From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 385 Date: 9/29/2005 3:20:58 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: More carb ice? (Brian Kraut) 2. RE: R?f. : KR> Carb Heat/Carb ice (Brian Kraut) 3. Re: More carb ice? (Jim Morehead) 4. Operating Handbooks (Rich Meyer) 5. intake heat (Steve Jacobs) 6. R?f. : Re: KR> Turnbuckles (Serge VIDAL) 7. R?f. : RE: R?f. : KR> Carb Heat/Carb ice (Serge VIDAL) 8. Re: Operating Handbooks (Dan Heath) 9. R?f. : KR> Operating Handbooks (Serge VIDAL) 10. Re: R?f. : KR> Operating Handbooks (Dan Heath) 11. Re: R?f. : Re: R?f. : KR> Operating Handbooks (Dan Heath) 12. Re: More carb ice? (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 13. Re: intake heat (Bob Glidden) 14. Amount of Epoxy/Adhesive to build the KR wings. (Dubi Gefen) 15. Azusalite wheels (Scott William) 16. Re: Azusalite wheels (larry flesner) 17. Re: risk management, (FIXERJONES@aol.com) 18. Re: Azusalite wheels (FIXERJONES@aol.com) 19. Carb Ice (Colin Rainey) 20. R?f. : KR> Carb Ice (Serge VIDAL) 21. Re: RE: Jeff Scott's Modifications (Phil Matheson) 22. Re: R?f. : KR> Operating Handbooks (billstarrs@peoplepc.com) 23. Re: R?f. : KR> Operating Handbooks (Dan Heath) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:12:09 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> More carb ice? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Some people try to rationialize that they can not get carb ice and don't need heat because they don't fly in cold weather, their carb is located on top of the engine, or whatever. I have an example that might make them think twice. I had a 1976 Lincoln that got carb ice on two occasions. Both times were driving at night in very humid and slightly foggy conditions. I would guess that the temperature was in the 70s to 80s. I did have the air conditioner on both times. It was strange because I was driving a long time at a constant speed. I noticed that the gas pedal started going further down and I was loosing power until I had it flored and could only do about 40. I pulled over and looked under the hood and found nothing, but it seemed to fix itself. I did this three times then removed the air filter to see if the choke was closing and I noticed that the carb had condensation on it and was very cold. I figured that when I pulled over that the air flow through the carb slowed down and the heat rose from the engine and melted the ice. The next time it happened I stopped fast, jumped out and opened the hood and removed the air cleaner fast and saw the frost just melting off of the carb. The point is that this was a carb on top of a hot engine in condiditons where you would not expect ice and it still happened. Install carb heat. It is not that hard. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of L. D. Mueller Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:25 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR> More carb ice? Here's an article from flycorvair's site on carb ice. More good reading. http://www.flycorvair.com/carbice.html L. D. Mueller _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:21:10 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: R?f. : KR> Carb Heat/Carb ice To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The Zenith does have a venturi. You can even change it for different size engines. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Serge VIDAL Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:59 AM To: KRnet Subject: Réf. : KR> Carb Heat/Carb ice Yeah, I knew that too. But I also read carefully all available statistics on aircraft accidents in South Africa, and I saw that carb heat was almost never mentioned as a cause or even a contributing factor. What I just figured out now is why the Zenith/Stromberg does not ice easily. Because it hasn't got a Ventury. Simple. Serge Vidal larry flesner Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem.com@mylist.net 2005-09-28 15:47 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-09-28 15:50 Pour : KRnet cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Carb Heat/Carb ice > >Living in hot and sunny South Africa, where carb icing altogether is a >pretty rare occurrence, I felt happy with the answer, and I forgot >about it.. Serge Vidal +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Lycombing suggest the range of 20 to 90 degrees F for the possibility of carb icing. You could be getting a temp drop through the carb of 40+ degrees. Also mentioned was the fact that certified engines must be capable of raising the carb intake temp by 90 degrees F at 75% power. Your best chance for ice to form is on a warm (60 to 90 degree F) and humid day. Your carb may not have a venturi but the fuel vaporizing will cause a big temp drop and could contribute to carb ice. Do a google search for carb ice. Lots of info there. Larry Flesner _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:37:18 -0700 From: Jim Morehead Subject: Re: KR> More carb ice? To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Netters, I have a 1997 Ford F150 pick up, it got a factory recall due to intake icing. Since I live in California they told me to keep the notice in the glove box and if I ever moved to a cold state I should bring it in for the "fix." Jim Morehead Cameron Park, CA ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:36:52 -0500 From: "Rich Meyer" Subject: KR> Operating Handbooks To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c5c4b7$ce554080$3decfea9@RHM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As new owners of KR2 N26LT, (HAPI 1835) we're looking for a POH. I've printed out