From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 371 Date: 9/19/2005 3:38:02 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Nose Gear question (Robert L. Stone) 2. Nose Gear question (Steve Jacobs) 3. Re: Nose Gear question (jeffyork40@qx.net) 4. RE: Nose Gear question (Mark Jones) 5. RE: Nose Gear question (Jack Cooper) 6. Re: Nose Gear question (Bob Glidden) 7. Re: Nose Gear question and funny pokes and jabs (jeffyork40@qx.net) 8. Re: Nose Gear question and funny pokes and jabs (wilder_jeff Wilder) 9. Re: building fibreglass geer legs. (billstarrs@peoplepc.com) 10. Re: Nose Gear question and funny pokes and jabs (Al Friesen) 11. Re: Nose Gear question (DENE COLLETT (SA)) 12. Shimmy (Orma) 13. Re: Nose Gear question (patrusso) 14. Re: Nose Gear question (patrusso) 15. Re: Serge's WAF's (Phil Matheson) 16. Re: Nose Gear question (Phil Matheson) 17. Re: Widening the boat joy stisk control (Phil Matheson) 18. Re: Nose Gear question (Phil Matheson) 19. Re: Widening the boat joy stisk control (Orma) 20. Re: Nose Gear question (Robert L. Stone) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:12:35 -0500 From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000501c5bd3d$562be860$5d817646@yourat5qgaac3z> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Jeff, I have the same problem with my spam can (Cessna 152). If I taxi too fast the nose wheel will start to shimmy and I have to come to an almost complete stop to get it to track straight. If I taxi reasonable slow like maybe ten miles an hour, I have no problem. On landing and take off, I keep the nose wheel of the runway as well as I can until the speed is enough for take off or when landing I keep the yoke back as long as I can so I am slowed down before the nose wheel touches. My aircraft is equipped with a shimmy dampener and as far as I can see nothing is wrong with it. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 8:30 AM Subject: KR> Nose Gear question > OK, So I may not supply quite enough info for a complete evaluation > but, I > am going to try and get your alls advise. > > Yesterday when I went to rotate to take off, just at or before the > nose > gear lifted, I felt a pretty significant shimmy in the nose gear. The nose > came up and the airplane lifted off. I decided to pull the power and set > back down. I pulled the power, let the plane sit back down and upon the > nose gear touch down, the shimmy came back but much worse. I was actually > wondering if it was the nose wheel or something significantly out of > balance with the engine. > I never really looked at the air speed indicator but I looked at the tach > and noticed that I still had 2200 RPM and was having a difficult time > getting the RPM's to come down. I have the vernier ( screw in and out ) > type throttle so I began back screwing the throttle. Everything finally > slowed down and I taxied off and back to my hanger. > > Upon inspection of the nose wheel it appears that the bolt that > appears to > hold the little coil spring posts centered, has bent. Or maybe it was bent > before I started. I also want to point out that the free castering nose > wheel self centers when you lift up on the front end, a test I was told > indicates that you have the right tension and such on the nose wheel. In > testing a couple of them at the gathering, I noticed they did not self > center and those owners indicated they had no shimmy issues. By the way > that information was not meant as any criticism of anyone else's KR. I > just wanted to compare my nose gear adjustment to others while there. > > Here is my question. Did I let the nose gear touch down with to much > speed > thus precipitating the shimmy? Did I do a poor preflight and this > centering bolt was already bent ( Slightly, spring still looks to still be > contained ) ? > > Is it possible that I let the plane stay planted to long and had to > mush > speed before I pulled the nose wheel come up? Thus precipitated the whole > thing. Maybe I need to look at the nose gear at the point of the engine > mount / fire wall? > > Your thoughts experiences? > > Jeff York > KR-2 Flying > N839BG > Home page http//:web.qx.net/jeffyork40/ > My KR-2 http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/Airplane/ to see my KR-2 > Email jeffyork40@qx.net > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:37:42 -0700 From: "Steve Jacobs" Subject: KR> Nose Gear question To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c5bd94$a92bda00$1f64a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On landing and take off, I keep the nose wheel of the runway as well as I can +++++++++++ For what it is worth - I experienced some serious shimmy just before rotation on a C 206 that I fly regularly - I complained to the A&P, but he could not find anything wrong. Then I had the same problem on a totally different airplane (C 210) - really bad, also just before rotation. I had a chat to the regular pilot and he never had any problems - clearly I was goofing something, so I took a check ride with a buddy. Short story is that this Piper driver was responding to the normal (nose-high) stance of the Cessna's by subconsciously holding down stick and placing increasing pressure on the nose wheel. Did a few with the trim set right and neutral stick - no more shimmy. Like I said, for what it is worth. (Best solution: Dump the training gear) Steve Jacobs Zambia ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:52:26 -0400 From: Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <0c4401c5bd4b$5a6f5610$6864a8c0@server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Bob, I am going to check tire pressure and the Diehl gear at the attach point. It just about has to be one of those 2 items as I had not noticed this problem before so something has changed. Jeff York KR-2 Flying N839BG Home page http//:web.qx.net/jeffyork40/ My KR-2 http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/Airplane/ to see my KR-2 Email jeffyork40@qx.