From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 402 Date: 10/11/2005 2:06:36 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. (no subject) (Joe Beyer) 2. Fuselage lofting (Bavo) 3. Looking for a spar builder (IFLYKRS@aol.com) 4. Re: Fuselage lofting (Ron Smith) 5. Fun Friday.....Don't look Ethal!! (Larry H.) 6. Re: Fun Friday.....Don't look Ethal!! (Rick Anderson) 7. Re: Looking for a spar builder (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 8. Re: Fuselage lofting (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 9. Re: Fuselage lofting (Scott William) 10. Height (Cris.) 11. Re: Spitfire (Martindale Family) 12. Re: Height (larry flesner) 13. RE: New Web Page (Jim Sellars) 14. Lights (Wood, Sidney M.) 15. Re: Lights (larry flesner) 16. Re: Lights (Jeff Scott) 17. Re: Fuselage lofting (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 18. (no subject) (Ronald R.Eason) 19. Re: R?f. : KR> Spitfire (DENE COLLETT (SA)) 20. RE: Fuselage lofting (Ron Freiberger) 21. Re: Fuselage lofting (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:01:23 -0700 From: "Joe Beyer" Subject: KR> (no subject) To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message: 17 Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 21:46:00 -0500 From: Lane Meyer-Reed Subject: RE KR> carbs and flaps To: KRnet Message-ID: <4349D5E8.7010608@bnin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >1. We have a simple Posa carb (32mm throat) on an 1835 HAPI VW >engine. I guess no one does the "supercarb" retrofit to adjustable >mixture anymore, so my question is, how many of you out there are >flying with carbs like this, no mixture control? If we should get a >different carb, can we have a few recommendations without starting a >small war between opposing factions? >2. We're removing the retracts and mounting fixed Diehl tri-gear. >Someone said we should consider some kind of speed-brake, either >belly-board or flaps, since we won't be dropping draggy gear any more. >Advice? If you write direct, please write to both of us, Rich is the >cc address above. >Lanemr@bnin.net It shouldn't be too hard to install a mixture into a POSA carb. I have a super carb from HAPI and it works fine. A mixture control is essential in a carb like that. I have a couple of extra ones I'm going to modify with a mixture control sometime soon. My plane is 24 yrs old. It's always been kept hangared. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:30:24 +1000 From: Bavo Subject: KR> Fuselage lofting To: KRnet Message-ID: <830558f90510102130j7317d2b4se63094a4b6595964@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Folks, A quick check of the archives shows that this issue has been discussed briefly before, but I wasn't a member then, so please excuse my question... I'm just in the process of laying out the full size plans on the workbench, and am wondering about the perspective that the plans were drawn from. ie. They look at the measurements of the finished boat, not the flat fuse sides. Has anyone got a plan of the actual flat fuse side available (with the top longeron bent upward slightly), or do I need to draw it up myself? Thanks, John. -- http://au.geocities.com/johnbavington ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:55:39 EDT From: IFLYKRS@aol.com Subject: KR> Looking for a spar builder To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Want to know if there is anybody interested in building up a couple sets of KR2S spars for me. Preferably somebody who has done them before and still has their table. I am currently looking into building complete outboard wing sections on a jig but need some spars. I dont have the plans or the table at this time. Will negotiate a price for them as well. I may have stub wing skins soon (6 months to a year) for the new airfoil. Let you know. Thanks. Bill ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:16:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Smith Subject: Re: KR> Fuselage lofting To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051011061655.98439.qmail@web81701.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- Bavo wrote: > They look at the measurements of the finished boat, > not the flat fuse sides. > Has anyone got a plan of the actual flat fuse side > available (with the top > longeron bent upward slightly), or do I need to draw > it up myself? > Thanks, > John. > > Hi John, You might consider building the fuselage without the taper. I built mine 90 degree sides and it makes so many things easier. It is simple to do, just keep the top measurements the same on the bottom and keep it square. Think of the advantages just in cutting the crossmembers! Remember all your joints must have a 90 percent face contact. Multiple angles make that very difficult. People also worry about how to measure line level. I don't. My longeron is perfectly level and everything is measured from it. I think that was the best modification I have done to date. I would not build a future KR with the taper. See my project on the KRNET below. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:29:36 -0500 From: "Larry H." Subject: KR>Fun Friday.....Don't look Ethal!! To: "KRNET" Message-ID: <00af01c5ce24$c51ca320$6401a8c0@boss1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dana, Do you have that RV Flying Yet? Larry Howell Rockwall Texas Where you bought the Bonanza ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 05:45:18 -0500 From: Rick Anderson Subject: Re: KR>Fun Friday.....Don't look Ethal!! To: KRnet Message-ID: <000e01c5ce50$e3c65a60$e2e72d43@D4JZM671> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Did you ever get your defiant flying. Richard Anderson The guy that gave you the golden retreiver and prays before entering tiny caves. Fost Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry H." To: "KRNET" Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 12:29 AM Subject: KR>Fun Friday.....Don't look Ethal!! > Dana, > Do you have that RV Flying Yet? > > Larry Howell > Rockwall Texas Where you bought the Bonanza > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:46:36 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Looking for a spar builder To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051011.080436.3404.2.