From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 410 Date: 10/16/2005 8:24:24 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. steel tube fuselages (Steve Jacobs) 2. Re: steel tube fuselages (patrusso) 3. Steel tube KR's and other foolish ideas. (Mark Jones) 4. Re: steel tube fuselages (Don Chisholm) 5. RE: Aluminum barstock (Brian Kraut) 6. RE: Battery Mount (Brian Kraut) 7. Re: fuselage weight (Robert Pesak) 8. RE: Tire Pressure (Brian Kraut) 9. Re: Steel tube KR's and other foolish ideas. (Don Chisholm) 10. RE: Tire Pressure (Brian Kraut) 11. RE: Battery Mount (Don Chisholm) 12. steel tube fuselages (rhartwig11@juno.com) 13. Re: Battery Mount (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 14. Re: Battery Mount (Dan Heath) 15. RE: Battery Mount (Ron Freiberger) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:36:03 -0700 From: "Steve Jacobs" Subject: KR> steel tube fuselages To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000001c5d278$19a1f4c0$dc64a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If one decided to mate a KR wing set to a truss type steel tube fuselage how would one go about doing it? ++++++++++++++++ Gary Morgan down under in Oz is doing some interesting things along these lines. (www.homepages.ihug.com.au/~gkmorgan ) After building two very successful KR2S style airplanes using typical KR type construction, he is now doing some work with ally (tubing, plate, angles and sheet metal). The single seat version is flying and a KR2ish look-alike is in the works. He gets these things out in surprisingly little time, so the construction method may be well worth considering as a means of getting to the Yee-Ha a whole lot sooner. I don't how pop-riveted ally joint will stack up against welded 4130 in terms of strength-to-weight and longevity, but bolted (riveted) structures are sure becoming popular since the sport pilot category took off. If nothing else, is certainly a great deal easier for the home-builder to consistently get good quality joints without too much expense in equipment and training. It would be equally easy (inexpensive?) to correct a mistake or repair the results of a ground-loop With regard to your question above - note the central steel crutch that Gary uses to tie up the main spar, legs, fuselage, etc. Some good pictures on his site. Steve Jacobs Zambia ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 07:26:01 -0400 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> steel tube fuselages To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002c01c5d244$637e2e30$bba672d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original D Fuselage uncovered. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Mingear" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 3:40 PM Subject: Re: KR> steel tube fuselages > Was that covered or uncovered Pat? > > Denny ... > > --- patrusso wrote: > >> I have forgotten what my KR fuselage weighed, but my >> son is building > > GOP = Greed-Oppression-Power. > > > > __________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 07:56:57 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Steel tube KR's and other foolish ideas. To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <001c01c5d251$17afac60$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The KR is a wood sub structure, foam and fiberglass airplane. Period, nothing else!!! If you guys want to build a steel tube plane, you should build another aircraft which has already been designed as one. There is a fellow in Australia named Garry Morgan who sells kits for Aluminum planes which are an identical take off of the KR. Contact him if you want an Aluminum KR. The point I am trying to make here is that this is a KR airplane forum, not a place to design and build an entirely new airplane. There KR are builders all over the world who monitor this list to learn how to build KR and you are doing nothing but wasting their time. When I pay my voluntary yearly dues (did you?) for the KR Net, I expect to hear KR related issues. I think the problem here is that some of you guys are simply dreamers and not true KR fanatics like the rest of us. You either LOVE THE KR or don't. If you don't, then move on to another plane and stop wasting your time trying to re-invent the KR. You and I both know that most of these foolish ideas you propose will never ever be implemented in the KR. I am not trying to be a smart ass here, but let's get this list focused back where it is meant to be and that is on the KR airplane as Ken Rand and Stuart Robinson meant for it to be, simple and cost effective. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:27:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Chisholm Subject: Re: KR> steel tube fuselages To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051016132741.13461.qmail@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Yes patrusso wrote:D Fuselage uncovered. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Mingear" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 3:40 PM Subject: Re: KR> steel tube fuselages > Was that covered or uncovered Pat? > > Denny ... > > --- patrusso wrote: > >> I have forgotten what my KR fuselage weighed, but my >> son is building > > GOP = Greed-Oppression-Power. > > > > __________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:38:57 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Aluminum barstock To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You might also want to check with Grove. They normally sell their gear already made, but I am sure that they have the material and would sell a piece. For legs that are not bent you might even find out that they can cut it to the shape and size you want and radius the corners for a reasonable price. