From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 448 Date: 11/7/2005 9:01:43 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Da Dark Side (Dana Overall) 2. RE: Da Dark Side (Steve Glover) 3. Re: Da loop (patrusso) 4. Re: Da loop (Cris.) 5. Re: Da loop (Cris.) 6. Re: TSO'd Instruments (Larry Flesner) 7. Engine (Dan Heath) 8. Re: Engine (Larry Flesner) 9. Re: AS504x wings (Dennis Mingear) 10. Re: Da loop (jscott.pilot@juno.com) 11. Re: Off Subject (Phil Matheson) 12. Re: heavy wing fix (Jerry Mahurin) 13. Re: Engine (Jerry Mahurin) 14. heavy wing fix / ailerons (Larry Flesner) 15. Re: TSO'd Instruments (Dan Michaels) 16. Re: TSO'd Instruments (Larry Flesner) 17. Flight Report (Mark Jones) 18. Re: Flight Report (Larry&Sallie Flesner) 19. Good fortune (wilder_jeff Wilder) 20. Re: Flight Report (Mark Jones) 21. more accurate distance of wheels above runway on landings. (harold woods) 22. ANC-18 (Chris Johnston) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 16:09:16 -0500 From: "Dana Overall" Subject: KR> Da Dark Side To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'm afraid it is true...however I would never give in to the Dark > > Side > > of the Erector sets! (sorry Dana) :) The deal is done pending > > > final inspection when the buyer comes out from Boston. Here, here now. I'm no longer building on the Dark Side...................remember, for the last 6 months I've been living in a 31' 5th. wheel RV, as opposed to my black RV, while we get this log house finished. BUT.......watch out, the black RV comes out of hiding by the summer. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:03:14 -0800 From: "Steve Glover" Subject: RE: KR> Da Dark Side To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001e01c5e3e7$1038b6f0$0202a8c0@IntelliSpec> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I can't wait to see it...I'll be at the Gathering as a step child also with my EZ until the new design is complete. Regards, Steve Glover KR-2 N902G AJO, Ca >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here, here now. I'm no longer building on the Dark Side...................remember, for the last 6 months I've been living in a 31' 5th. wheel RV, as opposed to my black RV, while we get this log house finished. BUT.......watch out, the black RV comes out of hiding by the summer. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:08:06 -0500 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> Da loop To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002201c5e3e7$bb831e10$39a672d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original That really wasn't a loop. Looked to me like a parabola performed to achieve a brief moment of weightlessness Now i know why they call it a doggy bag Cristiano..are you still logged on? ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:48:56 +0100 From: "Cris." Subject: Re: KR> Da loop To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I am, Pat ;-) C. 2005/11/7, patrusso : > > That really wasn't a loop. Looked to me like a parabola performed to > achieve a brief moment of weightlessness > Now i know why they call it a doggy bag > > Cristiano..are you still logged on? > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Land the airplane, rubber side down, main wheels first. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:50:20 +0100 From: "Cris." Subject: Re: KR> Da loop To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oh, well, I forgot (kidding): saturday morning... my first flight on a KR2S. Two tonneau. That plane is GREAT. My english is not enough. I'll have someone translate in italian what I felt :-) c. 2005/11/7, patrusso : > > That really wasn't a loop. Looked to me like a parabola performed to > achieve a brief moment of weightlessness > Now i know why they call it a doggy bag > > Cristiano..are you still logged on? > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Land the airplane, rubber side down, main wheels first. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 17:03:37 -0600 From: Larry Flesner Subject: Re: KR> TSO'd Instruments To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051107170057.02f91e70@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed At 12:28 PM 11/7/2005, you wrote: >TSO'd instruments are generally the same as non TSO'd they just do not >have the documentation for Ceritfied planes. Dan +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ And some are built "cheaper" ( can you say made in China) and are not of the same quality. I'd suggest you decide just what you intend to purchase and then post to the web to see if anyone has any experience with that instrument / brand. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:43:02 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Engine To: Message-ID: <436FE686.000006.02760@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" We have been having, what seems to be, engine problems. However, today, I went back and ran it again with the cowling off and it ran just fine. We have adjusted the mag timing and I set the electronic to what I guessed to be close to the same timing. Running the engine, they must be about the same because I cannot hear any difference when I swap them out or they are both on. Another good thing is that I was getting a very strong 3000 static RPM today By strong, I mean that when I pushed in the throttle, it went up to 3200 and settled back to 3000. The brakes are working very well. They will hold up to 2500 RPM, but over that, it begins to move. I am convinced that all the problems are in the obstruction of air flow due to my design on the inlet. I am going to try damming it up behind the air opening that goes down to the carb and see if that will create a plenum for the air to be sucked out of. If that works, then I guess I can take all that stuff out from under the engine and if I do that, I will have to put the coils on the firewall, probably where they should be anyway. But this is just speculation and Jerry and I will have to make some choices about how to fix this problem. Oh, and did I say that it controls nicely when scooting around the tarmac. