From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 458 Date: 11/12/2005 7:21:47 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: I Salute you. (patrusso) 2. Re: I Salute you. (Bob Glidden) 3. missing subject lines (AVLEC) 4. another flight (Joseph H Horton) 5. Re: NTSB Preliminary on Steve Jones (arnold d seligman) 6. fatal gyro crash (Oscar Zuniga) 7. Re: I Salute you. (paulwasp@webtv.net) 8. Angels on my wing. (Mark Jones) 9. Re: diehl wing skins (Phil Matheson) 10. Re: diehl wing skins (w.higdon9604@comcast.net) 11. Final W & B Done (Dan Heath) 12. Re: Final W & B Done (Jerry Mahurin) 13. RE: Final W & B Done (Brian Kraut) 14. Re: AS504x airfoil (Jim) 15. RE: Final W & B Done (Dan Heath) 16. Re: Final W & B Done (M & C) 17. Re: fatal gyro crash (Brian G. Douglas) 18. Re: Final W & B Done (Jerry Mahurin) 19. Check list usage (Colin Rainey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 05:06:17 -0500 From: "patrusso" Subject: Re: KR> I Salute you. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <002101c5e770$b95fbda0$4fa772d8@patrusso> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Well I don't think this justifies "kicking you off the list," but I so wish that we could stick to experimental aircraft instead of using this forum to express what-ever sentiments one has concerning current affairs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Bray" To: Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 7:19 PM Subject: KR> I Salute you. > Hay you guys, > I know this may be out of line but this is the way I feel. > I didn't do much but I did put my ass out there to be shot at and I'm > sure there are a lot of people on this list that did as much or a LOT > more. If this rubs you the wrong way, > kick me off the list . > I just want to say THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY. > > Steve Bray > Jackson, Tennessee > > > >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: dehartml > Date: Nov 11, 2005 11:41 AM > Subject: FW: I Salute you. > To: dehartml@cox.net > > To all our fellow veterans, > Thanks for your service to our country! > http://www.emotionscards.com/trivia/fourthofjuly/veteransday.html > Regards, > Liz & Mike DeHart > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:03:37 -0500 From: "Bob Glidden" Subject: Re: KR> I Salute you. To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007a01c5e789$7f002960$6501a8c0@ADMINISTRATOR> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Well it was Friday when they posted and compared to some of the things that get started and discussed on this list that was pretty miled.I'm thankful every day that there are people willing to stand up for our rights to have this list and say what we want ,when we want.Nice post Steve... Bob Glidden Eminence,Indiana KR2S N181FW (building) Corvair 110 glidden@ccrtc.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "patrusso" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 5:06 AM Subject: Re: KR> I Salute you. > Well I don't think this justifies "kicking you off the list," but I so > wish > that we could stick to experimental aircraft instead of using this forum > to > express what-ever sentiments one has concerning current affairs. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Bray" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 7:19 PM > Subject: KR> I Salute you. > > >> Hay you guys, >> I know this may be out of line but this is the way I feel. >> I didn't do much but I did put my ass out there to be shot at and I'm >> sure >> there are a lot of people >> on this list that did as much or a LOT more. If this rubs you the wrong >> way, >> kick me off the list . >> I just want to say THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY. >> >> Steve Bray >> Jackson, Tennessee >> >> >> >>> >> >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: dehartml >> Date: Nov 11, 2005 11:41 AM >> Subject: FW: I Salute you. >> To: dehartml@cox.net >> >> To all our fellow veterans, >> Thanks for your service to our country! >> http://www.emotionscards.com/trivia/fourthofjuly/veteransday.html >> Regards, >> Liz & Mike DeHart >> >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > >> _______________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at >> http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > --- > --- > > --- --- ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:14:29 +0200 From: "AVLEC" Subject: KR> missing subject lines To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000601c5e78b$25285dc0$b2a6fea9@dene> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi guys Regarding my problem with missing subject lines, only the subject lines of mail originating from krnet or corvaircraft are missing. All other e-mail received including spam and other private e-mails come through no problem. This leads me to believe that the problem is associated with something on these servers. I have recently activated an alias e-mail address, unsubscribed under my old address and then re-subscribed under my new alias. It would appear that I am still getting mail addressed to the old address as I get two of each message from both groups, one addressed to the old address and one to the new address. Somehow this has something to do with the problem. I have never altered anything in my profile for either group so I can't imagine that it is just a setting there (I could be wrong). Any other advice would be appreciated. Regards Dene Collett KR2S builder Freelance whisper assembler South Africa mailto: avlec@telkomsa.net ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:31:21 -0500 From: Joseph H Horton Subject: KR> another flight To: corvaircraft@mylist.net,krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051112.103121.