From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 394 Date: 10/5/2005 9:00:30 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: instrument suggestions (Richard Green) 2. RE: Radio suggestions (Rich Meyer) 3. Engine ran OK tied down, now about mixture control . . . (Rich Meyer) 4. Re: Radio suggestions (3343V) 5. R?f. : KR> RE: TLA (Serge VIDAL) 6. R?f. : Re: R?f. : Re: R?f. : Re: R?f. : KR> Carb Ice (Serge VIDAL) 7. RE: Radio suggestions (larry flesner) 8. RE: Radio suggestions (Jeff Scott) 9. RE: Radio suggestions (Rich Meyer) 10. Re: Radio suggestions (JAMES FERRIS) 11. EAA Tech Inspectors (Scott William) 12. Re: EAA Tech Inspectors (Bob Glidden) 13. RE: Radio suggestions (Scott William) 14. Re: EAA Tech Inspectors (jscott.pilot@juno.com) 15. photos of 20yr old KR (Lee Van Dyke) 16. RE: photos of 20yr old KR (Ronald R.Eason) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:44:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Green Subject: Re: KR> instrument suggestions To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051005044436.63684.qmail@web81602.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 http://www.grtavionics.com/EFIS%20Flyer.pdf larry flesner wrote:At 01:41 PM 10/4/05 -0700, you wrote: >The future is GPS, if you plan to go to fly-ins (X-country). Lowrance >1000 >can be gotten for $499. > >Larry Severson ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In my opinion, the Lowrance 1000 is much too large for the KR cockpit. I tried one once and it seemed half the size of my panel. The Lowrance 500 is much more reasonable in size and can be had for $349. I intend to get one for $249 with the $100 rebate letter I got from Lowrance for turning in an old non-functioning Lowrance 300. If your are years away from flying I'd suggest you not buy anything yet. As to the AC instruments, I wouldn't mess with trying to get them to work. They are more hassle than they are worth. I purchased an electric gyro horizon once that was working fine when removed from an airplane, so I was told. Turns out it is a 28volt, 400Hz unit that came with a converter for a 12VDC system. The converter doesn't work, the instrument is shot, and I'm out $25 in phone bills trying to find someone to work on it, not to mention my time. If you're starting from scratch, consider going the Dynon route or whatever that solid state 10 in one instrument is. $2000 seems steep but price out the instruments it replaces and see what you come up with. On the engine instruments, wait until you know what engine you will be using. I'd suggest going with electric instruments whenever possible, i.e. , oil temp, oil press, tach, etc as that keeps hot oil lines out of the cockpit and trying to run a tach cable, etc. I forgot who started this thread but it sounds as if they have been out of aviation for a while, are a low time pilot, or both. This is not a put down, just an observation from the questions asked. I'd suggest you find a local EAA chapter of builders and pick their brains, buy the Tony Bingelis books, and in general , try to determine just what type of an airplane will fill the bill for the type of flying you intend to do. It might save considerable time and money. Also, if you stay with the KR, I'd highly suggest you make the Gathering next year and soak up several days of KR info. Larry Flesner _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:04:17 -0500 From: "Rich Meyer" Subject: RE: KR> Radio suggestions To: , "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <003c01c5c972$a3864e70$3decfea9@RHM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Any advice about whether to keep the LORAN now hanging under the panel where my knees need to go? I think we'll be re-doing the panel this winter. We have no VOR in the panel, since we'll clip a handheld GPS to the panel, will we ever use the LORAN? Rich Meyer -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Colin Rainey Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 9:55 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Radio suggestions Jeff . . . ADF is only needed if you plan on using older CDI instruments that require the ADF as part of an instrument approach, like our ILS at Sanford. It requires for the ADF to be there in the event of a missed approach, to use the NDB for the missed procedure. This is in the event of lost comms because ATC always gives you alternate missed instructions anyway. The FAA is decommissioning most of the NDB transmitters due to GPS, and only keeping a few for some remote airports that would be negatively effected. I would also not invest in an RMI as they are also disappearing in favor of GPS. If you have to have an analog instrument then invest in an HSI (horizontal situation indicator). 