From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 352 Date: 9/9/2005 8:18:45 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. AOL Barfed today (BSHADR) 2. Re: Tweety is sick (Orma) 3. R?f. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe (Serge VIDAL) 4. Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe (Cris.) 5. R?f. : Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe (Serge VIDAL) 6. Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe (phil brookman) 7. Re: Fly in coordinates (patrusso) 8. Re: Tweety is sick (Scott William) 9. Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe (JAMES FERRIS) 10. Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe (Cris.) 11. Re: Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe (JAMES FERRIS) 12. Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe (Cris.) 13. Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe (Brant Hollensbe) 14. R?f. : Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe (Serge VIDAL) 15. Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe (phil brookman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:48:07 -0700 From: "BSHADR" Subject: KR> AOL Barfed today To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <053701c5b4f9$acb16350$6501a8c0@RMSDELL> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Folks: AOL started rejected almost all email messages from KRNet today. There are 40+ people who were automatically unsubscribed. Once again we suggest 40+ AOL folks open a Hotmail (or other free account) and use it for KRNet mail. When they discover what happened, they will be all mad at Mark, which is OK since he is gone right now anyhow. We have been fighting the AOL battle for years at his point. There is little to nothing we can do from the admin perspective to solve this issue. When you start hearing the AOL Blues, you'll know why I'm in a crappy mood. Randy "Assistant KRNetMom" Stein South Soviet Monica, CA ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 04:54:34 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Tweety is sick To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003901c5b51c$1b5e6510$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Yes, burned under the copper gasket and eventually through the copper gasket. I'm going to talk to my VW guy today and have him look at the head.. The color of the deposits in the head, look to be on the lean side. The gas escaped at the top. Which is where I had removed the nuts to install the cht senders. There was torque on the nut, when I went to remove them, it's just that the gas escape pattern suggests that there was looseness at the top. With the turbo putting more pressure on the engine, the problem may be other. When I get back to the plane today, I'm going to play with the other head and see what the torque is like on that side. Orma Southfield, MI KR-2 N110LR 1984 See Tweety at http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com See other KR spces at www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/krinfo.htm ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:58:51 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Welcome, Tony. I own a KR2 which is complete and used to fly; I live in Paris, and you are welcome to contact me off net. With a KR, you can build as you go, since the raw materials you need to start your project are fairly cheap (wood and foam). As far as engines are concerned, Barry made a pretty good summary. I would like to add that: - A KR will fly nicely with as little power as 60 hp. - You can either buy a certified engine (unnecessary luxury in my opinion), or buy a non certified "professional" engine (a non certified Rotax, for instance) or buy an automotive conversion, or make your own automotive conversion. (Barry, as far as VW engines are concerned, you don't have to check the tappets if your VW is a Type 4. Actually, the Type 4 is very different from all the previous VW versions; it does not crack easily, has hydraulic lifters, etc., and is definitely a good option; although I doubt you can get one easily in Europe.) - If you don't want to start an engine project, and want to buy a ready made engine, go Jabiru. Cheaper and not worse than the Rotax. In general, with a KR2, everything comes down to effort versus money. Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Barry Kruyssen" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem.com@mylist.net 2005-09-09 00:48 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-09-09 00:50 Pour : "KRnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe Welcome Tony, In my opinion the KR2S is a great choice. Engines (the controversial subject) a.. Certified engines like the O-200, etc are too expensive and a bit fuel hungry b.. Corvair engines are an auto engine and unless you are in the US may be a bit hard to get parts for. Also as I understand it, the crank shaft lateral thrust bearing is on the center journal which could cause problems for the cracking of cranks (someone please correct me if I'm wrong where the thrust bearing is). c.. VW conversions, yes another auto engine but they have been in aircraft for ever. The problem here is that they are heavy for the horse power they deliver. People try squeeze more HP out of them and then they become unreliable. You have to check the tappets regularly. d.. Jabiru engines are light, designed for aircraft, reliable and fuel efficient, but you have to check the tappets regularly and can only use a timber prop. e.. Rotax 4 stroke engines (don't know much about the Rotax 2 stroke engines) are light, designed for aircraft, reliable and fuel efficient. They have water cooled heads, hydraulic tappets, you can use an