From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 380 Date: 9/26/2005 5:37:06 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Friday market day (gerhard rossouw) 2. Re: Bubbles (Orma) 3. RE: Bubbles (Mark Jones) 4. R?f. : RE: KR> Bubbles (Serge VIDAL) 5. Re: copper state (Jeff Scott) 6. Re: R?f. : RE: KR> Bubbles (Orma) 7. RE: copper state (Jim Sellars) 8. RE: Fw: prop for sale (Jim Sellars) 9. Re: Jeff Scott's Modifications - Early Flight test results (Rick Human) 10. RE: copper state (Jeff Scott) 11. Re: Jeff Scott's Modifications - Early Flight test results (Jeff Scott) 12. RE: Jeff Scott's Modifications - Early Flight test results (Jim Sellars) 13. RE: Jeff Scott's Modifications - Early Flight test results (Jeff Scott) 14. horizontal stab incidence (Don Chisholm) 15. Re: horizontal stab incidence (Jeff Scott) 16. RE: horizontal stab incidence (Mark Jones) 17. KR gathering in Mt. Vernon (wilder_jeff Wilder) 18. Re: KR gathering in Mt. Vernon (larry flesner) 19. Re: KR2 VW reduction Tork...KRnet vol 347, Issue 379 (Dann Johnson) 20. Re: Re: KR2 VW reduction Tork...KRnet vol 347, Issue 379 (Scott William) 21. Re: Re: KR2 VW reduction Tork...KRnet vol 347, Issue 379 (Dan Heath) 22. KR2S on eBay (L. D. Mueller) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:44:52 +0000 From: "gerhard rossouw" Subject: RE: KR> Friday market day To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hallo Dene Is the canopy for a standard kr2? Can you please send me a photo. Thank you Gerhard >From: "DENE COLLETT (SA)" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "KRnet" >Subject: KR> Friday market day >Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:08:34 +0200 > >This one is for the South Africans amongst us. >I have decided to splash out on a dragonfly canopy for my project so my >standard bubble canopy is up for sale. It has a frame, roll over bar >and strong points for the attachment of canopy latches. It has bought >new and has never been more than two metres above the ground. My e-mail >address is below. Thanks >Regards >Dene Collett >KR2S builder >Freelance whisper assembler >South Africa >mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net > > > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _________________________________________________________________ Browse smarter with tabs - get the all-new MSN Search Toolbar! http://toolbar.msn.co.za?DI=1054&XAPID=2083 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 07:34:52 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> Bubbles To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006c01c5c28e$5144b8d0$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original "Don't heat them you will get a bigger bubble...". I do agree with Lee that heating may get you bigger bubbles. I must add that in the case of uncured foam, it's like having little time bombs that will eventually all cure when exposed to enough heat or sunlight. The problem is that they will not cure at the same time. Each time a spot gets hot enough another bubble will appear. To make sure that you only have to do the repairs once, applying heat will cause the remainder of any foam to cure and then you can fix them all at once. Mark this is a just in case recommendation. You never said what you think was the cause of the bubbles in the first place. This problem with using spray foam has been documented before and a lot of builders avoid it's use for this reason. Orma Southfield, MI KR-2 N110LR 1984 See Tweety at http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com See other KR spces at www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/krinfo.htm ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 07:27:25 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: KR> Bubbles To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F357C4509@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am not sure what has caused the bubbles. The areas which have the bubbles do not have any spray foam so that is ruled out. I only had two bubbles when I was at MT Vernon but a week later a few more tiny ones popped up? These are on my stub wings and a couple on my front deck top. There is no fuel in the stub wings so that is ruled out too. I will be taking the wings off my plane around the 1st of November and will be bringing the plane home for the winter to finish it and paint it. It should emerge in the spring looking like a new airplane. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Orma You never said what you think was the cause of the bubbles in the first place. This problem with using spray foam has been documented before and a lot of builders avoid it's use for this reason. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:32:33 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : RE: KR> Bubbles To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Guys, correct me if I am wrong, but I was always told that if air, even in tiny quantities, is trapped in the fiberglass during the curing, then it will form, ultimately, pockets of acid, that will show as bubbles. And this will cause delamination. Could a fiberglass pro tell us something about that? Serge vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Mark Jones" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem.com@mylist.net 2005-09-26 14:27 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-09-26 14:22 Pour : "KRnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : RE: KR> Bubbles I am not sure what has caused the bubbles. The areas which have the bubbles do not have any spray foam so that is ruled out. I only had two bubbles when I was at MT Vernon but a week later a few more tiny ones popped up? These are on my stub wings and a couple on my front deck top. There is no fuel in the stub wings so that is ruled out too. I will be taking the wings off my plane around the 1st of November and will be bringing the plane home for the winter to finish it and paint it. It should emerge in the spring looking like a new airplane. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Orma You never said what you think was the cause of the bubbles in the first place. This problem with using spray foam has been documented before and a lot of builders avoid it's use for this reason. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:13:40 GMT From: "Jeff Scott" Subject: Re: KR> copper state To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050926.061431.7340.585739@webmail12.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain It looks like I'll be there with mine. Although Charlie Reeves isn't on the KRNet, I expect he'll fly up from Tucson for a day or two. Jeff Scott -- "Lee Van Dyke" wrote: Netters, Copperstate is at Casa Grande Airport this year, not the dust pit of last year. I will have my KR2 there this year. How many other people plan on attending Copperstate????? Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ Lee@vandyke5.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:19:29 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: R?f. : RE: KR> Bubbles To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007901c5c29c$ee537220$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I know that trapped moisture that could come from wet sanding could do something similar. Orma Southfield, MI KR-2 N110LR 1984 See Tweety at http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com See other KR spces at www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/krinfo.htm ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:41:49 -0300 From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: RE: KR> copper state To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jeff: I was able to give the prop a proper test this weekend and can tell you that I will not be sending it back. It didn't make a huge difference but it certainly is noticeable. I need to buy a new spinner for this setup and then I think that I will see some real improvements. Anyway I knew you wanted to know so there you have it. Hope we are able to meet sometime at a gathering. All the best Jim -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Scott Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:14 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> copper state It looks like I'll be there with mine. Although Charlie Reeves isn't on the KRNet, I expect he'll fly up from Tucson for a day or two. Jeff Scott -- "Lee Van Dyke" wrote: Netters, Copperstate is at Casa Grande Airport this year, not the dust pit of last year. I will have my KR2 there this year. How many other people plan on attending Copperstate????? Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ Lee@vandyke5.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:09:09 -0300 From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: RE: KR> Fw: prop for sale To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Fellows: I would like to do the same, I have a SAE 1 56 x58 HEGY prop for sale. With bolts and other hardware. Asking $250. Please contact me off-line at 506-856-7977 or via the net here. Jim -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+paladinfinancial=rogers.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+paladinfinancial=rogers.com@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Mark Langford Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 7:16 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR> Fw: prop for sale Posted for Dennis Dyer ( kr2s@mtnguy.com ): >>I guess since it's Friday it would be ok to offer a prop for sale on >>th net. I have a Props Inc. 52x46 prop that I'd like to get rid of. Asking $225, it's listed in Spruce for $325. << Reply to kr2s@mtnguy.com , not to me. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:40:49 -0500 From: "Rick Human" Subject: Re: KR> Jeff Scott's Modifications - Early Flight test results To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001301c5c2a8$4a747e90$41cadacf@hpjxij3s2uk3q6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jeff what angle did you set the new Stab? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 11:16 PM Subject: Re: KR> Jeff Scott's Modifications - Early Flight test results > > Stability: The larger 8 foot span horizontal stab is absolutely > fabulous. > Jeff Scott > N1213W > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:10:48 GMT From: "Jeff Scott" Subject: RE: KR> copper state To: paladinfinancial@rogers.com, krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050926.081138.15074.586740@webmail02.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain Hi Jim, Thanks for the update. I think you can see why I ponyup the money to buy these props instead of the cheaper ones. thanks again, Jeff -- "Jim Sellars" wrote: Jeff: I was able to give the prop a proper test this weekend and can tell you that I will not be sending it back. It didn't make a huge difference but it certainly is noticeable. I need to buy a new spinner for this setup and then I think that I will see some real improvements. Anyway I knew you wanted to know so there you have it. Hope we are able to meet sometime at a gathering. All the best Jim -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Scott Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:14 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> copper state It looks like I'll be there with mine. Although Charlie Reeves isn't on the KRNet, I expect he'll fly up from Tucson for a day or two. Jeff Scott -- "Lee Van Dyke" wrote: Netters, Copperstate is at Casa Grande Airport this year, not the dust pit of last year. I will have my KR2 there this year. How many other people plan on attending Copperstate????? Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ Lee@vandyke5.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:27:47 GMT From: "Jeff Scott" Subject: Re: KR> Jeff Scott's Modifications - Early Flight test results To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050926.082757.15074.587048@webmail02.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain I have roughly -.5 degree in the tail. The previous tail was mounted at 1.5 degrees positive. I may have over compensated a little bit and would recommend 0 degrees to work with the stock RAF 48 airfoil as per plans. Mark recommends -.75 to work with the AS series airfoil. I have no reason to disagree with him. Jeff -- "Rick Human" wrote: Jeff what angle did you set the new Stab? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 11:16 PM Subject: Re: KR> Jeff Scott's Modifications - Early Flight test results > > Stability: The larger 8 foot span horizontal stab is absolutely > fabulous. > Jeff Scott > N1213W > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:12:49 -0300 From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: RE: KR> Jeff Scott's Modifications - Early Flight test results To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jeff: I would like to ask how you managed to change the stabilizer, did you add something to the stabilizer or did you rip the old one out and build a new one from scratch. If the latter how did you manage to get it back in and secure since I believe mine is glued in place as well as bolted. Must have been a real piece of work. Jim -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Rick Human Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 11:41 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Jeff Scott's Modifications - Early Flight test results Jeff what angle did you set the new Stab? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 11:16 PM Subject: Re: KR> Jeff Scott's Modifications - Early Flight test results > > Stability: The larger 8 foot span horizontal stab is absolutely > fabulous. > Jeff Scott > N1213W > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:02:59 GMT From: "Jeff Scott" Subject: RE: KR> Jeff Scott's Modifications - Early Flight test results To: paladinfinancial@rogers.com, krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050926.110314.14562.590270@webmail24.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain Changing the horizontal stab was a real piece of work and a royal pain to do. I spent a number of sleepless nights trying to figure out the details of how I was going to accomplish my goals until I had a workable plan firmed up in my mind. I cut the horizontal stab down to the bare spars and cut the old one piece elevator spar in half for removal. I thought I would be able to twist the rear spar loose from the attach plate, but ended up cracking the attach plate in the process. Consequently, I had to build a doubler for the rear spar attach plate to install the new rear spar. That actually worked out quite nicely as I ended up moving the rear spar 1/4" forward anyway. It turned out that moving the spar forward wasn't necessary, but I was trying to make sure I had enough clearance for sufficient elevator travel with a taller spar and the rod end bearing hinge arrangement. The new rear spar was mounted flush on top of the longerons and bonded to the new attach plate and doubler. The original front spar was cut down to 18" length on either side. The incidence was set by adjusting the new front spars vertically as they were bonded to the aft surface of the old spars. Since the new spars are significantly taller than the old spars, there was plenty of room to adjust the front spar up and down to set the incidence. Of course since I am using the old front spar carrythrough, the front spar is not as strong as it would be if a single piece spar could have been inserted through the tail. However, the calculations said that even with the longer span, the front spar carry through should be strong enough. From there on, the horizontal stab was built with the usual foam and glass methods, except that I chose to work with carbon fibre. The elevator was built in two pieces with an aluminum attach plate in the center of the elevator spar. Either elevator half can be disconnected and removed from the tail, although not very easily. I didn't even try to round out the trailing edge of the stab to fit the front edge of the elevator. Instead, I laid up a single strip of carbon fibre top and bottom on the stab with a 2" overhang over the elevator to make a gap seal. I cut small gaps in the bottom to access the hinges for installation and maintenance, then built small CF covers that fit under the gap seal to cover the elevator hinges. Unless you have worked on the tail recently, this description may not make a lot of sense. I'm not so sure taking a saw to a flying airplane makes a lot of sense either. :o) I did document all of the process in photos and do plan to put a web page together when I get some time later this fall. Jeff Scott N1213W -- "Jim Sellars" wrote: Jeff: I would like to ask how you managed to change the stabilizer, did you add something to the stabilizer or did you rip the old one out and build a new one from scratch. If the latter how did you manage to get it back in and secure since I believe mine is glued in place as well as bolted. Must have been a real piece of work. Jim -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Rick Human Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 11:41 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Jeff Scott's Modifications - Early Flight test results Jeff what angle did you set the new Stab? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 11:16 PM Subject: Re: KR> Jeff Scott's Modifications - Early Flight test results > > Stability: The larger 8 foot span horizontal stab is absolutely > fabulous. > Jeff Scott > N1213W > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:04:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> horizontal stab incidence To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050926200455.36286.qmail@web88011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I've been loosly following Jeff Scott's narrative about his h/s modification and have built a stab. elevator combo from TET AS5046 drawings that establish the level line to give the stab. a -- .75 degree incidence. I'm wondering what is the ideal or are the numbers still out on that one ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:19:41 GMT From: "Jeff Scott" Subject: Re: KR> horizontal stab incidence To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050926.132022.23402.591745@webmail10.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain As far as I know, Mark L. and Bill's KRs are the only ones flying with that combination of wing and stab. Mark is away from the net for a couple of weeks, but I'm sure Bill will have a comment to add here. I believe Mark posted in his writings that he had his set at -.75 degrees and that as far as he could tell it was very close to perfect. That is also the recommendation printed on the templates posted on his web page. Jeff Scott -- Don Chisholm wrote: I've been loosly following Jeff Scott's narrative about his h/s modification and have built a stab. elevator combo from TET AS5046 drawings that establish the level line to give the stab. a -- .75 degree incidence. I'm wondering what is the ideal or are the numbers still out on that one _______________________________________ ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:27:08 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: KR> horizontal stab incidence To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F357C4516@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Don, I can say that I have the AS5046 with the AS Stabilizer set at -.75? as per the drawings. I rarely and I mean rarely ever find it necessary to trim the elevator in cruise. If I want true hands off flying, which I have done for a five minute period on an extremely calm day at cruise, my elevator requires about 1/16" of up trim deflection. Otherwise, I make sure the trim is neutral on take off and never touch it. I would have to say the -.75? is perfect. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com -----Original Message----- Behalf Of Don Chisholm Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 3:05 PM I've been loosly following Jeff Scott's narrative about his h/s modification and have built a stab. elevator combo from TET AS5046 drawings that establish the level line to give the stab. a -- .75 degree incidence. I'm wondering what is the ideal or are the numbers still out on that one _ ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:36:53 -0600 From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" Subject: KR> KR gathering in Mt. Vernon To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Does anyone have the contact for a gentleman by the name of Dana that came to the fly in. He and his family in Ky. I need to get in contact with him if I can. Thanks! -Jeff Wilder CISSP,CCE,C/EH -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GIT/CM/CS/O d- s:+ a C+++ UH++ P L++ E- w-- N+++ o-- K- w O- M-- V-- PS+ PE- Y++ PGP++ t+ 5- X-- R* tv b++ DI++ D++ G e* h--- r- y+++* ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ >From: "Mark Jones" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "KRnet" >Subject: RE: KR> horizontal stab incidence >Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:27:08 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from lizard.esosoft.net ([38.118.200.18]) by >mc7-f5.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:23:06 -0700 >Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lizard.esosoft.net)by >lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43)id 1EJzVB-000CGd-JF; Mon, 26 Sep >2005 13:23:05 -0700 >Received: from smtp.tulsaokmail.com >([65.249.200.76]helo=tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com)by lizard.esosoft.net >with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EJzUA-000C34-DNfor krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 26 Sep >2005 13:22:02 -0700 >X-Message-Info: loPmDlX8LgdOWdter2MwhGwQsfAIRPLvI2Si5/EpM1U= >Content-class: urn:content-classes:message >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 >X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: KR> horizontal stab >incidence >Thread-Index: AcXC1+fjcncUPa2vSYahxfGkYjwTNQ== >X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 >Precedence: list >List-Id: KRnet >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: krnet-bounces@mylist.net >Return-Path: krnet-bounces@mylist.net >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2005 20:23:06.0513 (UTC) >FILETIME=[1A9CB810:01C5C2D8] > >Don, >I can say that I have the AS5046 with the AS Stabilizer set at -.75? as >per the drawings. I rarely and I mean rarely ever find it necessary to >trim the elevator in cruise. If I want true hands off flying, which I >have done for a five minute period on an extremely calm day at cruise, >my elevator requires about 1/16" of up trim deflection. Otherwise, I >make sure the trim is neutral on take off and never touch it. I would >have to say the -.75? is perfect. > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) >Wales, WI >Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj >Email: flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > > >-----Original Message----- >Behalf Of Don Chisholm >Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 3:05 PM > >I've been loosly following Jeff Scott's narrative about his h/s >modification and have built a stab. elevator combo from TET AS5046 >drawings that establish the level line to give the stab. a -- .75 >degree incidence. > I'm wondering what is the ideal or are the numbers still out on that >one _ > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:14:26 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> KR gathering in Mt. Vernon To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050926161426.00794530@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Does anyone have the contact for a gentleman by the name of Dana that >came >to the fly in. He and his family in Ky. I need to get in contact with him if >I can. >-Jeff Wilder ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ That would be Dana Overall and he's on the net so you'll probably hear from him soon. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:02:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Dann Johnson Subject: KR> Re: KR2 VW reduction Tork...KRnet vol 347, Issue 379 To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050926220249.43705.qmail@web205.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Greetings. I have been trying to follow the gear reduction / Tork / vs hourse power thread. Horse power should basically be constant, that is just foot pounds of energy per second... just the friction costs of the reduction drive. Like my cordless dewalt drill can still drive a screw in on low, after it stalled out on high, (because the battery is weak). More tork on low speed. After trying to follow the Horse power/ Tork / Gear reduction ... I am leaning more and more towards buying that... For a couple of reasons. A slower turning prop, even if it has a more agressive pitch so it takes a bigger bite of the air should be enough more efficient to compensate for lost friction in the reduction drive. 2nd.. reason is that the VW crank failures, and the corvair crank failures that I have read about in FAA accident reports, IMHO make the prop vibration stability gear reduction worthwhile. This Spring, I bought a set of KR2S Plans.. then I bought a partially completed KR2 (original plans) back in April that I intend to get flying. It came with a Great Planes VW motor mount. but the prior owner had a corvair engine lined up that I bought also. Fly in the ointment was when my local A & P / EAA guy that I spoke with told me not to screw around ... just get a "real airplane engine" ... 100 horse or better Continental and go from there. 32 years ago in college, I had an original "first run" set of KR1 plans that Ken said he got flying for $500, including engine, gages, everything. Dann Johnson Thompson, Iowa P.S. After finding this list... for about 5 months I have been mostly lurking. ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:07:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott William Subject: Re: KR> Re: KR2 VW reduction Tork...KRnet vol 347, Issue 379 To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050926220741.88389.qmail@web31514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- Dann Johnson wrote: the VW crank > failures, and the corvair crank failures that I > have > read about in FAA accident reports, IMHO make the > prop > vibration stability gear reduction worthwhile. > > I guess ya haven't read about any of the failures on the gear reductin units yet. Keep reading. Scott __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:56:49 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Re: KR2 VW reduction Tork...KRnet vol 347, Issue 379 To: Message-ID: <43387CB1.000001.03560@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" When I was test flying my first KR, the local FBO and AP, kept telling me that and had my wife chanting that mantra. Sure glad that I did not listen to either of them. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- Fly in the ointment was when my local A & P / EAA guy that I spoke with told me not to screw around ... just get a "real airplane engine" ... 100 horse or better Continental and go from there. ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:35:56 -0500 From: "L. D. Mueller" Subject: KR> KR2S on eBay To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00be01c5c2fb$6dcd5440$6500a8c0@LDM0D330DFBAF> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey KR Netters, I've decided to sell the boat that I have and pickup/build a wider 2S. The eBay search item number is: 4578547051 Yeah, I know it's not Friday . . . . Happy bidding! L. D. Mueller 521 North Madison Street Cuba City, WI 53807 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 380 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================