3 instruments in one, and makes analog navigation a breeze. Just some thoughts... Colin Rainey brokerpilot96ta@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:04:17 -0500 From: "Rich Meyer" Subject: KR> Engine ran OK tied down, now about mixture control . . . To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <003d01c5c972$a7282d50$3decfea9@RHM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jim, Good to read about your flying for the crowd. Are you still using a Posa carb? Three weeks ago I bought a KR2, N26LT. I ran the engine (HAPI 1835 with Posa carb) today for the first time, it ran nice. After running it for twenty minutes at a variety of power settings, I checked the valve lash and compression. When I pulled the plugs, they were black and sooty. I read Jim Faughn's article from December 2001 on fixing the fuel needle. I found it on Ryan Young's webpage, with his diagram. This is the first I've worked with a Posa carb -- I'm an auto mechanic and farmer, I know something about carbs, both simple and complicated, and I'm willing to work with this carb, not convinced that I need to replace it. But I am a newbie at it, and I don't have any paperwork on the carb that I can find. And I sure would like to be able to adjust the mixture in flight. I'm told the builder of this plane leaned the mixture in flight by slowly shutting the fuel valve off. A couple questions: Jim adjusted the profile of the main fuel needle, right? Are "supercarb" modification (that allows in-flight mixture adjustment) plans available? Jim, you don't have this, do you? Other advice for me now? Thanks, Rich Meyer 13416 CR 44 Millersburg IN 46543 cptcsd@npcc.net phone 574-642-3963 cell 574-202-3920 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 02:23:50 -0500 From: "3343V" <3343v@swbell.net> Subject: Re: KR> Radio suggestions To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001d01c5c97d$be787ef0$0c00a8c0@Katana> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Rich Meyer wrote: > Any advice about whether to keep the LORAN now hanging under the panel > where my knees need to go? I think we'll be re-doing the panel this > winter. We have no VOR in the panel, since we'll clip a handheld GPS > to the panel, will we ever use the LORAN? Does the LORAN work? I've never seen one that does, and since GPS has completely replaced it no one is bothering to fix them anymore. I'd say ditch it. -- Steve 3343v@swbell.net N3343V- '75 C150M N205FT- KR1 #6170 He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:21:42 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : KR> RE: TLA To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, not environmental friendly for sure! Don't you think our machines pollute enough already? Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France larry flesner Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-10-03 23:18 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-10-03 23:21 Pour : KRnet cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> RE: TLA > >My personal TLA (Three letter acronym) is LRB. Every airplane should >have a >LRB (little red button) >Jack cooper ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++== My KR has one (LRB) (primer) and the last time I used it I caught the engine on fire !!! I haven't pressed it since. I'm thinking of converting it to a smoke system for fly-bys. A small Facut pump, a small can of smoke oil, and inject it into the exhaust. Whata ya think???? Larry Flesner _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:31:33 +0200 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : Re: R?f. : Re: R?f. : Re: R?f. : KR> Carb Ice To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That will make my wife sleep better. I don't know if ZS-WEC was buiIt solidly enought, but I can testify that the undercarriage is veeery strong! ;-) ! Incidentally , I've done quite a lot of edges smoothing since I bought the plane. Serge "DENE COLLETT (SA)" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem.com@mylist.net 2005-10-04 20:35 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-10-04 20:28 Pour : "KRnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: Réf. : Re: Réf. : Re: Réf. : KR> Carb Ice Serge Well now that you ask, there is that huge knot in the main spar botom cap and the three mild steel wing attach fittings but those are all minor things not to worry about. LOL .Seriously, that plane was built pretty solidly although a bit rough around the edges. There were a few things that I would have changed but more for aesthetic reasons than anything else. Nothing else comes to mind at the moment. Regards Dene Collett KR2S builder Freelance whisper assembler South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Serge VIDAL To: KRnet Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 11:19 AM Subject: Réf. : Re: Réf. : Re: Réf. : KR> Carb Ice _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 07:02:45 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: RE: KR> Radio suggestions To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20051005070245.008688e0@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:04 AM 10/5/05 -0500, you wrote: >Any advice about whether to keep the LORAN now hanging under the panel >where my knees need to go? >Rich Meyer +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Rich, I think your question pretty much answers itself. Even if you don't need the knee room, I'd dump the LORAN. I had a loran in the Tripacer and never used it in the 500 hours I put on the plane. A good handheld GPS and a nice handheld nav / com radio is really all you need in a KR. A transponder / encoder would be nice, or maybe required, depending on where your home base is or where you want to fly in to. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:10:07 GMT From: "Jeff Scott" Subject: RE: KR> Radio suggestions To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051005.061052.12009.63997@webmail05.