From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 366 Date: 9/16/2005 5:35:13 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. KR-1 Plans needed (The Strattons) 2. Re: KR-1 Plans needed (Cris.) 3. R?f. : KR> Basic Corvair Question (Serge VIDAL) 4. Corvair Question (Frank Ross) 5. Re: Basic Corvair Question (Frank Ross) 6. R?f. : KR> Corvair Question (Serge VIDAL) 7. Re: KR-1 Plans needed (patrusso) 8. Re: KR-1 Plans needed (larry flesner) 9. Re: KR-1 Plans needed (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 10. Drilling the WAFS (Serge VIDAL) 11. RE: KR-1 Plans needed (Steve Glover) 12. Re: KR-1 Plans needed (3343V) 13. Jeannette (Al Friesen) 14. Diehl Legs (Scott William) 15. How to widen and KR2 (L. D. Mueller) 16. Re: How to widen and KR2 (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 17. Re: How to widen and KR2 (patrusso) 18. Re: How to widen and KR2 (JAMES FERRIS) 19. Re: How to widen and KR2 (Mark Jones) 20. Re: How to widen and KR2 (L. D. Mueller) 21. RE: How to widen and KR2 (Jim Mullen) 22. Re: How to widen and KR2 (Robert L. Stone) 23. Re: How to widen and KR2 (M & C) 24. Re: How to widen and KR2 (Orma) 25. Re: R?f. : RE: R?f. : KR> RE: Dual Ignition Systems, it Saved My Bacon - CORRECTION (Robert Morrissey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:12:18 -0700 From: "The Strattons" Subject: KR> KR-1 Plans needed To: Message-ID: <001301c5ba74$d597df80$01a5a541@VILLAROSA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello out there! I would like to borrow/buy a set of plans for a KR-1. No one ever seems to be at Rand, and I have left messages requesting info, to no avail. Thanks, Adam ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:38:22 +0200 From: "Cris." Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Plans needed To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Good luck, so did I, before buying second (or third?) hand :-) C. 2005/9/16, The Strattons : > > Hello out there! > > I would like to borrow/buy a set of plans for a KR-1. No one ever > seems to > be at Rand, and I have left messages requesting info, to no avail. > > Thanks, > Adam > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Land the airplane, rubber side down, main wheels first. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:16:17 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : KR> Basic Corvair Question To: gsxrboy@houston.rr.com, KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi. If your are talking about an Opel Corsa, it is definitely the wrong engine! What you are looking at is a Chevrolet Corvair. Serge Vidal KR2 Kilimanjaro Cloud Paris, France Bart Ferguson Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem.com@mylist.net 2005-09-16 04:50 Veuillez répondre à gsxrboy; Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-09-16 04:50 Pour : KRnet cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Basic Corvair Question Hello, Please forgive any naive tone I may have but the Corsa engine is or is not the proper block for conversion for aircraft useage? I've located one (whole vehicle) and will be ordering WW's manual Saturday regardless, but was curious of the potential this car presents beyond face value. Great to hear about the gathering going well, insperation as always. Fingers crossed on plans and spruce before the year is out, I'll go back to reading and learning now, thanks for any pointers. B. Ferguson Houston, TX _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 01:47:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Ross Subject: KR> Corvair Question To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050916084756.54804.qmail@web32007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 It's probably okay, Serge. Corvair did have a Corsa model, if memory serves me right. Being in England for a few years, I see so many cars you'll never see in the US sharing names of cars that are sold in the US. Can be confusing. Frank --- Serge VIDAL wrote: > Hi. > > If your are talking about an Opel Corsa, it is > definitely the wrong > engine! > > What you are looking at is a Chevrolet Corvair. > > Serge Vidal > KR2 Kilimanjaro Cloud > Paris, France Frank Ross, EAA Chapter 35, San Geronimo, TX RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK Visit my photo album at: http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2 __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 01:52:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Basic Corvair Question To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050916085216.56474.qmail@web32012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Bart, In case you don't have it, go to: http://www.corvaircraft.com/ and look at the links on how to know if you've got the right engine/heads. Frank Frank Ross, EAA Chapter 35, San Geronimo, TX RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK Visit my photo album at: http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2 __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:55:27 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : KR> Corvair Question To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I