From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 455 Date: 11/10/2005 4:48:37 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Radio Suggestions (Allen Wiesner ) 2. Re: Happy Birthday (Fred Lowerre) 3. Re: Radio Suggestions (Barry Kruyssen) 4. Re: Civil unrest in France (Phil Matheson) 5. Re: Happy Birthday (patrusso) 6. RE: diehl wing skins (Wood, Sidney M.) 7. RE: Report from the airport (John Godwin) 8. KR1 project for sale with 0smoh revmaster 2100 (The Strattons) 9. RE: diehl wing skins (larry severson) 10. Re: RE: KR> diehl wing skins (danrh@alltel.net) 11. RE: RE: KR> diehl wing skins (Stephen Teate) 12. lighting systems (Oscar Zuniga) 13. RE: lighting systems (Ron Freiberger) 14. RE: RE: KR> diehl wing skins (larry severson) 15. Re: lighting systems (patrusso) 16. RE: lighting systems (Stephen Teate) 17. Re: lighting systems (M & C) 18. Re: lighting systems (Larry&Sallie Flesner) 19. W&B and Oil issues (Dan Heath) 20. RE: RE: KR> diehl wing skins (Larry&Sallie Flesner) 21. RE: lighting systems (Larry&Sallie Flesner) 22. Re: W&B and Oil issues (Ron Lee) 23. RE: RE: KR> diehl wing skins (Dan Heath) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:21:04 -0500 From: "Allen Wiesner " Subject: Re: KR>Radio Suggestions To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006701c5e5b6$8d28d840$fee64345@CPQ69645694259> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Check out Jim Weir's article which appeared in Kitplanes. http://www.rst-engr.com/kitplanes/Micro760/Micro760.htm http://www.rst-engr.com/kitplanes/Micro760/KPtext.pdf As the article mentions, the box is slightly larger than a "standard" 2 1/4" instrument hole, and the XMIT Key line voltage has to be below .4V, not the "standard" 1.5V (nominal ground, after going thru a couple of diodes in the audio switching panel, and wiring and switch contact resistance). Also, his article in this month's (Dec.) Kitplanes is on the XCOM 760, note that there are two prices, $1200 from a U.S. distributor (i.e. AS&S) and $1050 direct from the XCOM website. http://www.mcp.com.au/xcom760/ Also, Barry Kruyssen and/or John Martindale (if either is willing) might be able to get either one even cheaper, but then there would be extra for shipping. Allen G. Wiesner KR-2SS/TD S/N 1118 65 Franklin Street Ansonia, CT 06401-1240 (203) 732-0508 flashyal@usadatanet.net ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:35:42 -0800 (PST) From: Fred Lowerre Subject: Re: KR> Happy Birthday To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051110063542.55730.qmail@web35808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Anyone going to attend "Aviation Nation" in Las Vegas this weekend? Allen Wiesner wrote:To all Marines, Semper Fi! _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:25:02 +1000 From: "Barry Kruyssen" Subject: Re: KR>Radio Suggestions To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <039001c5e5d8$a26ff4f0$7900a8c0@technologyonecorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Only to happy to help if I can get a better price. ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Wiesner Also, his article in this month's (Dec.) Kitplanes is on the XCOM 760, note that there are two prices, $1200 from a U.S. distributor (i.e. AS&S) and $1050 direct from the XCOM website. http://www.mcp.com.au/xcom760/ Also, Barry Kruyssen and/or John Martindale (if either is willing) might be able to get either one even cheaper, but then there would be extra for shipping. Allen G. Wiesner KR-2SS/TD S/N 1118 65 Franklin Street Ansonia, CT 06401-1240 (203) 732-0508 flashyal@usadatanet.net ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:07:12 +1100 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Civil unrest in France To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <015c01c5e5df$230d7780$b3a1443d@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Sorry Mate My server is playing up I just got your reply Phil Matheson mathesonp@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ http://corvair.vw-engines.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:32:21 -0500 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> Happy Birthday To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <003c01c5e5ea$6a8360b0$a3a672d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Damn, I joined the Marines 50 (FIFTY) years ago. Don't remind me of my age. I am getting forgetful, but still remember vividly that I am 1554579 and spent 4 years, six months, thirteen days and 8 hours. Was counting the days to discharge?, you bet! I was in Marine airwing, electronic tech and then we had lots of corsairs on the flight line. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Wiesner " To: "KRnet" Cc: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:28 PM Subject: KR> Happy Birthday > To all Marines, Semper Fi! _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:30:01 -0500 From: "Wood, Sidney M." Subject: RE: KR> diehl wing skins To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" KR-2 N6242 has Diehl wing skins. These are RAF 48 and extend the wing span to 23 feet 6 inches. The skins are made from Vinyl Ester Resin. You must use Vinyl Ester Resin for any and all glue work that touches the skins. You must not use epoxy to glue the Vinyl Ester skins. Epoxy will not bond to cured Vinyl Ester. As the Vinyl Ester Resin cures it releases Styrene fumes that will turn your workshop into a gas chamber. A charcoal respirator rated for organic fumes will handle that. Make sure you have plenty of ventilation and the fumes do not go into the house so the dog, cat, goldfish, significant other, etc. don't get gassed out. You have to