From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 365 Date: 9/15/2005 9:22:22 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. 22 oz tri-ply cloth. Can't find (Steven Phillabaum) 2. Re: 22 oz tri-ply cloth. Can't find (Kenneth B. Jones) 3. Re: Experimental Amateur Built Certification/Repairman (Kenneth B. Jones) 4. Email addy for Mike Mims (Scott William) 5. Mt Vernon (glidden@ccrtc.com) 6. Rear Starter (Jack Cooper) 7. fairbanks moris mag (Buck Wells) 8. Re: fairbanks moris mag (Scott William) 9. Re: Re: KR> 22 oz tri-ply cloth. Can't find (Steven Phillabaum) 10. Re: fairbanks moris mag (Buck Wells) 11. Basic Corvair Question (Bart Ferguson) 12. Re: Work Bench (IFLYKRS@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 8:33:55 -0400 From: Steven Phillabaum Subject: KR> 22 oz tri-ply cloth. Can't find To: Message-ID: <49k0vg$7iih5i@mxip29a.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mike Mims Built his gear legs using as one of the plys the 22 oz tri-ply cloth. This item is no longer available and I only seem to be able to find a cloth up to 9.85 oz. Tooling cloth. I can still get the 22 oz uni-tape and need a replacement for the tri-ply. Mike if your out there please email me. To others that have built gear legs or have engineering data that might lead me in the correct direction please chime in. Steven Phillabaum KR2S; 5048; corvair; Auburn, Alabama ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:45:55 -0400 From: "Kenneth B. Jones" Subject: Re: KR> 22 oz tri-ply cloth. Can't find To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <03c901c5b9f3$6a473450$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> Wicks has it. P/N TRI-X22, $15.31/yard Ken Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Phillabaum" To: Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 8:33 AM Subject: KR> 22 oz tri-ply cloth. Can't find > Mike Mims Built his gear legs using as one of the plys the 22 oz > tri-ply > cloth. This item is no longer available and I only seem to be able to > find a cloth up to 9.85 oz. Tooling cloth. I can still get the 22 oz > uni-tape and need a replacement for the tri-ply. > Mike if your out there please email me. To others that have built gear > legs or have engineering data that might lead me in the correct direction > please chime in. > > > Steven Phillabaum > KR2S; 5048; corvair; > Auburn, Alabama > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:43:41 -0400 From: "Kenneth B. Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Experimental Amateur Built Certification/Repairman To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <03e201c5b9fb$7c8618e0$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> My thoughts are that taking a KR-2 (or other) that is 99.99% complete and then completing it does not preclude certificating the aircraft as experimental amateur built. AC20-27F Appendix 1, definition of Major Portion, makes it crystal clear that you can count the construction efforts of previous builders. This definition, although it does not specifically apply in AC65-23A, might be used as part of an arguement that you are the primary builder in your pursuit of the repairman certificate for this aircraft. If you won this arguement, you would still have to "demonstrate to the certificating FAA inspector ....(your).... ability to perform condition inspections and to determine whether the subject aircraft is in a condition for safe operation." I think this is normally "demonstrated" by showing your builder's log, but it seems this could be demonstrated some other way, for example, you built most of another KR and then sold it (and have evidence supporting that fact). I don't know if there is anything that requires that you have built 51% to get the repairman certificate (Apparently not, because, if a group of people build a plane, one may be considered to become the repairman for that plane.) It is clear, however, that you can get the airworthiness certificate without having built 51% yourself. Much depends on your FAA office as well as the individuals supporting that office, especially if you are not armed with a knowledge of the regulations and other guidance material. FURTHER READING-----(For more than you wanted to know.) Read AC 65-23A & AC 20-27F (You should read these documents if you are contemplating building and becoming the repairman for an experimental amateur built airplane.) References in the regs (65.104) and the AC (65.23A, paragraph 6.c) both use the words "primary builder". To me, primary could mean first, one who did the most, or the one who's taking responsibility for the whole thing. In this case I tend toward the last one as he is the person taking all the responsibility and getting the airworthiness certificate and the excerpt below from AC 65-23A requires that application for repairman be made at the time of original certification of the aircraft. AC 65-23A, 6.c., gives some examples of primary builder. Also see the definition for "Major Portion" AC 20-27F, Appendix 1. >From AC 65-23A 6 ELIGIBILITY. An individual desiring to be certificated as a repairman is required to: a. Make application for a repairman certificate (experimental aircraft builder) at the time of original certification of the aircraft. Builders who have had their aircraft certificated prior to the effective date (September 10, 1979) of revised FAR Section 21.181(a)(3) and new FAR Section 65.104 may make application for repairman certification prior to the next condition inspection due date. b. Be a U.S. citizen or an individual of a foreign country who has been for permanent residence in the United States. c. Be 18 years of age or older, and the primary builder of the aircraft. For example, when a school, club, or partnership builds an aircraft, only one individual will be considered for a repairman certificate for each aircraft built, such as the class instructor or designated project leader. d. demonstrate to the certificating FAA inspector his or her ability to perform condition inspections and to determine whether the subject aircraft is in a concition for safe operation. >From AC 20-27F Appendix 1 Major Portion. When the aircraft is completed, the majority of the fabrication and assembly tasks have been performed by the amateur builder. >>>>>> When you purchase a partially completed kit or aircraft, the major portion includes the construction efforts of the previous amateur builders.