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Don Chisholm Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:42 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Aluminum barstock Thanks people for the input I got some good leads.Stuff like that is hard to locate here in Canada as some grades are not manufactured here and must be imported from the good old U.S of A. You guys have everything _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:49:16 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Battery Mount To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I checked with a marine canvas shop, but it was too expensive so I made it myself. I used Sunbrell canvas which is a good UV blocking marine canvas and the materials were about $800.00. I probably have about 20 hours labor in the cover. Other than the home economics class we had to take in junior high 20 years ago I have no other sewing experience so it is pretty easy and anyone can do it, or talk their wife into it. At the time the difference between a hanger and a tie down here was about $300 a month if you could even get a hanger so it was pretty much a no brainer for me to keep it otside. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Robert L. Stone Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 10:54 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Battery Mount Hi Brian, I noticed in the second picture at the bottom of this e-mail you have a cover that covers your KR completly. Where in the world did you get that cover, I suspect you had it custom made??? Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:10 PM Subject: RE: KR> Battery Mount > You can look at www.engalt.com/kr2.htm and click on engine. I had a > simple aluminum sheet metal box with no sides and long bolts on the > top. This is the way the plane was when I bought it and it worked > fine. It had some insulation wrapped around the battery. > > The one thing I would prefer to have if I was starting from scratch is > an enclosed box to contain the acid if the battery leaks. You can buy > cheap bigger battery boxes at boat supply stores. I assume that you > can find motorcycle size plastic battery boxes from motorcycle parts > suppliers also. Make sure that you also have some kind of strap to > keep it from coming out the top in negative G maneuvers. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of jscott.pilot@juno.com > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 8:53 PM > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: Re: KR> Battery Mount > > > Mine is done very much like Larry's upper battery. It sits on a piece > of 1/4" angle aluminum with a pair of long holddown bolts and a simple > strap to hold the battery tight against the firewall. > > I was told that with my battery sitting about 3 inches from the left > exhaust pipe, my battery wouldn't last a year. The first one failed > after 4 1/2 years and 325 hours. The second one is 4 years old with > 210 hours behind it and still functions normally. > > Jeff Scott > N1213W > > > > > On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:25:00 -0500 larry flesner > writes: >> >> > I need to mount my sealed 15 amp battery onto my firewall. >> Does anyone >> >have a picture on their web sight that shows what you have done? >> Jim Morehead >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> When I moved my battery (main battery) to the firewall, I started to >> build a box/holder but found I didn't have room for anything but what >> you see in the picture at the following address. The battery is >> setting on a small piece of 1/4" alum angle that is fastened to the >> firewall. The front vertical piece has a small alum angle on the >> bottom edge of the battery to keep it from slipping upward. There >> are three 1/4" bolts that hold the battery to the firewall. This is >> a rock solid mount and there is zero movement of the battery. 175 >> hours and no problems. >> >> http://www.krnet.org/mvn2004/040929139.jpg >> >> My small backup battery, top battery in the picture, is mounted in a >> similar fashion. >> >> Larry Flesner >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> >> > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 06:56:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pesak Subject: Re: KR> fuselage weight To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051016135647.63277.qmail@web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thank you for the reply on the one unit wing spar. It looks great and just what I had in mind. The reason I asked was not to reinvent the KR but because I built a wing for a GP-4 and that design used a box spar one unit spar and and less chance for failure.Scott William wrote: Try this: http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/lhyder/ Scott --- Robert Pesak wrote: > I should be getting my plans this week.My question > is,has anyone built the spar as one unit?If so > please lit me know. > > Don Chisholm wrote:I > just weighed my Sidewinder fuselage and it weighs 58 > lbs > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million > songs. Try it free. > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:00:22 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Tire Pressure To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I found that about 2 worked best for me. More than that and it would tend to bounce more. Down to tire pressures, getting close! Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 7:05 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Tire Pressure I have Lamb 11X400-5. Those of you who have these flying, what pressure are you running? Thanks, See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:04:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Chisholm Subject: Re: KR> Steel tube KR's and other foolish ideas. To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051016140422.42141.qmail@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Just to let you know;my steel tube take off from a KR2S is a work in progress I've invested years of thinking and research into this and have a completed fuselage my wing spar set comes from a stripped KR2 and I've foamed and glassed my outer wing panels and built a tail and am getting ready to mate my center section spar sets to my fuselage then the tail and should have it on it's gear shortly and have an 0 235 Lycoming that I'm using for power .I've already built a KR1 and think that qualifies me as a KR person and have been for about 30 years now. Ken Rand was an innovator of the highest order and the KR's were born in idea's from previous designs and I think if he were alive today he wouldn't have a problem with what I'm doing as his idea is what has sparked me to instill my individualism into what I've learned by persuing my airplane education. If you want to be a blind devotee to someone elses cause don't let me stand in your way and everyone else that I'm being a bad influence on I'm sorry but I started as a juvenile delinquent. airplane forum, not a place to design and build an entirely new airplane. There KR are builders all over the world who monitor this list to learn how to build KR and you are doing nothing but wasting their time. When I pay my voluntary yearly dues (did you?) for the KR Net, I expect to hear KR related issues. I think the problem here is that some of you guys are simply dreamers and not true KR fanatics like the rest of us. You either LOVE THE KR or don't. If you don't, then move on to another plane and stop wasting your time trying to re-invent the KR. You and I both know that most of these foolish ideas you propose will never ever be implemented in the KR. I am not trying to be a smart ass here, but let's get this list focused back where it is meant to be and that is on the KR airplane as Ken Rand and Stuart Robinson meant for it to be, simple and cost effective. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:09:37 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Tire Pressure To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Should have been 28. 2 would put you a bit on the low side. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 10:00 AM To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> Tire Pressure I found that about 2 worked best for me. More than that and it would tend to bounce more. Down to tire pressures, getting close! Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 7:05 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Tire Pressure I have Lamb 11X400-5. Those of you who have these flying, what pressure are you running? Thanks, See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:32:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Chisholm Subject: RE: KR> Battery Mount To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051016143255.82024.qmail@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I'm an automotive upholsterer by trade and if you don't mind my 2 cents worth my favorite material to use especially for canopy covers is a material called Odyssey Soft Touch manufactured by MarChem Coated Fabrics.Inc.. What it is is a light weight coated polyester that is waterproof and breathable and has a synthetic felt backing so it's not prone to chaffing plexi or paint and has a 5 year manufacturers guarantee. Sunbrella Also makes a felt backed material but is considerably more expensive than Odyssey each material has it's plus's and minus's Brian Kraut wrote: I checked with a marine canvas shop, but it was too expensive so I made it myself. I used Sunbrell canvas which is a good UV blocking marine canvas and the materials were about $800.00. I probably have about 20 hours labor in the cover. Other than the home economics class we had to take in junior high 20 years ago I have no other sewing experience so it is pretty easy and anyone can do it, or talk their wife into it. At the time the difference between a hanger and a tie down here was about $300 a month if you could even get a hanger so it was pretty much a no brainer for me to keep it otside. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Robert L. Stone Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 10:54 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Battery Mount Hi Brian, I noticed in the second picture at the bottom of this e-mail you have a cover that covers your KR completly. Where in the world did you get that cover, I suspect you had it custom made??? Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:10 PM Subject: RE: KR> Battery Mount > You can look at www.engalt.com/kr2.htm and click on engine. I had a > simple aluminum sheet metal box with no sides and long bolts on the > top. This is the way the plane was when I bought it and it worked > fine. It had some insulation wrapped around the battery. > > The one thing I would prefer to have if I was starting from scratch is > an enclosed box to contain the acid if the battery leaks. You can buy > cheap bigger battery boxes at boat supply stores. I assume that you > can find motorcycle size plastic battery boxes from motorcycle parts > suppliers also. Make sure that you also have some kind of strap to > keep it from coming out the top in negative G maneuvers. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of jscott.pilot@juno.com > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 8:53 PM > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: Re: KR> Battery Mount > > > Mine is done very much like Larry's upper battery. It sits on a piece > of 1/4" angle aluminum with a pair of long holddown bolts and a simple > strap to hold the battery tight against the firewall. > > I was told that with my battery sitting about 3 inches from the left > exhaust pipe, my battery wouldn't last a year. The first one failed > after 4 1/2 years and 325 hours. The second one is 4 years old with > 210 hours behind it and still functions normally. > > Jeff Scott > N1213W > > > > > On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:25:00 -0500 larry flesner > writes: >> >> > I need to mount my sealed 15 amp battery onto my firewall. >> Does anyone >> >have a picture on their web sight that shows what you have done? >> Jim Morehead >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> When I moved my battery (main battery) to the firewall, I started to >> build a box/holder but found I didn't have room for anything but what >> you see in the picture at the following address. The battery is >> setting on a small piece of 1/4" alum angle that is fastened to the >> firewall. The front vertical piece has a small alum angle on the >> bottom edge of the battery to keep it from slipping upward. There are >> three 1/4" bolts that hold the battery to the firewall. This is a >> rock solid mount and there is zero movement of the battery. 175 hours >> and no problems. >> >> http://www.krnet.org/mvn2004/040929139.jpg >> >> My small backup battery, top battery in the picture, is mounted in a >> similar fashion. >> >> Larry Flesner >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> >> > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:33:56 -0500 From: rhartwig11@juno.com Subject: KR> steel tube fuselages To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051016.093356.3584.0.rhartwig11@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don, It might be better to install "butterfly" blocks between the spar caps at the attach point with the steel fuselage (similar to the landing gear attach blocks seen on Lynn Hyder's KR2-- http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/lhyder/)-- one 1/2 " bolt through the block and an attach fitting welded at each side of the fuselage for the main spar and smaller bolts for the rear spar. The block would also even out the stresses at the fuselage juncture. Check out Falconar or Jodel plans--they have wood fuselages, but I believe they only use bolts to attach the wing spar to the fuselage. An alternative would be to box in the spar with the steel of the fuselage sides and require only small bolts through the "butterfly" block to hold it in place. Dick H ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:00:40 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Battery Mount To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051016.110301.3852.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In a marine area, check out thr boat covers. Used ones may be free or cheap. An over sized one may have enough material to easily do a plane, Virg On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:49:16 -0400 "Brian Kraut" writes: > I checked with a marine canvas shop, but it was too expensive so I > made it > myself. I used Sunbrell canvas which is a good UV blocking marine > canvas > and the materials were about $800.00. I probably have about 20 > hours labor > in the cover. Other than the home economics class we had to take in > junior > high 20 years ago I have no other sewing experience so it is pretty > easy and > anyone can do it, or talk their wife into it. > > At the time the difference between a hanger and a tie down here was > about > $300 a month if you could even get a hanger so it was pretty much a > no > brainer for me to keep it otside. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of Robert L. Stone > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 10:54 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> Battery Mount > > > Hi Brian, > I noticed in the second picture at the bottom of this e-mail > you have a > cover that covers your KR completly. Where in the world did you get > that > cover, I suspect you had it custom made??? > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > rstone4@hot.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Kraut" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:10 PM > Subject: RE: KR> Battery Mount > > > > You can look at www.engalt.com/kr2.htm and click on engine. I had > a > > simple > > aluminum sheet metal box with no sides and long bolts on the top. > This is > > the way the plane was when I bought it and it worked fine. It had > some > > insulation wrapped around the battery. > > > > The one thing I would prefer to have if I was starting from > scratch is an > > enclosed box to contain the acid if the battery leaks. You can > buy cheap > > bigger battery boxes at boat supply stores. I assume that you can > find > > motorcycle size plastic battery boxes from motorcycle parts > suppliers > > also. > > Make sure that you also have some kind of strap to keep it from > coming out > > the top in negative G maneuvers. > > > > Brian Kraut > > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > > www.engalt.