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Plans are a must have, Virg On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:55:39 EDT IFLYKRS@aol.com writes: > Want to know if there is anybody interested in building up a couple > sets of > KR2S spars for me. Preferably somebody who has done them before and > still > has their table. I am currently looking into building complete > outboard wing > sections on a jig but need some spars. I dont have the plans or the > table at > this time. Will negotiate a price for them as well. I may have > stub wing > skins soon (6 months to a year) for the new airfoil. Let you > know. Thanks. > Bill > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:49:36 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Fuselage lofting To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051011.080436.3404.3.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii AMEN, built my KR-2 that way. No Compound angles, Great, Virg On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Ron Smith writes: > > > --- Bavo wrote: > > > > They look at the measurements of the finished boat, > > not the flat fuse sides. > > Has anyone got a plan of the actual flat fuse side available (with > > the top longeron bent upward slightly), or do I need to draw > > it up myself? > > Thanks, > > John. > > > > > Hi John, > > You might consider building the fuselage without the > taper. I built mine 90 degree sides and it makes so > many things easier. It is simple to do, just keep the > top measurements the same on the bottom and keep it > square. Think of the advantages just in cutting the crossmembers! > Remember all your joints must have a 90 percent face contact. Multiple > angles make that very difficult. People also worry about how to > measure line level. I don't. My longeron is perfectly level and > everything is measured from it. > > I think that was the best modification I have done to > date. I would not build a future KR with the taper. > > See my project on the KRNET below. > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 05:10:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott William Subject: Re: KR> Fuselage lofting To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051011121012.6354.qmail@web31514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hey Ron!!! I liked your website...nice pics of the plane. I do have a few Q's though... WHen you kept the sides 90deg, how much area does that subtract from the stub wing area and how much does it affect lift? Also, I notice that on your foam/carbon fiber fuselage, you used what appears to be the stock locations and numbers of crossmembers, ect. I noticed that others have used different patterns and methods, ie: Barrios...how does using the foam/CF in the manner you did affect strength since there is not plywood to act as a gusset? I also noticed that you installed it one panel at a time on the sides...does this affect strength? Sorry to be long winded.... Scott --- Ron Smith wrote: > > You might consider building the fuselage without the > taper. I built mine 90 degree sides and it makes so > many things easier. It is simple to do, just keep > the > top measurements the same on the bottom and keep it > square. Think of the advantages just in cutting the crossmembers! > Remember all your joints must have a 90 > percent face contact. Multiple angles make that very > difficult. People also worry about how to measure > line > level. I don't. My longeron is perfectly level and > everything is measured from it. > > I think that was the best modification I have done > to > date. I would not build a future KR with the taper. > > See my project on the KRNET below. > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:48:02 +0200 From: "Cris." Subject: KR> Height To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My workshop will be located in a garage of my house. It's currently being built, so I can make modifications. The place is very large and the roof will be 4.50 m. I have the chance to build an intermediate floor (loft? gallery? I don't know the english for it!). Do you think I'd better keep my high ceiling or dividing the height to have two distinct environments, say, one for building, the other for other pourposes (storage, "clean room", etc.)? In that case, how do you suggest me to divide? What is a reasonable height for a workshop? Thanks. Cristiano. -- Land the airplane, rubber side down, main wheels first. ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:11:27 +1000 From: "Martindale Family" Subject: Re: KR> Spitfire To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00b101c5ce65$49ff1600$17708ec6@martindale> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There is rumoured to be a pirate, unregistered and camoflaged Spitfire operating in the remote guts of Australia. It has been reported on many occasions but has never been tracked down or found by the authorities.....it took them long enough to find a rebel Pawnee cropduster with a V8 Chev motor long before experimental came along in this country...and yes I do believe in bunyips and yetis. John The Martindale Family 29 Jane Circuit Toormina NSW 2452 Australia ph: 61 2 66 584767 email: johnjanet@optusnet.