in-flight adjustable prop (if you want). Very user friendly in that you don't have do much on them, except turn the key and fly, but a bit expensive. Best Horse Power for weight against MY dollars is the Jabiru. The above are only my opinions and will no doubt cause some heated discussion :-) This was the process led me to deciding on a Jabiru. regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Antoine F8CKH To: krnet@mylist.net Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 6:44 AM Subject: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe Dear all, My name's Tony, I'm a 24 year old Flight / Attendant for a british airline. I've been flying since 3 years now (I've got my PPL in France) and I would like to move on to something else: build my own aircraft and enjoy flying that way. As my dad had begun a Cozy several years ago, I was already pretty much aware about what is an experimental aircraft but now it's time to go for my own project. I'm ready to spend hours in my workshop and now here are some questions about a KR2S project: - I didn't have a look yet at the plans themselves but I'd like to know how is the building process divided into parts. Whilst I'm looking at the different groups (1, 2, ...) of raw materials, I guess everything has to be built from "'scratch"? (apart from those molded parts) - What would you think of mounting a Rotax 912 (100 HP) on the aircraft? Apparently, the Rotax has a gross weight lesser than a Continental O - 200. Anyway, This was just a quick introduction and I hope to hear from you soon, guys! Regards, Tony _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:09:31 +0200 From: "Cris." Subject: Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Tony! I think that the Rotax 912 option will become more popular with the spreading of KR2S in Europe. The race for replacing older 80HP with a 100HP will hopefully make some 80HP engines available on the market at affordable prices. I have an 80HP 912 on my Storm and I am pretty satisfied with it for a number of reasons and I'm not considering buying a 100, but a lot of friends think differently, so I hope I'll be able to buy an 80 when It will be the time to work forward the firewall. Besides, I hope more people start a KR in Europe, as the problems here are different. Engine mounts, wood availability, certification issues and so on. I know of a KR2S with flaperons, operating in a 200 ft long runway near Rome (I'm currently trying to get in touch with the owner). This could be due to the need of lowering the stall speed. Ciao! Cristiano. Roma (ITALY) 2005/9/9, Serge VIDAL : > > Welcome, Tony. > > I own a KR2 which is complete and used to fly; I live in Paris, and > you are welcome to contact me off net. > > With a KR, you can build as you go, since the raw materials you need > to start your project are fairly cheap (wood and foam). > > As far as engines are concerned, Barry made a pretty good summary. I > would like to add that: > > - A KR will fly nicely with as little power as 60 hp. > > - You can either buy a certified engine (unnecessary luxury in my > opinion), or buy a non certified "professional" engine (a non > certified Rotax, for instance) or buy an automotive conversion, or > make your own automotive conversion. > > (Barry, as far as VW engines are concerned, you don't have to check > the tappets if your VW is a Type 4. Actually, the Type 4 is very > different from all the previous VW versions; it does not crack easily, > has hydraulic lifters, etc., and is definitely a good option; although > I doubt you can get one easily in Europe.) > > - If you don't want to start an engine project, and want to buy a > ready made engine, go Jabiru. Cheaper and not worse than the Rotax. > > In general, with a KR2, everything comes down to effort versus money. > > > Serge Vidal > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > Paris, France > > > > > > "Barry Kruyssen" > > Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem.com@mylist.net > 2005-09-09 00:48 > Veuillez répondre à KRnet > Remis le : 2005-09-09 00:50 > > > Pour : "KRnet" > cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) > Objet : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe > > > > Welcome Tony, > > In my opinion the KR2S is a great choice. > > Engines (the controversial subject) > a.. Certified engines like the O-200, etc are too expensive and a bit > fuel hungry b.. Corvair engines are an auto engine and unless you are > in the US may be a bit hard to get parts for. Also as I understand it, > the crank shaft lateral thrust bearing is on the center journal which > could cause problems for the cracking of cranks (someone please > correct me if I'm wrong where the thrust bearing is). > c.. VW conversions, yes another auto engine but they have been in > aircraft for ever. The problem here is that they are heavy for the horse > power they deliver. People try squeeze more HP out of them and then they > become unreliable. You have to check the tappets regularly. > d.. Jabiru engines are light, designed for aircraft, reliable and fuel > efficient, but you have to check the tappets regularly and can only use a > timber prop. > e.. Rotax 4 stroke engines (don't know much about the Rotax 2 stroke > engines) are light, designed for aircraft, reliable and fuel efficient. > They have water cooled heads, hydraulic tappets, you can use an in-flight > adjustable prop (if you want). Very user friendly in that you don't have > do much on them, except turn the key and fly, but a bit expensive. > > Best Horse Power for weight against MY dollars is the Jabiru. > > The above are only my opinions and will no doubt cause some heated > discussion :-) This was the process