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Stone" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 1:12 PM Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question > Jeff, > I have the same problem with my spam can (Cessna 152). If I taxi > too fast the nose wheel will start to shimmy and I have to come to an > almost complete stop to get it to track straight. If I taxi > reasonable slow like maybe ten miles an hour, I have no problem. On > landing and take off, I keep > the nose wheel of the runway as well as I can until the speed is > enough for > take off or when landing I keep the yoke back as long as I can so I am > slowed down before the nose wheel touches. My aircraft is equipped > with a shimmy dampener and as far as I can see nothing is wrong with > it. > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > rstone4@hot.rr.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 8:30 AM > Subject: KR> Nose Gear question > > > > OK, So I may not supply quite enough info for a complete evaluation > > but, I > > am going to try and get your alls advise. > > > > Yesterday when I went to rotate to take off, just at or before the > > nose gear lifted, I felt a pretty significant shimmy in the nose > > gear. The nose > > came up and the airplane lifted off. I decided to pull the power and > > set back down. I pulled the power, let the plane sit back down and > > upon the nose gear touch down, the shimmy came back but much worse. > > I was actually > > wondering if it was the nose wheel or something significantly out of > > balance with the engine. I never really looked at the air speed > > indicator but I looked at the tach > > and noticed that I still had 2200 RPM and was having a difficult > > time getting the RPM's to come down. I have the vernier ( screw in > > and out ) type throttle so I began back screwing the throttle. > > Everything finally slowed down and I taxied off and back to my > > hanger. > > > > Upon inspection of the nose wheel it appears that the bolt that > > appears to > > hold the little coil spring posts centered, has bent. Or maybe it > > was bent > > before I started. I also want to point out that the free castering > > nose wheel self centers when you lift up on the front end, a test I > > was told indicates that you have the right tension and such on the > > nose wheel. In testing a couple of them at the gathering, I noticed > > they did not self center and those owners indicated they had no > > shimmy issues. By the way that information was not meant as any > > criticism of anyone else's KR. I just wanted to compare my nose gear > > adjustment to others while there. > > > > Here is my question. Did I let the nose gear touch down with to much speed > > thus precipitating the shimmy? Did I do a poor preflight and this > > centering bolt was already bent ( Slightly, spring still looks to > > still be > > contained ) ? > > > > Is it possible that I let the plane stay planted to long and had to > > mush speed before I pulled the nose wheel come up? Thus precipitated > > the whole > > thing. Maybe I need to look at the nose gear at the point of the > > engine mount / fire wall? > > > > Your thoughts experiences? > > > > Jeff York > > KR-2 Flying > > N839BG > > Home page http//:web.qx.net/jeffyork40/ > > My KR-2 http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/Airplane/ to see my KR-2 > > Email jeffyork40@qx.net > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:06:59 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F357C44CD@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Steve, I resent that comment about the training gear. Let me tell you what my Dad once told me when I was a little boy and would put off doing things....and I quote "Son, there are a lot of things in life we do not want to do and will put them off. Now quit dragging your tail and get it done." I have not dragged my tail since. Oh yea and just a little note...when I returned from the 2005 KR Gathering, my hanger mate right next to me who has an Avid tail dragger lost it on landing the day before I returned and totaled his plane. He has two destroyed wings, a bent fuselage and a shattered ego. He is a very experienced tail dragger pilot who now wishes he had installed a nose gear. To each his own, they are all beautiful flying machines and each takes special skills to master. :-) -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Steve Jacobs ... no more shimmy.Like I said, for what it is worth. (Best solution: Dump the training gear) Steve Jacobs Zambia _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:33:57 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220059119193357671@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > (Best solution: Dump the training gear) > > Steve Jacobs > Zambia Yeah, right, - Trade the shimmy for a ground loop. Go ahead, flame me Jack Cooper > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:00:14 -0500 From: "Bob Glidden" Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001d01c5bd54$c066c3f0$6401a8c0@ADMINISTRATOR> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original You need to get your dampner replaced,or atleast checked you can't look at them and tell if they are bad.And Cessna 152's dampners go out often... Bob Glidden Eminence,Indiana KR2S N181FW (building) Corvair 110 glidden@ccrtc.