From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 340 Date: 9/2/2005 9:00:23 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. engine Weight (larry flesner) 2. A question about wings (Karl Pudney) 3. Re: Weight (patrusso) 4. Re: Weight (Dan Heath) 5. Re: Great group (Dan Heath) 6. Re: A question about wings (Scott William) 7. Re: Great group (phil brookman) 8. k r gathering (FIXERJONES@aol.com) 9. Re: k r gathering (Bob Glidden) 10. Re: Great group (Mark Langford) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 16:54:51 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> engine Weight To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050902165451.0086dd90@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:37 PM 9/2/05 +0200, you wrote: >Can anybody tell me about the weight of the engine mounted his KR2S? I >mean, the engine as you take it off the mount. With a Rotax 912, the >one I have on my present plane and the same I hope to mount on my >future KR2S, the test gives 87 kg (191 lbs). Cristiano. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Like Don Reid, I have an 0-200 but I have a 15 pound starter and a 5 inch prop extention. I'm guessing mine would weigh in at the 230 pound range. Your 912, at 191 pounds would compare to the VW range of engines and, if it's the 80hp version, is the minimum hp to give you decent performance. Do your best to keep it light. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 10:24:25 +1200 From: "Karl Pudney" Subject: KR> A question about wings To: "KRnet " Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, I have been looking at a number of KR web sites and have noticed that there are some different wings dimensions used and have some question. 18% of cord from 15% 52"/ 54" cord from 48" Shortening / lengthen wing span What I wish to know is what the gain is and what is the trade off? Thanks Karl Not building yet ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 18:41:22 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> Weight To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002501c5b00f$71fc3800$55a772d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original My type 4 VW, single electronic ignition, ...184lbs...with starter and acessory case. I'll bet that I am not getting more than 70 HP. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cris." To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 9:37 AM Subject: KR> Weight > Can anybody tell me about the weight of the engine mounted his KR2S? > > I mean, the engine as you take it off the mount. With a Rotax 912, the > one > I > have on my present plane and the same I hope to mount on my future KR2S, > the > test gives 87 kg (191 lbs). > > Curiosity. > > Ciao. > > Cristiano. > > -- > So long, and thanks for all the fish. > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 19:19:15 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Weight To: Message-ID: <4318DDF3.000001.01484@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Our 2180 with exhaust, 2 heat muffs, alternator ( Diehl in acc case ), starter, 3" prop hub extension, 1 mag, electronic ignition, and cowling ( heavy ), weighs 187 pounds. Advertised as max HP of 75. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- My type 4 VW, single electronic ignition, ...184lbs...with starter and acessory case. I'll bet that I am not getting more than 70 HP. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 19:24:35 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Great group To: Message-ID: <4318DF33.000003.01484@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You are right. I have experienced similar random acts of kindness. The latest was when one of our family offered to send me his Carb to use until I could find one. I was able to correct the problem, but the thought and offer meant a lot to me. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- That is what this group is all about and I just thought it was time a little praise was given to the group for all the help everyone has been to each other. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:30:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott William Subject: Re: KR> A question about wings To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050902233046.54987.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have a reply that is not intended to be disrespectful or rude. It's just my $.02. Ok? If you don't understand the ramifications of the questions you have asked, my suggestion is to follow the original plans to the letter, or do a lot of reading (not posted opinions, but educational material) of aeronautical texts to learn about such things before you make the decision to change things. The reason I say that is this: I have spent the better part of my adult life building engines (race, 2 stroke, 4 stroke, air and water cooled) and you don't know how many times I have seen people "listen" to advice, not toally understanding it, and make mods based on it only to experience total failure because they did not understand EXACTLY what they were doing. A guy will buy a manual on "How to build a Fast motor" and he'll do things to said motor, partially, not realizing that an action equals an opposite reaction. Example: More horsepower from motor = tougher drive train to deliver power = stronger frame to hold power = more weight to put stress on power delivery = inadequate suspension to handle more weight and stress = things breaking that are blamed on the wrong area = things being "fixed" that aren't broken.... it all goes on. Now, you want to modify your airplane. WHat are all the related reactions? If you don't know or won't spend the extrordinary time to learn, why risk your life with an experiment that may go wrong? Like I said...no disrespect. Just trying to make you think hard. But I prolly gave you a headache. :-) Take the great responses you get from this group and start researching concepts on your own. Educate yourself, learn the eqaul reactions...then decide. I know I will. Scott --- Karl Pudney wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I have been looking at a number of KR web sites and > have noticed that there > are some different wings dimensions used and have > some question. > > > > 18% of cord from 15% > > > > 52"/ 54" cord from 48" > > > > Shortening / lengthen wing span > > > > What I wish to know is what the gain is and what is > the trade off? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Karl > > Not building yet > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:47:46 +0100 From: "phil brookman" Subject: Re: KR> Great group To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <016901c5b018$b7ed19c0$73a51352@philljl2re6t9i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 dont tell anyone dan but that is what life is all about its a real secret you see ,lol p ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 12:24 AM Subject: Re: KR> Great group > You are right. I have experienced similar random acts of kindness. The > latest was when one of our family offered to send me his Carb to use until I > could find one. I was able to correct the problem, but the thought and offer > meant a lot to me. > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building > has expired. > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > -------Original Message------- > > That is what this group is all about and I just thought it was time a little praise was given to the group for all the help everyone has been to each other. > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/85 - Release Date: 30/08/2005 > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 24355 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/85 - Release Date: 30/08/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 21:28:09 EDT From: FIXERJONES@aol.com Subject: KR> k r gathering To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" well i'm really excited as i pack up the kr tonite for my first real trip. i'm off to the gathering in the early morn,the 3rd, to fly to dayton ohio, where i'm from, to see all my relatives for a few days. then it's a 200 mile flight to the gathering thursday, WEW, i can;t stand it. hope i can sleep tonite. thought i wasn't gonna make it when i developed a real bad shake in the airplane 2 days ago. cone to find out, i installed weel pants that day & the nose weel fork wasn't snug enough, which let the front weel assy. start fluttering, i mean real bad. it felt like a piece of prop was missing! that's fixed now & i'm off the ground at daybreak in the morn. seeeeee yaaaa allllll there god willing & the kr shines,,,, p.s. it's a turbovair ! :-) steve jones venice fl _fixerjones@aol.com_ (mailto:fixerjones@aol.com) n212kr ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 20:32:49 -0500 From: "Bob Glidden" Subject: Re: KR> k r gathering To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <025c01c5b027$655a0a60$6401a8c0@ADMINISTRATOR> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Steve Looking forward to seeing that turbovair,have a safe flight,see you in a few days.... Bob Glidden Eminence,Indiana KR2S N181FW (building) Corvair 110 glidden@ccrtc.com ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 22:26:44 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Great group To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00da01c5b037$4effbd40$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bob Glidden wrote: >> I am not trying to talk for anyone but myself on this subject.I thought it was pretty awesome the way several people responded to Mark Langford's caliper issue today.<< Yep, pretty awesome indeed, and I sure do appreciate it. I got the caliper off tonight. It was so easy I'm ashamed I didn't do it this morning, but I was on my way to work all dressed up with respectable clothes on (not my usual attire for work, but we're entertaining the customer this week), and I didn't want to go there. It took maybe two minutes to get it off tonight, and the only real damage was the first two threads on one side. The bleeder and seat were ripped right out. A quick run through with an 1/8" NPT tap restored the threads, so the bleeder and seat coming tomorrow will fix me up. Sorry Bob, but I put you through all that for no reason! I'll bring your caliper to the Gathering (and Steve Horn's prop hub, if he'll be there). The wings went on tonight, but I have a couple of hours of rigging left (my control system is lacking in the "speedy assembly" department), but that'll give me time to finish up and run the engine some more. It's really coming together again. At lunch time I get the bleeder, so maybe I can fly late in the afternoon, Sunday morning at the latest. To answer the question of "what are you going to do to get ready for the flight", and I think the answer is to pull out to the end of the runway, announce a big YEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAA, and take off! Just kiddin' on that. But Sept 1 happens to be the due date of my first annual condition inspection (oddly enough) so I suspect that totally rebuilding the engine and rerigging the whole plane, as well as going through the electrical system like I've done in the last two weeks will qualify! I feel like 95% of the airplane is thoroughly tested already, so the anxiety level should be pretty low, but I'll still be nervous, and headed straight for MDQ just in case I need a longer, wider runway. It sure is nice to have a high quality hangar to do maintenance in. Sure beats a "planeport" with no electricity or walls! Be listening about sundown for the big YEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAA.... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 340 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================