the thorough KR2S (Revmaster 2100) POH by Rob Schmitt and if necessary I can begin making revisions, but I just wondered if someone who has done a similar job for a KR2 would be willing to send it? Thanks, Rich ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:30:18 -0700 From: "Steve Jacobs" Subject: KR> intake heat To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000401c5c513$2051a800$26e6dbc1@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Which aircraft have a alternate air on the panel for air to the throttle body and how would your throttle body ice up do to carb ice ? There is no fuel going thru it. ++++++++++++++++++ My Cherokee Six had exactly that - spring loaded auto open and was cable controlled from the cockpit. This has nothing to do with the throttle body or anything else that is downstream from this point where another air source would offer no relief anyway. This alternate air facility provides a separate source of intake air from within the cowl if the inlet ducting (that is upstream) ices over. Steve Jacobs Zambia ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:03:42 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : Re: KR> Turnbuckles To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dene, I think you are damn right. Must be yacht parts! I thought the Port Elisabeth crowd knew only about engines, but apparently, they do know ships too! ;-) Serge "DENE COLLETT (SA)" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-09-28 21:45 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-09-28 22:12 Pour : "KRnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: KR> Turnbuckles Surge Just a guess here but try the saling supply shops. I can't remember what they looked like but what you describe is something like what I saw at a local marine supply storethe other day. Regards Dene Collett KR2S builder Freelance whisper assembler South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Serge VIDAL To: KRnet Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 3:50 PM Subject: KR> Turnbuckles > I have a couple of control turnbuckles on my KR2 that are bright metal > (stainless steel? chrome plated?). I would like to buy a couple more, > to use the barrels as aileron pushrods. Now, all I can find in > Aircraft Spruce's catalogue is brass turnbucles. Any ideas? > > Serge Vidal > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Coud" > Paris, France > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:14:38 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : RE: R?f. : KR> Carb Heat/Carb ice To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think it's time I dig out the spare Zenith carb I have, in my cellar, and have a close look at it. Can't remember a Venturi. Can't remember any removable part in the throttle area, but I will definitely check. Anyway, I also want to change the screws on that carb for aviation screws, just for the pleasure of safetying them! ;-) Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Brian Kraut" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-09-29 06:21 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-09-29 06:21 Pour : "KRnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : RE: Réf. : KR> Carb Heat/Carb ice The Zenith does have a venturi. You can even change it for different size engines. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Serge VIDAL Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:59 AM To: KRnet Subject: Réf. : KR> Carb Heat/Carb ice Yeah, I knew that too. But I also read carefully all available statistics on aircraft accidents in South Africa, and I saw that carb heat was almost never mentioned as a cause or even a contributing factor. What I just figured out now is why the Zenith/Stromberg does not ice easily. Because it hasn't got a Ventury. Simple. Serge Vidal larry flesner Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem.com@mylist.net 2005-09-28 15:47 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-09-28 15:50 Pour : KRnet cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Carb Heat/Carb ice > >Living in hot and sunny South Africa, where carb icing altogether is a >pretty rare occurrence, I felt happy with the answer, and I forgot >about it.. Serge Vidal +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Lycombing suggest the range of 20 to 90 degrees F for the possibility of carb icing. You could be getting a temp drop through the carb of 40+ degrees. Also mentioned was the fact that certified engines must be capable of raising the carb intake temp by 90 degrees F at 75% power. Your best chance for ice to form is on a warm (60 to 90 degree F) and humid day. Your carb may not have a venturi but the fuel vaporizing will cause a big temp drop and could contribute to carb ice. Do a google search for carb ice. Lots of info there. Larry Flesner _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 05:21:38 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Operating Handbooks To: Message-ID: <433BB222.000001.00168@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Check out this page, also available on the selection menu on the site. There are a lot of samples of such documents. http://krbuilder.org/WeightAndBalance/W&B_Documents.html See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:22:05 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : KR> Operating Handbooks To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Rich, I have made one for my KR2. I got inspiration from the Diamond Katana POH. I can E-mail you that as a Microsoft Word file. Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Rich Meyer" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-09-29 07:36 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-09-29 07:37 Pour : "'KRnet'" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Operating Handbooks As new owners of KR2 N26LT, (HAPI 1835) we're looking for a POH. I've printed out the thorough KR2S (Revmaster 2100) POH by Rob Schmitt and if necessary I can begin making revisions, but I just wondered if someone who has done a similar job for a KR2 would be willing to send it? Thanks, Rich _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 05:26:56 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: R?f. : KR> Operating Handbooks To: Message-ID: <433BB360.000005.00168@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Serge, Will you send it to me also? DanRH@AllTel.net See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- From: Serge VIDAL Date: 09/29/05 05:23:08 To: KRnet Subject: Réf. : KR> Operating Handbooks Rich, I have made one for my KR2. I got inspiration from the Diamond Katana POH. I can E-mail you that as a Microsoft Word file. Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Rich Meyer" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-09-29 07:36 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-09-29 07:37 Pour : "'KRnet'" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Operating Handbooks As new owners of KR2 N26LT, (HAPI 1835) we're looking for a POH. I've printed out the thorough KR2S (Revmaster 2100) POH by Rob Schmitt and if necessary I can begin making revisions, but I just wondered if someone who has done a similar job for a KR2 would be willing to send it? Thanks, Rich _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 05:53:12 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: R?f. : Re: R?f. : KR> Operating Handbooks To: Message-ID: <433BB988.000007.00168@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Serge Vidal POH is now posted at http://krbuilder org/WeightAndBalance/W&B_Documents.html Also available under "Documents" from the home page menu. I thought that I had seen this before. It is the one that I have based our POH on. Thanks, Serge..... See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:02:25 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> More carb ice? To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20050929.060444.2920.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ahh yes, that visible moisture gremlin, Virg On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:12:09 -0400 "Brian Kraut" writes: > Some people try to rationialize that they can not get carb ice and > don't > need heat because they don't fly in cold weather, their carb is > located on > top of the engine, or whatever. I have an example that might make > them > think twice. > > I had a 1976 Lincoln that got carb ice on two occasions. Both times > were > driving at night in very humid and slightly foggy conditions. I > would guess > that the temperature was in the 70s to 80s. I did have the air > conditioner > on both times. It was strange because I was driving a long time at > a > constant speed. I noticed that the gas pedal started going further > down and > I was loosing power until I had it flored and could only do about > 40. I > pulled over and looked under the hood and found nothing, but it > seemed to > fix itself. I did this three times then removed the air filter to > see if > the choke was closing and I noticed that the carb had condensation > on it and > was very cold. I figured that when I pulled over that the air flow > through > the carb slowed down and the heat rose from the engine and melted > the ice. > The next time it happened I stopped fast, jumped out and opened the > hood and > removed the air cleaner fast and saw the frost just melting off of > the carb. > > The point is that this was a carb on top of a hot engine in > condiditons > where you would not expect ice and it still happened. Install carb > heat. > It is not that hard. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of L. D. Mueller > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:25 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: KR> More carb ice? > > > Here's an article from flycorvair's site on carb ice. More good > reading. > > http://www.flycorvair.com/carbice.html > > > L. D. Mueller > __________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 05:30:08 -0500 From: "Bob Glidden" Subject: Re: KR> intake heat To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <011a01c5c4e0$c415ab40$6501a8c0@ADMINISTRATOR> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Jeff you are 100 percent correct.And it is to divert air around the filter and not anything like carb heat.It is more of a bypass valve. Bob Glidden Eminence,Indiana KR2S N181FW (building) Corvair 110 glidden@ccrtc.com > Bob, > I believe that if you check out a KCAB Citabria or a Decathelon, > you'll find an alternate air selector so you can switch away from the > filtered air. Other aircraft later added a spring loaded flapper > behind the air filter so the engine could still draw air should the > filter freeze over or become plugged for any other reason. > > Jeff Scott > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:18:31 +0200 From: "Dubi Gefen" Subject: KR> Amount of Epoxy/Adhesive to build the KR wings. To: Message-ID: <000001c5c4ef$ec87ae70$7407a8c0@privatevkzwc19> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello KRNet I would like to buy all the Epoxy/Adhesive required to build the Wings (Spars, Wings tank, Foam and Covering the foam of the wings by cloth and epoxy) You can let me