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:08:01 -0400 From: Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question and funny pokes and jabs To: , "KRnet" Message-ID: <0c5e01c5bd55$e87db730$6864a8c0@server> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You guys are funny. On a day when I need lifting up, I can get a kick out of the funny little jabs you guys poke at one another. One week ago today, I got out sourced. Just 6 months ago I accepted the job as IT Director and was tasked to straighten up their network and relocate it to their new headquarters. A pretty significate task . So all is complete now, network upgrades complete. So now my employer kicks me to the curb. Or a positive way to look it is, I WORKED MYSELF OUT OF JOB! My employer now believes that the position is part time with no benefits. I seen this happen to my dad and I remember years ago when just about every male over 40 at my church got let go at Magnavox Government Electronics. I guess the business mind set hasn't changed in all these years. Why pay good wages to someone over 40 when you can buy to 20 something's for less then half and give them no benefits. No offense meant to the 20 somethings, I used to be one and worked hard to get up to the decsant pay scale I attained. So much for hard work, experience and dedication. So therefore, I thought the rule was you reaped what you sowed. That's what my father taught me. Call me naive or stupid and over 40. OK, so I am crying in my milk, or beer, or whatever. Keep up the funny jabs and pokes as long as it's meant for fun. I need a good laugh. Ok monitor, I got way off the KR subject on this one and I probably should not have sent it. Jeff York KR-2 Flying N839BG Home page http//:web.qx.net/jeffyork40/ My KR-2 http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/Airplane/ to see my KR-2 Email jeffyork40@qx.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Cooper" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 3:33 PM Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question > > (Best solution: Dump the training gear) > > > > Steve Jacobs > > Zambia > Yeah, right, - Trade the shimmy for a ground loop. > > Go ahead, flame me > > Jack Cooper > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:12:57 -0600 From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question and funny pokes and jabs To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Great looking plane!. I just wanted to say... sorry about the luck... this in the end could turn out to be a good thing 2002 I went through the same thing.... was hired on another company after 5 months of looking and was able to get pulled into the security industry. I might suggest you look at the IT security field... pays well and LOTS of work. -Jeff Wilder CISSP,ISSMP, ISSAP,Security+,TICSA,MCP,I-net+,CCE,C/EH -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GIT/CM/CS/O d- s:+ a C+++ UH++ P L++ E- w-- N+++ o-- K- w O- M-- V-- PS+ PE- Y++ PGP++ t+ 5- X-- R* tv b++ DI++ D++ G e* h--- r- y+++* ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ >From: >Reply-To: KRnet >To: ,"KRnet" >Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question and funny pokes and jabs >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:08:01 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from lizard.esosoft.net ([38.118.200.18]) by >mc4-f35.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:05:21 -0700 >Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lizard.esosoft.net)by >lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43)id 1EHRt0-000IqO-Cf; Mon, 19 Sep >2005 13:05:10 -0700 >Received: from out2.qx.net ([64.191.128.52] helo=prescribe.qx.net)by >lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EHRsy-000IqI-TFfor >krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:05:09 -0700 >Received: from [64.191.174.247] (helo=server)by prescribe.qx.net with smtp >(Exim 4.32)id 1EHQiC-0000cA-RC; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:49:57 -0400 >X-Message-Info: TSNaxu8CDoed/hiclrHLs54Z2Flel2VGJ+bSDm1ZGZ0= >References: <410-220059119193357671@earthlink.net> >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 >X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 >Precedence: list >List-Id: KRnet >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: krnet-bounces@mylist.net >Return-Path: krnet-bounces@mylist.net >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Sep 2005 20:05:22.0056 (UTC) >FILETIME=[77413880:01C5BD55] > >You guys are funny. On a day when I need lifting up, I can get a kick >out >of >the funny little jabs you guys poke at one another. > >One week ago today, I got out sourced. Just 6 months ago I accepted the >job as IT Director