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Ross" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 12:17 AM Subject: KR> Spitfire > When was the last time you saw a Spitfire fly over > your neighborhood? I just did. > Went for a walk and heard a plane approaching. > Civilian planes fly over our bases here all the time, > so I wasn't surprised, but did look because there was > just something about the sound. It was unmistakenly a Spitfire! Flying > West to East. Beautiful! There are a fair number of Spits restored and > flying in Britain but it is a real treat to see one fly over > just out for a spin and enjoying a great plane on a > great day. > Thought you would like to know. > Frank > PS, KR, KR, KR. Okay, that's the KR part. > > Frank Ross, > EAA Chapter 35, > San Geronimo, TX > RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK > Visit my photo album at: > http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2 > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:48:29 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Height To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20051011084829.00879420@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cristiano, I would think you would want 2.5 m (8 feet) for the ground floor ceiling to make the "loft" useable as far as head room goes. That should give you enough height to build the KR. You will need to take the project outside to turn it upside down or back rightside up but I had to do that with a 10 foot ceiling. Mark Langford build his KR in the basement and I'm guessing he had a 7.5 to 8 foot ceiling. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:34:56 -0300 From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: RE: KR> New Web Page To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jeff: Got to give you and the other fellows reading here some news. I have installed the prop that I bought from you and we tried it for static RPM. It worked great. But we noticed that the spinner was vibrating terribly so shut the engine down and removed the spinner. It had been changed out so many times it just didn't have another application left in it except to be a butt catcher, I guess. We decided to run the prop and try the plane without a spinner. We had done some mods to extend the nose gear first to give more clearance, and I got to the button of Havelock field and fire walled the throttle. The plane ran along well but because of the troublesome brakes on this plane I think I was dragging a wheel during the run, and decided to abort the flight at my decision point. Taxied back to the button and tried again. This is a grass strip so there is some extra drag and I have been concerned to get more performance so that I could fly this bird like it should go, that explains the need for the new prop. Anyway this time I ran the plane down the field and finally it began to fly. Not really as dramatic as I thought it should be but flying and climbing with a modest but noticeable improvement in speed and climb rate. I ran the plane around the patch for about half an hour, then decided to give the guys on the ground a sight, so I rolled it over and came down on an approach and blew by the hanger at IAS 180 mph. So sure it still goes fast in a dive. We brought the plane in and installed a new spinner, and decided to wash all the bugs and grass off the airframe, and since I had it with us we decided to use the spray wax, to make her a bit slippery. Took it back to the button and gave it another try. Plane took of after about a count of 15, and climbed better than ever before. I leveled off at circuit height and noticed much more response in the throttle. I was making 130 mph flat and level and could climb aggressively on demand. Rolled over again and made a couple of high speed passes again and some tight turns that caught me by surprise as the "G" load came on. There I was grunting around the air pushing the plane through it's maneuvers. The fellows on the ground said there he goes and he's feeling that turn I'll bet, and I was. So, absolutely can tell you that this plane is performing now as you would imagine it should. I am very happy with the prop and how it has made this plane into something to be impressed by. Great little KR-2 experience now flying over Havelock airfield, playing "Top Dog" for the slower birds below. It is a great experience. Thanks again. Best regards Jim -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Scott Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 9:45 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> New Web Page They do only come in 24", with the exception of Larry Flesner's and mine. Jeff -- Scott William wrote: It says your Deihl gear has 30" legs.....I thought they only came in 24"? Scott --- jscott.pilot@juno.com wrote: > I finally put a simple web page together to show > this summer's rebuild of > my KR. If you're interested in the whole painful > process (minus about 2 > months of sanding) check out > http://www.vla.com/jscott/kr/2005mods.html > > Jeff Scott > N1213W > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:16:36 -0400 From: "Wood, Sidney M." Subject: KR> Lights To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Progress comes in all sizes and colors. This past weekend I wired in the wing tip and a landing light on the right wing of my KR-2. Check out was with the battery on my lawn mower. I was most encouraged to see the shop lit up with a white position light, green navigation light, strobe and a landing light. Total current draw was 10.3 amps for the one wing. Times 2 would be 20.6 amps. Hmmm... looks like my Diehl VW 20 amp alternator may be somewhat challenged for night flight. Sid Wood Tri-gear KR-2, N6242 Mechanicsville, MD USA Sidney.wood@titan.com ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:32:11 -0500 From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Lights To: KRnet Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20051011123211.00881310@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I was most encouraged to see the shop lit up with a white position light, green navigation light, strobe and a landing light. Total current draw was 10.3 amps for the one wing. Times 2 would be 20.6 amps. Hmmm... looks like my Diehl VW 20 amp alternator may be somewhat challenged for night flight. >Sid Wood ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Your largest continous current draw will be the position lights. Replace your current bulbs with the new LED lamps. The landing light, your largest draw, will only be used for a few minutes on landing and takeoff and the battery should handle the load. The three position lamps will draw approx 5 to 6 amps total. If replaced with LED lamps, they would draw maybe an amp or two. Use LED lamps whenever possible for cockpit lighting. With a bit of planning, you should be able to cut your total current draw to less than the 20 amps you have available. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:35:03 GMT From: "Jeff Scott" Subject: Re: KR> Lights To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051011.103514.14715.99639@webmail01.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain Sid, I have a 20 Amp Generator on my Continental. With everything lit, it just doesn't have enough amps to carry the load. A solution I use is a wigwag module for the landing lights. The wigwag effectively cuts the amperage needed for the landing lights in half while flashing the landing lights alternately making your plane more visible than with the landing lights on full time. For night use, you can have your landing light switch override the wigwag to turn the landing lights on solid for touchdown. The wigwag module makes it possible for me to still have radio, transponder, interior lighting, exterior lighting, and strobes all on without depleting the battery. Jeff Scott N1213W -- "Wood, Sidney M." wrote: Progress comes in all sizes and colors. This past weekend I wired in the wing tip and a landing light on the right wing of my KR-2. Check out was with the battery on my lawn mower. I was most encouraged to see the shop lit up with a white position light, green navigation light, strobe and a landing light. Total current draw was 10.3 amps for the one wing. Times 2 would be 20.6 amps. Hmmm... looks like my Diehl VW 20 amp alternator may be somewhat challenged for night flight. Sid Wood Tri-gear KR-2, N6242 Mechanicsville, MD USA Sidney.wood@titan.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:48:27 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Fuselage lofting To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051011.144851.1948.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The plans show the flat side dimensions. Just draw on the table. Make the top and bottom measurments the same and avoid the banana boat. You will be glad you did, HUFF PUFF, Virg On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:30:24 +1000 Bavo writes: > Folks, > A quick check of the archives shows that this issue has been > discussed > briefly before, but I wasn't a member then, so please excuse my > question... > I'm just in the process of laying out the full size plans on the > workbench, > and am wondering about the perspective that the plans were drawn > from. ie. > They look at the measurements of the finished boat, not the flat > fuse sides. > Has anyone got a plan of the actual flat fuse side available (with > the top > longeron bent upward slightly), or do I need to draw it up myself? > Thanks, > John. > > -- > http://au.geocities.com/johnbavington > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:19:39 -0500 From: "Ronald R.Eason" Subject: KR> (no subject) To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001f01c5ce98$ba205880$6601a8c0@CADENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FYI to all on the Krnet. Loran is not dead. KRron The ILA Perspective - August 2005 Loran and ILA Move into New Era The December 2004 release of the extensive US Loran evaluation study, "Loran's Capability to Mitigate the Impact of a GPS Outage on GPS Position, Navigation, and Time Applications," marked the beginning of a new era for Loran and the ILA. This report verified the performance capabilities of a modern Loran system, specifically identified how Loran can backup GPS in multiple applications, and hopefully, finally eliminated antiquated perceptions about Loran. No longer is the new enhanced or eLoran a question: it is well on its way to becoming a reality. In turn, the ILA must now direct itself to making a broad audience aware of the substantial benefits Loran can provide each nation in personal safety, economic opportunity, and national security. In this regard, I am extremely pleased to announce that Langhorne Bond will succeed me as president, and most importantly, that he is just the man for this job. As a former FAA administrator, he certainly has the knowledge, ability, and dedication to accomplish this goal. I look forward to supporting Langhorne's efforts and am sure all ILA members do so as well. France and the UK Take European Loran Leadership Roles On July 1, the French government sponsored a GNSS/Loran Information Day in Paris, to increase Loran awareness in numerous user communities and to clarify its formal, long-term commitment to Loran. Overlapping this event, the UK was moving ahead with its new Rugby transmitter, which is now broadcasting 24 hours a day, and distributing an informational pamphlet on Loran. Clearly, France and the UK are taking leadership roles for Loran in Europe. The ILA has held conferences in France and the UK, has good relationships with the UK and French governments, and has had excellent interactions with the Royal Institute of Navigation for years. I believe the ILA will seek to expand and strengthen such ties in the future. Loran Modernization Will Continue in the US In the United States, the House of Representatives has made the first step in the FY2006 budget process, passing a bill, H.R. 3058, that includes $25 M for the continuation of the Loran modernization process. This is not the final figure because the Senate has not acted on its version of the Transportation Appropriations bill, and all differences between the House and Senate will have to be reconciled before FY 06 funding legislation is enacted. However, it certainly