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:07:53 -0600 From: Larry Flesner Subject: Re: KR> Engine To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051107180221.032980a0@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >Oh, and did I say that it controls nicely when scooting around the >tarmac. Daniel R. Heath ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I think that's "KR scooching" for us taildraggers !!! :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 16:40:26 -0800 (PST) From: Dennis Mingear Subject: Re: KR> AS504x wings To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051108004026.71779.qmail@web51412.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thank you Don, very nice post. --- Donald Reid wrote: > At 01:27 PM 11/7/2005, you wrote: > >I would like to see that reference, I would be > >surprised if the center of lift didn't move some > with > >changes in AoA. > > These last few posts have mixed a number of > different aero terms. > > The 1/4 chord location is located 0.25 times the > chord back from the > leading edge and on the chord line. In x/c , y/c > coordinates that > means 0.25, 0.0 > > The aerodynamic center is the point at which the > pitch moment is > constant. It is near the 1/4 chord location but > generally a little > behind it. It can be above or below the chord line > but it is > generally near the chord line. This is the point > where all most all > modern aero design is based. It does not move to > any significant > degree over any angle of attack below stall. On a > symmetrical > airfoil, the 1/4 chord is the aerodynamic center. > > Based on my calculations, the aerodynamic center of > the AS series in > x/c , y/c coordinates is: > AS5045 0.2533, -0.0006 > AS5046 0.2539, -0.0007 > AS5048 0.2566, -0.0012 > and for comparison, the RAF48 is 0.2528, -0.0005 > > The center of lift and center of pressure are older > terms that mean a > point at which the pitch moment is equal to zero. > These move with > the angle of attack. They are difficult to use in > any real > aeronautical calculation but they still show up in > older reference books. > > > > > Don Reid - donreid "at" peoplepc.com > Bumpass, Va > > Visit my web sites at: > > AeroFoil, a 2-D Airfoil Design And Analysis Computer > Program: > http://aerofoilengineering.com > > KR2XL construction: http://aerofoilengineering.com/KR/KR2XL.htm > Aviation Surplus: > http://aerofoilengineering.com/PartsListing/Airparts.htm > EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org > Ultralights: http://usua250.org > VA EAA Regional Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:45:22 -0700 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> Da loop To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051107.174523.2132.0.jscott.pilot@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cristiano, Go ahead and post your impressions in Italian. There are many translation web pages available. One of us will have your post translated, then repost it. Jeff Scott N1213W On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:50:20 +0100 "Cris." writes: > Oh, well, I forgot (kidding): saturday morning... my first flight on > a KR2S. > > Two tonneau. > That plane is GREAT. My english is not enough. I'll have someone > translate > in italian what I felt :-) > c. > > 2005/11/7, patrusso : > > > > That really wasn't a loop. Looked to me like a parabola performed > to > > achieve > > a brief moment of weightlessness > > Now i know why they call it a doggy bag > > > > Cristiano..are you still logged on? ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 11:44:59 +1100 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Off Subject To: "Brian Olson" , "KRnet" Message-ID: <000001c5e3fe$231c9040$a596443d@pii433> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sorry guys and gals But I was hope that serge was OK in Paris, with all the cival unrest and trouble, I have not heard from him. Hope you are OK Serge. Phillip Matheson VHPKR Australia. mathesonp@dodo.com.au http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:48:44 -0500 From: Jerry Mahurin Subject: Re: KR>heavy wing fix To: KRnet Message-ID: <3812d7480511071648r226542ecvac4e993105f574aa@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 .........from experience, I can attest to the fact that ailerons will CHANGE on their own over a period of time. Completely finishing will help preserve shapes.......... Keep on keeping on, On 11/7/05, Mark Langford wrote: > > herbertsname@netscape.net wrote: > > > Considering the mechanical leverage at the wing tip of wind tip drag > > coeifficients a reasonable minded buillder may humble there arrogant > > attitudes frowarded at others in the group and listen to > > constructive comments. > > I think I may have a pretty good idea as to a contributing factor on > my plane, if not the total culprit. Checking the ailerons last night I > noticed that on the left one I had the cusp that accurately follows > the airfoil, but > on the right one, I straightened out the cusp. I build those ailerons a > year or so apart, and somewhere between building the first one and the > second one I decided to delete the cusp in favor of reducing the aileron > control system's loading. Only problem is I forgot to go back and fill in > the pilot's side! Good thing my ailerons are easily removed... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Jerry Mahurin - aka - KRJerry Lugoff, SC 29078 ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:52:20 -0500 From: Jerry Mahurin Subject: Re: KR> Engine To: KRnet Message-ID: <3812d7480511071652i2baf8860p4ae4ae04bd781d0e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 .........On Sunday I was just short of cutting figure eights out on the tarmac behind the hanger where Dan'l could not see me.... Keep on keeping on...... On 11/7/05, Larry Flesner wrote: > > > > > >Oh, and did I say that it controls nicely when scooting around the > tarmac. > >Daniel R. Heath > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > I think that's "KR scooching" for us taildraggers !!! :-) > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Jerry Mahurin - aka - KRJerry Lugoff, SC 29078 ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:33:46 -0600 From: Larry Flesner Subject: KR> heavy wing fix / ailerons To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051107191648.033b8380@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed At 06:48 PM 11/7/2005, you wrote: >.........from experience, I can attest to the fact that ailerons will >CHANGE on their own over a period of time. Completely finishing will >help preserve shapes.......... Jerry Mahurin - aka - KRJerry ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I'll let all the current builders in on a mistake I made so they can avoid doing what I did. I cut out my ailerons, installed the spruce in the wing for attaching the aileron, then installed the aileron spar on the work table and did the glassing, etc. A year or so later when I installed the wings on the airframe I noticed that the aileron trailing edges did not match the wing. When it matched on the inboard end it didn't match on the outboard end. The problem? I had forgotten about the 3 degree washout in the wing and built my ailerons on a flat surface. D*M& My solution was to cut the aileron immediately behind the spar for about 75 percent of the length on one side, clamp the trail edges on the inboard and outboard end (putting the twist back in the aileron) and floxing the cut to hold that shape. I then removed the aileron and re-glassed the cut area back to the spar. Do it right or do it over............... Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:30:13 -0600 From: "Dan Michaels" Subject: Re: KR> TSO'd Instruments To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001a01c5e40c$5b84d6a0$6601a8c0@N32394> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I figured he was refering to identical instruments one TSO'd one not. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 5:03 PM Subject: Re: KR> TSO'd Instruments > At 12:28 PM 11/7/2005, you wrote: >>TSO'd instruments are generally the same as non TSO'd they just do not >>have >>the documentation for Ceritfied planes. >>Dan > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > And some are built "cheaper" ( can you say made in China) and are not > of the same quality. I'd suggest you decide just what you intend to > purchase and then post to the web to see if anyone has any experience > with that instrument / brand. > > Larry Flesner > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 11/5/2005 > > ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 20:45:28 -0600 From: Larry Flesner Subject: Re: KR> TSO'd Instruments To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051107203758.02fc0c70@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed At 08:30 PM 11/7/2005, you wrote: >I figured he was refering to identical instruments one TSO'd one not. >Dan ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ If they are TRULY identical and the only difference is the paperwork trail, my all means buy the non-TSO unit for an experimental project. I've also been around long enough to know that going cheap or cutting corners is usually false economy. Most times cheap is not the least expensive. :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:55:52 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Flight Report To: "KR Net" Message-ID: <000901c5e40f$ef1b18e0$6501a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I got my fix tonight. The withdrawal pains are gone for now. I arrived at the airport at 4:30 after work today. Civil sunset was at 4:37. Once I got the KR out of the hanger and preflighted her, I climbed in the cockpit and started the engine. What a sweet sound that was. It had been 9 days since I last heard her purr. By now it was beginning to get fairly dark so on went the nav lights, strobe lights and cockpit lights. I called up the control tower and asked for taxi to the active. Upon reaching the active, I was thinking I would stay in the pattern since I had not done any real dark night flying in some time. I announced ready to go along with my intentions and I was cleared for takeoff. Wow, it was pretty cool as the runway lights began to flash by and I rotated and climbed into the darkness. I was given right traffic pattern and made the turns