know, roughly the amount of each one, the Base and Hardness for the follow list: Aeropoxy, E-Z Poxy, T-88 adhesive and for "4 Minute Epoxy" Regards Dov Gefen ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 05:23:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott William Subject: KR> Azusalite wheels To: KRnet Message-ID: <20050929122316.90056.qmail@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Anybody use these on thier KR, and what do ay think of them? Lighter than aluminum? Better or worse? Scott __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:58:20 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Azusalite wheels To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050929075820.00850aa0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Anybody use these on thier KR, and what do ay think of >them? Lighter than aluminum? Better or worse? >Scott +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Not sure which wheels you're talking about but check the load range that the wheels are rated for. If it's not indicated, call the supplier. As a ballpark rule of thumb, determine the weight you expect each wheel to carry and multiply by two unless you expect every landing to be a "greaser" and all runways to be as smooth as a babys bottom. This is strictly my opinion and not based on any scientific fact. My KR will fly as heavy as 1200 pounds, 600 on each main so I'd want a wheel rated for 1200 mininum. I'm not sure exactly what my 500X5 Clevelands are rated for but I'm sure they're up to the task. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:25:07 EDT From: FIXERJONES@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> risk management, To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" would you risk life,limb, and all thet hard work you did to get your plane flying, just to carb ice?? i know i would not ! i worked too hard for that risk to take. steve jones venice fl n212kr ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:40:14 EDT From: FIXERJONES@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Azusalite wheels To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <1a7.40163459.306d48be@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" i use the azusua alumn. 5" weel on my nose & clevelands on the mains,, steve jones n212kr ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:48:44 -0400 From: "Colin Rainey" Subject: KR> Carb Ice To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <410-22005942914484478@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII No matter how many examples pilots can say how they have not had any problems with carb icing, my question is: 1. Why take the risk? and 2. Do you really know what it is when it happens? I have iced 3 times here in Florida, at low altitudes below 2000 feet, and in all 3 cases it came on with symptoms akin to bad plugs, wires etc.... just like some KR builders have talked about when testing! My Zenith Carb iced at 1500 feet at nearly wide open throttle, so no wives tails about how that can't happen either. The Cessna 172R I flew just yesterday has fuel injection, NO alternate air (my correction there) throttle body unit located on bottom of engine for radiant heat, and still has the intake plumbed through the oil pan for further warming. None of these details are any KR builders using on carb or fuel injection. Fact is it can happen any where at any time when conditions are right. High humidity, correct temperature, and cooling fuel thru the carb and bingo, carb ice. Visible moisture makes it worse, but is not necessary. Not having carb heat, OR insufficient carb heat will lead to an unplanned landing! No venturi does NOT mean that you cannot get carb icing. The slider still causes a pressure drop in order for fuel to flow, and with the cooling effect of the fuel added to the intake air, you have carb ice. A quick check of most modern cars will show as Virgil pointed out that coolant is circulated in an area at or very near the throttlebody of all fuel injected cars and trucks. Ford is BSing you. Get the truck fixed. It has nothing to do with California. It has to do with them being lazy, and not wanting to do a repair that they can only bill Ford for 75% of customer pay! Builders do what you want, but a short study of accidents where an engine was lost for no apparent reason, and all the testaments here of its necessity, and do yourself a favor and install and maintain carb/intake heat. Colin Rainey brokerpilot96ta@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 19:35:13 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : KR> Carb Ice To: brokerpilot96ta@earthlink.net, KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" OK. I would not like anybody to get me wrong on this issue, and be accused of trying to push other builders to make widows and orphans. I believe that if you have a carb, then you would be well inspired to build a carb heat. This being said, there are many contributing factors to icing, and therefore, depending on where and when you fly, and how your engine is rigged, if you don't have a carb heat, then you might get away with it, as my aircraft did for more than 400 hours. In my case, the carb heat is not a legal requirement, and it is fairly low on my list of priorities. Of course, I will make one... ultimately. And in the mean time, I will rely on a combination of risk-reducing factors (airflow from inside the cockpit is one), plus the fact that the flight tests to reinstate the aircraft will take place at or in the immediate vicinity of a large airfield. (And I will avoid long descents with a low power