From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 359 Date: 9/12/2005 9:00:14 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Gathering Date (Rick Human) 2. test (Martha Crawford) 3. Re: test (Pat Driscoll) 4. Changing gear -- from retractable to tri-gear (Mike Geoghegan andothers?) (Rich Meyer) 5. Re: Gathering Date (Robert L. Stone) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:39:48 -0500 From: "Rick Human" Subject: Re: KR> Gathering Date To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006101c5b80c$6906aa50$98d5dacf@hpjxij3s2uk3q6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Only problem with Killeen is that it is usually affected by GB's schedule - His ranch is near and when he's there it become a no fly zone - do you know the procedure when F-16's appear off your wing? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Stone" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 4:16 PM Subject: Re: KR> Gathering Date > Dear Netheads, > After reading many posts about the just passed get together and > understanding how much you guys look florward to seeing each other and > exchanging ideas, etc why not have two gatherings during the year. > Spring time just as it starts to warm up but is not real hot yet and > Fall just before it is too cold. Also, have your get together in the > most central part of the country. The airport here in Killeen, Texas > (Skylark field) would be a perfect place since the new Regional > Airport was opened there is > very little activity at Skylark Field. There is also plenty of space > to park KR aircraft. Fuel is also cheaper there than any other airport > in this area that I know of. > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > rstone4@hot.rr.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Janssen" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 2:08 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Gathering Date > > > >A couple of thoughts when considering dates. Early Spring usually > >brings some pretty stiff winds here in central IL. Also, in late > >October, it starts getting dark pretty early in the evening - 5:00 > >or so after the time change. Either the last week in Sept. or the > >first week in October would > > be > > my choice. > > > > Ed > > > > Ed Janssen > > mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Jones" > > To: "KRnet" > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 12:00 PM > > Subject: RE: KR> Gathering Date > > > > > >> I too agree with Dan that Sept should be eliminated. Why have we > >> not spoken of early Spring when everyone is excited about good > >> flying weather after long dreary winter. Some of the best flying > >> weather I have > >> experienced has been early Spring. Just a thought. Let's all chip > >> in their ideas and see what the consensus is. Mark Jones (N886MJ) > >> Wales, WI > >> Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > >> Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > >> Behalf Of Dan Heath > >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 11:46 AM > >> To: krnet@mylist.net > >> Subject: KR> Gathering Date > >> > >> > >> I believe that better weather is available during the month of > >> October and over the years have heard many comments about the poor > >> weather conditions > >> during the month of September. I have now flown to 4 gatherings and > >> this > >> was the first time that I was able to go to and from the gathering > >> without > >> incident. However, it was not without great concern as we had just had > >> the > >> worst hurricane in my lifetime and were being threatened by another one > >> that > >> is still sitting off the coast. We had to check often each day to be > >> sure > >> that we would be able to get back home and never knew if we were going > >> be > >> able to stay for the duration of the gathering. > >> > >> I do not understand how it can possibly be the general consensus > >> that we > >> continue to have this event during one of the worst times of the > >> year for > >> flying. I have always thought that this should be open for debate but > >> it > >> has always been dictated and that is something I also do not understand. > >> > >> > >> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering > >> See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics There is > >> a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building > >> has expired. > >> Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > >> -------Original Message------- > >> General consensus was to hold the 2006 Gathering in late September, > >> probably the last weekend, but I'll wait to get input from anyone > >> interested in e-mailing me at my e-mail address above with their input. > >> > >> _______________________________________ > >> Search the KRnet Archives at > >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >> > >> _______________________________________ > >> Search the KRnet Archives at > >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:40:53 -0400 From: Martha Crawford Subject: KR> test To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed is this working ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:32:04 -0500 From: "Pat Driscoll" Subject: Re: KR> test