From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 427 Date: 10/23/2005 9:00:19 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: dragonfly canopies (larry severson) 2. Building a KR - SoCal (larry severson) 3. Re: Gear legs and belly-boards (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 4. Re: Gear legs and belly-boards (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 5. Re: First Weight Numbers (Phil Matheson) 6. RE: battery had bulged (Al Hawkins) 7. Re: Gathering (elmiller) 8. Wing Gap Covers (Dan Heath) 9. Re: Wing Gap Covers (Mark Jones) 10. Mark Langford (Brant Hollensbe) 11. RE: Wing Gap Covers (Brian Kraut) 12. Gathering photos (Joachim Saupe) 13. RE: Gathering photos (Joachim Saupe) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 11:09:58 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> dragonfly canopies To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051023110926.024a4f88@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:39 AM 10/22/2005 -0400, you wrote: >who supplies Dart industries Search on Google.com will give you the answer! Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 11:31:12 -0700 From: larry severson Subject: KR> Building a KR - SoCal To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051023112008.02519b50@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Anyone in the LA basin who is building, or thinking of building, a KR2 - or other composite aircraft - needs to get in the classes at Cerritos College (605 fwy at the 91 fwy) . I have taken the EAA classes. Cerritos is a whole lot better, AND cheaper. Additionally, they have most of the material that you need for building available at no charge. I am currently taking 2 classes and a lab course for a total cost under $175. Yesterday, vacuum bagged a carbon fiber speed brake for my Q2. Next, I plan to make up a KR wing using honeycomb and graphite to create the spars, ribs, and wing skins. I should end up with a very light wing that is stronger than the design in the plans. It will all be with college materials. They also have $2 million worth of equipment available including an autoclave to help in the building. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:58:33 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Gear legs and belly-boards To: flesner@midwest.net,krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051023.160712.2908.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 11:58:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00) flesner@midwest.net writes: > > > When the tail is on the ground first, it will not bounce. > you are > locked into landing. > proved many times in Cubs Champs & Tcraft. As you slow, the > angle > of attack > becomes less and you will not become airborne, VJ > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Most of the old aircraft (Cubs, Champs, Tcraft) had bunge landing gear > systems that absorbed the energy of the mains hitting the ground. Try > that in an airplane with a gear system that will spring > you back into the air ( early Cessna's, KR's ). Negative, if you get airborne again it is because you did not have and keep the stick FULL aft, Virg > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:05:51 -0400 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Gear legs and belly-boards To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051023.160712.2908.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Accepted as not a flame BUT if the tailwheel stays on the ground you will NOT get airborne., Virg Aerodynamics do not change regardless of aircraft. On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:42:15 -0700 "Steve Glover" writes: > Well Virg, I would say since you have not flown a KR, you really are > not > qualified to comment here. I have also flown Champs, Cubs, etc. in > addition to the 300 hours in my KR. They land VERY different from a > KR > in speed and weight. I can assure you, the KR will bounce back into > the > air after the tail wheel contacts the ground first. Please don't > take > this as a flame but the misinformation could get someone hurt who is > new > to flying the KR. > > Regards, > > Steve Glover > KR-2 N902G > AJO, Ca > > > > Virg said> > When the tail is on the ground first, it will not bounce. > you > are locked into landing. > Proven many times in Cubs Champs & Tcraft. As you slow, the > angle of attack > becomes less and you will not become airborne, Virg > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 07:18:31 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> First Weight Numbers To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001f01c5d817$5232de40$eaaa443d@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I assembled my complete KR last night, I just weighed it. Less the instruments, Prop & spinner, inner wing skins ( they get in the way of building) left Aileron balance weight. Kgs Front Wheel = 98 R/ Wheel = 92.3 L/Wheel = 91.6 Total 281.9Kgs Lbs F/W = 216 # R/W = 205.6# L/W = 201.9 Total 628.9 lbs A bit lighter would have been better. Back to sanding , cowl and wings Phil Matheson mathesonp@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ http://corvair.vw-engines.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:28:43 -0700 From: "Al Hawkins" Subject: RE: KR> battery had bulged To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000701c5d818$beb4c5a0$6702a8c0@mycomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am using the Compufire Harley series regulator, it disconnects the charging voltage when the battery is full. It is not cheap at $83, but it works great. 