acknowledges ongoing support for continued funding for FY2006 Loran modernization. Additionally, I can report to you that the Senate Commerce Committee has also taken a positive step in support of Loran, approving a bill, S. 1280, that authorizes $25 M in annual Loran recapitalization expenditures for FY 2006 and $25 M for FY 2007. We will keep you posted on future developments on both of these bills. US Loran Decision As summarized in the December 2004 ILA Perspective, the new US GPS policy identifies the need for backups, and today, there is a growing awareness that Loran is the best complement to GNSS systems for numerous technical, economic, and political reasons. Because of the inability of US agencies and departments to settle funding differences regarding this national asset, the US Loran decision has not been clarified, despite uniformly positive technical and economic reports, ongoing, bipartisan Congressional support, and endorsements from user groups. The US government has an obligation to its citizens and to the world to adhere to its commitments and to issue a positive Loran policy statement. On behalf of its members and constituent countries, the ILA will continue its advocacy role to ensure the US government meets its commitments and the world's citizens can look forward to a more safe and secure future. G. Linn Roth, Ph.D., FRIN President ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:28:45 +0200 From: "DENE COLLETT (SA)" Subject: Re: R?f. : KR> Spitfire To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <018c01c5cea5$9705e9c0$b2a6fea9@dene> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Serge, It is highly likely that that sea fury is the one based here in Port Elizabeth now. It belongs to Stu Davidson of Seaview Aerobatics amongst something like 15 other aircraft including a L29 Delphin jet and a scale Spitfire. Regards Dene Collett KR2S builder Freelance whisper assembler South Africa mailto: dene.collett@telkomsa.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Serge VIDAL To: KRnet Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 10:37 AM Subject: Réf. : KR> Spitfire I was lucky enough to share my hangar for a few months with a couple olt timer aircraft, including a pristine Spitfire. That was at Rand Airport, South Africa. The Spitfire flew reasonably often, and that was quite an inspiration. Sadly, the aircraft was sold and flown to a new base, and the new owner was killed when he crashed it a few weeks later. I think that was the last example flying in South Africa. We also had a Sea Fury based there for a while. That one was not as nice looking as the Spitfire. It was a monster, with a huge engine, very apt at converting a lot of fuel into a tremendous amount of noise! Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France Frank Ross Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem.com@mylist.net 2005-10-09 16:17 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-10-09 16:17 Pour : KRnet cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Spitfire When was the last time you saw a Spitfire fly over your neighborhood? I just did. Went for a walk and heard a plane approaching. Civilian planes fly over our bases here all the time, so I wasn't surprised, but did look because there was just something about the sound. It was unmistakenly a Spitfire! Flying West to East. Beautiful! There are a fair number of Spits restored and flying in Britain but it is a real treat to see one fly over just out for a spin and enjoying a great plane on a great day. Thought you would like to know. Frank PS, KR, KR, KR. Okay, that's the KR part. Frank Ross, EAA Chapter 35, San Geronimo, TX RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK Visit my photo album at: http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2 __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:46:07 -0400 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> Fuselage lofting To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000801c5cea4$ce680890$6400a8c0@Disorganized> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This message is from someone impersonating VIRG. He doesn't write such long messages. Ron Freiberger mail to ronandmartha@earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+ronandmartha=earthlink.net@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+ronandmartha=earthlink.net@mylist.net] On Behalf Of VIRGIL N SALISBURY Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:48 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> Fuselage lofting The plans show the flat side dimensions. Just draw on the table. Make the top and bottom measurments the same and avoid the banana boat. You will be glad you did, HUFF PUFF, Virg O ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:01:31 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Fuselage lofting To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051011.170217.2204.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Some times he do, HUFF PUFF, Virg ( He de only one indents and commas Virg) On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:46:07 -0400 "Ron Freiberger" writes: > This message is from someone impersonating VIRG. He doesn't write > such > long messages. > > Ron Freiberger > mail to ronandmartha@earthlink.net > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces+ronandmartha=earthlink.net@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces+ronandmartha=earthlink.net@mylist.net] On > Behalf > Of VIRGIL N SALISBURY > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:48 PM > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: Re: KR> Fuselage lofting > > > The plans show the flat side dimensions. Just draw on the > table. > Make the top > and bottom measurments the same and avoid the banana boat. You will > be > glad you did, > HUFF PUFF, Virg > > O > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. 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