From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 372 Date: 9/19/2005 9:00:23 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Cam failure (Orma) 2. Re: Nose Gear question (Robert L. Stone) 3. Re: Nose Gear question and funny pokes and jabs (Barry Kruyssen) 4. Re: Widening the boat joy stisk control (M & C) 5. RE: building fibreglass geer legs. (Brian Kraut) 6. RE: Nose Gear question (Brian Kraut) 7. Re: Nose Gear question (Mark Jones) 8. Why taildragger pilots are the way they are. Was Nosewheel something. (Steve Bray) 9. RE: Nose Gear question (Steve Bray) 10. Re: Nose Gear question (Steve Bray) 11. Re: Nose Gear question (Barry Kruyssen) 12. Re: Nose Gear question (Mark Jones) 13. Re: Nose Gear question (Steve Bray) 14. Re: Nose Gear question (Mark Jones) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:37:18 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: KR> Cam failure To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00ef01c5bd6a$b2522c80$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I started opening the engine today and had a first look at the cam gear after removing the oil pump. The first thing that I noticed was that the bolt holes have been elongated by almost 1/8 of an inch. I can say that there was certainly movement between the cam and gear prior to failure of the cam. All the bolts are still in the cam and gear and the gear is in one piece. More later Orma Southfield, MI KR-2 N110LR 1984 See Tweety at http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com See other KR spces at www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/krinfo.htm ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:38:00 -0500 From: "Robert L. Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002301c5bd6a$cb703a40$5d817646@yourat5qgaac3z> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Bob, I had a friend put some weight on the tail and checked the shimmy dampner and got very good resistenance in both directions so I don't think that's the problem. However next time I am in Temple where my maintenance guy is, I will have him check it. \ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Glidden" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question > You need to get your dampner replaced,or atleast checked you can't > look at them and tell if they are bad.And Cessna 152's dampners go out > often... > > Bob Glidden > Eminence,Indiana > KR2S N181FW (building) > Corvair 110 > glidden@ccrtc.com > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:59:45 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question and funny pokes and jabs To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00f901c5bd6d$d5b0dcf0$9800a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In Australia, airport security. Once you finish the installation it is obsolete and you go back and install the next wiz-bang system. Perpetual work :-) regards Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: wilder_jeff Wilder To: krnet@mylist.net Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 6:12 AM Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question and funny pokes and jabs Great looking plane!. I just wanted to say... sorry about the luck... this in the end could turn out to be a good thing 2002 I went through the same thing.... was hired on another company after 5 months of looking and was able to get pulled into the security industry. I might suggest you look at the IT security field... pays well and LOTS of work. -Jeff Wilder please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:40:40 -0500 From: "M & C" Subject: Re: KR> Widening the boat joy stisk control To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Phil, the side sticks were set up using a 3/4 in 7075 alum rod under the arm rests between new and old truss members with a bearing on each end. A bell crank at the lower end for the aleron cable that runs in front of the rear spar. (I moved the aleron control cable from behind the front spar to just in front of the rear spar) The sticks are made from 1/8 inch x 1inch 6061 alum one on each side of the 3/4 inch rod with elv control cable 3 inchs above the pivot point of the 3/4 inch rod then returned by way of a 2 inch pully back through the center of the side sticks down under the arm rest to another set of pullies then to the rear with another set of pullies redirecting the cables to the elv. bell crank. I don't have drawings but may have some pictures. If I can find them I will send them to Omar in the next few days. Proceed at your own risk!! Mike Turner Jackson, Missouri USA Swing the prop and light the fire, dance amoung the stars.........N642MC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Matheson" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: Re: KR> Widening the boat joy stisk control > Orma. > Does Mike have drawing or info on his joy stick system. > I would love to look at how it works and joins both systems together?? > > Phil Matheson > mathesonp@dodo.com.au > VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) > 61 3 58833588 > Australia.( Down Under) > See My KR2 Building Web Page at: > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html > See our VW Engines and Home built web page at > http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ > http://corvair.vw-engines.com/ > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:47:28 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> building fibreglass geer legs. To: "harold woods" , "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What are the advantages of using the roving over using unidirectional cloth? I assume that you get nice straight fibers that way, but is there anything else? Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of harold woods Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 11:43 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> building fibreglass geer legs. Hi Netters. Steve Phillabaum wanted information on making a fiberglass gear leg. I built my own. I used roving, which is fiberglass string, about the thickness of "butcher string". It came in a spool about a foot in diameter. I decided to build both legs at the same time I built a box form over twice the required gear length. It was about 3 inches wide and 1 inch deep.At each end of the box were rows and rows of nails. At this point I painted the entire inside of the box, nails enclosed with hot melted parafin wax., as a mould release agent.The roving was attached to the first nail strung along the bottom of the box, hooked over a nail at the other end, then strung back to the next nail in line. after the entire bottom of the box was covered with this "string" it was fibreglasses. I used a very slow hardener, Versamid 140. This gave a pot life of about 4 to 6 hours. After the box was full I set a piece of polyethylene over it and planed a closely fitted lid on the box.I squeezed the lid down with clamps starting at the center.This squeezed the excess epoxy out the ends. I removed the lid and plastic and added more layer of roving This was repeated until the box was filled to a depth of 1 inch with compressed roving. The lid was left on until the next day.The gear leg was removed and the wax was washed off with gasoline. I sacrificed an old band saw blade to cut the leg in half. I made this cut at an angle of about 25 degrees.Then back about a foot from where the cut slope begins I cut it off at 90 degrees. The short piece was then epoxied onto the main leg with the two 90 degree cut end together.This gave me a 2 inch thick leer leg which tapered down to 1 inch. The leg was mounted on a suitable aluminum bracket which was bolted to the front of the front spar.The gear leg has only one hole in it where it attaches to the bracket. Aluminum bars bolted to the bracket on the front and back hold the gear leg in firm position. A cover of 3/8" aluminum on top hold everything tight together. the other end of the gear leg has a spring steel plate bolted to it with 4 bolts. It was bent to suitably accept the wheel axel which was then bolted to it. I tested the gear leg by bolting it to a heavy support on one end and affixing a 2 x 2 x 1/8" x 10' angle iron to it. Weights were added and removed, checking to see that the gear returned back to it's original position. The weight was a 150 pound man that walked out on the angle iron. It bend of about 12 inches , the angle iron collapsed where it was bolted to the gear leg. The man was at about 9 feet from the gear leg end when the iron failed. I consider the gear leg good and strong. I subsequently have heard that the rear spring in a Corvette car has a suitable fiberglass spring . This should be investigated. before making your own. If any one wants diagrams of the box I would send it to them as an attachment. Regards Harold Woods Orillia,ON. Canada. haroldwoods@rogers.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:57:58 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This has been beat to death and the correct gear to use is not the same for everyone, but keep in mind that plenty of nose wheels have been folded, especially on grass strips. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:06:29 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004301c5bd87$ea875720$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does that mean it takes a better pilot to land a nose gear on grass than a taildragger pilot and a better pilot to land a taildragger on asphalt or concrete than a nose wheel pilot. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm....we may be on to something here... Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 8:57 PM Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question > This has been beat to death and the correct gear to use is not the > same for > everyone, but keep in mind that plenty of nose wheels have been > folded, especially on grass strips. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:28:00 -0500 From: "Steve Bray" Subject: KR> Why taildragger pilots are the way they are. Was Nosewheel something. To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Bob A tail wheel aircraft has definite advantages over nose draggers, sorry, nosewheel aircraft. Its a little like waterskiing with two ski's or one. Give it a try. There is a little more skill required and if you learned on a tail wheel like some of us old poops you would understand that if you can fly a taildragger a nose dragger is baby poop (easy) to fly. Something like learning to drive wirth an automatic transmission. If you can't use a clutch people who can consider you as not completely trained. They don't necessarily look down on you but telling them that there is no need to know how to drive a straight shift is not a good idea. Another example is paratroopers look down on ground troops, men who fly the airplanes that the paratroopers jump look down on the men who jump. They think their crazy as some nose wheel pilots think taildragger pilots are. Pilots who launch from an aircraft carrier look down on every other pilot except astronauts because they want to become one. They have a faster ride! Airline pilots buy Cubs and Champs to fly for fun because that the real flying. This diatribe was not meant to insult or flame you or any other nose wheel pilot (Mark James) in any way, it is only to enlighten you to why tailwheel pilots react the way we do when someone says tailwheeling is out of date. We can do something that nosedraggers can't and are proud of it. Tell a Seal that he