55121 22 AMP 1981-1988 Black Finned Big Twin Case, OE P/N 74516-86 I now have 52 hours on the plane and my Panasonic 17 AH battery is still working like new, the Panasonic battery can be used to start engines per spec sheet. Al Hawkins KR2 C-GDPU Port Coquitlam, B.C. Canada http://www3.telus.net/public/a4a19967/index.html -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobs Sent: October 23, 2005 9:41 AM To: 'KRnet' Subject: KR> battery had bulged might look into a regulator that's a little smarter than the one I have now +++++++++++++++++ Like most things, battery design has its compromises - electrolyte (gel) volume, plate area, distance between plates etc. These parameters obviously effect size and weight for a given AH capacity and the often ignored cold cranking capacity (where relevant). Some batteries are designed to efficiently "store" energy that is received and delivered at modest (charge / discharge) rates - units designed for Solar and UPS applications generally fall in this category and are very effective provided they are not subjected to high charge / discharge rates. The acceptable charge rate (in this case) is more of a trickle charge, but certainly not much over C/10 and the acceptable discharge rate is adequate to deliver the full (stored) capacity over a period of time. Whereas we can control the charge rate and solve most of the battery damage type problems, cranking an engine is very demanding in terms of current draw, if the battery is not designed for this, its life will be short. Subjecting the battery to a higher (than spec) charge (or discharge?) rate is more likely to cause damage from overheating, than high temps in the general environment. Steve Zambia X-SM-SEEN-40BD0F1D: 23.10.05 14:17:40 X-SM-From: jayquip@microlink.zm+- X-SM-SPAMMARK: @WL X-SM-SPAMRATE: 0 _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:43:30 -0600 From: elmiller Subject: Re: KR> Gathering To: KRnet Message-ID: <1130107410.8261.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain On Sat, 2005-10-22 at 00:07 -0400, IFLYKRS@aol.com wrote: > has anybody seen any pics from the Gathering 05 other than Glends's? > Am looking forward to some. Bill http://home.pcisys.net/~elmiller/gathering05.html EM KR-2S N701EM ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:47:47 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Wing Gap Covers To: Message-ID: <435C2123.000003.02588@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This is how I make wing gap covers for a KR. I made them like this for the Little Beast and they came out so well that I decided to do it again and this time had some help and a different way to secure them to the wings while they were finishing the curing process. Jerry and I spent the entire day at the airport and got this done as well as building a long workbench in our new hangar. I wish I had waited to make the covers until after we made this bench, because the end result would have been better. In case anyone out there is building a KR, this is for you. http://krbuilder.org/WingGapCovers/index.html See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is over. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:57:59 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Wing Gap Covers To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002501c5d82d$992824c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" > This is how I make wing gap covers for a KR.> In case anyone out there > is building a KR, this is for you. > Thanks Dan, now I know exactly how I will make my final wing gap seals this winter. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:08:34 -0500 From: "Brant Hollensbe" Subject: KR> Mark Langford To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001c01c5d837$74f659f0$0702a8c0@bruntson> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Will Mark Langford please contack Don Chisholm at chizmsupholstery@rogers.com He is the Canadian upholster that is making KR covers. He needs to talk to you about some measurments. Unfortunantly after so much flaming he left the KRnet. Brant Hollensbe Des Moines, Ia. ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:53:00 -0400 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Wing Gap Covers To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Great way to do them. I have done a few things with partially cured cloth that you just couldn't do the normal way, particularly when having to glass upside down. I have found that another thing that works good for some applications is the let it cure where it won't bend easily then hit it with a heat gun to get it soft and press it into place for a few minutes until it cools and stays in the shape you put it in. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 7:48 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Wing Gap Covers This is how I make wing gap covers for a KR. I made them like this for the Little Beast and they came out so well that I decided to do it again and this time had some help and a different way to secure them to the wings while they were finishing the curing process. Jerry and I spent the entire day at the airport and got this done as well as building a long workbench in our new hangar. I wish I had waited to make the covers until after we made this bench, because the end result would have been better. In case anyone out there is building a KR, this is for you. http://krbuilder.org/WingGapCovers/index.html See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is over. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 22:35:59 -0500 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: KR> Gathering photos To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220051012433559765@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Gang, I just made a yahoo photo album of the KR gathering 2005. Yeah, horray to me (I'm new to this)! If any one can help me with identifying planes or people, please send me an e-mail so I can put captions to all the photos. www.photos.yahoo.com/jsaupe Joachim Joachim Saupe jsaupe6848@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 22:42:30 -0500 From: "Joachim Saupe" Subject: RE: KR> Gathering photos To: "jsaupe6848@earthlink.net, KRnet" Message-ID: <410-220051012434230343@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Forget the "www" it should be http://photos.yahoo.com/jsaupe > [Original Message] > From: Joachim Saupe > To: KRnet > Date: 10/23/2005 10:36:25 PM > Subject: KR> Gathering photos > > Gang, > I just made a yahoo photo album of the KR gathering 2005. Yeah, horray > to me (I'm new to this)! If any one can help me with identifying planes or people, please send me an e-mail so I can put captions to all the photos. > www.photos.yahoo.com/jsaupe > > Joachim > > > Joachim Saupe > jsaupe6848@earthlink.net > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 427 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================