build the spars with the taper to match the skins per the Diehl plans. If you have already built the spars according to the RR plans for KR-2, you will need to junk the outer spars and build new ones, or do some weird mods which may not be safe. If you build in wing tanks per the Diehl plans, be certain that you have at least two more helpers who thoroughly understand what they are doing when you put the top skin on. And if they use glasses for reading or bifocals, MAKE DAMN SURE THEY ARE WEARING THEIR GLASSES. Don't ask why I make a fuss about that. You only get one chance to put the top skin on and you got to do it right that first time. One of the distinct advantages of Vinyl Ester Resin is that it is fuel proof. This stuff was originally developed to coat the inside of fuel tanks in refineries. Epoxy will tolerate 100 LL but will deteriorate with automotive fuels. There are additives, such as ethanol, butane, TCP, etc., in automotive fuels that will slowly destroy epoxy; Vinyl Ester is totally immune to these chemicals. I had a brief conversation with Dan Diehl a few years ago regarding the KR-2S airfoil. He had thought about producing wing skins for the KR-2S, but decided that the new tooling expense was not justified for the limited sets that he could sell. I do not know if he has revisited that decision. You could contact him at Diehl Aero-Nautical, 1855 North Elm, Jenks, OK 74037 (918) 299-4445 for further information. Sid Wood Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD USA Sidney.wood@titan.com See http://diehlaero.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad Stenson" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:18 AM Subject: KR> diehl wing skins > Everyone, > > What are anyone's thoughts on the Diehl wing skins on a KR2S? I would > assume they use the original RAF48 airfoil rather than the new one > correct? Pros or cons? $1800 doesn't seem too bad to me. Does the > additional wingspan take away any on the cruise speeds? > > Thanks > chad > > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:10:14 -0500 From: "John Godwin" Subject: RE: KR> Report from the airport To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <410-2200511410141014570@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > [Original Message] > From: Dan Heath > To: > Date: 11/9/2005 9:35:43 PM > Subject: KR> Report from the airport > >Dan, Let me know when you plan on first flight Matt Elder and I might fly up to watch. > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building > is OVER. > > Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:34:56 -0800 From: "The Strattons" Subject: KR> KR1 project for sale with 0smoh revmaster 2100 To: Message-ID: <000a01c5e60c$4f639710$53a5a541@VILLAROSA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi everyone! I have for sale a KR-1, mostly complete, may need a few more parts, but lot of stuff: epoxies, spruce, glass, foam, prop, engine, canopy, extra brakes and wheels, on Diel gear but have retract, baffling, etc, etc. The motor was just completed by Revmaster ($2000 "freshen-up") with revflow carb, Prop just redone (beautiful Warnke wood), Diel gear , instrument panel with instruments. Needs: turtle deck built, cowl built, ailerons installed, paint, finish. Or PART IT OUT and make some money. $4000 Adam in Northern California 209-304-1740 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:03:18 -0800 From: larry severson Subject: RE: KR> diehl wing skins To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051110075951.03298108@socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >The skins are made from Vinyl Ester Resin. You must use Vinyl Ester >Resin for any and all glue work that touches the skins. You must >not use epoxy to glue the Vinyl Ester skins. Epoxy will not bond to >cured Vinyl Ester. You have that backwards. Vinyl ester will not bond with epoxy. Epoxy bonds beautifully with VE according to the composites chair at Cerritos College (rated the best composite training school in the U.S. by Composites Manufacturing Magazine). Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:19:17 -0600 From: Subject: Re: RE: KR> diehl wing skins To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051110171917.JIYE18995.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@[166.102.165.30]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My experience says that Epoxy does not bond well to VE. When we are talking wings, use VE and nothing else. I am sure that is what Dan Diehl would recommend. If you rough it up enough, epoxy will make a bond, but I don't think it good enough to trust to your wings. Dan H. From: larry severson Date: 2005/11/10 Thu AM 10:03:18 CST To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> diehl wing skins >The skins are made from Vinyl Ester Resin. You must use Vinyl Ester >Resin for any and all glue work that touches the skins. You must >not use epoxy to glue the Vinyl Ester skins. Epoxy will not bond to >cured Vinyl Ester. You have that backwards. Vinyl ester will not bond with epoxy. Epoxy bonds beautifully with VE according to the composites chair at Cerritos College (rated the best composite training school in the U.S. by Composites Manufacturing Magazine). Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:45:47 -0600 From: "Stephen Teate" Subject: RE: RE: KR> diehl wing skins To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <98DAC793BA09104DA961CAFAA33C79580808E3@ccs-svr1.CCS.