and was tasked to straighten up their network and >relocate it to their new headquarters. A pretty significate task . So >all is complete now, network upgrades complete. So now my employer >kicks me to the curb. Or a positive way to look it is, I WORKED MYSELF >OUT OF JOB! My employer now believes that the position is part time >with no benefits. > >I seen this happen to my dad and I remember years ago when just about >every male over 40 at my church got let go at Magnavox Government >Electronics. I guess the business mind set hasn't changed in all these >years. Why pay good wages to someone over 40 when you can buy to 20 >something's for less then half and give them no benefits. No offense >meant to the 20 somethings, I used to be one and worked hard to get up >to the decsant pay scale I attained. So much for hard work, experience >and dedication. So therefore, I thought the rule was you reaped what >you sowed. That's what my father taught me. Call me naive or stupid >and over 40. OK, so I am crying in my milk, or beer, or whatever. > >Keep up the funny jabs and pokes as long as it's meant for fun. I need >a good laugh. > >Ok monitor, I got way off the KR subject on this one and I probably >should not have sent it. > >Jeff York >KR-2 Flying >N839BG >Home page http//:web.qx.net/jeffyork40/ >My KR-2 http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/Airplane/ to see my KR-2 >Email jeffyork40@qx.net > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jack Cooper" >To: "KRnet" >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 3:33 PM >Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question > > > > > (Best solution: Dump the training gear) > > > > > > Steve Jacobs > > > Zambia > > Yeah, right, - Trade the shimmy for a ground loop. > > > > Go ahead, flame me > > > > Jack Cooper > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:12:22 -0600 From: Subject: Re: KR> building fibreglass geer legs. To: "harold woods" , "KRnet" Message-ID: <001001c5bd4e$11a59450$6beaf004@Bill> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thank you very much. Yes I would like a diagram of the box. PTL, Bill Starrs ----- Original Message ----- From: "harold woods" To: Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:42 AM Subject: KR> building fibreglass geer legs. Hi Netters. Steve Phillabaum wanted information on making a fiberglass gear leg. I built my own. I used roving, which is fiberglass string, about the thickness of "butcher string". It came in a spool about a foot in diameter. I decided to build both legs at the same time I built a box form over twice the required gear length. It was about 3 inches wide and 1 inch deep.At each end of the box were rows and rows of nails. At this point I painted the entire inside of the box, nails enclosed with hot melted parafin wax., as a mould release agent.The roving was attached to the first nail strung along the bottom of the box, hooked over a nail at the other end, then strung back to the next nail in line. after the entire bottom of the box was covered with this "string" it was fibreglasses. I used a very slow hardener, Versamid 140. This gave a pot life of about 4 to 6 hours. After the box was full I set a piece of polyethylene over it and planed a closely fitted lid on the box.I squeezed the lid down with clamps starting at the center.This squeezed the excess epoxy out the ends. I removed the lid and plastic and added more layer of roving This was repeated until the box was filled to a depth of 1 inch with compressed roving. The lid was left on until the next day.The gear leg was removed and the wax was washed off with gasoline. I sacrificed an old band saw blade to cut the leg in half. I made this cut at an angle of about 25 degrees.Then back about a foot from where the cut slope begins I cut it off at 90 degrees. The short piece was then epoxied onto the main leg with the two 90 degree cut end together.This gave me a 2 inch thick leer leg which tapered down to 1 inch. The leg was mounted on a suitable aluminum bracket which was bolted to the front of the front spar.The gear leg has only one hole in it where it attaches to the bracket. Aluminum bars bolted to the bracket on the front and back hold the gear leg in firm position. A cover of 3/8" aluminum on top hold everything tight together. the other end of the gear leg has a spring steel plate bolted to it with 4 bolts. It was bent to suitably accept the wheel axel which was then bolted to it. I tested the gear leg by bolting it to a heavy support on one end and affixing a 2 x 2 x 1/8" x 10' angle iron to it. Weights were added and removed, checking to see that the gear returned back to it's original position. The weight was a 150 pound man that walked out on the angle iron. It bend of about 12 inches , the angle iron collapsed where it was bolted to the gear leg. The man was at about 9 feet from the gear leg end when the iron failed. I consider the gear leg good and strong. I subsequently have heard that the rear spring in a Corvette car has a suitable fiberglass spring . This should be investigated. before making your own. If any one wants diagrams of the box I would send it to them as an attachment. Regards Harold Woods Orillia,ON. Canada. haroldwoods@rogers.