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > > Behalf Of jscott.pilot@juno.com > > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 8:53 PM > > To: krnet@mylist.net > > Subject: Re: KR> Battery Mount > > > > > > Mine is done very much like Larry's upper battery. It sits on a > piece of > > 1/4" angle aluminum with a pair of long holddown bolts and a > simple strap > > to hold the battery tight against the firewall. > > > > I was told that with my battery sitting about 3 inches from the > left > > exhaust pipe, my battery wouldn't last a year. The first one > failed > > after 4 1/2 years and 325 hours. The second one is 4 years old > with 210 > > hours behind it and still functions normally. > > > > Jeff Scott > > N1213W > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:25:00 -0500 larry flesner > > > writes: > >> > >> > I need to mount my sealed 15 amp battery onto my firewall. > >> Does anyone > >> >have a picture on their web sight that shows what you have > done? > >> Jim Morehead > >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> > >> When I moved my battery (main battery) to the firewall, I > started > >> to build a box/holder but found I didn't have room for anything but > >> what you see in the picture at the following address. The battery > >> is setting on a small piece of 1/4" alum angle that is fastened to > >> the firewall. The front vertical piece has a small alum angle on > >> the bottom edge of the battery to keep it from slipping upward. > >> There are three 1/4" bolts that hold the > battery > >> to the firewall. This is a rock solid mount and there is zero > >> movement of the battery. 175 hours and no problems. > >> > >> http://www.krnet.org/mvn2004/040929139.jpg > >> > >> My small backup battery, top battery in the picture, is mounted in > >> a similar fashion. > >> > >> Larry Flesner > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________ > >> Search the KRnet Archives at > >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:15:09 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Battery Mount To: Message-ID: <43526E7D.000007.03788@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Somebody needs to change the subject on this. Maybe something like ramp aircraft covers or something like that????? See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Date: 10/16/05 11:05:36 To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> Battery Mount In a marine area, check out thr boat covers. Used ones may be free or cheap. An over sized one may have enough material to easily do a plane, Virg On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:49:16 -0400 "Brian Kraut" writes: > I checked with a marine canvas shop, but it was too expensive so I > made it myself. I used Sunbrell canvas which is a good UV blocking > marine canvas > and the materials were about $800.00. I probably have about 20 > hours labor > in the cover. Other than the home economics class we had to take in > junior > high 20 years ago I have no other sewing experience so it is pretty > easy and > anyone can do it, or talk their wife into it. > > At the time the difference between a hanger and a tie down here was > about $300 a month if you could even get a hanger so it was pretty > much a no > brainer for me to keep it otside. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net >mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net">krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of Robert L. Stone > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 10:54 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> Battery Mount > > > Hi Brian, > I noticed in the second picture at the bottom of this e-mail you > have a cover that covers your KR completly. Where in the world did > you get that > cover, I suspect you had it custom made??? > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > rstone4@hot.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Kraut" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:10 PM > Subject: RE: KR> Battery Mount > > > > You can look at www.engalt.com/kr2.htm and click on engine. I had > a > > simple > > aluminum sheet metal box with no sides and long bolts on the top. > This is > > the way the plane was when I bought it and it worked fine. It had > some > > insulation wrapped around the battery. > > > > The one thing I would prefer to have if I was starting from > scratch is an > > enclosed box to contain the acid if the battery leaks. You can > buy cheap > > bigger battery boxes at boat supply stores. I assume that you can > find > > motorcycle size plastic battery boxes from motorcycle parts > suppliers > > also. > > Make sure that you also have some kind of strap to keep it from > coming out > > the top in negative G maneuvers. > > > > Brian Kraut > > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > > www.engalt.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > > Behalf Of jscott.pilot@juno.com > > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 8:53 PM > > To: krnet@mylist.net > > Subject: Re: KR> Battery Mount > > > > > > Mine is done very much like Larry's upper battery. It sits on a > piece of > > 1/4" angle aluminum with a pair of long holddown bolts and a > simple strap > > to hold the battery tight against the firewall. > > > > I was told that with my battery sitting about 3 inches from the > left > > exhaust pipe, my battery wouldn't last a year. The first one > failed > > after 4 1/2 years and 325 hours. The second one is 4 years old > with 210 > > hours behind it and still functions normally. > > > > Jeff Scott > > N1213W > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:25:00 -0500 larry flesner > > > writes: > >> > >> > I need to mount my sealed 15 amp battery onto my firewall. > >> Does anyone > >> >have a picture on their web sight that shows what you have > done? > >> Jim Morehead > >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> > >> When I moved my battery (main battery) to the firewall, I > started > >> to build a box/holder but found I didn't have room for anything but > >> what you see in the picture at the following address. The battery > >> is setting on a small piece of 1/4" alum angle that is fastened to > >> the firewall. The front vertical piece has a small alum angle on > >> the bottom edge of the battery to keep it from slipping upward. > >> There are three 1/4" bolts that hold the > battery > >> to the firewall. This is a rock solid mount and there is zero > >> movement of the battery. 