thought it might be something like that. Mind you, there is one aircraft in France flying with an Opel Corsa engine. That's the Dieselis, an experimental using a turbo diesel 1.4 liter engine. Serge Frank Ross Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-09-16 10:47 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-09-16 10:48 Pour : KRnet cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Corvair Question It's probably okay, Serge. Corvair did have a Corsa model, if memory serves me right. Being in England for a few years, I see so many cars you'll never see in the US sharing names of cars that are sold in the US. Can be confusing. Frank --- Serge VIDAL wrote: > Hi. > > If your are talking about an Opel Corsa, it is > definitely the wrong > engine! > > What you are looking at is a Chevrolet Corvair. > > Serge Vidal > KR2 Kilimanjaro Cloud > Paris, France Frank Ross, EAA Chapter 35, San Geronimo, TX RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK Visit my photo album at: http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2 __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 05:59:09 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Plans needed To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002b01c5baa5$48e5b130$67a772d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original A Have you considered a KR2 narrowed down to a single seat. I did that and love the extra room.....or even the KR2S Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Strattons" To: Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 12:12 AM Subject: KR> KR-1 Plans needed > Hello out there! > > I would like to borrow/buy a set of plans for a KR-1. No one ever seems > to be at Rand, and I have left messages requesting info, to no avail. > > Thanks, > Adam > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:17:38 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Plans needed To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050916071738.007986d0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I would like to borrow/buy a set of plans for a KR-1. No one ever seems to be at Rand, and I have left messages requesting info, to no avail. >Adam >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jeanette may have been gone for the past week or so attending the Gathering. She has family in the southern Illinois area and probably extended her visit beyond the few days of the Gathering. I'm guessing she will be home soon, if not already. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:46:33 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Plans needed To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050916.085024.3244.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Did you leave a return phone number so she can call back, Virg Try the FAX. On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:12:18 -0700 "The Strattons" writes: > Hello out there! > > I would like to borrow/buy a set of plans for a KR-1. No one ever > seems to be at Rand, and I have left messages requesting info, to no > avail. > > Thanks, > Adam > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:02:26 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: KR> Drilling the WAFS To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As part of the rebuilding effort on my KR2, I decided to rebuild 4 of the front WAFs. Two because they have an oversize hole at the WAF-to-WAF junction, and being a former Army officer, I like uniformity. Two because they have been shortened a bit to accomodate the long range fuel tanls in the wing roots, and I have the same prejudice. Anyway, since the holes in the spars are already made, I had little choice but to replicate the holes from the previous WAFs. Then came the surprise. The previous WAFs were slightly oversize in width, and my 4130 steel strips (bought from Aircraft Spruce) are slightly undersized in width. Result: the bolt holes are now pretty close from the sides, leaving only a thin wall. Not looking too nice. Beware, then, if you make your WAFs yourself. Check the tolerances on the sides before you drill. Serge Vidak KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:28:17 -0700 From: "Steve Glover" Subject: RE: KR> KR-1 Plans needed To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c5baca$e13fc4a0$9865fea9@IntelliSpec> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have never had a problem getting a hold of Jeanette. She is in the office mid mornings for a few hours to do paperwork, I don't remember if it is every day or not. I think it is at least Mon, Wed, Fri. She will call back but can't always contact the person leaving the message either. Make sure you leave your phone number and what you want clearly on the machine. Regards, Steve Glover KR-2 N902G AJO, Ca -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of The Strattons Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:12 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> KR-1 Plans needed Hello out there! I would like to borrow/buy a set of plans for a KR-1. No one ever seems to be at Rand, and I have left