From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 389 Date: 10/2/2005 9:00:31 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. glue joints (Chris Johnston) 2. Re: glue joints (L. D. Mueller) 3. Re: glue joints (Dan Heath) 4. glue joints (Don Chisholm) 5. Re: glue joints (Orma) 6. Re: glue joints (Allen Wiesner ) 7. Re: glue joints (Ed Janssen) 8. Trouble (Pat Driscoll) 9. From the FAA files... (Scott William) 10. Glue joints Come on! (Ron Smith) 11. glue joints (Don Chisholm) 12. Re: glue joints (Allen Wiesner ) 13. Live your dream (Mark Jones) 14. Corvairs- New update (Oscar Zuniga) 15. 2006 Gathering (Bob Glidden) 16. Live your dream (larry flesner) 17. Re: 2006 Gathering (larry flesner) 18. Re: Live your dream (raybeth123@sbcglobal.net) 19. Re: 2006 Gathering (Bob Glidden) 20. E-mail to Mark (raybeth123@sbcglobal.net) 21. Re: Glue joints Come on! (Steven Phillabaum) 22. Re: Live your dream (jscott.pilot@juno.com) 23. Re: Live your dream (Kenneth B. Jones) 24. No matter who says what LOGIC is king (Ron Smith) 25. using Key off/run/start switch as master? (Pond Family) 26. Re: using Key off/run/start switch as master? (Orma) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:22:34 +1000 From: "Chris Johnston" Subject: KR> glue joints To: Message-ID: <005e01c5c74b$f834ed60$5f4e20cb@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I need some advice on T-88 glue joints. I have a disc sander made from a wood lathe, which I use to get a perfect fit between parts, then coat both mating surfaces with T-88, and apply light pressure, I kept a sample of the epoxy, and a sample glue joint, which broke along the grain of the wood when tested. Can someone tell me if my bonding process is correct???? The sample epoxy set like epoxy should, although I have not been able to get a consistant opinion on what to do with it, some say break it and others say it is next to useless for testing purposes, and if you do break it, what do you look for?? I am pretty sure what I have done is correct, but It would pay to make sure that the process is 100 per cent done the right way. This may sound a bit silly, but what sort of processess do people use to mix there t-88 in correct proportions?? ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 07:28:30 -0500 From: "L. D. Mueller" Subject: Re: KR> glue joints To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001b01c5c74c$cd7adbb0$6500a8c0@LDM0D330DFBAF> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Questions for your question ; - ) : did the wood pull at the joint failure? Or was it the T88? What grit paper are you using for the joints? Too fine will result in a weak joint. L. D. Mueller ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Johnston" To: Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 7:22 AM Subject: KR> glue joints > I need some advice on T-88 glue joints. I have a disc sander made > from > a wood lathe, which I use to get a perfect fit between parts, then coat > both mating surfaces with T-88, and apply light pressure, I kept a sample > of the epoxy, and a sample glue joint, which broke along the grain of the > wood when tested. Can someone tell me if my bonding process is correct???? > The sample epoxy set like epoxy should, although I have not been able to > get a consistant opinion on what to do with it, some say break it and > others say it is next to useless for testing purposes, and if you do break > it, what do you look for?? I am pretty sure what I have done is correct, > but It would pay to make sure that the process is 100 per cent done the > right way. This may sound a bit silly, but what sort of processess do > people use to mix there t-88 in correct proportions?? > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 08:47:04 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> glue joints To: Message-ID: <433FD6C8.00000D.02888@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I squeeze the T-88 hardener onto a flat surface "pallet" that I am going to mix it on. Then beside it, I squeeze the resin. I try to get the same diameter and height circle for each. I do the hardener first because it settles slower. I have even drawn circles on the pallet to give me something to go by. The part should break, not the glue. Remember that if you squeeze the parts together too tight and have too smooth a surface, you will not get as good a bond. Squeezing too tight just squeezes the T-88 out of the joint. Don't take this as the "correct" bonding process, it is just the best way I have found to work with T-88. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- Can someone tell me if my bonding process is correct???? what sort of processess do people use to mix there t-88 in correct proportions?? ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 08:52:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> glue joints To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051002125217.5234.qmail@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 This may start a info storm on the kr net but it's my understanding that sanding end cuts is a no no for 2 reasons. first being a fresh cut exposes end grain of the wood and sanding knocks the exposed cut end of the long indiviual wood fiber over and the adhesive can't wick into the cut end. Second , the fine particle saw dust you are creating by sanding clogs the end cut . Most epoxies have a mixing variable of + or - 5 percent and T88 seems to tolerate mixing inaccuracies well ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 10:11:59 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> glue joints To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002a01c5c75b$42b29b80$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original One of the properties of epoxy is it's ability to soak into the wood. As the epoxy cures, the bonded epoxy includes the wood which had soaked up the epoxy. I believe what you say is correct to a point, but the soaking of epoxy into wood is completely blocked by the sanding process. On the other hand, the dust from sanding should be removed as completely as possible Orma ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 10:39:45 -0400 From: "Allen Wiesner " Subject: Re: KR> glue joints To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001801c5c75f$22e12c50$6d17da42@CPQ69645694259> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I use small, 3 oz. plastic cups available in the supermarket (Stop & Shop). I place one on the scale and pour (squeeze) equal amounts by weight in grams of resin and hardener into it. I then mix it up using "skinny craft sticks" from a local craft store (hardwood, 6" x 1/4" x 1/16"). I repeatedly scrape the sides of the cup and swirl the mixture until it is a uniform consistency. This has to be done gently, or a lot of small air bubbles will be trapped in the mix. I apply the glue to both surfaces, clamp, and scrape off the excess glue squeeze-out. I generally do not sand the wood surface, preferring to leave it as it comes from the saw. When I do have to sand for fitting purposes, I use a coarse sandpaper (or sanding stick) and blow air on the surface to remove as much sanding dust as possible. CAUTION If using an air compressor, make sure that there is no oil or water vapor mixed with the air. I will generally make 1 or 2 test glue joints from scrap spruce/ply and will leave the mixing/spreading stick in the leftover glue in the cup. The next day I will see if it has hardened and if it can be popped out of the cup as one solid chunk. I will test the wood strips by breaking them apart, and want to see the wood break, NOT the glue. Allen G. Wiesner KR-2SS/TD S/N 1118 65 Franklin Street Ansonia, CT 06401-1240 (203) 732-0508 flashyal@usadatanet.net ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 09:59:22 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR> glue joints To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002a01c5c761$dfbae5d0$9700a8c0@dad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I also weigh out T-88, but not 1:1 ratio like you would mixing by volume. Since I haven't mixed it for a while, I don't remember the exact ratio, but I think you use slightly less hardener. However, mixing 1:1 by weight is probably within tolerance. I also use those tongue depresser-like sticks from your favorite hobby center. I square off the rounded ends on my disc sander to make it easier to get into the bottom corner of the cup while stirring. For small amounts, I've simple used a small square of cardboard for mixing. Ed Ed Janssen mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Wiesner " To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:39 AM Subject: Re: KR> glue joints > I use small, 3 oz. plastic cups available in the supermarket (Stop & Shop). > I place one on the scale and pour (squeeze) equal amounts by weight in grams > of resin and hardener into it. I then mix it up using "skinny craft sticks" > from a local craft store (hardwood, 6" x 1/4" x 1/16"). I repeatedly scrape > the sides of the cup and swirl the mixture until it is a uniform > consistency. This has to be done gently, or a lot of small air > bubbles will > be trapped in the mix. > > I apply the glue to both surfaces, clamp, and scrape off the excess > glue squeeze-out. > > I generally do not sand the wood surface, preferring to leave it as it comes > from the saw. When I do have to sand for fitting purposes, I use a > coarse sandpaper (or sanding stick) and blow air on the surface to > remove as much sanding dust as possible. CAUTION If using an air > compressor, make sure that there is no oil or water vapor mixed with > the air. > > I will generally make 1 or 2 test glue joints from scrap spruce/ply > and will > leave the mixing/spreading stick in the leftover glue in the cup. The next > day I will see if it has hardened and if it can be popped out of the > cup as > one solid chunk. I will test the wood strips by breaking them apart, > and want to see the wood break, NOT the glue. > > Allen G. Wiesner KR-2SS/TD S/N 1118 > 65 Franklin Street > Ansonia, CT 06401-1240 > > (203) 732-0508 > > flashyal@usadatanet.net > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 12:20:09 -0500 From: "Pat Driscoll" Subject: KR> Trouble To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003801c5c775$8aa027e0$0500a8c0@PREFERREE6A566> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thank