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You are correct. I reviewed Dan's tape again last weekend and he relates a story of one customer who used safety-poxy to join the skins. Apparently the customer "bumped" them after they were cured and they cracked along the seam. The customer then peeled them off the airplane! Stephen -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of danrh@alltel.net Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 11:19 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: RE: KR> diehl wing skins My experience says that Epoxy does not bond well to VE. When we are talking wings, use VE and nothing else. I am sure that is what Dan Diehl would recommend. If you rough it up enough, epoxy will make a bond, but I don't think it good enough to trust to your wings. Dan H. From: larry severson Date: 2005/11/10 Thu AM 10:03:18 CST To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> diehl wing skins >The skins are made from Vinyl Ester Resin. You must use Vinyl Ester >Resin for any and all glue work that touches the skins. You must >not use epoxy to glue the Vinyl Ester skins. Epoxy will not bond to >cured Vinyl Ester. You have that backwards. Vinyl ester will not bond with epoxy. Epoxy bonds beautifully with VE according to the composites chair at Cerritos College (rated the best composite training school in the U.S. by Composites Manufacturing Magazine). Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:41:03 -0600 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> lighting systems To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I know some of this has been hashed out here before, but I was reading an article in Sport Aviation last night and saw a statement I had not seen before. The statement was that nav lights have to be wired independently from anti-collision lights. Purpose being that if something smokes, you don't go completely dark to the outside world. What I'm wondering is how far the separation of wiring should be. For example, it is easy to run a common ground out the wing or to the tail for both systems, but it would seem that that approach would not comply and that separate grounds (DC negative) wires should be run for each system, back to the main ground bus. The discussion here (and other lists concerned with experimentals) is that our systems and lighting need not comply with TSO's for equipment nor approved materials for installation. I do think we all agree that best practices should be followed, therefore my question. Comments-? Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:46:49 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> lighting systems To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <000701c5e637$e28899c0$6400a8c0@Disorganized> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Oscar, I think it's just so you can manage them. Strobes in fog is very much a no-no. I don't think common ground is an issue. Ron Freiberger mail to ronandmartha@earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 2:41 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> lighting systems I know some of this has been hashed out here before, but I was reading an article in Sport Aviation last night and saw a statement I had not seen before. The statement was that nav lights have to be wired independently from anti-collision lights. Purpose being that if something smokes, you don't go completely dark to the outside world. What I'm wondering is how far the separation of wiring should be. For example, it is easy to run a common ground out the wing or to the tail for both systems, but it would seem that that approach would not comply and that separate grounds (DC negative) wires should be run for each system, back to the main ground bus. The discussion here (and other lists concerned with experimentals) is that our systems and lighting need not comply with TSO's for equipment nor approved materials for installation. I do think we all agree that best practices should be followed, therefore my question. Comments-? Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:45:44 -0800 From: larry severson Subject: RE: RE: KR> diehl wing skins To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051110123758.01c71ac8@socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:45 AM 11/10/2005, you wrote: >You are correct. I reviewed Dan's tape again last weekend and he >relates a story of one customer who used safety-poxy to join the skins. >Apparently the customer "bumped" them after they were cured and they >cracked along the seam. The customer then peeled them off the airplane! If the customer did not abrade the attach area, that would be the effect. However, (I queried an expert) I understood that epoxy would be an effective join for vinyl ester, but not the other way. True? (response from an expert) Larry , if the part is made of VE and you join or bond it with an epoxy joint compound np. because of the more aggressive covalent bond and lap shear of the epoxy. Vinylester as a joining compound has a much lower youg's modulus and subsequent lapshear so that is correct. Regards, Damian Gregory N8427 Q200 What he is saying is that one should always go equal of better in bonding two parts. polyester bonding use polyester, vinyl ester, or epoxy vinyl ester use vinyl ester or epoxy epoxy use ONLY epoxy Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:18:57 -0500 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> lighting systems To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <001001c5e63c$5ce2c980$73a772d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original While we are on the subject of wireing, I screwed a 1/8x1'' piece of aluminum along the inside of the fuselage from tail to firewall via one of the bolts holding the engine mount. It seems to work just fine for a common ground but I wonder if it is kosher. My battery is behind the seat, connected directly to it. Any comments? Also, since my battery is back there, I had to make my head rest panel easily removeable for jump starting. I do not have hangar space but thought I had a good protective tarp sown for it. Water did leak into it during the past two weeks, making the last three bays over the tail wheel fill with water. I had to drill a series of drain holes to solve the problem temporarily. What with the frosts that we are getting now, it very well could have iced up. Either way, it would have caused quite a weight and balance problem had I not had to jump start that day. There's a lot more work owning a completed plane than building it. Something always need fixing or changing. ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:31:09 -0600 From: "Stephen Teate" Subject: RE: KR> lighting systems To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <98DAC793BA09104DA961CAFAA33C7958080917@ccs-svr1.CCS.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I hope so. I intend to do the same thing with a piece of aluminum braiding that I think is usually used to shield large cable. As long as I don't overload it, it should work fine. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+steate=compositecooling.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+steate=compositecooling.com@mylist.net] On Behalf Of patrusso Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 3:19 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> lighting systems "While we are on the subject of wireing, I screwed a 1/8x1'' piece of aluminum along the inside of the fuselage from tail to firewall via one of the bolts holding the engine mount. It seems to work just fine for a common ground but I wonder if it is kosher. My battery is behind the seat, connected directly to it. Any comments?" _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:16:34 -0600 From: "M & C" Subject: Re: KR> lighting systems To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I think the only requirement is that they are not on the same switch so I think a common ground would be permissable. Mike Turner Jackson, Missouri Swing the prop and light the fire, dance amoung the stars.........N642MC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "'KRnet'" Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 2:46 PM Subject: RE: KR> lighting systems > Oscar, I think it's just so you can manage them. Strobes in fog is very > much a no-no. I don't think common ground is an issue. > > Ron Freiberger > mail to ronandmartha@earthlink.net > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On > Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 2:41 PM > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: KR> lighting systems > > > I know some of this has been hashed out here before, but I was reading > an article in Sport Aviation last night and saw a statement I had not > seen before. The statement was that nav lights have to be wired > independently > from anti-collision lights. Purpose being that if something smokes, you > > don't go completely dark to the outside world. What I'm wondering is > how far the separation of wiring should be. For example, it is easy > to run a > common ground out the wing or to the tail for both systems, but it would > > seem that that approach would not comply and that separate grounds (DC > negative) wires should be run for each system, back to the main ground > bus. > > The discussion here (and other lists concerned with experimentals) is > that our systems and lighting need not comply with TSO's for equipment > nor approved materials for installation. I do think we all agree that > best practices should be followed, therefore my question. Comments-? > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:17:40 -0600 From: Larry&Sallie Flesner Subject: Re: KR> lighting systems To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051110165501.0355e7a0@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >The discussion here (and other lists concerned with experimentals) is >that our systems and lighting need not comply with TSO's for equipment >nor approved materials for installation. I do think we all agree that >best practices should be followed, therefore my question. Comments-? >Oscar Zuniga +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I suspect that the area of coverage for the lighting system must comply but the installation itself would pretty much be up to the builder. When considering an installation in my KR I would weigh the following. First, what are the odds of the wiring itself failing in a properly installed system using quality materials. It's usually the bulbs, sockets, etc at the end of the system that fail. A common ground wire capable of handling the return of both systems seems adequate to me. Unless you go with completely separate breakers also, a short in one unit will likely shut down the entire system anyway. Second, how much night flying do you realistically think you'll do in a KR anyway? If you did 10 hours of night over the course of 250 flying hours the odds of a failure with the wiring are pretty small. Third, consider the area you're flying in. I seldom see another airplane at night except the airliners at 30,000 feet and I'm flying a KR so I doubt if they could catch me to run over me. :-) In the event of a failure, you have a radio and will be announcing your location to other traffic when near an airport. All in all, I consider it a "nit" in the overall scheme of things. How many mid-air collisions have you heard of happening at night? They seem to happen during the day in the best possible weather. Just my opinion. It's yours that counts.......... Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:54:22 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> W&B and Oil issues To: Message-ID: <4373DDAE.000007.00484@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Our final W & B should happen on Saturday as I have finally located some Race Car scales, and will be able to borrow them for the weekend. On the leaking oil issue, I think the oil leak is mostly "blow by" coming out of the dip stick tube. Steve Bennett says that there will be excessive "blow by until the rings seat and he advised me that the relief tube out of the collector should be 3/8". I will remedy that immediately by removing the 1/4 tube and replacing the fitting with one for a 3/8" tube. Don't have any 3/8 tube, but I'll bet one of these RV builders down at the airport has some. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:58:31 -0600 From: Larry&Sallie Flesner Subject: RE: RE: KR> diehl wing skins To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051110175104.03564b98@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >My experience says that Epoxy does not bond well to VE. When we are >talking wings, use VE and nothing else. I am sure that is what Dan >Diehl would recommend. Dan H. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I'm sure that's good advise but I suspect that the builder that had the wings crack did little in the way of prep work other than "slapping them on". I used nothing but epoxy to install my VE pre-molded turtle deck, forward deck, and cowling. I sanded the edges in the bonding area down well and then used epoxy based fill over most of the area. 182 hours and no problems to date. As always, your results may vary. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:19:10 -0600 From: Larry&Sallie Flesner Subject: RE: KR> lighting systems To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051110175912.0275a9c0@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > >"While we are on the subject of wireing, I screwed a 1/8x1'' piece of >aluminum along the inside of the fuselage from tail to firewall via one >of the bolts holding the engine mount. It seems to work just fine for a >common ground but I wonder if it is kosher. My battery is behind the >seat, connected directly to it. Any comments?" ( Pat ? ) >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >I hope so. I intend to do the same thing with a piece of aluminum >braiding that I think is usually used to shield large cable. As long as >I don't overload it, it should work fine. Stephen >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The 1/8"X1" piece of aluminum all the way to the tail seems a bit much. If it works for the starter current I'd at least cut it off at the battery and run just small gauge wires to the tail for any lights. As for Stephen's braid, I can't imagine what size of wire it came off of to be heavy enough to carry starting current. Also, aluminum of any kind, strip or braid, will be more likely to corrode than a shielded copper cable. Go to the hardware store and get some #2 welders cable to make your battery cables. I think it was #2 I used, I'd have to check. It is multi-strand shielded cable that is very flexible and should easily handle the load of starting. You have a fairly long run if your battery is behind the seat and your battery is going to need all the help it can get for a nice crisp engine start. I got my 1.2 hour KR fix in this afternoon. I came home singing "It's a great day for flying around, It's a great day for leaving the ground, la da da, da da da da da."....................:-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:47:01 -0700 From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR> W&B and Oil issues To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20051110174614.01c3c848@mail.pcisys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > I will remedy that immediately by removing the 1/4 > tube and replacing the fitting with one for a 3/8" tube. Don't have >any 3/8 tube, but I'll bet one of these RV builders down at the airport >has some. Or the KR aviation section of your local hardware store Ron Lee ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:47:37 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: RE: RE: KR> diehl wing skins To: Message-ID: <4373EA29.000009.00484@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think that wings and other areas have a different level of criticality and stress. I also did not use VE on areas other than the wings and you can get a good bond, but it is just good. When Jerry and I installed the first windshield made from Lexan, anyone remember how long ago that was?, well, I bonded it to the forward deck which is made using VE, using Aero Poxy. When I had to remove it, all I had to do was to get the fiberglass tape started peeling off and then gave it a healthy yank and up it came. Not something I want to trust to the wings. I did continue to use Aero Poxy on the final windshield that is in there now, and it is what bonds the VE turtle deck to the fuselage. Rough it up good and you can get a good bond, but as Larry says,... See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -------Original Message------- > >My experience says that Epoxy does not bond well to VE. When we are >talking wings, use VE and nothing else. I am sure that is what Dan >Diehl would recommend. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I used nothing but epoxy to install my VE pre-molded turtle deck, forward deck, and cowling. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 455 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================