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain The LORAN could easily be replaced by a small lead brick of equivilant weight. Unless you want to carry excess weight, toss it. FWIW, I still have a LORAN in my Tomahawk. I turn it on for every flight just to see how often it agrees with the GPS, which is really rare. I really should remove it as excess weight. I fly with the Lowrance 2000c GPS, which in my opinion fits my KR cockpit just fine. Once you use the bright color screen, you'll wonder why you ever put up with a grayscale GPS. They can also be bought at less than the advertised price of the Lowrance 1000 if you shop around. A friend brought a brand new one home from Oshkosh for under $500. Mine was $650 with my old airmap as trade. Jeff Scott -- "Rich Meyer" wrote: Any advice about whether to keep the LORAN now hanging under the panel where my knees need to go? I think we'll be re-doing the panel this winter. We have no VOR in the panel, since we'll clip a handheld GPS to the panel, will we ever use the LORAN? Rich Meyer ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:36:41 -0500 From: "Rich Meyer" Subject: RE: KR> Radio suggestions To: "'KRnet'" Cc: Max Mertz , Jonathan Wieand , Eric Kanagy Message-ID: <001001c5c9ba$47be48c0$3decfea9@RHM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It worked for the last pilot, he used it (pre-GPS) Indiana - Florida and back. I've never used LORAN in my life, just want to know if in a plane that doesn't have VOR, maybe a (working) LORAN deserves panel space & weight. Back-up for when the GPS fails? Rich -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of 3343V Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 2:24 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Radio suggestions Rich Meyer wrote: > Any advice about whether to keep the LORAN now hanging under the panel > where my knees need to go? I think we'll be re-doing the panel this > winter. We have no VOR in the panel, since we'll clip a handheld GPS > to the panel, will we ever use the LORAN? Does the LORAN work? I've never seen one that does, and since GPS has completely replaced it no one is bothering to fix them anymore. I'd say ditch it. -- Steve 3343v@swbell.net N3343V- '75 C150M N205FT- KR1 #6170 He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:15:20 -0400 From: JAMES FERRIS Subject: Re: KR> Radio suggestions To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051006.131520.184.0.mijnil@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I had a tripacer andsoldhalf of it to Jeff Viken so his wife could learn to fly and he put a LORAN in it and used it to navigate from Yorktown, Va. to Barabo Wis. many times it worked very good and you tune in a radio station 1000 miles away and navigate with it and it would also give the groung speed, i think it was great. Sincerely Jim ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:31:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott William Subject: KR> EAA Tech Inspectors To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051005203150.80740.qmail@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Recently, since I am embarking on this venture of building the KR, I decided to hunt down my local EAA chapter and possibly join. Upon speaking to them, thier one and only tech inspector recently passed from a long illness. Now, here comes reality: I am a member of a bunch of clubs that i really don't have time for now, and joining another just isn't something I want to do. I'm sure they are a great bunch of folks, but I just can't split myself a million ways. So, my question is this: Is it absolutely necesasry to have EAA tech inspections during the building process? Will the FAA look unfavorably upon me if I don't? Scott __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:26:12 -0500 From: "Bob Glidden" Subject: Re: KR> EAA Tech Inspectors To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001e01c5ca04$2cf28b60$6401a8c0@ADMINISTRATOR> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Scott I'm not using a tech Inspector on my project and I think there has been many people that have not used them.They are really there if you need that added piece on mind or a second set of eyes if you do want something looked at.That being said,generally tech Inspectors are generally great help if you do have any questions and if I were building a home built airplane I would drop a useless club you get nothing out of and support EAA.Just my thoughts,but you can gain a lot of info from most EAA chapters.I would get someone else either a A&P or somebody to look at your spars before you close them up...... Bob Glidden Eminence,Indiana KR2S N181FW (building) Corvair 110 glidden@ccrtc.com ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:51:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott William Subject: RE: KR> Radio suggestions To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051006005136.63554.qmail@web31514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Ummmmm.........pilotage and dead reckoning? Always works for me. Flew central Florida to the Carolinas and back mucho times with a compass and a chart. Lots of fun....you folks that are awash in technology need to get back to the basic fun stuff.... :-) Stick and rudder baby!! Scott --- Rich Meyer wrote: > It worked for the last pilot, he used it (pre-GPS) > Indiana - Florida and > back. I've never used LORAN in my life, just want > to know if in a plane > that doesn't have VOR, maybe a (working) LORAN > deserves panel space & > weight. Back-up for when the GPS