you all for your replies. I still don't know what happened but untill today, the last krnet email I received was from Brian Sellers on Aug. 26. I do not even have mesages in my junk mail. I did receive all of today's messages (Glue) and have done nothing different so i have no idea what happened Seems to be working fine now Pat Driscoll Saint Paul, MN patrick36@usfamily.net --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 11:33:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott William Subject: KR> From the FAA files... To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051002183323.62001.qmail@web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 This one caught my attention..... .........."The fuel system consisted of a Rubbermaid five gallon container connected to the engine with plastic tubing and operated by a hand wobble pump. The carburetor heat system consisted of PVC plumbing pipe held together and secured to both the engine exhaust system and the carburetor with RTV sealant". __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 11:50:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Smith Subject: KR> Glue joints Come on! To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051002185046.73230.qmail@web81709.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sanding a surface makes it a poor glue joint? Try making examples of sanded and saw cut joints and test them. There will be no appreciable difference. Ron Smith Kr2ssxl Cypress Ca U.S.A. mercedesmann@yahoo.com http://ronsmith.myphotoalbum.com/albums.php ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 15:36:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Chisholm Subject: KR> glue joints To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051002193610.54838.qmail@web88011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 if you need a reference for proper gluing techniques you'll find a back up to what has been mentioned earlier on the krnet today in the EAA how to series " Building the Custom Aircraft With Wood volume 1 on page 20 titled " Glues And Gluing" No point in reinventing the wheel and ignoring previous experience . Sanding a glue joint may work but I'm not willing to put my butt on the line to prove something that is questionable ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 15:59:20 -0400 From: "Allen Wiesner " Subject: Re: KR> glue joints To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000701c5c78b$c7f0b630$2718da42@CPQ69645694259> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original >I also weigh out T-88, but not 1:1 ratio like you would mixing by >volume. Since I haven't mixed it for a while, I don't remember the >exact ratio, but I think you use slightly less hardener. Your right, I had an attack of CRS this morning. The correct ratio (which I have on the bottles in large magic marker) is 13 (resin) to 11 (hardener). As I said, I measure in grams and multiply (or divide) as req. Sorry for the error. Allen G. Wiesner KR-2SS/TD S/N 1118 65 Franklin Street Ansonia, CT 06401-1240 (203) 732-0508 flashyal@usadatanet.net ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:04:37 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Live your dream To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <004301c5c7ae$0b7856c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am talking about your KR dream. This morning my three year old daughter crawled in bed with us at about 4am. That in itself is a dream come true to have your three year old daughter snuggle up to you in the wee morning hours but today was a different story. She began snoring right in my ear. Then she started tossing and turning and the next thing I knew was that I had this tiny foot digging into my ribs. There was no room to scoot over out of the way so I just rolled over and got out of bed and let her have my spot. So I decided what the heck and stumbled downstairs and turned on the coffee pot then went and took a quick shower to wake up, shaved, dressed, grabbed some coffee and headed to the airport. I arrived at my hanger at 5:15am and preflighted the KR in the car headlights. I was airborne at 5:30am with a good hour till civil sunrise. I flew all around the city enjoying the lights, smooth air and cool air. At 3000' I hit a headwind and backed the throttle off till I showed 90 mph indicated on the AIS. The GPS showed a ground speed of 70mph. I felt like I was flying a J-3 as I slowly crossed the city watching the glistening lights below. After a while, I turned 180° and very quickly attained 110mph without increasing the throttle. Then I applied full throttle and watched as the ground speed on the GPS raced up to 165mph. What a blast I was having. Watching the world come alive from above is something all of you need to do. The sun began rising over Lake Michigan giving me a spectacular view of the planet I live on. Anyway, after enjoying the sun rise, I touched down at 7am and logged another 1.5 hours in my books after tucking her away back in the hanger. An hour and a half later the family and I were in church and I was thanking God for blessing me with all that he had given me. Just thought I would share that bit of inspiration. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:22:31 -0500 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> Corvairs- New update To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com, krnet@mylist.net, corvaircraft@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed William has just posted a series of photos and notes dealing with Corvair engine installation details, at http://flycorvair.com/hangar.html Some good hints and tips for anyone building and flying not just Corvairs, but general good info for firewall forward. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:26:35 -0500 From: "Bob Glidden" Subject: KR> 2006 Gathering To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000e01c5c7b1$1d67ae00$6501a8c0@ADMINISTRATOR> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Netters Have we came up with a date for next years gathering yet.I have a church retreat that we need to schedule a year in advance and I do not want the two weekends to conflict.I'm not sure who is setting the date,so if anyone has any thoughts on the matter or has heard anything it would be great..... Bob Glidden Eminence,Indiana KR2S N181FW (building) Corvair 110 glidden@ccrtc.com ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:30:14 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: KR> Live your dream To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20051002193014.00840cb0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mark, Your having TOO MUCH FUN !!!!! I'm gonna tell on you to God. I hope he doesn't ask me about the 1.5 hours I got in he KR yesterday doing a poker run. I don't think he likes gambling ! :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:35:34 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> 2006 Gathering To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20051002193534.007d5a20@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:26 PM 10/2/05 -0500, you wrote: >Netters >Have we came up with a date for next years gathering yet. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I talked to the airport manager yesterday and it looks like the dates will be the last weekend in September, 29 and 30 I think. That's the same weekend that another airport in the general area has a fly-in and the airport manager said they have perfect weather every year. I guess we'll see. Most replys I got wanted it late September or first week in October. I'll check the calander and make it official in the next day or two. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:38:44 -0500 From: Subject: Re: KR> Live your dream To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004001c5c7b2$cf940e60$4f4c9445@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Mark, A beautiful experienceand so aptly expressed. I am often amazed at the beautiful sights and sounds we are priviledged to see and share here on God's beautiful earth. This afternoon, my wife, Beth, and I watched, on the Travel Channel, Bryce Canyon and Zion National Parks. One of my Grandsons and I visited these two places in 1991 after I retired. " When I consider the earth, the moon, the stars, the handiwork of Your hands, who is man that you are mindful of him?" Not a direct quote, but hopefully close. I am hoping to see more of it from a few thousand feet above from my KR2S before and on the way to Mt. Vernon next year. Thanks for sharing your experience with us. Ray Goree Arlington, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 7:04 PM Subject: KR> Live your dream I am talking about your KR dream. This morning my three year old daughter crawled in bed with us at about 4am. That in itself is a dream come true to have your three year old daughter snuggle up to you in the wee morning hours but today wasfrom KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:42:04 -0500 From: "Bob Glidden" Subject: Re: KR> 2006 Gathering To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002401c5c7b3$46d33f50$6501a8c0@ADMINISTRATOR> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Now that is timing Larry.I was on the phone with a guy from church setting up the cabins for next year when you emailed the dates.Now as long as nothing changes I will be at both...Thanks Bob Glidden Eminence,Indiana KR2S N181FW (building) Corvair 110 glidden@ccrtc.com ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:49:28 -0500 From: Subject: KR> E-mail to Mark To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005b01c5c7b4$4f75d450$4f4c9445@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I did it again---hit the reply key, thinking I was sending to Mark. Ray Ray Goree 817-795-4779 ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 21:04:26 -0400 From: Steven Phillabaum Subject: Re: KR> Glue joints Come on! To: KRnet Message-ID: <4enh25$1g9p4kn@mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Sanding a surface makes it a poor glue joint? Yes, according to the FAA. and EAA sites. Sanding should be finished with a 120 grit paper if you must. BUT. The Rand Robinson assembly manual states on page 11. Under "Fuselage Sides" fifth paragraph down. "...A