messages requesting info, to no avail. Thanks, Adam _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:06:29 -0500 From: "3343V" <3343v@swbell.net> Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Plans needed To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <00d001c5bad8$9d9b7380$6900a8c0@Katana> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Cris. wrote: > Good luck, so did I, before buying second (or third?) hand :-) C. I sent a check and got plans about 6 weeks later. -- Steve 3343v@swbell.net N3343V- '75 C150M N205FT- KR1 #6170 He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:52:22 -0800 From: "Al Friesen" Subject: KR> Jeannette To: Message-ID: <002b01c5baef$c5853a40$e4e5d8cf@alk1e9f7i3pcg3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jeannette was good enought to sent me a copy of the first builders signed agreement for plans sale. Which they want at the US customs if I sell to a US buyer. Al ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:51:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott William Subject: KR> Diehl Legs To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050916195148.41160.qmail@web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Anybody have dimensions for the diel gear legs? I know Mark had said they were a bit too short for his application. Maybe even a life sized template that is scanned? Thank you for all your help Scott __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:23:21 -0500 From: "L. D. Mueller" Subject: KR> How to widen and KR2 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008f01c5bafc$7cdde910$6500a8c0@LDM0D330DFBAF> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Help! I just bought the KR2S that was on Barnstormers in Sparta MI. The cabin width is 32"? The plane is at the boat stage with both spars in place. Any ideas of widening this fuse so my wife and I can fly together--without a complete rebuild? We would need 38" to be comfortable. Or should I put it up for sale . . . ; - ) And thanks for all the hospitality @ KMVN. We enjoyed all of it--Nancy especially enjoyed the rides and flying that she got. Larry and Nancy Mueller L. D. Mueller 521 North Madison Street Cuba City, WI 53807 608-744-3333 ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:53:40 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> How to widen and KR2 To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050916.165406.880.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Plain and simple, NOPE Virg On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:23:21 -0500 "L. D. Mueller" writes: > Help! I just bought the KR2S that was on Barnstormers in Sparta MI. > The > cabin width is 32"? The plane is at the boat stage with both spars > in place. > Any ideas of widening this fuse so my wife and I can fly > together--without a > complete rebuild? We would need 38" to be comfortable. Or should I > put it up > for sale . . . ; - ) > > And thanks for all the hospitality @ KMVN. We enjoyed all of > it--Nancy > especially enjoyed the rides and flying that she got. > > Larry and Nancy Mueller > > > L. D. Mueller > 521 North Madison Street > Cuba City, WI 53807 > 608-744-3333 > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:59:46 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> How to widen and KR2 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001401c5bb01$9231dd30$87a672d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Larry That's a tough one. I think you are better off starting over. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. D. Mueller" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 4:23 PM Subject: KR> How to widen and KR2 > Help! I just bought the KR2S that was on Barnstormers in Sparta MI. > The cabin width is 32"? The plane is at the boat stage with both spars > in place. Any ideas of widening this fuse so my wife and I can fly > together--without a > complete rebuild? We would need 38" to be comfortable. Or should I put it > up > for sale . . . ; - ) > > And thanks for all the hospitality @ KMVN. We enjoyed all of it--Nancy > especially enjoyed the rides and flying that she got. > > Larry and Nancy Mueller > > > L. D. Mueller > 521 North Madison Street > Cuba City, WI 53807 > 608-744-3333 > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 17:29:19 -0400 From: JAMES FERRIS Subject: Re: KR> How to widen and KR2 To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050917.172919.336.0.mijnil@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Some sailplanes have been built with off-set seats, not side by side and not tandem, the second seat is set back about a foot and over to the side as much as you can so that the shoulders of the guy in front may be in line with the knees of the othe guy. Take a look at it, it may work? sincerely Jim ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:58:49 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> How to widen and KR2 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000f01c5bb09$d1d31aa0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If the boat is built, it would be a real task to widen the fuselage. Have you contacted Joe Weber? He lives in Cuba City and has a KR. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. D. Mueller" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 3:23 PM Subject: KR> How to widen and KR2 > Help! I just bought the KR2S that was on Barnstormers in Sparta MI. > The cabin width is 32"? The plane is at the boat stage with both spars > in place. > Any ideas of widening this fuse so my wife and I can fly > together--without a > complete rebuild? We would need 38" to be comfortable. Or should I put > it up > for sale . . . ; - ) > > And thanks for all the hospitality @ KMVN. We enjoyed all of it--Nancy > especially enjoyed the rides and flying that she got. > > Larry and Nancy Mueller > > > L. D. Mueller > 521 North Madison Street > Cuba City, WI 53807 > 608-744-3333 > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:04:02 -0500 From: "L. D. Mueller" Subject: Re: KR> How to widen and KR2 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00ba01c5bb0a$8d066200$6500a8c0@LDM0D330DFBAF> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I'll be talking with Joe Weber yet tonight--he's a friend of mine. More ideas anyone? L. D. Mueller 521 North Madison Street Cuba City, WI 53807 608-744-3333 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 4:58 PM Subject: Re: KR> How to widen and KR2 > If the boat is built, it would be a real task to widen the fuselage. > Have you contacted Joe Weber? He lives in Cuba City and has a KR. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L. D. Mueller" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 3:23 PM > Subject: KR> How to widen and KR2 > > >> Help! I just bought the KR2S that was on Barnstormers in Sparta MI. >> The cabin width is 32"? The plane is at the boat stage with both >> spars in > place. >> Any ideas of widening this fuse so my wife and I can fly >> together--without > a >> complete rebuild? We would need 38" to be comfortable. Or should I >> put it > up >> for sale . . . ; - ) >> >> And thanks for all the hospitality @ KMVN. We enjoyed all of >> it--Nancy especially enjoyed the rides and flying that she got. >> >> Larry and Nancy Mueller >> >> >> L. D. Mueller >> 521 North Madison Street >> Cuba City, WI 53807 >> 608-744-3333 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:15:34 -0700 From: Jim Mullen Subject: RE: KR> How to widen and KR2 To: 'KRnet' Message-ID: <63549084DDF79945895C381C8A004272029540@webmaster.tyeeair> Content-Type: text/plain I for one am planning to offset the seat backs and have mocked up the seating arrangement in the boat, the plan is to make the Pilot side suite my body, 6'1" 185 pounds and make the seat back for the co-pilot (passenger side) adjustable up to 6 inches or so at the shoulders. Just enough to get the shoulders offset, this puts your passenger sitting up straighter and therefore limits the ability to travel with another 6 foot person. Jim Mullen KR2S Everett Washington -----Original Message----- From: L. D. Mueller [mailto:LMUELLER@MHTC.NET] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 2:04 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> How to widen and KR2 I'll be talking with Joe Weber yet tonight--he's a friend of mine. More ideas anyone? L. D. Mueller 521 North Madison Street Cuba City, WI 53807 608-744-3333 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 4:58 PM Subject: Re: KR> How to widen and KR2 > If the boat is built, it would be a real task to widen the fuselage. > Have you contacted Joe Weber? He lives in Cuba City and has a KR. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L. D. Mueller" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 3:23 PM > Subject: KR> How to widen and KR2 > > >> Help! I just bought the KR2S that was on Barnstormers in Sparta MI. >> The cabin width is 32"? The plane is at the boat stage with both >> spars in > place. >> Any ideas of widening this fuse so my wife and I can fly >> together--without > a >> complete rebuild? We would need 38" to be comfortable. Or should I >> put it > up >> for sale . . . ; - ) >> >> And thanks for all the hospitality @ KMVN. We enjoyed all of >> it--Nancy especially enjoyed the rides and flying that she got. >> >> Larry and Nancy Mueller >> >> >> L. D. Mueller >> 521 North Madison Street >> Cuba City, WI 53807 >> 608-744-3333 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:17:41 -0500 From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: KR> How to widen and KR2 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000501c5bb14$d65f3170$5d817646@yourat5qgaac3z> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Larry, I remember someone talking on the net about building a KR2S as a very roomy single place. Fridays are the day of the week when members of the KRNet are allowed to place adds. I would advertise this KR2S as being started as a single place and be sure to put in the width of the cockpit along with how far along construction is and also the quality of workmanship. Someone is going to see your add that has plans to build a single place KR2S and realize that he/she can save themselves a lot of time, work, and money. There are many builders who look for a started aircraft to build for these reasons. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstosne4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. D. Mueller" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 3:23 PM Subject: KR> How to widen and KR2 > Help! I just bought the KR2S that was on Barnstormers in Sparta MI. > The cabin width is 32"? The plane is at the boat stage with both spars > in place. Any ideas of widening this fuse so my wife and I can fly > together--without a > complete rebuild? We would need 38" to be comfortable. Or should I put it > up > for sale . . . ; - ) > > And thanks for all the hospitality @ KMVN. We enjoyed all of it--Nancy > especially enjoyed the rides and flying that she got. > > Larry and Nancy Mueller > > > L. D. Mueller > 521 North Madison Street > Cuba City, WI 53807 > 608-744-3333 > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:28:51 -0500 From: "M & C" Subject: Re: KR> How to widen and KR2 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Larry, I did widen mine after the boat but I would not recomend it. It is a difficult proceedure and would have been much faster to just start over. I needed the room at the shoulders so I cut out the top logerons from just behind the fore spar to just in front of the rear spar and down to the top of the top wing surface at the stub wings where they meet the fuslage sides. I then added 2 extra top longerons outside where the old ones were cut out. Then added vertical and truss members back to regain the necessary structural strength. Then re skinned the new sides and blended with the existing sides fore and aft. This alowed me to put in arm rests on the sides and give the pilot and passenger more elbow and shoulder room. I have to say I like the way it is turning out but this is major surgery and adds extra weight to the finnished product. There is no change to the width at the bottom of the boat. Your results may vary Proceed at your own risk !!! Mike Turner Jackson, Missouri Swing the prop and light the fire, dance amoung the stars.........N642MC ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. D. Mueller" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: KR> How to widen and KR2 > I'll be talking with Joe Weber yet tonight--he's a friend of mine. > > More ideas anyone? > > L. D. Mueller > 521 North Madison Street > Cuba City, WI 53807 > 608-744-3333 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 4:58 PM > Subject: Re: KR> How to widen and KR2 > > >> If the boat is built, it would be a real task to widen the fuselage. >> Have you contacted Joe Weber? He lives in Cuba City and has a KR. >> >> Mark Jones (N886MJ) >> Wales, WI USA >> E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com >> Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at >> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "L. D. Mueller" >> To: "KRnet" >> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 3:23 PM >> Subject: KR> How to widen and KR2 >> >> >>> . >>> Any ideas of widening this fuse so my wife and I can fly >>> together--without >> a >>> complete rebuild? We would need 38" to be comfortable. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> Search the KRnet Archives at >>> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >>> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >>> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> >> > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:19:50 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> How to widen and KR2 To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <030e01c5bb1d$86479110$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original If you don't already have pictures of the mod on he net, you should do so. There might be others who are interested. What do you plan to do with the canopy? Orma Southfield, MI KR-2 N110LR 1984 See Tweety at http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com See other KR spces at www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/krinfo.htm ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:37:10 -0400 From: "Robert Morrissey" Subject: Re: R?f. : RE: R?f. : KR> RE: Dual Ignition Systems, it Saved My Bacon - CORRECTION To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00a201c5bb1f$f13fd5c0$6502a8c0@com.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Serge: As a former "Liaison Engineer' for a big aerospace company that was bought out by Boeing I will give you the SOP (standard operating procedure) for your aircrafts 'non conformance' that occurred during 'manufacturing' or 'depot level overhaul". (My text book answer) FOR THE; a. original WAFs with the oversize 3/8 inch hole---are they a standard oversize? Let us assume they are not a standard size. Looking at FWD WING ATTACH FITTINGS, drawing no. 18 in my RR book pg.23 dated january 1990 the WAF is 1 1/2 inch wide and has a 3/8 dia. hole drilled 3/4 inch from the end. In my working days I would go to a stress engineer, show him the part drawing, identify the 3/8 hole is oversize and tell him what my method of repair was to be. The