From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 450 Date: 11/8/2005 8:17:50 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: "virata sfogata". (Cris.) 2. Alberto Zorzi (Dan Heath) 3. Re: Good fortune (Dan Heath) 4. Re: Alberto Zorzi (Cris.) 5. 180 turn (Larry&Sallie Flesner) 6. 2005 Gathering pictures (Larry&Sallie Flesner) 7. Maneuvers (Colin Rainey) 8. Re: ANC-18 (Donald Reid) 9. Re: more accurate distance of wheels above runway on landings. (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 10. ........carb problems....... (Jerry Mahurin) 11. RE: ........carb problems....... (Mark Jones) 12. Re: Maneuvers (Cris.) 13. Back to KR basics (Serge VIDAL) 14. Re: Back to KR basics (Cris.) 15. Corvair College No. 9 (Oscar Zuniga) 16. R?f. : Re: KR> Back to KR basics (Serge VIDAL) 17. RE: TSO'd Instruments (Stephen Teate) 18. Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Back to KR basics (Cris.) 19. R?f. : Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Back to KR basics (Serge VIDAL) 20. Scoop on the cowling... (Cris.) 21. Re: 180 turn (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 22. engine (Roy & Libby Root) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 11:59:18 +0100 From: "Cris." Subject: Re: KR> "virata sfogata". To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The chandelle is a 180 turn with a sensible gain in altitude and a final speed slightly higher of the stall speed. In the middle you are with a bank of nearly 90. C. 2005/11/8, Hauck, John MAJ HHC-37th TRANS < john.hauck@arifjan.arcent.army.mil>: > > Sounds like an Immelmann turn. From WW I...I will google it later > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On > Behalf Of Dan Heath > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 1:56 PM > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: KR> "virata sfogata". > > Would that be a Chandelle? > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in > Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a > time for FLYING and the time for building > is OVER. > Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > -------Original Message------- > > So, help me with a different manuever name. > You dive to get speed, then pull until the nose gets to 30 degrees on > the horizon, then slightly turn loosing speed, get 110 degrees of bank > and go > back down to end the turn at the same speed you entered, but opposite > direction. > > We call it "virata sfogata". _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Land the airplane, rubber side down, main wheels first. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 06:10:43 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Alberto Zorzi To: Message-ID: <437087B3.000005.00584@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That is one beautiful airplane. Does it have a speed brake? If not, what is the handle in the center, for? What is the purpose of the scoop on top of the cowl? Has he put the wheel pants on it yet, I see that the brackets are on.? What is the engine? See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -------Original Message------- The plane I flew is the one of Alberto Zorzi, you al saw in the web page I posted weeks ago (http://www.aviocris.com/kr2s). ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 06:16:38 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Good fortune To: Message-ID: <43708916.000007.00584@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The metal prop would give me some concern. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -------Original Message------- I bought a Revmaster turbo 2180, 2 speed metal prop, ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 12:19:17 +0100 From: "Cris." Subject: Re: KR> Alberto Zorzi To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The engine is a Greatplains. The scoop on the top... he told me, but I cannot remember, so I'll ask him again :-) I'm sending an SMS, just wait! The wheel pants are on, now. And, yes, it has the speed brake. C. PS. Alberto is almost finished with his second project. It has flaps and wing tanks. 2005/11/8, Dan Heath : > > That is one beautiful airplane. Does it have a speed brake? If not, what > is > the handle in the center, for? What is the purpose of the scoop on top of > the cowl? Has he put the wheel pants on it yet, I see that the brackets > are > on.? What is the engine? > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for > building > is OVER. > > Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > > -------Original Message------- > > The plane I flew is the one of Alberto Zorzi, you al saw in the web page I > > posted weeks ago (http://www.aviocris.com/kr2s). > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Land the airplane, rubber side down, main wheels first. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 06:22:45 -0600 From: Larry&Sallie Flesner Subject: KR> 180 turn To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051108060018.02f6a910@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed At 04:56 AM 11/8/2005, you wrote: >It's something similar to a lazy eight if you do two of them, left and right >:-) >It's actually a turn of 180, in which you exit with same speed and altitude. >I'll try to get a translation and post it. >C. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I don't know that I've ever heard a name for that turn-around. If you go in to the turn with a steeper climb it would be similar to a hammerhead. I've always heard the term "duster turn" or "cotton patch turn" for a similar maneuver that uses less bank angle. Ag operators use it for a quick turnarounds. If possible, they will try to make their turn into the wind to make the diameter of the turn smaller. They start with a 45 degree turn off the spray run (down wind side if possible) , Pull to a steep angle , and begin their turn at maybe 45 to 60 degrees bank. As the airplane gets slow at the top ( near the 90 degree point in the turn) you unload the wing with a bit of forward stick and let the nose fall through to complete the turnaround. You pick up speed coming down and are right back on line for the next spray run. A former duster pilot I rode with on pipeline patrol showed me the maneuver and we used it on every turnaround on the pipeline. It's a very fast way to change direction and little chance of a low altitude stall/spin at the top of the turn if you unload the wing. If we have any duster pilots on the net they can correct me if I have any part of the maneuver wrong. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 06:27:35 -0600 From: Larry&Sallie Flesner Subject: KR> 2005 Gathering pictures To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051108062340.02f68bb0@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Netters, Bob Lee needs some good 2005 KR Gathering pictures to link to the Gathering web page. If you have pic's, please forward the link to Bob at: bob@flyboybob.com Thanks and thanks again to Bob for all his hard work on the Gathering web page. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 07:37:45 -0500 From: "Colin Rainey" Subject: KR> Maneuvers To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <410-220051128123745839@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cris It sounds like the maneuvers you were doing are derivatives of others, but not exactly correctly executed. For clarification: A Chandelle is a climbing 180 turn with initially constant angle of bank, usually 30 and increasing pitch until the 90 degree portion of the turn, at which point the angle of bank is gradually decreased and the pitch attitude is held constant, in order to arrive 180 degrees to the direction of the entry heading at MCA or minimum controllable airspeed, and maximum climb achieved. ( Maneuver originated from WW 1 to try and overcome the advantage another pilot had with altitude ). A Lazy Eight is accomplished by entering a climb with very little bank, allowing the speed decrease to add the bank, and the pilot only restricts the bank from going past 60 degrees to discourage the possibility of a cross controlled stall, and at the apex of the turn, 90 degree point, allows the nose to "fall" through, while slowly reducing bank angle, returning to the same altitude and on the reciprocal heading or 180 degrees from entry, and then performs the same thing on the other side to the right. These two maneuvers are taught in the US Commercial Pilot Rating. Both are referred to by CFI's as aerial ballet! The Immelman Turn is virtually half a loop, where a pilot enters a loop from a shallow dive, and as he reaches the apex of the top of the maneuver, he rolls the airplane back level, and continues on for a short amount of level flight to bring his aircraft in position above and behind his "adversary", and then enters a diving turn to engage his enemy at the completion of the maneuver. Colin Rainey brokerpilot96ta@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 07:44:51 -0500 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> ANC-18 To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20051108074114.01e53968@mail.peoplepc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:36 PM 11/7/2005, you wrote: >Can anyone tell me where on the FAA web site I can get ANC-18, or >alternative sites, and can anyone reccommend any good books on >wooden aircraft construction. I have an original copy of ANC-5, -18, and -19. I make high quality bound copies that I sell at just above my cost. There are details available on my website. I believe that EAA sells copies but they charge more than I do (shameless commercial commentary) Don Reid - donreid "at" peoplepc.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: AeroFoil, a 2-D Airfoil Design And Analysis Computer Program: http://aerofoilengineering.com KR2XL construction: http://aerofoilengineering.com/KR/KR2XL.htm Aviation Surplus: http://aerofoilengineering.com/PartsListing/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA Regional Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 07:43:03 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> more accurate distance of wheels above runway on landings. To: haroldwoods@rogers.com,krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051108.075257.2572.