led me to deciding on a Jabiru. > > regards > Barry Kruyssen > Cairns, Australia > RAA 19-3873 > > kr2@BigPond.com > http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Antoine F8CKH > To: krnet@mylist.net > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 6:44 AM > Subject: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe > > > Dear all, > > My name's Tony, I'm a 24 year old Flight / Attendant for a british > airline. I've been flying since 3 years now (I've got my PPL in > France) and I would like to move on to something else: build my own > aircraft and enjoy flying that way. > > As my dad had begun a Cozy several years ago, I was already pretty > much aware about what is an experimental aircraft but now it's time to > go for my own project. > > I'm ready to spend hours in my workshop and now here are some > questions about a KR2S project: > > - I didn't have a look yet at the plans themselves but I'd like to > know how is the building process divided into parts. Whilst I'm > looking at the different groups (1, 2, ...) of raw materials, I guess > everything has to be built from "'scratch"? (apart from those molded > parts) > > - What would you think of mounting a Rotax 912 (100 HP) on the > aircraft? Apparently, the Rotax has a gross weight lesser than a > Continental O - 200. > > Anyway, > > This was just a quick introduction and I hope to hear from you soon, > guys! > > Regards, > > Tony > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Land the airplane, rubber side down, main wheels first. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:29:17 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe To: flyingb@gmail.com, KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, Cristiano. 200ft long runway? Hey, that's the size of a tennis court! Did you smoke something, or did you get your unit conversions wrong? I would dream of flaperons in my KR2. If somebody has got a design, I would like to here more about it! Here in France, wood construction is still the norm, and more and more sophisticated wooden designs are showing up. The hybrid (wood and fiberglass) KR2 onstruction is still seen with suspicion. Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Cris." Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-09-09 11:09 Veuillez répondre à flyingb; Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-09-09 11:10 Pour : KRnet cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: Réf. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe Hi, Tony! I think that the Rotax 912 option will become more popular with the spreading of KR2S in Europe. The race for replacing older 80HP with a 100HP will hopefully make some 80HP engines available on the market at affordable prices. I have an 80HP 912 on my Storm and I am pretty satisfied with it for a number of reasons and I'm not considering buying a 100, but a lot of friends think differently, so I hope I'll be able to buy an 80 when It will be the time to work forward the firewall. Besides, I hope more people start a KR in Europe, as the problems here are different. Engine mounts, wood availability, certification issues and so on. I know of a KR2S with flaperons, operating in a 200 ft long runway near Rome (I'm currently trying to get in touch with the owner). This could be due to the need of lowering the stall speed. Ciao! Cristiano. Roma (ITALY) 2005/9/9, Serge VIDAL : > > Welcome, Tony. > > I own a KR2 which is complete and used to fly; I live in Paris, and > you are welcome to contact me off net. > > With a KR, you can build as you go, since the raw materials you need > to start your project are fairly cheap (wood and foam). > > As far as engines are concerned, Barry made a pretty good summary. I would > like to add that: > > - A KR will fly nicely with as little power as 60 hp. > > - You can either buy a certified engine (unnecessary luxury in my > opinion), or buy a non certified "professional" engine (a non > certified Rotax, for instance) or buy an automotive conversion, or > make your own automotive conversion. > > (Barry, as far as VW engines are concerned, you don't have to check > the tappets if your VW is a Type 4. Actually, the Type 4 is very > different from all the previous VW versions; it does not crack easily, > has hydraulic > lifters, etc., and is definitely a good option; although I doubt you > can get one easily in Europe.) > > - If you don't want to start an engine project, and want to buy a > ready made engine, go Jabiru. Cheaper and not worse than the Rotax. > > In general, with a KR2, everything comes down to effort versus money. > > > Serge Vidal > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > Paris, France > > > > > > "Barry Kruyssen" > > Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem.com@mylist.net > 2005-09-09 00:48 > Veuillez répondre à KRnet > Remis le : 2005-09-09 00:50 > > > Pour : "KRnet" > cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) > Objet : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe > > > > Welcome Tony, > > In my opinion the KR2S is a great choice. > > Engines (the controversial subject) > a.. Certified engines like the O-200, etc are too expensive and a bit > fuel hungry b.. Corvair engines are an auto engine and unless you are > in the US may be a bit hard to get parts for. Also as I understand it, > the crank shaft lateral thrust bearing is on the center journal which > could cause problems > for the cracking of cranks (someone please correct me if I'm wrong > where the thrust bearing is). c.. VW conversions, yes another auto > engine but they have been in aircraft for ever. The problem here is > that they are heavy for the horse power they deliver. People try > squeeze more