sanding disc mounted on a table saw or radial arm saw will come in handy at this time for shaping the gusset blocks." Also most of the joints are also backed up with plywood skin which also acts like a gusset. Its your choice to build as you see fit. Just keep your glue joints from starving. Steven Phillabaum KR2S; 5048; corvair; Auburn, Alabama ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:13:58 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> Live your dream To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051002.201359.3860.0.jscott.pilot@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:30:14 -0500 larry flesner writes: > > > Mark, > > Your having TOO MUCH FUN !!!!! > > I'm gonna tell on you to God. I hope he doesn't ask me about the 1.5 > hours I got in he KR yesterday doing a poker run. I don't think he > likes gambling ! :-) > > Larry Flesner > With perfect weather here in the Northern NM mountains, I got to log another 1.5 on my KR this morning as well. I got to do a fly-over of the mountains to view the Aspens at the peak of their most brilliant fall colors, then descended from 12,500 to 8500' pattern altitude at 190 kts. Had to scrub off 100kts of speed to get slow enough to drop the flaps for the approach. Boy have I missed having this plane to fly for the last few months. Dan Heath was kind enough to put up one last photo of my KR in it's finished colors at http://www.krbuilder.org/JeffScott/index.html Jeff Scott N1213W ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:22:32 -0400 From: "Kenneth B. Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Live your dream To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007f01c5c7c1$500d4670$8d7ba8c0@oemcomputer> Friday, I went for a $100 dollar hamburger (actually $120 a barbeque). It was only $120 because my brothers paid for the barbeque and I only paid for the gas. KHAO/KEKY/KHAO is 774 nautical miles, avoiding Cincinnati & Birmingham airspace (no transponder). Flying time was 6.4 hours in the Porkopolis Pig. If you ask me why I would fly from Ohio to Alabama and back for a sandwich, for once I have to quote Bill Clinton, "Because I could" (and I hadn't seen my brothers for a while). Before I got out of the KR at KHAO, a friend asked me to co-pilot his Bonanza on a mercy mission taking 2 "soon to be doctors" from KHEF to KBTR to help in the relief effort there. We did that Saturday from KHAO and returned the same day. The trip took about twice as long. Different planes have different missions. We couldn't have done this in the KR, but if we could have, it would have been more exciting and more fun, even if not as comfortable. :-) Ken Jones, kenbjones@cinci.rr.com Sharonville, OH N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:02:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Smith Subject: KR> No matter who says what LOGIC is king To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051003030256.42424.qmail@web81707.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Steven Phillabaum wrote: > Sanding a surface makes it a poor glue joint? Yes, according to the FAA. and EAA sites. Make test pieces of cut and sanded joints and break them. They will both break in the wood if the T88 is mixed properly.. Ron Smith Kr2ssxl Cypress Ca U.S.A. mercedesmann@yahoo.com http://ronsmith.myphotoalbum.com/albums.php ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:14:01 -0400 From: "Pond Family" Subject: KR> using Key off/run/start switch as master? To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Gentlemen Is it acceptable to use the Keyed off/run/start switch as master switch (battery solenoid)? I have children and figure that might help keep them in check well were playing at the airport. Or should I simply add another switch to the panel? This is for a stock KR2 with 1835vw with dual electronic ignition, alternator, starter and single battery set up. Darren Pond Cambridge Ontario Canada ponds27@rogers.com Live to Play and Play to Live ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:58:46 -0400 From: "Orma" Subject: Re: KR> using Key off/run/start switch as master? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006301c5c7ce$c28825a0$0302a8c0@ROBBINS1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original At one time I had a do all one switch, and it had a momentary failure in flight. I bet my heart did not beat again until the plane came back to life. I landed and replaced the switch and immediately modified the plane to install a high grade switch for the Ignition only( Battery 009 ). If you were to have a short in the system that could start a fire, the only way to stop the fire would be to stop the engine. I don't think it is the best option. On most commercially built aircraft they even isolate the communications equipment so that system shorts can't harm the radio's. Orma Southfield, MI KR-2 N110LR 1984 See Tweety at http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com See other KR spces at www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/krinfo.htm ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 389 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================