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:28:55 -0800 From: "Al Friesen" Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question and funny pokes and jabs To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000901c5bd61$23bd8ef0$2ecad8cf@alk1e9f7i3pcg3> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Jeff, Don't feel bad, it is just us old farts (70+) looking back. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; "KRnet" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question and funny pokes and jabs > You guys are funny. On a day when I need lifting up, I can get a kick > out > of > the funny little jabs you guys poke at one another. > > One week ago today, I got out sourced. Just 6 months ago I accepted > the > job > as IT Director and was tasked to straighten up their network and relocate > it to their new headquarters. A pretty significate task . So all is > complete now, network upgrades complete. So now my employer kicks me to > the > curb. Or a positive way to look it is, I WORKED MYSELF OUT OF JOB! My > employer now believes that the position is part time with no benefits. > > I seen this happen to my dad and I remember years ago when just about > every > male over 40 at my church got let go at Magnavox Government Electronics. I > guess the business mind set hasn't changed in all these years. Why pay > good > wages to someone over 40 when you can buy to 20 something's for less then > half and give them no benefits. No offense meant to the 20 somethings, I > used to be one and worked hard to get up to the decsant pay scale I > attained. So much for hard work, experience and dedication. So therefore, > I > thought the rule was you reaped what you sowed. That's what my father > taught > me. Call me naive or stupid and over 40. OK, so I am crying in my milk, > or > beer, or whatever. > > Keep up the funny jabs and pokes as long as it's meant for fun. I need > a good laugh. > > Ok monitor, I got way off the KR subject on this one and I probably > should not have sent it. > > Jeff York > KR-2 Flying > N839BG > Home page http//:web.qx.net/jeffyork40/ > My KR-2 http://web.qx.net/jeffyork40/Airplane/ to see my KR-2 > Email jeffyork40@qx.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Cooper" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 3:33 PM > Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question > > >> > (Best solution: Dump the training gear) >> > >> > Steve Jacobs >> > Zambia >> Yeah, right, - Trade the shimmy for a ground loop. >> >> Go ahead, flame me >> >> Jack Cooper >> > >> > _______________________________________ >> > Search the KRnet Archives at >> > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.3/106 - Release Date: 9/19/2005 > > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:13:08 +0200 From: "DENE COLLETT (SA)" Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <009601c5bd5f$7411e600$b2a6fea9@dene> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As they say, "There are only two types of taildragger pilots, those that have ground looped ond those that are going to in the future" I am sorry but it has taken me ten years of skimping here and there to rake together enough money to get my plane where it is today. I have seen too many reports of guys spending years building their pride and joy only to have it trashed before the first flight due to a ground loop. I will wimp out and fit mine with a "training wheel" but nobody will know anyway. It will be tucked away inside the fuz in flight with the mains. Now I hear someone saying that one day I will forget to extend them, maybe but it will be fitted with an automatic system like the Lancair that extends the gear when the speed drops below a certain level. Different strokes for different folks I guess. At least he built it and IS flying it, unlike some of us myself included. Mark, you can park your trycycle next to mine anyday! Regards Dene Collett KR2S builder Freelance whisper assembler South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net ----- Original Message ----- > (Best solution: Dump the training gear) > > Steve Jacobs > Zambia > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:44:12 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: KR> Shimmy To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00db01c5bd63$47e30740$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Bob there are several other reasons for a nose wheel the shimmy. Here are a few of the problems that come to mind: Loose or worn wheel bearings Out of balance wheel Wheel and tire/tube out of balance Tire that is cupped Shimmy dampener requiring service Shimmy dampener hardware worn or loose Torque links not shimmed or adjusted Worn bolts in the torque links Each one of these contributes to wheel shimmy. Orma Southfield, MI KR-2 N110LR 1984 See Tweety at http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com See other KR spces at www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/krinfo.htm ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:44:16 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001201c5bd63$48c8d360$9ea672d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Dene Can you share the how to build and tuck the nose wheel bit with us? Pat ----- Original Message ----- > I will wimp out and fit mine with a "training wheel" but nobody will > know anyway. It will be tucked away inside the fuz in flight with the > mains. > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:53:41 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001d01c5bd64$998cfbe0$9ea672d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Jeff It may be a bit more than just "checking the tire pressure". It might mean running much less pressure than is called for, sacrificing some tire life....and you may find that acceptable. I know of two instance where reducing tire pressure immediately eliminated shimmy. -Pat ---- Original Message ----- From: To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:52 PM Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question > Thanks Bob, I am going to check tire pressure and the Diehl gear at > the attach point. ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:04:45 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: KR> Re: Serge's WAF's To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002f01c5bd66$258a4660$53a4443d@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Serge I will cut you three new WAF's undrilled and post them to you, let me know the width and length you need. I would clamp one side of your spar drill from the other side to mark it, then drill on drill stand, then cut the WAF down to the correct width. I have spare 4130 material I used to make my WAF's Anything to help out a mate Phil Matheson mathesonp@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ http://corvair.vw-engines.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:11:22 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003601c5bd67$137234a0$53a4443d@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Jef Mr friend Garry Morgan has a KR2ss and now a Joey 2(a much larger KR2ss) he refuses to use the spring as Mark mentioned, he removes the spring and tightens the front assembly up tight but so he can turn the front wheel 108dec and push his plane into the hanger. He has been doing this for years with out any problems. I have flown his KR2ss and it handles great on the ground, he also use to have shimmy problems Phil Matheson mathesonp@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ http://corvair.vw-engines.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:14:35 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Widening the boat joy stisk control To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003701c5bd67$8583b690$53a4443d@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Orma. Does Mike have drawing or info on his joy stick system. I would love to look at how it works and joins both systems together?? Phil Matheson mathesonp@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ http://corvair.vw-engines.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:26:12 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006c01c5bd69$24beb1a0$53a4443d@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Should have been 180dec, (not 108 sorry) Phil Matheson mathesonp@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ http://corvair.vw-engines.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:32:20 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Widening the boat joy stisk control To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00e401c5bd6a$00d1f530$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Mike is on the net and will probably answer that himself Orma ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:34:55 -0500 From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001301c5bd6a$5c383e20$5d817646@yourat5qgaac3z> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I have heard lots of people scornfully refer to the nose wheel as a training wheel and regard pilots who fly airplanes with one as not real pilots and it doesn't bother me a bit. I learned to fly on a nose wheel airplane and to me getting tail dragger qualified would be backing up. The nose wheel was a great improvement when it first came out and almost eliminates ground looping so it's a good thing even if the tail dragger pilots refuse to recognize it as such. It is just really a matter of personal preference. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ------ Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:06 PM Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question > Steve, > I resent that comment about the training gear. Let me tell you what my > Dad once told me when I was a little boy and would put off doing > things....and I quote "Son, there are a lot of things in life we do > not want to do and will put them off. Now quit dragging your tail and > get it done." I have not dragged my tail since. Oh yea and just a > little note...when I returned from the 2005 KR Gathering, my hanger > mate right next to me who has an Avid tail dragger lost it on landing > the day before I returned and totaled his plane. He has two destroyed > wings, a bent fuselage and a shattered ego. He is a very experienced > tail dragger pilot who now wishes he had installed a nose gear. To > each his own, they are all beautiful flying machines and each takes > special skills to master. :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of Steve Jacobs > > ... no more shimmy.Like I said, for what it is worth. > > (Best solution: Dump the training gear) > > Steve Jacobs > Zambia > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 371 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================