is the same as an army grunt and check out his reaction. Like I said, give it a try. It may change your whole prospective. This is the way I see it, no reflection on anyone else. By the way, anyone want to buy a nosewheel setup? Steve Bray Jackson, Tennessee >From: "Robert L. Stone" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "KRnet" >Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:34:55 -0500 > > I have heard lots of people scornfully refer to the nose wheel as >a training wheel and regard pilots who fly airplanes with one as not >real pilots and it doesn't bother me a bit. I learned to fly on a nose >wheel airplane and to me getting tail dragger qualified would be >backing up. The nose wheel was a great improvement when it first came >out and almost eliminates ground looping so it's a good thing even if >the tail dragger pilots refuse to recognize it as such. It is just >really a matter of personal preference. > >Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx >rstone4@hot.rr.com > > >------ Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Jones" >To: "KRnet" >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:06 PM >Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question > > > > Steve, > > I resent that comment about the training gear. Let me tell you what > > my Dad once told me when I was a little boy and would put off doing > > things....and I quote "Son, there are a lot of things in life we do > > not want to do and will put them off. Now quit dragging your tail > > and get it done." I have not dragged my tail since. Oh yea and just > > a little note...when I returned from the 2005 KR Gathering, my > > hanger mate right next to me who has an Avid tail dragger lost it on > > landing the day before I returned and totaled his plane. He has two > > destroyed wings, a bent fuselage and a shattered ego. He is a very > > experienced tail dragger pilot who now wishes he had installed a > > nose gear. To each his own, they are all beautiful flying machines > > and each takes special skills to master. :-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > > Behalf Of Steve Jacobs > > > > ... no more shimmy.Like I said, for what it is worth. > > > > (Best solution: Dump the training gear) > > > > Steve Jacobs > > Zambia > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:31:57 -0500 From: "Steve Bray" Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Brian, Did you get your Corvair book back? Steve Bray Jackson, Tennessee >From: "Brian Kraut" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "KRnet" >Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:57:58 -0400 > >This has been beat to death and the correct gear to use is not the same >for everyone, but keep in mind that plenty of nose wheels have been >folded, especially on grass strips. > >Brian Kraut >Engineering Alternatives, Inc. >www.engalt.com > > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:36:05 -0500 From: "Steve Bray" Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Mark If you flew a taildragger you would already know that. That was ment to be Jones and not James in my diatribe. You. You shold know a taildragger pilot cand land anything anywhere. Steve Bray Jackson, Tennessee >From: "Mark Jones" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "KRnet" >Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:06:29 -0500 > >Does that mean it takes a better pilot to land a nose gear on grass >than a taildragger pilot and a better pilot to land a taildragger on >asphalt or concrete than a nose wheel pilot. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm....we may be >on to something here... > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) >Wales, WI USA >E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brian Kraut" >To: "KRnet" >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 8:57 PM >Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question > > > > This has been beat to death and the correct gear to use is not the > > same >for > > everyone, but keep in mind that plenty of nose wheels have been > > folded, especially on grass strips. > > > > Brian Kraut > > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > > www.engalt.com > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:36:28 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <019c01c5bd8c$1bdf5760$9800a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As tail dragger pilot, I prefer to land on grass, my worst landings are on ashpalt. regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Jones To: KRnet Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:06 PM Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question Does that mean it takes a better pilot to land a nose gear on grass than a taildragger pilot and a better pilot to land a taildragger on asphalt or concrete than a nose wheel pilot. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm....we may be on to something here... ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:59:51 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005701c5bd8f$5ecea0a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Steve, For the record, first let me tell you that I have tail dragger time logged in my log book. I have many hours in the following....J3 Cub, Citabria, Champ, C-180 and Taylorcraft. So, I guess in reality, I am a tail dragger pilot. Right? I chose nose gear for my KR because I like the looks of the plane on Tri Gear. It looks larger on Tri Gear than as a tail dragger and it is much less prone to damage incurred by ground loops. All in all, the tri gear KR is safer on landing, easier to control and more forgiving. In the air, they fly the same and look the same except for the drag incurred by the nose gear. All of this ribbing each other is in pure fun because all KR's are beautiful planes and ALL KR Pilots are highly skilled pilots or you would not be flying a high performance KR. Keep smiling, keep laughing and keep the ribbing coming because neither type of pilot is any better than the other. Remember, it is a choice I made after having many hours as a tail dragger pilot. LOL :-) :-) :-) Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Bray" To: Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question > Mark > If you flew a taildragger you would already know that. > That was ment to be Jones and not James in my diatribe. You. You shold > know a taildragger pilot cand land anything anywhere. > > Steve Bray > Jackson, Tennessee > > > > > >From: "Mark Jones" > >Reply-To: KRnet > >To: "KRnet" > >Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question > >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:06:29 -0500 > > > >Does that mean it takes a better pilot to land a nose gear on grass > >than a > >taildragger pilot and a better pilot to land a taildragger on asphalt > >or concrete than a nose wheel pilot. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm....we may be on to > >something here... > > > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) > >Wales, WI USA > >E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Brian Kraut" > >To: "KRnet" > >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 8:57 PM > >Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question > > > > > > > This has been beat to death and the correct gear to use is not the same > >for > > > everyone, but keep in mind that plenty of nose wheels have been folded, > > > especially on grass strips. > > > > > > Brian Kraut > > > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > > > www.engalt.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > >Search the KRnet Archives at > >http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:10:01 -0500 From: "Steve Bray" Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Mark I agree with you 100%. I am NOT a KR pilot, as yet. Are Noss wheel KR's harder to deal with on grass? I was tryin to enlighten the other gut to why taildragger pilots act like they do. I'm still trying to decide which way to go, I have a nose wheel and I will be flyin from a hard surface. There is just sometimes more adrenalin pumped with a tailwheer. Good job on your return trip, cool head and exactly the way I hope I would have done it. And congrats on your passenger, you've started something! Something that may go on down the line. When you gonna fly your wife? After all she let her car set outside all that time, she deserves a ride. Steve Bray Jackson, Tennessee >From: "Mark Jones" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "KRnet" >Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:59:51 -0500 > >Steve, >For the record, first let me tell you that I have tail dragger time >logged in my log book. I have many hours in the following....J3 Cub, >Citabria, Champ, C-180 and Taylorcraft. So, I guess in reality, I am a >tail dragger pilot. Right? I chose nose gear for my KR because I like >the looks of the plane on Tri Gear. It looks larger on Tri Gear than as >a tail dragger and it is much less prone to damage incurred by ground >loops. All in all, the tri gear KR is safer on landing, easier to >control and more forgiving. In the air, they fly the same and look the >same except for the drag incurred by the >nose gear. All of this ribbing each other is in pure fun because all KR's >are beautiful planes and ALL KR Pilots are highly skilled pilots or you >would not be flying a high performance KR. Keep smiling, keep laughing and >keep the ribbing coming because neither type of pilot is any better than >the >other. Remember, it is a choice I made after having many hours as a tail >dragger pilot. LOL :-) :-) :-) > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) >Wales, WI USA >E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steve Bray" >To: >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:36 PM >Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question > > > > Mark > > If you flew a taildragger you would already know that. > > That was ment to be Jones and not James in my diatribe. You. You > > shold know a taildragger pilot cand land anything anywhere. > > > > Steve Bray > > Jackson, Tennessee > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Mark Jones" > > >Reply-To: KRnet > > >To: "KRnet" > > >Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question > > >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:06:29 -0500 > > > > > >Does that mean it takes a better pilot to land a nose gear on grass >than >a > > >taildragger pilot and a better pilot to land a taildragger on > > >asphalt >or > > >concrete than a nose wheel pilot. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm....we may be on to > > >something here... > > > > > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > >Wales, WI USA > > >E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Brian Kraut" > > >To: "KRnet" > > >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 8:57 PM > > >Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question > > > > > > > > > > This has been beat to death and the correct gear to use is not > > > > the >same > > >for > > > > everyone, but keep in mind that plenty of nose wheels have been >folded, > > > > especially on grass strips. > > > > > > > > Brian Kraut > > > > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > > > > www.engalt.