<<<<<<< Ken Jones, kenbjones@cinci.rr.com Sharonville, OH N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deb Unternaehrer" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 7:26 PM > Subject: Re: KR> KR2 on eBay > > >> I think this is one of those "problem childs" according to the FAA. >> You can't register it Exp, amateur built, because you can't prove you >> built it (51% rule) and it stalls to fast to meet Sport Pilot rules. >> Bob U. >> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:52:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott William Subject: KR> Email addy for Mike Mims To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050915135243.73300.qmail@web31510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Anybody have a good email for Mike Mims? I tried mikemims@home.com and it bounced back. Scott __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:38:45 -0500 From: glidden@ccrtc.com Subject: KR> Mt Vernon To: KRnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <200509151038514.SM00144@ccrtc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Netters For anybody close enough to fly or drive,Mt Vernon IL. (Home of the 04,05 and 06 KR Gathering) is having a fly-in/veterans reunion on October 15,2005.The flyer says 8:00AM-5:00PM.Looks like they are going to have several Military aircraft on display as well as a lot of activities...you might find more info at www.eaa1155.org or you can call for info the number is (618) 242-7016. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:39:07 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: KR> Rear Starter To: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" , "KR builders and pilots" Message-ID: <410-22005941516397703@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Just to set the record straight, I removed the rear starter from my engine because of a decision I made sometime after Mark Langfords crank broke. There was some talk that the rear starter may have played a role in the breakage due to the harmonics. That has been dispelled as a contributing factor now but during that time I made the decision to make my engine as close as possible a William Wynne duplicate so I ordered William's front starter setup. I talked to William and he told me that he did not think that the rear starter was not a contributor to the breakage and gave me the opportunity to cancel my order. My answer was that I had made the decision and I'm standing by it. An expensive decision, yes, but who knows more about making a Corvair fly than William. I'm still thinking about nitrating the crank. BTY, that starter has started my engine on William's test stand at CC#8. Jack Cooper kr2cooper@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:37:40 -0600 From: "Buck Wells" Subject: KR> fairbanks moris mag To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed hi kr-netters i have a question for the tech minded, does anyone have any experience running a fairbanks morris mag on their vw based motors versis the lick mag , any advice would be appreciated thanks buck in wyo _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:49:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott William Subject: Re: KR> fairbanks moris mag To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050915204917.13892.qmail@web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Call these guys...they know thier stuff. Don't let the motorcycle website fool you. http://www.morrismagneto.com/ Scott --- Buck Wells wrote: > hi kr-netters > i have a question for the tech minded, does anyone > have any experience > running a fairbanks morris mag on their vw based > motors versis the lick mag > , any advice would be appreciated > > > thanks > > > buck in wyo > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! > Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:44:54 -0400 From: Steven Phillabaum Subject: Re: Re: KR> 22 oz tri-ply cloth. Can't find To: KRnet Message-ID: <49jvrm$5srr5f@mxip30a.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Ken I missed that in the Wicks catalog. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++> > From: "Kenneth B. Jones" > Subject: Re: KR> 22 oz tri-ply cloth. Can't find > > Wicks has it. P/N TRI-X22, $15.31/yard > > Ken Jones +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steven Phillabaum KR2S; 5048; corvair; Auburn, Alabama ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:22:36 -0600 From: "Buck Wells" Subject: Re: KR> fairbanks moris mag To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed hi scott thanks for the quick responce, i was trying to post this on the net but altho i can rebuild a engine with my eyes closed i cant seem to run a computer lol i am familiar with the mag on the harley and triumph as well as i am a certified h-d mech. but am unfamiliar with any aircraft use of this fairbanks moris application for an aircraft such as the kr2, i am in the process of gathering variouse components so i can begin the build of my plane this winter and just need some one who has maybe run one on his plane to shoot a few questions at. well i may try to figure out what i am doing wrong on my end so i can get a post to get on the net wish me luck buck >From: Scott William >Reply-To: KRnet >To: KRnet >Subject: Re: KR> fairbanks moris mag >Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:49:17 -0700 (PDT) > >Call these guys...they know thier stuff. Don't let >the motorcycle website fool you. > >http://www.morrismagneto.com/ > > >Scott > >--- Buck Wells wrote: > > > hi kr-netters > > i have a question for the tech minded, does anyone > > have any experience > > running a fairbanks morris mag on their vw based > > motor > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! > > Download today - it's FREE! > > >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at > > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:50:45 -0500 From: Bart Ferguson Subject: KR> Basic Corvair Question To: KRnet Message-ID: <432A3304.66A8@houston.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello, Please forgive any naive tone I may have but the Corsa engine is or is not the proper block for conversion for aircraft useage? I've located one (whole vehicle) and will be ordering WW's manual Saturday regardless, but was curious of the potential this car presents beyond face value. Great to hear about the gathering going well, insperation as always. Fingers crossed on plans and spruce before the year is out, I'll go back to reading and learning now, thanks for any pointers. B. Ferguson Houston, TX ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:59:34 EDT From: IFLYKRS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Work Bench To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Steve - dont worry about getting a WEB site up and running - YOU have and AIRPLANE to BUILD and FLY! Do the web thing later and show where you are going and have been. I still havent done one but have 290 hours on 41768 this year! Having FUN! I hope to visit soon - Bill ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 365 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================