To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003401c5b813$b63f0540$0500a8c0@PREFERREE6A566> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Works for me ----- Original Message ----- From: Martha Crawford To: KRnet Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 9:40 PM Subject: KR> test is this working _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:55:34 -0500 From: "Rich Meyer" Subject: KR> Changing gear -- from retractable to tri-gear (Mike Geoghegan andothers?) To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <002901c5b817$092b04e0$3decfea9@RHM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mike, A year and a half ago you posted about converting your project from a "non-modified" (really? Is there such a thing?) "KR2 on retractable gear" to tri-gear. After a year on Krnet (I lost my heart to KR) and a year on Sonextalk (my brother-in-law and prospective partner in building did not want to get into fiberglass work), my brother-in-law and I became the silly-happy new owners of N26LT this week. I thought we were going to get a Sonex kit when we could afford it, but we found this KR for sale with 300 hours on it, a HAPI VW 1835, and when he convinced himself he could fit in it with seat dropped to the max, we bought it. Our plane is a "non-modified" (really?) KR2 on retractable gear. We want to remove the retractable gear and make it a tri-gear. We would like to talk to anyone who has been through this conversion about the process. You said you had a single piece Grove gear made up. I thought there was a bracket available to mount spring gear on the main spar in the wing stubs? What have others used for the main who mounted tri-gear? Oh, and it's great to be back on Krnet! Next year we hope to make it to the gathering. Thanks, Rich H. Meyer Cptcsd at npcc dot net Phone 574-642-3963 Cell 574-202-3920 ------------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Michael Geoghegan Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 2:43 PM To: Krnet Subject: KR>First flight for low time pilot (long) Netters My name is Mike Geoghegan. I have been a member of KRNET for about 4 years. I have posted to the net on a few occasions but for the most part I have listened and gathered a great deal of information which I have used in the completion of my kr2. N47MG is a close to plans built kr2. About 4 years ago I rescued a boat stage project that had been sitting in a barn for 10 years. It was going to the dumps or my garage and since I was looking for a project to take up some of my spare time I put it in my garage. I had started down the road toward a private license in 1980 and got about 20 hours and solo when, due to children, work, and everything else I had to stop. Well now with the last child off to college I was ready to finally get that license. The kr project would keep me busy and when finished, I would have a plane to fly. For those of you who are not low time pilots I can make this post short and tell you that I am flying N47MG and I will be providing photos for everyone to see as soon as the weather in Vermont gets a little warmer. I hope that will be soon. The following is a recap of my experience getting my plane in the air with very little flight time in my log book. The project was a non modified tail wheel kr2 on retracts. I won't go into detail on the completion of the project except to say that I stuck to the plans and ended up with a dry weight of 598 lbs. There were a few things I did in the completion process that I would recommend to others. 1. Be sure to balance ailerons and elevator. The elevator balance is important because without it your elevator trim won't overcome the weight of the elevator. 2. Don't short change the importance of both aileron and elevator trim. I installed what was then Mac servos in the elevator and the very smallest one in the left aileron so I could see it off to my left. It is a 12 inch piano hinge with a piece of 12 x 2 inch sheet metal attached to the trailing edge of the aileron. The servos are controlled by the four buttons on the top of the stick. (also a Mac product) With the use of both trims I can fly this plane hands free for short periods of time. 3. The engine that came with the project was a 1700cc vw. It was mounted as a hand prop setup and it had a posa carb installed. I rebuilt the engine and when I got to the point of testing it I ran into a lot of trouble with the posa carb. Suffice to say that after many hours of testing I lost my patience. I bit the bullet and bought an Ellison. I also purchased an accessory case with starter and alternator. The Ellison is fantastic and the starter is much safer. Now to the hard part. I finished my project in September of 2002. Got the airworthiness certificate and it was ready for testing. I did some low speed taxi testing to maybe 25 mph but I didn't have my pilot certificate yet so I was not going to be able to fly it anyway. I found a test pilot with lots of tail wheel time that was willing to take a test flight. In October of 2002 he showed up for an inspection and a half hour later he got in and took off. The test went very well. Climbs, steep turns, stalls, and a picture perfect wheel landing. He made it all look very easy. The only thing I had to do was increase the surface area of the aileron trim so it could hold the plane level hands free. After the test flight I had to take