From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 437 Date: 10/31/2005 9:00:12 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: W & B dilemma (Ron Lee) 2. Re: W & B dilemma (Dan Heath) 3. accident with stored wings (Pond Family) 4. Re: W & B dilemma (Phil Matheson) 5. Re: Trying to contact (Phil Matheson) 6. Starting engine after its been sitting a year or so. (Pond Family) 7. Re: W & B dilemma (Dan Heath) 8. Re: accident with stored wings (Dan Heath) 9. Re: Diehl Leg extensions (Phil Matheson) 10. Homebuiltaircraft.com (Ronald R.Eason) 11. Re: W & B dilemma (Barry Kruyssen) 12. Re: W & B dilemma (Joseph H. Horton) 13. Re: Third Flight-the good the bad the ugly (Mark Langford) 14. RE: Diehl Leg extensions (Brian Kraut) 15. RE: W & B dilemma (Brian Kraut) 16. Re: W & B dilemma (Ron Lee) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:17:42 -0700 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR> W & B dilemma To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20051031191417.01c7fba0@mail.pcisys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Get a good set of scales and weight each point SEPARATELY. Locally someone here has a set of automotive scales (four) and three are used to do the W&B. Placing a board between the scales may cause inaccuracies but using bathroom scales is not the way to go. Make sure that you are properly level according to recommended procedure. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:20:07 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> W & B dilemma To: Message-ID: <4366D0D7.000013.02532@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What have you used and where did you get them? See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is over. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -------Original Message------- From: Ron Lee Date: 10/31/05 21:18:16 To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> W & B dilemma Get a good set of scales and weight each point SEPARATELY. Locally someone here has a set of automotive scales (four) and three are used to do the W&B. Placing a board between the scales may cause inaccuracies but using bathroom scales is not the way to go. Make sure that you are properly level according to recommended procedure. Ron Lee _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:27:36 -0500 From: "Pond Family" Subject: KR> accident with stored wings To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Yes I know it's a crime but..... I took advantage of a fellow with a Pickup truck to move my wings from A to B. The fellow had a spare tire in the back that fell onto my wing. There is no damage to the surface or wing shape. Should I be concerned? Am I missing something with my review? I figure the risk is the foam has separated from the upper wing surface which could bubble in flight or am I looking for a problem that may not happen. Darren Pond Cambridge Ontario Canada ponds27@rogers.com Live to Play and Play to Live ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:28:54 +1100 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> W & B dilemma To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003701c5de8c$0a4f3d00$47a8443d@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Dan I was talking to our Road & Traffic Authority guys ( the ones that pull over trucks and check weight or overloading) They said They would be happy to see if they could weigh it at some stage) Just another idea Phil Matheson mathesonp@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ http://corvair.vw-engines.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:30:13 +1100 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR>Trying to contact To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004301c5de8c$3cda3bd0$47a8443d@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Sorry all. But could Mac Wood (UK) contact me please. Phil Matheson mathesonp@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ http://corvair.vw-engines.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:30:37 -0500 From: "Pond Family" Subject: KR> Starting engine after its been sitting a year or so. To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Gentlemen I fogged my engine before I put it to bed last winter. Life did not allow any progress thru until recently. No I'm looking at starting my Cont- 65 back up. What should I do before sparking it up? As I might just get to my 1835VW KR2 this fall I should ask about starting it back up as well? Darren Pond Cambridge Ontario Canada ponds27@rogers.com Live to Play and Play to Live ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:32:49 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> W & B dilemma To: Message-ID: <4366D3D1.000019.02532@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That won't work for W & B. You would get the W, but not the B. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is over. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -------Original Message------- From: Phil Matheson Date: 10/31/05 21:29:24 To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> W & B dilemma Dan I was talking to our Road & Traffic Authority guys ( the ones that pull over trucks and check weight or overloading) They said They would be happy to see if they could weigh it at some stage) Just another idea Phil Matheson mathesonp@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ http://corvair.vw-engines.com/ _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:34:27 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> accident with stored wings To: Message-ID: <4366D433.00001B.02532@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'll bet that you are OK. I don't think that fiberglass is going to bubble too much, if you can see no damage. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is over. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -------Original Message------- From: Pond Family Date: 10/31/05 21:28:16 To: 'KRnet' Subject: KR> accident with stored wings Yes I know it's a crime but..... I took advantage of a fellow with a Pickup truck to move my wings from A to B. The fellow had a spare tire in the back that fell onto my wing. There is no damage to the surface or wing shape. Should I be concerned? Am I missing something with my review? I figure the risk is the foam has separated from the upper wing surface which could bubble in flight or am I looking for a problem that may not happen. Darren Pond Cambridge Ontario Canada ponds27@rogers.com Live to Play and Play to Live _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:36:15 +1100 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Diehl Leg extensions To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005d01c5de8d$0e392bf0$47a8443d@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Mark & Neters What did you make Dan Diehl main gear extensions from , 4130 or mild steel ????. I'm thinking that 5/16 or so mild steel would be strong enough. What are your thoughts, please. Thanks in advance Phil Matheson mathesonp@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ http://corvair.vw-engines.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:00:51 -0600 From: "Ronald R.Eason" Subject: KR> Homebuiltaircraft.com To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001f01c5de90$780493f0$6601a8c0@CADENGINEERING> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just uploaded some of my photos. If you want to see them go to http://www.homebuiltaircraft.com/default.aspx and then to Members and type in Reason in the search space. This guy, David has been working on the site for a while [it's free] and now it is coming together. KRron ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:09:36 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR> W & B dilemma To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003201c5de91$b22cc5b0$8a00a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I used 3 bathroom scales BUT I calibrated them. I got 6 plastic drums of water each weighing 20kg (verified on certified scales) I then stacked these on the scales taking readings as I add each drum. (found that the scales were very in accurate over 80kg, in fact one set of scales was reading 98kg with 120 kg on it) With these readings I was able to determine a calibration calculation for each scale to apply to the readings when actually weighing my KR2. I then weighed my KR2 using all 3 scales at each point and averaging the calibrated values which were within 2% from min to max. This was very acurate as after I had a few hours on it I then flew to Mareeba and had it weighed on certified aircraft scales by a qualified person. The results were less than 1% from my bathroom scales excersize. Tips: ------- When weighing on bathroom scales ensure that you have a solid board that covers the whole of the top surface to ensure the load is distributed evenly. (Weigh the board and take off from readings AFTER applying the calibration calculations) Ensure the wheel is centered on the board/scales. Ensure the ground is level and even, no lumps or dirt under the scales. Do not roll the aircraft on to the scales, pickup each wheel (I used the leg) and place it gently on the scales. Do not change the weight of the aircraft while on the scales as this spreads the gear and puts side loading on the scales and causes them to be inaccurate. Hope this helps Regards Barry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia RAA 19-3873 kr2@BigPond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Heath To: krnet@mylist.net Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:09 PM Subject: KR> W & B dilemma Jerry and I have a dilemma. Our WB gave us very conflicting results with each scenario that we performed. It had Jerry weighing 35 pounds and me weighing 37 pounds different from the empty weight. You guys, WHO HAVE DONE THIS, what did you use to weigh your planes? We are using 2 bathroom scales with a board over them under each wheel and one under the tail. The tail weights are consistant and are reasonable, but the other ones are all over the place. ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:12:34 -0500 From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: Re: KR> W & B dilemma To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051031.221235.680.1.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dan -- I gave up on bath scales when the range got up above 200# they went all over. I have an electronic freight scale from Staples and would be glad to loan it to you. Joe On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:09:46 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) "Dan Heath" writes: > Jerry and I have a dilemma. Our WB gave us very conflicting results > with > each scenario that we performed. It had Jerry weighing 35 pounds > and me > weighing 37 pounds different from the empty weight. > > You guys, WHO HAVE DONE THIS, what did you use to weigh your planes? > We are > using 2 bathroom scales with a board over them under each wheel and > one > under the tail. The tail weights are consistant and are reasonable, > but the > other ones are all over the place. > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for > building > is over. > Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:28:31 