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> KR Info To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Can my red headed step child play too? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of larry flesner Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 8:06 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> KR Info >The fastest KR is 170 >Orma +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ It would be interesting if the KR's at the Gathering could have a bit of a "fly-off". I'd like to know if my 170mph is really faster than Mark L.'s 165mph and if Mark Jone's 1100fpm climb is really greater than my 800-900 fpm climb. This would not be a "my KR is better than yours" event but something to take a bit of the speculation of system errors, etc. from the mix. Should be both fun and entertaining................. Larry Flesner _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:38:42 -0500 From: "Bob Glidden" Subject: Re: KR> removing Cleveland bearings? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003f01c5ae95$e33923a0$6401a8c0@ADMINISTRATOR> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Mark He is right they only put enough grease on them to keep them looking new.Once again you have brought a good point to the list that a lot of people do not think of.I know of atleast two people that have found out the hard way.By way of a bearing locking up on them. Bob Glidden Eminence,Indiana KR2S N181FW (building) Corvair 110 glidden@ccrtc.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:44:01 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> KR Info To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002601c5ae96$a15a3c20$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Absolutely Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 8:33 PM Subject: RE: KR> KR Info > Can my red headed step child play too? > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of larry flesner > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 8:06 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> KR Info > > > > >The fastest KR is 170 > >Orma > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > It would be interesting if the KR's at the Gathering could have a bit > of a "fly-off". I'd like to know if my 170mph is really faster than > Mark L.'s 165mph and if Mark Jone's 1100fpm climb is really greater > than my 800-900 fpm climb. This would not be a "my KR is better than > yours" event but something to take a bit of the speculation of system > errors, etc. from the mix. > > Should be both fun and entertaining................. > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:53:14 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> removing Cleveland bearings? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00f801c5ae97$ebf31bc0$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Do I have to disassemble the wheels to get the bearings out of a Cleveland 5x5.00 wheel? The answer is No you do not have to separate the wheel halves to take out the bearings. You do have to remove the wheels from the axles and first you have to remove the brakes. Orma Southfield, MI KR-2 N110LR 1984 See Tweety at http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com See other KR spces at www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/krinfo.htm ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:56:20 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> KR Info To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00fd01c5ae98$5ab63600$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Is there any chance that someone may know someone with a radar gun that can clock the speed of a passing KR? Perhaps we could invite a local LE type to partake in the fun. If my airspeed is not accurate, the speed that I tell you is not comparable to any other KR with a different airspeed system. Orma Southfield, MI KR-2 N110LR 1984 See Tweety at http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com See other KR spces at www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/krinfo.htm ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:00:32 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> removing Cleveland bearings? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <009a01c5ae98$efb7f680$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OK, I guess I answered this one myself (before I read Orma's reply). Once I had it split, there was still no way to get them out, so closer examination revealed a thin snapring on the outside. So I split them for no reason. The snapring popped right out, and the bearings fell out. Indeed, there's not much grease in there. So little that they rattle! To the airport tomorrow, and hopefully flying this weekend. The weather's supposed to be gorgeous. Ran the engine some more today, for a total of about 2.5 hours so far. It runs fine so far... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:14:59 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> removing Cleveland bearings? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004a01c5ae9a$f46ce120$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Excellent news Mark. We look forward to that flight report tomorrow. I just returned from a 1.1 hour flight and watched a beautiful sunset from 3000'. I now have 9.2 hours on the rebuild and the rings muse be fairly well seated because I am not getting any oil out of my breather tube. It sure is nice to land and have a dry plane. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:00 PM Subject: Re: KR> removing Cleveland bearings? > OK, I guess I answered this one myself (before I read Orma's reply). > Once I > had it split, there was still no way to get them out, so closer examination > revealed a thin snapring on the outside. So I split them for no > reason. The snapring popped right out, and the bearings fell out. > Indeed, there's not much grease in there. So little that they rattle! > To the airport tomorrow, and hopefully flying this weekend. The > weather's supposed to be gorgeous. Ran the engine some more today, > for a total of about 2.5 hours so > far. It runs fine so far... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:19:29 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> removing Cleveland bearings? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I removed the wheels on the Stang a few weeks ago to shim the axles. When I took the wheels off of the axles the bearings could just be taken out with your fingers. The taper is to the inside of the wheel. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Orma Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:53 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> removing Cleveland bearings? Do I have to disassemble the wheels to get the bearings out of a Cleveland 5x5.00 wheel? The answer is No you do not have to separate the wheel halves to take out the bearings. You do have to remove the wheels from the axles and first you have to remove the brakes. Orma Southfield, MI KR-2 N110LR 1984 See Tweety at http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com See other KR spces at www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/krinfo.htm _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:24:17 -0500 From: "Bob Glidden" Subject: Re: KR> removing Cleveland bearings? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007c01c5ae9c$412d82c0$6401a8c0@ADMINISTRATOR> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original On the Cleveland's I got there is no taper to the axle. Bob Glidden Eminence,Indiana KR2S N181FW (building) Corvair 110 glidden@ccrtc.com ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:27:48 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> removing Cleveland bearings? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I meant a taper on the bearings, not the axle. Mind didn't have a snap ring. Might be a different model of wheel. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Bob Glidden Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 10:24 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> removing Cleveland bearings? On the Cleveland's I got there is no taper to the axle. Bob Glidden Eminence,Indiana KR2S N181FW (building) Corvair 110 glidden@ccrtc.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:33:43 -0500 From: "Jim Faughn" Subject: KR> Safe KR Gathering To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000401c5ae9d$92bd38a0$87df5540@jfaughn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've just been on the sidelines but I have to mention that I would like to have a safe flyin. I think I've helped host 5 of them and I worry each year about what people actually do while they are flying. I've already watched a person die in his KR at Oshkosh then have to fly around his crash site while the fire trucks and emergency crews arrived using me as their reference point. Then in Covington where I was hosting a KR Gathering, I've been called when a KR crashed into a tree on final because he was low killing the pilot and injuring his wife. I really enjoy flying my plane but I really hope we just shoot the breeze, make some missed approaches at appropriate speeds and LIVE to have a good time at the Gathering. Marti is a friend of mine and I'm actually happy that we won't be having Marti buzz the field this year. Please consider that nobody has to take his place! Simple thoughts from an old KR guy that wants everyone to be SAFE! Jim Faughn N891JF - ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:32:07 -0500 From: "Bob Glidden" Subject: Re: KR> removing Cleveland bearings? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <009001c5ae9d$6118a230$6401a8c0@ADMINISTRATOR> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Brian When you showing up ?you need a tent ? Bob Glidden Eminence,Indiana KR2S N181FW (building) Corvair 110 glidden@ccrtc.com ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:39:56 -0400 From: "jeffyork40@qx.net" Subject: KR> Anyone that could come by 27K on way to gathering To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 My KR has been idle for a little while. You know, started a minor modification that turned into a long project, kids, job, you know all the reasons. Anyway, I have it back together, running, taxi testing all seems pretty good but, I would like to have a second set of KR inspecting eyes. I also seen 220 on my oil temps the other day on a short runway low flight. I think the baffeling on my oil cooler needs modified. I have had a couple of the local EAA members look at it with me, but they admit they know nothing about KR's or VW converted engines. I know it's short notice but I would really like to fly it to the gathering, never been to one. I would also like to have someone who would like to give me some dual since it has been a while since I last flew. It's a beautiful plane and it flys really nice. You can see it in the completed KR's on the KRnet or on my website at http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/ My airplane is hangered at Georgetown/ Scott county airport, (27K) and I live 20 minutes away in Lexington, KY.  859-608-7366 cell. I can also be contacted via my work email at jyork@amrms.com If someone would want to stop over, I will put them up in a motel but it would be fun to have a a KR visitor stay over at my home. Jeff York Lexington, KY. N839BG http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/ jeffyork40@qx.net jyork@amrms.com 859-608-7366 cell ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:42:08 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> removing Cleveland bearings? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00b101c5ae9e$bf270b40$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OK, one more question for you guys who actually know your way around an airplane. The main reason I wanted to look at my bearings was because after a few hours of taxi tests I noticed aluminum chips on my wheels. The culprit was the wheel covers, which were contacting the ends of the axles, and were having holes machines in them by the ends of the axles. I thought spacers might fix that (sold by Wicks) but now that I look at it, I can see that I already had the spacers in place, and any additional spacer on the backside looks like it would keep the inner brake pad from contacting the disc. See photo at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/05083114m.jpg for a better idea of what I'm talking about. The only way I can figure to "fix" this is to also space the caliper out along with a thicker (7/16") spacer. Any ideas? I got my seat back from the upholstery guy yesterday, and was stunned at how nice it looked. Check out http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/05083112m.jpg for a look. I ran the engine another half hour this afternoon, with several 3 minute full throttle runs. At that point the CHTs hit 500 degrees F, and I let it cool for about three minutes and run it up again... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:42:13 -0500 From: "Bob Glidden" Subject: Re: KR> Anyone that could come by 27K on way to gathering To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <009c01c5ae9e$c28acfb0$6401a8c0@ADMINISTRATOR> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Jeff I don't know how you can get hold of him,but Jeff Duvall lives in Bowling Green Ky and could probly give you some dual depending on his scheduale.I did have his number,I will see if I can find it and call you off line with it. Bob Glidden Eminence,Indiana KR2S N181FW (building) Corvair 110 glidden@ccrtc.com > ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:48:48 -0500 From: "Bob Glidden" Subject: Re: KR> removing Cleveland bearings? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00b001c5ae9f$ae1c71e0$6401a8c0@ADMINISTRATOR> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original The seat looks nice !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bob Glidden Eminence,Indiana KR2S N181FW (building) Corvair 110 glidden@ccrtc.com ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:54:32 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> removing Cleveland bearings? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <012e01c5aea0$7bedce70$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original "The bearings could just be taken out with your fingers." Hello Brian At this point I would suggest that some parts are missing from your wheel assemblies. I have Cleveland books at my hanger and if you can give me the exact Cleveland part numbers, I can tell you what is missing. Each of my axles has two spacers, one on the extreme inside next to the shoulder of the axle and one next to the axle nut. In-between are usually bearings, cups and grease seals. Some models are held together with snap rings, and others are not. Orma Southfield, MI KR-2 N110LR 1984 See Tweety at http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com See other KR specs at www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/krinfo.htm ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 336 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================