HP out of them and then they become unreliable. You have > to check the tappets regularly. d.. Jabiru engines are light, designed > for aircraft, reliable and fuel efficient, but you have to check the > tappets regularly and can only use a > timber prop. > e.. Rotax 4 stroke engines (don't know much about the Rotax 2 stroke > engines) are light, designed for aircraft, reliable and fuel > efficient. They have water cooled heads, hydraulic tappets, you can > use an in-flight > adjustable prop (if you want). Very user friendly in that you don't > have do much on them, except turn the key and fly, but a bit > expensive. > > Best Horse Power for weight against MY dollars is the Jabiru. > > The above are only my opinions and will no doubt cause some heated > discussion :-) This was the process led me to deciding on a Jabiru. > > regards > Barry Kruyssen > Cairns, Australia > RAA 19-3873 > > kr2@BigPond.com > http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Antoine F8CKH > To: krnet@mylist.net > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 6:44 AM > Subject: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe > > > Dear all, > > My name's Tony, I'm a 24 year old Flight / Attendant for a british > airline. I've been flying since 3 years now (I've got my PPL in > France) and I would like to move on to something else: build my own > aircraft and enjoy flying that way. > > As my dad had begun a Cozy several years ago, I was already pretty > much aware about what is an experimental aircraft but now it's time to > go for my own project. > > I'm ready to spend hours in my workshop and now here are some > questions about a KR2S project: > > - I didn't have a look yet at the plans themselves but I'd like to > know how is the building process divided into parts. Whilst I'm > looking at the > different groups (1, 2, ...) of raw materials, I guess everything has > to be built from "'scratch"? (apart from those molded parts) > > - What would you think of mounting a Rotax 912 (100 HP) on the > aircraft? Apparently, the Rotax has a gross weight lesser than a > Continental O - 200. > > Anyway, > > This was just a quick introduction and I hope to hear from you soon, > guys! > > Regards, > > Tony > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Land the airplane, rubber side down, main wheels first. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:34:42 +0100 From: "phil brookman" Subject: Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <004a01c5b52a$16d9e600$73a51352@philljl2re6t9i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 and dont forget vortex gennies to lower stall speed too someone must have done it p ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cris." To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Réf. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe Hi, Tony! I think that the Rotax 912 option will become more popular with the spreading of KR2S in Europe. The race for replacing older 80HP with a 100HP will hopefully make some 80HP engines available on the market at affordable prices. I have an 80HP 912 on my Storm and I am pretty satisfied with it for a number of reasons and I'm not considering buying a 100, but a lot of friends think differently, so I hope I'll be able to buy an 80 when It will be the time to work forward the firewall. Besides, I hope more people start a KR in Europe, as the problems here are different. Engine mounts, wood availability, certification issues and so on. I know of a KR2S with flaperons, operating in a 200 ft long runway near Rome (I'm currently trying to get in touch with the owner). This could be due to the need of lowering the stall speed. Ciao! Cristiano. Roma (ITALY) 2005/9/9, Serge VIDAL : > > Welcome, Tony. > > I own a KR2 which is complete and used to fly; I live in Paris, and > you are welcome to contact me off net. > > With a KR, you can build as you go, since the raw materials you need > to start your project are fairly cheap (wood and foam). > > As far as engines are concerned, Barry made a pretty good summary. I > would like to add that: > > - A KR will fly nicely with as little power as 60 hp. > > - You can either buy a certified engine (unnecessary luxury in my > opinion), or buy a non certified "professional" engine (a non > certified Rotax, for instance) or buy an automotive conversion, or > make your own automotive conversion. > > (Barry, as far as VW engines are concerned, you don't have to check > the tappets if your VW is a Type 4. Actually, the Type 4 is very > different from all the previous VW versions; it does not crack easily, > has hydraulic lifters, etc., and is definitely a good option; although > I doubt you can get one easily in Europe.) > > - If you don't want to start an engine project, and want to buy a > ready made engine, go Jabiru. Cheaper and not worse than the Rotax. > > In general, with a KR2, everything comes down to effort versus money. > > > Serge Vidal > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > Paris, France > > > > > > "Barry Kruyssen" > > Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem.com@mylist.net > 2005-09-09 00:48 > Veuillez répondre à KRnet > Remis le : 2005-09-09 00:50 > > > Pour : "KRnet" > cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) > Objet : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe > > > > Welcome Tony, > > In my opinion the KR2S is a great choice. > > Engines (the controversial subject) > a.. Certified engines like the O-200, etc are too expensive and a bit > fuel hungry b.. Corvair engines are an auto engine and unless you are > in the US may be a bit hard to get parts for. Also as I understand it, > the crank shaft lateral thrust bearing is on the center