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Third Flight-the good the bad the ugly To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <00d201c5de94$58317710$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Joe Horton wrote: > things went to crap. I tried to just hold steady and fly it on to the > runway. I'm probably the last one on the planet that should be offering advice on how to land a KR, judging by my performance at Moontown yesterday, in front of at least twenty pilots, but it sounds like you did the same thing I did the first time around....you were too fast and still thoroughly flying when you touched down. If it'd been a tail dragger, you'd have "bounced" 25 feet in the air instead of only 10! I'm still working to figure my plane out, which is a little different than anybody else's with the split flaps. What I've been doing lately (which seems to work, unless somebody's watching) is come in fairly steep at about 70 mph with very little power, as if it's an emergency landing, and then maybe 50 feet before I "hit", I lower the nose a little (as opposed to raising it to flare) and pick up just enough speed to "fly it on". As soon as I touch down, the stick goes forward to plant it (you'd have to try really hard to nose it over enough to hurt the prop). It's a lot easier to hit the target if you're gliding steeply, and it's good insurance if the engine quits on final. I think about stuff like that a lot. Yesterday I landed at Moontown too fast and I knew it, and was rewarded with at least three separate landings, which is not a good thing on a 2200' runway. That one would probably better be described as a "glancing blow", rather than beating the runway into submission. I assume you've gone up to altitude and done a stall or two to nail down what your airspeed indicator says when it stalls, right? As long as you stay sufficiently above that number you ought to be OK. I think I've heard Troy say 1.2x stall speed should be KR landing speed. Don't listen to me though...I'm still trying to figure it out myself. The good news is that you've already learned that the KR is pretty strong. Just try not to take out any runway lights. I've managed to dodge them so far. I did the south Alabama trip again yesterday, and put almost 4 hours on the plane at full throttle, mostly at around 10,000'. The Corvair is running incredibly smooth. Later this week I'm going to fly to Little Rock with Jim Hill to deliver his KR to its owner and then bring him back, and then to Corvair College in Florida on Nov 11th. See y'all there... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:48:47 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Diehl Leg extensions To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I made mine out of 1/4" 4130. That is what Dan makes them out of. I asked him if he heat treated them and he told me that he did and gave me the Rockwell hardnes he used. If I can find where I wrote it down I will let you know, but best to email him. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Phil Matheson Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 9:36 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Diehl Leg extensions Mark & Neters What did you make Dan Diehl main gear extensions from , 4130 or mild steel ????. I'm thinking that 5/16 or so mild steel would be strong enough. What are your thoughts, please. Thanks in advance Phil Matheson mathesonp@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ http://corvair.vw-engines.com/ _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:48:47 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> W & B dilemma To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On my KR I used two scales from Wal Mart that were advertized up to 330 pounds and were accurate up to about 370. I calibrated them by using known weights on our accurate shipping scale at work. On the Stang I used a digital shipping scale from Office Max that goes up to 400. It is much much better and only cost a little more than $100 IIRC. Great investment. It is also much stonger on the top and didn't dent and break like one of my Wal Mart scales. I made a stack of wood that was the exact same height as the scale for the other wheel and two ramps to roll the plane up on the scale and wood. I used a digital cheap bathroom scale for the tailwheel. If you don't want to invest in the scale keep it in good shape and return it, but it is well worth the price. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 9:10 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> W & B dilemma Jerry and I have a dilemma. Our WB gave us very conflicting results with each scenario that we performed. It had Jerry weighing 35 pounds and me weighing 37 pounds different from the empty weight. You guys, WHO HAVE DONE THIS, what did you use to weigh your planes? We are using 2 bathroom scales with a board over them under each wheel and one under the tail. The tail weights are consistant and are reasonable, but the other ones are all over the place. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is over. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:48:32 -0700 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR> W & B dilemma To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20051031214745.01ca5608@mail.pcisys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:20 PM 10/31/2005, you wrote: >What have you used and where did you get them? A mechanic here has a set that is used by him plus many RV builders to do their W&B. Ron ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 437 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================