175 hours and no problems. > >> > >> http://www.krnet.org/mvn2004/040929139.jpg > >> > >> My small backup battery, top battery in the picture, is mounted in > >> a similar fashion. > >> > >> Larry Flesner > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________ > >> Search the KRnet Archives at > >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:23:50 -0400 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> Battery Mount To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000c01c5d265$9f4869a0$6400a8c0@Disorganized> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" NAH! I Love it when they ramble on and on and on and onwith an inappropriate subject. Adds a bit of mystery to the net. I think Dan's getting crotchety. And, I really appreciate it when they don't delete the tail end. ;o) Ron Freiberger mail to ronandmartha@earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 11:15 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> Battery Mount Somebody needs to change the subject on this. Maybe something like ramp aircraft covers or something like that????? See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC -------Original Message------- From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Date: 10/16/05 11:05:36 To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR> Battery Mount In a marine area, check out thr boat covers. Used ones may be free or cheap. An over sized one may have enough material to easily do a plane, Virg On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:49:16 -0400 "Brian Kraut" writes: > I checked with a marine canvas shop, but it was too expensive so I > made it myself. I used Sunbrell canvas which is a good UV blocking > marine canvas > and the materials were about $800.00. I probably have about 20 > hours labor > in the cover. Other than the home economics class we had to take in > junior > high 20 years ago I have no other sewing experience so it is pretty > easy and > anyone can do it, or talk their wife into it. > > At the time the difference between a hanger and a tie down here was > about $300 a month if you could even get a hanger so it was pretty > much a no > brainer for me to keep it otside. > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net >mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net">krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of Robert L. Stone > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 10:54 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> Battery Mount > > > Hi Brian, > I noticed in the second picture at the bottom of this e-mail you > have a cover that covers your KR completly. Where in the world did > you get that > cover, I suspect you had it custom made??? > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > rstone4@hot.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Kraut" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:10 PM > Subject: RE: KR> Battery Mount > > > > You can look at www.engalt.com/kr2.htm and click on engine. I had > a > > simple > > aluminum sheet metal box with no sides and long bolts on the top. > This is > > the way the plane was when I bought it and it worked fine. It had > some > > insulation wrapped around the battery. > > > > The one thing I would prefer to have if I was starting from > scratch is an > > enclosed box to contain the acid if the battery leaks. You can > buy cheap > > bigger battery boxes at boat supply stores. I assume that you can > find > > motorcycle size plastic battery boxes from motorcycle parts > suppliers > > also. > > Make sure that you also have some kind of strap to keep it from > coming out > > the top in negative G maneuvers. > > > > Brian Kraut > > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > > www.engalt.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > > Behalf Of jscott.pilot@juno.com > > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 8:53 PM > > To: krnet@mylist.net > > Subject: Re: KR> Battery Mount > > > > > > Mine is done very much like Larry's upper battery. It sits on a > piece of > > 1/4" angle aluminum with a pair of long holddown bolts and a > simple strap > > to hold the battery tight against the firewall. > > > > I was told that with my battery sitting about 3 inches from the > left > > exhaust pipe, my battery wouldn't last a year. The first one > failed > > after 4 1/2 years and 325 hours. The second one is 4 years old > with 210 > > hours behind it and still functions normally. > > > > Jeff Scott > > N1213W > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:25:00 -0500 larry flesner > > > writes: > >> > >> > I need to mount my sealed 15 amp battery onto my firewall. > >> Does anyone > >> >have a picture on their web sight that shows what you have > done? > >> Jim Morehead > >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> > >> When I moved my battery (main battery) to the firewall, I > started > >> to build a box/holder but found I didn't have room for anything but > >> what you see in the picture at the following address. The battery > >> is setting on a small piece of 1/4" alum angle that is fastened to > >> the firewall. The front vertical piece has a small alum angle on > >> the bottom edge of the battery to keep it from slipping upward. > >> There are three 1/4" bolts that hold the > battery > >> to the firewall. This is a rock solid mount and there is zero > >> movement of the battery. 175 hours and no problems. > >> > >> http://www.krnet.org/mvn2004/040929139.jpg > >> > >> My small backup battery, top battery in the picture, is mounted in > >> a similar fashion. > >> > >> Larry Flesner > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________ > >> Search the KRnet Archives at > >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 410 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================