journal which > could cause problems for the cracking of cranks (someone please > correct me if I'm wrong where the thrust bearing is). > c.. VW conversions, yes another auto engine but they have been in > aircraft for ever. The problem here is that they are heavy for the horse > power they deliver. People try squeeze more HP out of them and then they > become unreliable. You have to check the tappets regularly. > d.. Jabiru engines are light, designed for aircraft, reliable and fuel > efficient, but you have to check the tappets regularly and can only use a > timber prop. > e.. Rotax 4 stroke engines (don't know much about the Rotax 2 stroke > engines) are light, designed for aircraft, reliable and fuel efficient. > They have water cooled heads, hydraulic tappets, you can use an in-flight > adjustable prop (if you want). Very user friendly in that you don't have > do much on them, except turn the key and fly, but a bit expensive. > > Best Horse Power for weight against MY dollars is the Jabiru. > > The above are only my opinions and will no doubt cause some heated > discussion :-) This was the process led me to deciding on a Jabiru. > > regards > Barry Kruyssen > Cairns, Australia > RAA 19-3873 > > kr2@BigPond.com > http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Antoine F8CKH > To: krnet@mylist.net > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 6:44 AM > Subject: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe > > > Dear all, > > My name's Tony, I'm a 24 year old Flight / Attendant for a british > airline. I've been flying since 3 years now (I've got my PPL in > France) and I would like to move on to something else: build my own > aircraft and enjoy flying that way. > > As my dad had begun a Cozy several years ago, I was already pretty > much aware about what is an experimental aircraft but now it's time to > go for my own project. > > I'm ready to spend hours in my workshop and now here are some > questions about a KR2S project: > > - I didn't have a look yet at the plans themselves but I'd like to > know how is the building process divided into parts. Whilst I'm > looking at the different groups (1, 2, ...) of raw materials, I guess > everything has to be built from "'scratch"? (apart from those molded > parts) > > - What would you think of mounting a Rotax 912 (100 HP) on the > aircraft? Apparently, the Rotax has a gross weight lesser than a > Continental O - 200. > > Anyway, > > This was just a quick introduction and I hope to hear from you soon, > guys! > > Regards, > > Tony > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Land the airplane, rubber side down, main wheels first. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/91 - Release Date: 06/09/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 07:07:48 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> Fly in coordinates To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001a01c5b52f$29117ef0$69a772d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brant Hollensbe" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 6:08 PM Subject: Re: KR> Fly in coordinates > > >> Could someone please post the lat/longs of the Mount Vernon Fly In. >> I'm curious to find out how far it is from Coffs Harbour and whether >> I need to refuel. > > > Hi John > Here is the lat/long of Mount Vernon. > > Lat/Long: 38-19-24.0760N / 088-51-30.5250W > 38-19.401267N / 088-51.508750W > 38.3233544 / -88.8584792 > > I'm unsure if the shortest route is a left or right hand turn > out of Coffs Harbour. Keep us updated on your flight. > > Brant Hollensbe > That would depend on your choice of the eastern or western route. There > is a fuel savings if you go west!> > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 05:08:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott William Subject: Re: KR> Tweety is sick To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050909120841.24791.qmail@web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 If I may offer this: The reason I asked about your head gasket is because you did as I suspected. Just my $.02 here on your work....but when you loosened the nuts, you should have removed the head, re-annealed the copper gasket, and reinstalled and torqued. Once the torque is removed from copper, it will not properly reseal (combustion pressures)unless it is replaced with a new one, or annealed to soften it back up. In a turbo motor such as yours, this is imperative because of the increased combustion temps. Again, just my $.02 from years of building air cooled stuff... If you want to know of a good annealing process, I'd be gld to offer. Scott --- Orma wrote: > Yes, burned under the copper gasket and eventually > through the copper > gasket. I'm going to talk to my VW guy today and > have him look at the > head.. The color of the deposits in the head, look > to be on the lean side. > The gas escaped at the top. Which is where I had > removed the nuts to > install the cht senders. There was torque on the > nut, when I went to remove > them, it's just that the gas escape pattern suggests > that there was > looseness at the top. With the turbo putting more > pressure on the engine, > the problem may be other. When I get back to the > plane today, I'm going to > play with the other head and see what the torque is > like on that side. > > Orma > Southfield, MI > KR-2 N110LR 1984 > See Tweety at http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com > See other KR spces at > www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/krinfo.htm > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 10:53:06 -0400 From: JAMES FERRIS Subject: Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050910.105307.1952.0.mijnil@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Why