setting, which are also a contributing factor) Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Colin Rainey" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-09-29 16:48 Veuillez répondre à brokerpilot96ta; Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-09-29 16:48 Pour : krnet@mylist.net cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Carb Ice No matter how many examples pilots can say how they have not had any problems with carb icing, my question is: 1. Why take the risk? and 2. Do you really know what it is when it happens? I have iced 3 times here in Florida, at low altitudes below 2000 feet, and in all 3 cases it came on with symptoms akin to bad plugs, wires etc.... just like some KR builders have talked about when testing! My Zenith Carb iced at 1500 feet at nearly wide open throttle, so no wives tails about how that can't happen either. The Cessna 172R I flew just yesterday has fuel injection, NO alternate air (my correction there) throttle body unit located on bottom of engine for radiant heat, and still has the intake plumbed through the oil pan for further warming. None of these details are any KR builders using on carb or fuel injection. Fact is it can happen any where at any time when conditions are right. High humidity, correct temperature, and cooling fuel thru the carb and bingo, carb ice. Visible moisture makes it worse, but is not necessary. Not having carb heat, OR insufficient carb heat will lead to an unplanned landing! No venturi does NOT mean that you cannot get carb icing. The slider still causes a pressure drop in order for fuel to flow, and with the cooling effect of the fuel added to the intake air, you have carb ice. A quick check of most modern cars will show as Virgil pointed out that coolant is circulated in an area at or very near the throttlebody of all fuel injected cars and trucks. Ford is BSing you. Get the truck fixed. It has nothing to do with California. It has to do with them being lazy, and not wanting to do a repair that they can only bill Ford for 75% of customer pay! Builders do what you want, but a short study of accidents where an engine was lost for no apparent reason, and all the testaments here of its necessity, and do yourself a favor and install and maintain carb/intake heat. Colin Rainey brokerpilot96ta@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:03:22 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> RE: Jeff Scott's Modifications To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004001c5c541$9c07f340$24a9443d@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Dan, Jeff She looks a Beautiful Aircraft Jeff, You must be very happy. Well done Phil Matheson mathesonp@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ http://corvair.vw-engines.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:01:21 -0600 From: Subject: Re: R?f. : KR> Operating Handbooks To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005401c5c538$f3345220$03edf004@Bill> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I would also appreciate a copy. ThankYou BillStarrs@peoplepc.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge VIDAL" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:22 AM Subject: Réf. : KR> Operating Handbooks Rich, I have made one for my KR2. I got inspiration from the Diamond Katana POH. I can E-mail you that as a Microsoft Word file. Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Rich Meyer" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-09-29 07:36 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-09-29 07:37 Pour : "'KRnet'" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Operating Handbooks As new owners of KR2 N26LT, (HAPI 1835) we're looking for a POH. I've printed out the thorough KR2S (Revmaster 2100) POH by Rob Schmitt and if necessary I can begin making revisions, but I just wondered if someone who has done a similar job for a KR2 would be willing to send it? Thanks, Rich _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 18:16:52 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: R?f. : KR> Operating Handbooks To: Message-ID: <433C67D4.000001.03504@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anyone who want the POH by Serge or any of the other ones, can go to http://krbuilder.org/WeightAndBalance/W&B_Documents.html and click on the one you want. It will be downloaded to your computer and you can do with it what you will. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- From: billstarrs@peoplepc.com Date: 09/29/05 18:06:02 To: KRnet Subject: Re: Réf. : KR> Operating Handbooks I would also appreciate a copy. ThankYou BillStarrs@peoplepc.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge VIDAL" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:22 AM Subject: Réf. : KR> Operating Handbooks Rich, I have made one for my KR2. I got inspiration from the Diamond Katana POH. I can E-mail you that as a Microsoft Word file. Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Rich Meyer" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-09-29 07:36 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-09-29 07:37 Pour : "'KRnet'" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Operating Handbooks As new owners of KR2 N26LT, (HAPI 1835) we're looking for a POH. I've printed out the thorough KR2S (Revmaster 2100) POH by Rob Schmitt and if necessary I can begin making revisions, but I just wondered if someone who has done a similar job for a KR2 would be willing to send it? Thanks, Rich _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 385 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================