fails? > Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf > Of 3343V > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 2:24 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> Radio suggestions > > > Rich Meyer wrote: > > Any advice about whether to keep the LORAN now > hanging under the panel > > where my knees need to go? I think we'll be > re-doing the panel this > > winter. We have no VOR in the panel, since we'll > clip a handheld GPS > > to the panel, will we ever use the LORAN? > > Does the LORAN work? I've never seen one that does, > and since GPS has > completely replaced it no one is bothering to fix > them anymore. I'd say > ditch it. > -- > Steve > 3343v@swbell.net > N3343V- '75 C150M > N205FT- KR1 #6170 > He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be > let in. > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net please > see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:33:43 -0600 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> EAA Tech Inspectors To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051005.193347.2564.0.jscott.pilot@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Scott, Technical counselors are there to help you, but are in no way a requirement. The technical counselor and flight advisor programs are EAA programs that are in place to help you build a better airplane and to help you do a self evaluation of your skills to fly that plane when it's done. What you get is free inspections and advice from someone that has built at least one plane and completed test flying of that aircraft. These are people with the real world experience to answer your questions with sage advice from someone who has been there. The EAA recommends a minimum of three phased inspections. None are required. More inspections and advice are available. There is no charge for this program. The most I ever received for flying 100+ miles and spending a day with a builder was lunch. There is no requirement that you be a member of a local chapter, athough it would be nice if you could contribute back to the group that's there to help you. I have probably done more inspections for non-members than for local chapter members and participated as a tech counselor with no chapter association for two years. When it comes time for the FAA inspection, some DARs want to see that you have been working with a tech counselor as it helps them to know what's gone into the plane. Others could care less. There is no requirement. With regards to insurance, few insurance companies will issue hull coverage on a home built plane for the first 10 hours of flight unless the builder participated in the tech counselor and flight advisor programs. Keep in mind, that is only HULL insurance. I have never seen any insurance companies withhold liability insurance for not participating in those programs. Join the national EAA and the local chapter as a way to contribute back for a program that is there to help you. Attend when/if you can. Use the Tech Counselor as the resource he's meant to be. If you can't afford either the time or money join the local chapter, just join the national EAA, but use the programs. They are there to help you. Jeff Scott N1213W A&P Former Tech Counselor and Flight Advisor. On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Scott William writes: > > Recently, since I am embarking on this venture of > building the KR, I decided to hunt down my local EAA > chapter and possibly join. Upon speaking to them, > thier one and only tech inspector recently passed from > a long illness. Now, here comes reality: I am a member > of a bunch of clubs that i really don't have time for > now, and joining another just isn't something I want > to do. I'm sure they are a great bunch of folks, but I > just can't split myself a million ways. So, my > question is this: Is it absolutely necesasry to have > EAA tech inspections during the building process? > Will the FAA look unfavorably upon me if I don't? > > Scott > ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:38:59 -0700 From: "Lee Van Dyke" Subject: KR> photos of 20yr old KR To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000a01c5ca16$ba87cb40$6401a8c0@SNAKEBITE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Netters, Click on the link to see the first photos of my KR2 in the air. I'm haveing a great time.... keep building...yyyyeeeeeeehhhhaaaaaaaaaa........ http://vandyke5.com/Airport.htm scroll to the bottom Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ Lee@vandyke5.com ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 22:20:37 -0500 From: "Ronald R.Eason" Subject: RE: KR> photos of 20yr old KR To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000f01c5ca24$ec8faf00$6601a8c0@CADENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Lee, Beautiful KR and I love the paint scheme. KRron -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Lee Van Dyke Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:39 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR> photos of 20yr old KR Netters, Click on the link to see the first photos of my KR2 in the air. I'm haveing a great time.... keep building...yyyyeeeeeeehhhhaaaaaaaaaa........ http://vandyke5.com/Airport.htm scroll to the bottom Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ Lee@vandyke5.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 394 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================