my check ride and get my certificate. Once I did that I now had a tail wheel kr2 ready to fly. I know that there have been some conversations on the net about not needing a tail wheel endorsement to fly an experimental but you have to be a fool to think that you don't need any tail wheel experience to successfully fly one. Since the test pilot I used was not a CFI and I couldn't find anyone to give me the tail wheel experience I proceeded to do a lot of taxi testing myself. After about 6 hours of time trying to keep the tail up and the plane straight and almost loosing it on a number of occasions I did the smart thing and converted the plane to a tri gear. I purchased a Diehl nose gear assembly and I had a single piece Grove gear made up. I put Tracy O'Brian brakes on the gear and fabricated toe brake pedals to operate the hydraulics. The main gear installation was really pretty easy once the brackets were made up. After two or three taxi test sessions it was obvious that for me the change to tri gear was the right way to go. The plane felt very comfortable. It had familiar handling traits on the ground and I had no trouble keeping it straight under throttle. On the fourth taxi test everything felt so good at 50 that instead of slowing I followed through with a little more speed and back pressure. The plane absolutely leapt into the air. I corrected with a little forward pressure and within two oscillations I was climbing 700 fpm at 80mph. Talking about a thrill! I played with the trim as I was climbing and got settled so I wasn't holding the attitude with the stick. At this point I would like to voice my observations about pitch sensitivity. I only have about 100 hours logged mostly in a 152 but first hand experience can be very valuable. In my opinion the kr2 is not pitch sensitive. What I have found is that the kr2 is very stick sensitive. That is to say that I only use a fraction of stick to control the plane. I have found that if I trim properly I can fly with two finger tips on the stick. If the plane is not trimmed properly then I find myself using too much control input and end up over correcting. The plane responds so well that you can almost think about banking and it will. Now to bring you back to where I left you last. I was climbing out on the first flight. What a joy to feel the response of this plane. I spent some time at altitude trying different speeds and flight attitudes including some slow flight. Again, the trim control helped greatly. I did not feel comfortable trying any stalls but I did have a good idea of the stall speed from the first test flight. The big problem now was how do I land this very sensitive plane when I was used to the yoke of a 152. The answer is not very smooth and not very pretty. It was inevitable that I would end up over correcting on final. I was able to enter final at 80 mph but I was all over the place. The problem was that I kept telling myself "fly the plane" when I should have let it fly itself. All of my input was too much. Well, I made the runway and I made it to a full stop and I didn't have a heart attack but it was close. As I was rolling out one of the locals who was holding short, watching my landing, got on the radio and asked if it was my first flight. After my affirmative reply all he said was "It looks beautiful". I got out and kissed the ground. Every flight since then has been much better and I got a chance to grease one right in front of my CFI. Always a good thing to do. Here is some data: Dry weight is 598 lb Engine is VW 1700cc Carb is Ellison EFS-2 Prop is a Sterba 52 x 42 Header tank only - 16 gal Fuel consumption is 3 to 3.5 gal per hr Climb is 700 fpm at 80 mph Max speed is 130 mph @ 3600 rpm Cruse is 115 mph @ 3200 rpm Landing approach @ 80 mph Numbers @ 70 mph Touch @ 60 or below No flaps or speed brake and not much float. Since it has been a very cold winter here in Vermont I have spent some time putting on wheel pants and doing misc. work as I wait for some good flying days. I hope to fly off the test hours this spring and by then I will really know more about the performance. I also hope to build a larger displacement VW and get some more speed out of her. Turbulence really moves this plane around a lot because it is so light. I'm not sure how long a period of time I could spend going fast and getting thrown around so much but on a smooth day I can see this plane going fast! I hope this has been helpful to those low time pilots trying to make some decisions on their projects and maybe it will help the high time pilots prepare for their first flights. Regards, Mike Geoghegan Moretown Vermont N47MG ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:58:13 -0500 From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Gathering Date To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007301c5b817$5d219e10$5d817646@yourat5qgaac3z> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Rick, You are right about the president being at his ranch from time to time however this is not a problem. All one has to do is follow published procedures and you can go anywhere within P49 except the last ten miles from the ranch. File a flight plan, get a transponder code from Gray Approach Control and be squawking the entire time you are in the air and in the 30 mile circle, and finally be in radio contact with Gray or Waco until you get within 2 miles of the airport in P49 where you intend to land. They will then instruct you to go to the airport frequency and make your calls. In the event you are intercepted by one of the patrolling F-16's just go to 121.5 and follow the F-16's pilot instructions. I have made trips from Skylark Field in Killeen to Temple when the president was at his ranch and never had any problem what-so-ever. Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Human" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 9:39 PM Subject: Re: KR> Gathering Date > Only problem with Killeen is that it is usually affected by GB's > schedule - > His ranch is near and when he's there it become a no fly zone - do you > know > the procedure when F-16's appear off your wing? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert L. Stone" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 4:16 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Gathering Date > > >> Dear Netheads, >> After reading many posts about the just passed get together and >> understanding how much you guys look florward to seeing each other >> and exchanging ideas, etc why not have two gatherings during the >> year. Spring time just as it starts to warm up but is not real hot >> yet and Fall just before it is too cold. Also, have your get >> together in the most central part of the country. The airport here >> in Killeen, Texas (Skylark field) would be a perfect place since the >> new Regional Airport was opened there > is >> very little activity at Skylark Field. There is also plenty of space >> to park KR aircraft. Fuel is also cheaper there than any other >> airport in this area that I know >> of. >> >> Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx >> rstone4@hot.rr.com >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ed Janssen" >> To: "KRnet" >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 2:08 PM >> Subject: Re: KR> Gathering Date >> >> >> >A couple of thoughts when considering dates. Early Spring usually >> >brings >> > some pretty stiff winds here in central IL. Also, in late October, it >> > starts getting dark pretty early in the evening - 5:00 or so after the >> > time >> > change. Either the last week in Sept. or the first week in October > would >> > be >> > my choice. >> > >> > Ed >> > >> > Ed Janssen >> > mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Mark Jones" >> > To: "KRnet" >> > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 12:00 PM >> > Subject: RE: KR> Gathering Date >> > >> > >> >> I too agree with Dan that Sept should be eliminated. Why have we >> >> not spoken of early Spring when everyone is excited about good >> >> flying weather after long dreary winter. Some of the best flying >> >> weather I > have >> >> experienced has been early Spring. Just a thought. Let's all chip >> >> in their ideas and see what the consensus is. Mark Jones (N886MJ) >> >> Wales, WI >> >> Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj >> >> Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On >> >> Behalf Of Dan Heath >> >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 11:46 AM >> >> To: krnet@mylist.net >> >> Subject: KR> Gathering Date >> >> >> >> >> >> I believe that better weather is available during the month of >> >> October and over the years have heard many comments about the poor >> >> weather conditions >> >> during the month of September. I have now flown to 4 gatherings and >> >> this >> >> was the first time that I was able to go to and from the gathering >> >> without >> >> incident. However, it was not without great concern as we had just >> >> had >> >> the >> >> worst hurricane in my lifetime and were being threatened by another >> >> one >> >> that >> >> is still sitting off the coast. We had to check often each day to be >> >> sure >> >> that we would be able to get back home and never knew if we were going >> >> be >> >> able to stay for the duration of the gathering. >> >> >> >> I do not understand how it can possibly be the general consensus >> >> that > we >> >> continue to have this event during one of the worst times of the >> >> year for >> >> flying. I have always thought that this should be open for debate >> >> but >> >> it >> >> has always been dictated and that is something I also do not > understand. >> >> >> >> >> >> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering >> >> See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics There >> >> is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for >> >> building has expired. >> >> Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC >> >> -------Original Message------- >> >> General consensus was to hold the 2006 Gathering in late September, >> >> probably the last weekend, but I'll wait to get input from anyone >> >> interested in e-mailing me at my e-mail address above with their >> >> input. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> >> Search the KRnet Archives at >> >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> >> Search the KRnet Archives at >> >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________ >> > Search the KRnet Archives at >> > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 359 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================