to get on downwind. A Citation called in for landing and I was asked to extend my downwind and would be instructed when to turn base. I responded that I would like to extend the downwind right on out of their airspace and off into the darkness I went. I climbed on up to 3,000' and played around about 10 miles out. The lights of Milwaukee were absolutely beautiful. After about thirty minutes of sightseeing I called in "10 out north inbound for landing". He instructed me to report 3 mile final. I could no longer see any ground below me, just lights as I returned to KUES. The runway looked so small way out there in front of me. I noticed my heart was beating pretty hard. Must have been the adrenaline of making this dark night landing. It was pretty cool how the runway began to grow and the runway lights got brighter. Then I noticed the VASI and that I was seeing all red. I was 1.5 miles out and 500'. There goes the heart again...beating pretty hard. I stopped my decent till I had white over red and dropped the belly board and started getting her down to 75 over the numbers. I rotated and greased her in for a smoothie. True dark night flying is different and takes getting used to all over again. I will have to work on those decent to landing slopes. Other than that it was a YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA flight. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at www.flykr2s.com ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 21:22:16 -0600 From: Larry&Sallie Flesner Subject: Re: KR> Flight Report To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051107210032.02fcc5c8@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > Then I noticed the >VASI and that I was seeing all red. I was 1.5 miles out and 500'. There >goes the heart again...beating pretty hard. Mark Jones ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Most pilots tend to make lower approaches at night. Keep a close eye on the altimeter on night approaches even when you have VASI on the field. Know what altitude you intend to be at on each leg of a standard pattern and then fly the numbers. Another clue to watch for is any "flickering" of the lights on the approach end of the runway. If you are low you may have a tree between you and the end of the runway that is moving with the wind. I once made a night landing and noticed the lights going on and off. I knew I had trees on the approach but I also knew that I was high enough to clear them. I intentionally landed a bit long and as I passed over the approach end of the runway, my landing light showed five or six deer grazing at the runway edge. They had been walking back and forth in front of the lights causing them appear like they were flickering. If any runway light makes even a single blink it is cause for concern. Your post prompts me to share a poem I wrote after a night flight a few years back. I can't make an attachment so I'll include it after my signature for those that are interested. Ain't night flying great !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Larry Flesner NIGHT FLIGHT On a cool winter evening the sun pauses on the horizon, its duties of the day are done. It will soon disappear and the world will be hidden in the black of night. The creatures of the day will have their rest and slumber. My man-made wings lift me into a disappearing sky as darkness swallows up the earth below. A world of lights appear, illuminating paths for those unwilling to surrender to the powers of the night. I see trails that tiny creatures use to travel from place to place, ant-like in their lighted chariots. Trails that weave like ribbons dropped carelessly from a package to the floor below. I sense the presence of Gods, unseen, finding humor in their efforts. A tiny symbol moves slowly across the screen of the small magic box placed conveniently at my finger tips. It records my journey through the darkness, to the destination of my choosing, giving me direction across the featureless landscape. Lights, everywhere there are lights, confusing my senses. I feel as though I'm floating through the Milky Way. The constant motion of the tiny symbol is my only evidence of reality. The greatest beauties in life are too often enjoyed in solitude. My wish, to capture this moment and share it with the world, denied. I can only later speak, as a prophet with a vision, telling others of the beauty that I saw. The magic box, unhindered by the darkness, counts down the time I have remaining in this bird-like state. I guide my magic carpet on a slow decent through the darkness, merging time and place into a known reality. Then, once again, I'm bound in the microscopic world of fences and stop signs and I can only wonder if other earth bound souls were with me, in their own solitude, enjoying the beauty of the night. 2/14/2002 Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 20:45:53 -0700 From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" Subject: KR> Good fortune To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed All, I came upon a deal that I couldnt turn down. I bought a Revmaster turbo 2180, 2 speed metal prop, cowling, motor mount, oil cooler, basically the entire firewall forward package for a GREAT deal. Is there anything that I should investigate as part of having a used revmaster. I am told it has about 400 hours on it. I plan on rebuilding it anyway... The guy I bought it from also gave me an extra set of wings, wood, control stick... LOTS of little goodies. If anyone in the general colorado area needs a set of wings.. please contact me. Maybe you can speed up your project. I will have the items in a few weeks when I travel up into wyoming to get them. -Jeff ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:49:12 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Flight Report To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005301c5e417$623be3c0$6501a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Excellent poem Larry.... Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at www.flykr2s.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry&Sallie Flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 9:22 PM Subject: Re: KR> Flight Report > > > Then I noticed the > >VASI and that I was seeing all red. I was 1.5 miles out and 500'. > >There goes > >the heart again...beating pretty hard. > >Mark Jones > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Most pilots tend to make lower approaches at night. Keep a close eye > on the altimeter on night approaches even when you have VASI on the > field. Know what altitude you intend to be at on each leg of a > standard pattern and then fly the numbers. > > Another clue to watch for is any "flickering" of the lights on the approach > end of the runway. If you are low you may have a tree between you and > the end of the runway that is moving with the wind. I once made a > night landing and noticed the lights going on and off. I knew I had > trees on the approach but I also knew that I was high enough to clear > them. I intentionally landed a bit long and as I passed over the > approach end of the runway, my landing light showed five or six deer > grazing at the runway edge. They had been walking back and forth in > front of the lights causing them appear like they were flickering. If > any runway light makes even a single blink it is cause for concern. > > Your post prompts me to share a poem I wrote after a night flight a > few years back. I can't make an attachment so I'll include it after > my signature > for those that are interested. > > Ain't night flying great !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Larry Flesner > > > NIGHT FLIGHT > > > On a cool winter evening the sun pauses on the horizon, > its duties of the day are done. > It will soon disappear and the world will be hidden in the black of night. > The creatures of the day will have their rest and slumber. > > My man-made wings lift me into a disappearing sky > as darkness swallows up the earth below. > A world of lights appear, illuminating paths for those unwilling to > surrender to the powers of the night. > > I see trails that tiny creatures use to travel from place to place, > ant-like in their lighted chariots. Trails that weave like ribbons > dropped carelessly from a package to the floor below. > I sense the presence of Gods, unseen, finding humor in their efforts. > > A tiny symbol moves slowly across the screen of the > small magic box placed conveniently at my finger tips. > It records my journey through the darkness, to the destination of my > choosing, giving me direction across the featureless landscape. > > Lights, everywhere there are lights, confusing my senses. > I feel as though I'm floating through the Milky Way. > The constant motion of the tiny symbol is my only > evidence of reality. > > The greatest beauties in life are too often enjoyed in solitude. > My wish, to capture this moment and share it with the > world, denied. > I can only later speak, as a prophet with a vision, telling others > of the beauty that I saw. > > The magic box, unhindered by the darkness, counts down the > time I have remaining in this bird-like state. I guide my magic carpet > on a slow decent through the darkness, merging time and place into a > known reality. > > Then, once again, I'm bound in the microscopic world > of fences and stop signs and > I can only wonder if other earth bound souls were with me, > in their own solitude, enjoying the beauty of the night. > > > > 2/14/2002 Larry Flesner > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:11:56 -0500 From: "harold woods" Subject: KR> more accurate distance of wheels above runway on landings. To: Message-ID: <029201c5e41a$8f4eb5b0$0701a8c0@HAROLD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Netters, I would like to bounce this off all of you out there. The closer that you can monitor the distance that the main wheels are off the runway as you settle in for a landing, the better. You can purchase low cost laser measuring tapes. Would it be possible to shine the laser light out the bottom of the fuselage onto the ground? The laser then tells you how far the fuselage is off of the ground. In the hanger set up the fuselage so that the wheels are almost ready to touch the floor. Take a measurement. In the future turn the laser on and when you are almost at this predetermined distance, your wheels would be ready to touch. Turn on the gray matter. What can you come up with? Regards Harold Woods. Orillia,ON.Canada. haroldwoods@rogers.com ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:36:02 +1100 From: "Chris Johnston" Subject: KR> ANC-18 To: Message-ID: <00e101c5e41d$ed3f4ba0$5d4e20cb@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Can anyone tell me where on the FAA web site I can get ANC-18, or alternative sites, and can anyone reccommend any good books on wooden aircraft construction. Chris Johnston. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 448 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================