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Why ? Look at your sight picture on landing, Virg On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:11:56 -0500 "harold woods" writes: > Hi Netters, > > I would like to bounce this off all of you out there. > > The closer that you can monitor the distance that the main wheels > are off > the runway as you settle in for a landing, the better. You can > purchase low > cost laser measuring tapes. Would it be possible to shine the laser > light > out the bottom of the fuselage onto the ground? The laser then tells > you how > far the fuselage is off of the ground. In the hanger set up the > fuselage so > that the wheels are almost ready to touch the floor. Take a > measurement. In > the future turn the laser on and when you are almost at this > predetermined > distance, your wheels would be ready to touch. > > Turn on the gray matter. What can you come up with? > > Regards > > Harold Woods. > > Orillia,ON.Canada. > > haroldwoods@rogers.com > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 07:55:41 -0500 From: Jerry Mahurin Subject: KR> ........carb problems....... To: KRnet Message-ID: <3812d7480511080455h5bf403aftc56d882b05c51f4@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Netheads, Here are some of my thoughts on our carbureation problems..........whattaUthink...??? Every carb that I know of except the Ellison intorduces fuel into the airflow thru one orfice (hole, jet). Only the velocity of air passing that hole has any effects; the direction has no effect. Therefore whether the air is parallel to the throat of the carb, sometimes called 'ram' air or circular' called 'turbulant' air, matters not; only the velocity..... Now the Ellison has a series of holes in a spray bar across the throat of the carb with fuel comming out of each and sensitive to the direction of the airflow. As a matter of fact, you get your mixture control by changing the angle of these holes to the direction of the airflow. So it seems to me that the Ellison would not tolerate turbulent, non liner, airflow very well. Therefore I do not think that our 'plenum' intake is going to be very satisfactory and we will probably have to go to a more linear, 'ram' if you will', intake. We will not be looking for any 'air packing' or '.....charging' effect, just liner down the throat airflow. Comments and or suggestions will be most appreciated. Maybe I should jump into a foxhole.....??? Keep on keeping on, -- Jerry Mahurin - aka - KRJerry Lugoff, SC 29078 ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 07:26:45 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: KR> ........carb problems....... To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F35C102F1@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jerry, You are correct in thinking the Ellison does not like turbulent air. The absolute best thing for you to do is study this web link http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/airbox/ which happens to be Mark Langford's air box design and as best as possible duplicate it for your engine. I used his design for the most part and neither he nor I have had any problems with our Ellison carbs. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://www.flykr2s.com Email: mailto:flykr2s@wi.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Jerry Mahurin Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 6:56 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR> ........carb problems....... Netheads, Here are some of my thoughts on our carbureation problems..........whattaUthink...??? Every carb that I know of except the Ellison intorduces fuel into the airflow thru one orfice (hole, jet). Only the velocity of air passing that hole has any effects; the direction has no effect. Therefore whether the air is parallel to the throat of the carb, sometimes called 'ram' air or circular' called 'turbulant' air, matters not; only the velocity..... Now the Ellison has a series of holes in a spray bar across the throat of the carb with fuel comming out of each and sensitive to the direction of the airflow. As a matter of fact, you get your mixture control by changing the angle of these holes to the direction of the airflow. So it seems to me that the Ellison would not tolerate turbulent, non liner, airflow very well. Therefore I do not think that our 'plenum' intake is going to be very satisfactory and we will probably have to go to a more linear, 'ram' if you will', intake. We will not be looking for any 'air packing' or '.....charging' effect, just liner down the throat airflow. Comments and or suggestions will be most appreciated. Maybe I should jump into a foxhole.....??? Keep on keeping on, -- Jerry Mahurin - aka - KRJerry Lugoff, SC 29078 _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:33:26 +0100 From: "Cris." Subject: Re: KR> Maneuvers To: brokerpilot96ta@earthlink.net, KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't know if thewingover I described is not correct, but I think that it's my lack of english knowledge :-) C. 2005/11/8, Colin Rainey : > > Cris > It sounds like the maneuvers you were doing are derivatives of others, but > not exactly correctly executed. > For clarification: > A Chandelle is a climbing 180 turn with initially constant angle of bank, > usually 30 and increasing pitch until the 90 degree portion of the turn, at > which point the angle of bank is gradually decreased and the pitch attitude > is held constant, in order to arrive 180 degrees to the direction of the > entry heading at MCA or minimum controllable airspeed, and maximum climb > achieved. ( Maneuver originated from WW 1 to try and overcome the advantage > another pilot had with altitude ). > A Lazy Eight is accomplished by entering a climb with very little bank, > allowing the speed decrease to add the bank, and the pilot only restricts > the bank from going past 60 degrees to discourage the possibility of a cross > controlled stall, and at the apex of the turn, 90 degree point, allows the > nose to "fall" through, while slowly reducing bank angle, returning to the > same altitude and on the reciprocal heading or 180 degrees from entry, and > then performs the same thing on the other side to the right. > These two maneuvers are taught in the US Commercial Pilot Rating. Both are > referred to by CFI's as aerial ballet! > > The Immelman Turn is virtually half a loop, where a pilot enters a loop > from a shallow dive, and as he reaches the apex of the top of the maneuver, > he rolls the airplane back level, and continues on for a short amount of > level flight to bring his aircraft in position above and behind his > "adversary", and then enters a diving turn to engage his enemy at the > completion of the maneuver. > > > Colin Rainey > brokerpilot96ta@earthlink.net > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Land the airplane, rubber side down, main wheels first. ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:39:28 +0100 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: KR> Back to KR basics To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sorry, Dan. Sent it to you only by mistake. ----- Réacheminé par Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM le 2005-11-08 14:39 ----- Serge VIDAL 2005-11-08 14:32 Pour : "Dan Heath" cc : Objet : Back to KR basics I am very pleased to inform you that I received my European Private Pilot's License (by mail) today! Boy, that was not easy. There was no way I could convert my South African PPL in France, so I had to take the written test and the flight test. Preparing for the flight test took me a good 7 flight hours, and the flight test was two and a half hours of hard work. The hardest part was to learn to fly in French, and in the congested French airspace. So, I am done, and I can now concentrate on finishing to rebuild the KR2. With an extra incentive: I am a member of a homebuilders association that owns a homebuilt Jodel D-18, which I can now rent for dirt cheap. So, each time I make the long trip to see my aircraft (one hour forty minutes drive, traffic jams not included), I can reward myself with a D-18 flight. I only have a couple more small parts to make before I can start reassembling. Two are mere L-shaped brackets that hold the wing root mounted aluminum fuel tanks in place. Two are L'shaped aluminum brackets with a threaded insert, which will hold on the wing WAFs, and provide a threaded hole to fit removeable tie-down brackets. Then, I also need to order a couple more nuts, bolts and cable accessories, which I will once again import from the US, I guess it's time to start filing the paperwork. Because there is a good chance I can start testing next year. Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:42:12 +0100 From: "Cris." Subject: Re: KR> Back to KR basics To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > So, each > time I make the long trip to see my aircraft (one hour forty minutes > drive, traffic jams not included), That's the "con" when you live in a big city with a large CTR. Especially if, as I do, fly an ultralight and the airfield must be out of it. C. -- Land the airplane, rubber side down, main wheels first. ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 08:18:11 -0600 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> Corvair College No. 9 To: krnet@mylist.net, pietenpol-list@matronics.com, corvaircraft@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed William has posted an update on the Corvair College on his website, at http://www.flycorvair.com/cc9.html . The update has instructions regarding arrivals and parking, as well as a good breakdown of the main phases of engine construction and what you'll need for each phase. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:19:58 +0100 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : Re: KR> Back to KR basics To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Oh, there re many airfields closer than that. But there is simply no hangarage available. Serge "Cris." Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-11-08 14:42 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-11-08 14:42 Pour : KRnet cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: KR> Back to KR basics > So, each > time I make the long trip to see my aircraft (one hour forty minutes > drive, traffic jams not included), That's the "con" when you live in a big city with a large CTR. Especially if, as I do, fly an ultralight and the airfield must be out of it. C. -- Land the airplane, rubber side down, main wheels first. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:41:04 -0600 From: "Stephen Teate" Subject: RE: KR> TSO'd Instruments To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <98DAC793BA09104DA961CAFAA33C7958080809@ccs-svr1.CCS.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Yea Dan I was. Cost is obviously a big concern and since it is an experimental and VFR at that it will probably be the deciding factor. Thanks for the input I just wanted to be sure I wasn't missing something. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Dan Michaels Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:30 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> TSO'd Instruments I figured he was refering to identical instruments one TSO'd one not. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 5:03 PM Subject: Re: KR> TSO'd Instruments > At 12:28 PM 11/7/2005, you wrote: >>TSO'd instruments are generally the same as non TSO'd they just do not >>have >>the documentation for Ceritfied planes. >>Dan > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > And some are built "cheaper" ( can you say made in China) and are > not of the same quality. I'd suggest you decide just what you intend > to purchase and then post to the web to see if anyone has any > experience with that instrument / brand. > > Larry Flesner > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 11/5/2005 > > _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:47:49 +0100 From: "Cris." Subject: Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Back to KR basics To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Where do you keep your Kilimanjaro Cloud? C. 2005/11/8, Serge VIDAL : > > Oh, there re many airfields closer than that. But there is simply no > hangarage available. > > Serge > > > > > > "Cris." > > Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net > 2005-11-08 14:42 > Veuillez répondre à KRnet > Remis le : 2005-11-08 14:42 > > > Pour : KRnet > cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) > Objet : Re: KR> Back to KR basics > > > > > So, each > > time I make the long trip to see my aircraft (one hour forty minutes > > drive, traffic jams not included), > > That's the "con" when you live in a big city with a large CTR. Especially > if, as I do, fly an ultralight and the airfield must be out of it. > > C. > > -- > Land the airplane, rubber side down, main wheels first. > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Land the airplane, rubber side down, main wheels first. ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:01:47 +0100 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : Re: R?f. : Re: KR> Back to KR basics To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Orleans. About 130 kilometers south of Paris.The airfield is called Saint-Denis de l'Hôtel. "Cris." Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-11-08 15:47 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-11-08 15:48 Pour : KRnet cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: Réf. : Re: KR> Back to KR basics Where do you keep your Kilimanjaro Cloud? C. 2005/11/8, Serge VIDAL : > > Oh, there re many airfields closer than that. But there is simply no > hangarage available. > > Serge > > > > > > "Cris." > > Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net > 2005-11-08 14:42 > Veuillez répondre à KRnet > Remis le : 2005-11-08 14:42 > > > Pour : KRnet > cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) > Objet : Re: KR> Back to KR basics > > > > > So, each > > time I make the long trip to see my aircraft (one hour forty minutes > > drive, traffic jams not included), > > That's the "con" when you live in a big city with a large CTR. Especially > if, as I do, fly an ultralight and the airfield must be out of it. > > C. > > -- > Land the airplane, rubber side down, main wheels first. > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Land the airplane, rubber side down, main wheels first. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:39:44 +0100 From: "Cris." Subject: KR> Scoop on the cowling... To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have the answer. Under Alberto's KR cowling there's the electronic ignition pickup, installed in the place once occupied by the mechanical fuel pump. Alberto installed two electric pumps, instead. C. -- Land the airplane, rubber side down, main wheels first. ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 10:45:23 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> 180 turn To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051108.105107.2572.3.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How about a Vertical Reverse ? Virg On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 06:22:45 -0600 Larry&Sallie Flesner writes: > At 04:56 AM 11/8/2005, you wrote: > >It's something similar to a lazy eight if you do two of them, left > and right > >:-) > >It's actually a turn of 180, in which you exit with same speed and > altitude. > >I'll try to get a translation and post it. > >C. > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > I don't know that I've ever heard a name for that turn-around. If > you go > in to the turn with a steeper climb it would be similar to a > hammerhead. > > I've always heard the term "duster turn" or "cotton patch turn" for > a similar > maneuver that uses less bank angle. Ag operators use it for a > quick > turnarounds. If possible, they will try to make their turn into the > wind > to make the diameter of the turn smaller. > > They start with a 45 degree turn off the spray run (down wind side > if > possible) , Pull to a steep angle , and begin their turn at maybe 45 > to > 60 degrees bank. As the airplane gets slow at the top ( near the > 90 > degree point in the turn) you unload the wing with a bit of forward > stick > and let the nose fall through to complete the turnaround. You pick > up > speed coming down and are right back on line for the next spray > run. > > A former duster pilot I rode with on pipeline patrol showed me the > maneuver and we used it on every turnaround on the pipeline. > It's a very fast way to change direction and little chance of a low > altitude stall/spin at the top of the turn if you unload the wing. > If we have any duster pilots on the net they can correct me if > I have any part of the maneuver wrong. > > Larry Flesner > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:10:42 -0800 From: "Roy & Libby Root" Subject: KR> engine To: "k r net" Message-ID: <000e01c5e47e$faa42200$61900b45@catspaws> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I AM IN THE MARKET FOR A REVMASTER 2180 TURBO. SOMETHING ON THE ORDER OF WHAT JEFF WILDER FOUND. ANYONE KNOW THE BALLPARK PRICE ON ONE? ROY ROOTARIZONA ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 450 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================