can't you get a VW engine in Europe? isn't Germany still in Europe? Looks like that would be the first choice. Jim ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:01:53 +0200 From: "Cris." Subject: Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You are right, Germany is still in Europe (!). I don't know why, but engine rebuilding is not that popular here. In my airfield we're 95% Rotax. I must admit that those engines are great (do not flame me, please). I've had one for 4 years now, it goes great, fuel consumption is 14 lt/hour and with the right maintenance it is VERY reliable. And of course you do not have to convert it to aviation use :-) I can think about it for the next years, anyway :-) One question: is in your opinion viable to start building without actually knowing what engine you will mount? I mean, is there a precise moment in building where you absolutely must know what your engine will be? Cris. 2005/9/10, JAMES FERRIS : > > Why can't you get a VW engine in Europe? isn't Germany still in Europe? > Looks like that would be the first choice. > Jim > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Land the airplane, rubber side down, main wheels first. ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:10:16 -0400 From: JAMES FERRIS Subject: Re: Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe To: flyingb@gmail.com,krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050910.111016.1952.1.mijnil@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry! I diden't mean to flame you, but I was sort of smart assed. Pleasr excuse me? Jim ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:13:57 +0200 From: "Cris." Subject: Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If someone of you guys want have a look to my actual bird, just jump to: http://www.aviocris.com/temp It's a simple directory listing of some pics I just put there. The plane has been repainted red last year, so, looking at the "passaggio basso.jpg" it's the one in right wing, although differently painted. The other one is a Storm, too. James, you did not flame me, I was joking. It's pretty common here talking badly of Rotax engines, although everyone wants one. I think the main down is the price :-) Cris. ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:15:34 -0500 From: "Brant Hollensbe" Subject: Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <000401c5b551$54c91590$0702a8c0@bruntson> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original > One question: is in your opinion viable to start building without actually > knowing what engine you will mount? Hi Cris Most guys start building there KRs with out positively knowing which engine they will install. Of course the engine should be as light as possible, but it is critical the center of gravity(CG) of the completed plane fall within the parameters set forth in the plans. You can adjust this by building your engine mount to move the engine a longer or shorter distance from the firewall, removing or downsizing the header tank and install wing tanks, and by relocating heavy items like the battery fore or aft. Gotta go, I'm taking off for the KR gathering in an hour. Brant Hollensbe DSM ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:16:29 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Because Europe is small, crowded, and environmentally friendly. The VW engines suitable for aircraft conversions are old generation air cooled engines, from the VW Beetles, then later the VW minibuses. These have been chased off the roads of Europe several decades ago, due to tough pollution control regulations, and high fuel costs. They are now, roughly speaking, collector's items. Here, junkyards are few and far between, and they don't keep old parts forever. Custom mechanical workshops are almost non existent. Private aircraft in general are scarce, too, so the market for engines conversions and parts would be very small. No custom car racing either, no hot rod, no dune buggies, no air boats... need I to say more? The only VW engines for aircraft that are found in significant numbers are the Limbach (certified German Type 3 and Type 4 conversion), which used to be very popular with motor gliders. Apart from that, people tend to buy new engines, and yes, mainly ROTAX engines. Yep, Europe ain't no homebuilder's paradise! Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France JAMES FERRIS Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem.com@mylist.net 2005-09-10 16:53 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-09-09 16:56 Pour : krnet@mylist.net cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: Réf. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe Why can't you get a VW engine in Europe? isn't Germany still in Europe? Looks like that would be the first choice. Jim _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:17:59 +0100 From: "phil brookman" Subject: Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00bc01c5b551$a9a5c900$73a51352@philljl2re6t9i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 there is a type 4 over here in thre uk -what about limbach as well p ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES FERRIS" To: Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Réf. : Re: KR> Hi from a new comer / prospective builder in Europe > Why can't you get a VW engine in Europe? isn't Germany still in Europe? > Looks like that would be the first choice. > Jim > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/91 - Release Date: 06/09/2005 > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. 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