stress engineer typically went to his books and evaluated the over size hole condition as a 'lug analysis' with reduced edge distance (tear out) and 100% of the time went along with the installation of a larger diameter fastener. For really critical lugs, with really screwed up damage, I actually had inspection record the tear out as well as the actual part thickness and provided this data to the stress engineer. The hole could be drilled to an oversize such as 1/64 oversize, 1/32 oversize or even a next full size standard size as was required by the part condition.. Any hole increased in size must have the same fastener/hole assembly tolerances as the rest of the WAFs. If there was a possibility of the oversize bolt being removed in the future the area was marked to denote the hole and special size fastener. For those parts that would undergo constant bolt removal and replacement then a minimum 0.016 inch wall thickness bushing would be pressed fit into the discrepant part. The bushing would have a 0.0005 to 0.001 inch press fit and be of the same material. This would bring the discrepant part back to blueprint. b. for your new WAFS-- my drawing referenced above shows a series of 3/16 inch diameter holes located 1/4 inch from the long edge of the part. If I take half of the 3/16 inch and subtract it from the 1/4 inch we have 5/32 (0.0156inch) of an inch for tear out. That is not much edge distance. As an intelligent guess, if you are looking at tear out of less than 0.140 inch I would not use them. I am going to ignore the fact that the WAF drawings used are not to aircraft standards. I have never seen fractions used on such a critical machined part. Standard sheet metal tolerances are +- 0.030 inch. Can you see what would happen on the WAF if that tolerance was used indiscriminately during manufacture? How about checking your WAF holes to see what kind of assembly tolerance your fittings have. I never did get involved in reliability engineering during my work career but I do love redundancy. I hope the above info gives you a feel for what you have on your hands Do you have any friends that are stress engineers that you can pass this by? Regards Bob Morrissey, New Bern NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge VIDAL" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 5:16 AM Subject: Réf. : RE: Réf. : KR> RE: Dual Ignition Systems, it Saved My Bacon - CORRECTION Well, as a former reliability expert, I can give you the text book answer: - Reliability is risk management; - The universally accepted method of managing that risk is what gives birth to aircraft safety standards; - The authorities (like ICAO) are supposed to define what is your acceptable level of risk for the activity (roughly, basically, deaths per X flight hours). - At designer level, you then find what is likely to cause these risks, and define "unwanted events" (example: power loss, flight controls failure, etc.) - If failure of one component that is likely to cause an unwanted event is so unlikely that it is less than the acceptable risk level, then you don't have to do anything about it. You assess that by estimating the probability of failure (occurrence) and its consequences (severity), to define the level of CRITICITY. A part can be non critical because it is so unlikely to fail, or because .. If it is not the case, then you have to improve the reliability. You have many ways to do that, (can be better technology, better part design, monitoring, maintenance, you name it.). Of course, one method is redundancy. It is seldom the correct answer, but it is generally the easiest, and that's why it is so popular in aviation. Now, this is the rule for expensive designs (airliners, jet fighters, nuclear power plants, space shuttles or whatever). In general aviation, the trouble is it is not affordable to calculate exactly all the risks attached to all the parts and equipment. So, we apply a rule of thumb, which is: no single failure may lead to an unwanted event. That is what you do with your ignition or fuel system. But we also apply criticity, through return of experience of 100 years of designing and flying. We know that single engine is an acceptable solution, so we don't make the engine redundant. But we make the engine's most critical components redundant. The ignition, but not the carb... Likewise, we know that control cables are unlikely to fail, provided you rig them properly and inspect them regularly, so we don't make them redundant either. In my opinion, the statistics of engine failure in aviation are an absolute shame, and the ignition is the main culprit. So, I go for a better technology, and ultimately, as soon as it will become practical, I will go for an engine technology without ignition: the Diesel engine. Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, FranceSent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:13 AM To: Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft Subject: Re: CorvAircraft> Dual Ignition Systems, it Saved My Bacon ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 366 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================