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > Search the KRnet Archives at >http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > > > > KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at > > > > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > >Search the KRnet Archives at > > >http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:27:10 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006e01c5bd93$30344020$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Steve, I have no experience yet with flying a nose wheel on or off grass so I can not answer that question. I have taxied on grass with no problem. I think that if you treat it like a soft field take off and landing there would be no problems. Especially on a dry hard turf. Wet and soggy should be avoided. My wife has only flown with me four times and that was years ago before any children came into the picture. Now she says she does not want to fly together because if something were to happen, she does not want our children to be parentless. Funny thing is that we fly commercial together often. Tail wheel or nose wheel, both will make your adrenaline pump. I have flown in one tail dragger KR and that was with Marty Roberts. It was not the plane that made my adrenaline pump but the way he flew the plane with me in it.... high speed dive to a 219 mph indicated high speed pass down MVN runway at the 2004 Gathering. That was a rush!!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Bray" To: Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:10 PM Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question > Mark > I agree with you 100%. I am NOT a KR pilot, as yet. Are Noss wheel > KR's harder to deal with on grass? I was tryin to enlighten the other > gut to why taildragger pilots act like they do. > I'm still trying to decide which way to go, I have a nose wheel and I will > be flyin from a hard surface. > There is just sometimes more adrenalin pumped with a tailwheer. > Good job on your return trip, cool head and exactly the way I hope I would > have done it. And congrats on your passenger, you've started something! > Something that may go on down the line. > When you gonna fly your wife? After all she let her car set outside all that > time, she deserves a ride. > Steve Bray > Jackson, Tennessee > > > > > >From: "Mark Jones" > >Reply-To: KRnet > >To: "KRnet" > >Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question > >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:59:51 -0500 > > > >Steve, > >For the record, first let me tell you that I have tail dragger time logged > >in my log book. I have many hours in the following....J3 Cub, > >Citabria, Champ, C-180 and Taylorcraft. So, I guess in reality, I am > >a tail dragger pilot. Right? I chose nose gear for my KR because I > >like the looks of the plane on Tri Gear. It looks larger on Tri Gear > >than as a tail dragger and it is much less prone to damage incurred > >by ground loops. All in all, the tri > >gear KR is safer on landing, easier to control and more forgiving. In > >the air, they fly the same and look the same except for the drag > >incurred by the nose gear. All of this ribbing each other is in pure > >fun because all KR's are beautiful planes and ALL KR Pilots are > >highly skilled pilots or you would not be flying a high performance > >KR. Keep smiling, keep laughing and > >keep the ribbing coming because neither type of pilot is any better > >than the other. Remember, it is a choice I made after having many > >hours as a tail dragger pilot. LOL :-) :-) :-) > > > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) > >Wales, WI USA > >E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Steve Bray" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:36 PM > >Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question > > > > > > > Mark > > > If you flew a taildragger you would already know that. That was > > > ment to be Jones and not James in my diatribe. You. You shold know > > > a taildragger pilot cand land anything anywhere. > > > > > > Steve Bray > > > Jackson, Tennessee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Mark Jones" > > > >Reply-To: KRnet > > > >To: "KRnet" > > > >Subject: Re: KR> Nose Gear question > > > >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:06:29 -0500 > > > > > > > >Does that mean it takes a better pilot to land a nose gear on > > > >grass > >than > >a > > > >taildragger pilot and a better pilot to land a taildragger on > > > >asphalt > >or > > > >concrete than a nose wheel pilot. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm....we may be on > > > >to something here... > > > > > > > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > > >Wales, WI USA > > > >E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > > >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > > >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Brian Kraut" > > > >To: "KRnet" > > > >Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 8:57 PM > > > >Subject: RE: KR> Nose Gear question > > > > > > > > > > > > > This has been beat to death and the correct gear to use is not > > > > > the > >same > > > >for > > > > > everyone, but keep in mind that plenty of nose wheels have > > > > > been > >folded, > > > > > especially on grass strips. > > > > > > > > > > Brian Kraut > > > > > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > > > > > www.engalt.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > Search the KRnet Archives at > >http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > > > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > > >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > > > >KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at > > > >http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > >Search the KRnet Archives at > >http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 372 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================