-509777.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The short of it is a good morning. First time around the pattern I had to go around as I was faster than I wanted to be over the numbers (about 85 mph) The second try was better and she settled in for a good roll out. So I took off again and called out of the pattern to the west and ventured away from the home airport for the first time. I did a slow climb to 4500' at 120 mph and that yielded about 450'/min climb. I wasn't able to get the automatic fuel terminal to work so I only had about 3/4+ full header tank when I started. I turned around and headed back and pushed the go to button on the gps and had a dotted line to follow straight home (pretty cool). During the climb I had not leaned out at all and the exhaust span alarm came on the EIS. I leaned out some and the alarm went away. I would not have ever thought about it until I landed if the alarm had not shown. The oil temp was on the cool side all through the flight, topping out at 145 deg. in the cold air(25 deg.) I may have to dam off some of the oil cooled for winter. The sun through the canopy kept me pretty toasty with just a little cabin heat. I think that I will fly all through the winter. On the way back I circled home 3 times with my youngest son waving from the front yard. I entered the pattern an got all things ready. This is where I started to see some things that had been messing me up. At the slower speed with my KR the nose is up a little. I think this is where I was starting to build speed before by trying to lower the nose. This time I held 80 mph went to full flaps on finial, throttled back to 1100 rpm. The nose did not change much with the flaps but it slowed down at a steady pace and the decent angle steepened I crossed the numbers at a little under 75 mph and was on the runway before my lift off point which is also before the one nasty bump in the runway. The bump skipped me back up a couple feet but I just held for straight and level and she chirpped back on for my shortest roll out yet. Total to date is 4.3 flight hours and I can fly straight and level at altitude without much attention to controls. Feeling Great Joe Horton, Coopersburg, Pa. joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:52:36 -0500 From: "arnold d seligman" Subject: Re: KR> NTSB Preliminary on Steve Jones To: "KRnet" , "CorvAircraft (E-mail)" Message-ID: <002101c5e7a2$58334380$8d74e104@aseligman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Wanted to buy: A KR2 or 2S, tri-cycle fixed gear, flyable with low time engine,reasonable instruments, radio, east of the Mississippi River. Will pay $8-8500.00. Arnold...aseligman@usadatanet.net Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "CorvAircraft (E-mail)" ; "KR Net (E-mail)" Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 8:27 AM Subject: KR> NTSB Preliminary on Steve Jones > Not much info but here is the link http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20051110X01828 &key=1 below is the report copied and pasted. > > > NTSB Identification: MIA06LA006 > 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation > Accident occurred Saturday, October 15, 2005 in Venice, FL > Aircraft: Steven W. Jones KR2, registration: N212KR > Injuries: 1 Fatal. > > > This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. > > On October 15, 2005, about 1025 eastern daylight time, a homebuilt > KR2, N212KR, registered to a private individual, crashed during unknown circumstances in the Gulf of Mexico near Venice, Florida. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed at the time and no flight plan was filed for the 14 CFR Part 91 personal, local, flight from Venice Municipal Airport (KVNC). The airplane was substantially damaged and the private-rated pilot, the sole occupant was fatally injured. The flight originated about 0940, from Venice Municipal Airport. > > Several individuals reported seeing the accident flight depart, though > the reported departure times varied. One individual who was flying reported hearing on the KVNC UNICOM if anybody heard the signal from an emergency locator transmitter (ELT). He reported flying over the area in question (approximately 1 to 1.5 miles west of KVNC), and heard the ELT signal and saw a "debris field" on the water surface. He called the KVNC UNICOM and reported the latitude and longitude of the debris field. The pilot's body was recovered later that day, and only pieces of airplane that floated postaccident have been recovered. > > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI > Visit my NEW KR CorvAIRCRAFT web site: http://www.flykr2s.com > Email: mailto:flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:12:49 -0600 From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR> fatal gyro crash To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com, krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Texas architect Ken Rehler fatally crashed in his award-winning gyro, N100KR. Pictures of Ken and his gyro, with details of the construction, are at http://www.rvk-architects.com/ken/gyro/ . The story in today's San Antonio Express-News is at http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/crime/stories/MYSA111105.rehler.en.501920b8.html No NTSB report yet. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:35:37 -0500 From: paulwasp@webtv.net Subject: Re: KR> I Salute you. To: krnet@mylist.net (KRnet) Message-ID: <9428-437619D9-1991@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Hi, all; I would like o think that we are a flexable enough group to allow a pause momentarily on this past Veterans day to salute all of us, past and present, builders all, that have served. Maybe, we couldn't be doing what we are doing had it not been for all of us over rhe years!! I think that makes it revelent to the list. Amen! Paul Erie, PA 85%, and counting ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:19:36 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Angels on my wing. To: "Corvaircraft" , "KR Net" Message-ID: <004501c5e7ad$421d44a0$6501a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This morning I headed to the airport at daybreak and prepped the KR for flight. the winds were 180° and straight down the runway. I called the tower, ready to go and away we went. I was flying all over the place at 3000' and just really enjoying the morning. Now, it was getting about 8:10 and I knew my wife would be leaving the house with the kids at about 8:20 and I was not far away so I decided to make the buzz. When I approached the house, they were in the driveway and I circled a couple times about 1000' AGL rocked my wings and headed away. I had now been in the air 1.5 hours. Anyway, I was now a couple miles away from the house and over the interstate five miles west of my airport and I pushed in the throttle to gain some altitude and the engine started to die, I thought my heart was going to die too!!!!!! That interstate below me was beginning to look real good since I was only about 1500' AGL. Not a lot of time to make decisions. I backed off the throttle and she smoothed out at about 1500 rpm. I called the tower, 5 out west inbound for landing. They cleared me for 18 and I headed in. I tried applying throttle again and she started to die. Pulled back on the throttle and she ran fine at 1500 rpm. By now I was on base and getting set up for final and landing. made a really smooth landing and taxied to the hanger. To make a long story short, I found that the ground wire to my left wing tank fuel pump had broken at the crimp terminal causing the pump to fail. Apparently the engine was creating enough suction on the fuel lines to keep it running at low rpm. During all the low level adrenaline rush, I never thought to turn on my back up fuel pump much less look at the fuel pressure gauge. I think I need an emergency check list on my dash. Yep, I had angels on my wings this morning. That is three lives for me, six to go. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at www.flykr2s.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:05:54 +1100 From: "Phil Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> diehl wing skins To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <007a01c5e7d0$dea58350$30a4443d@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Epoxy will not bond to >cured Vinyl Ester. Also Epoxy will not cure near uncured VR. the Fumes from VR stops the epoxy from drying completely. Epoxy will stick to well cured VR. But as the instruction say. USE VR resin not Epoxy to bond the wing skins. I got my VR resin from a manufacturer of composition Kayaks, NO smell, no problems working with it. HE also warned me NOT to try and put EPOXY near uncured VR. Phil Matheson mathesonp@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) 61 3 58833588 Australia.( Down Under) See My KR2 Building Web Page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ http://corvair.vw-engines.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:50:13 +0000 From: w.higdon9604@comcast.net Subject: Re: KR> diehl wing skins To: KRnet Message-ID: <111220052150.8987.437663950005A6330000231B2209224627CBCFC0C702010B090708D299@comcast.net> Phil, It sounds like they use an additive that cuts down on the typical Sytrene" smell that is common with VE and PE resins. The additive doesn't affect the finished product any, it just cuts down on the smell. I used to have the trade names on my computer, but that was before the crash. Bill Higdon > Epoxy will not bond to > >cured Vinyl Ester. > Also > Epoxy will not cure near uncured VR. the Fumes from VR stops the epoxy > from > drying completely. > Epoxy will stick to well cured VR. But as the instruction say. USE VR resin > not Epoxy to bond the wing skins. > > I got my VR resin from a manufacturer of composition Kayaks, NO smell, > no > problems working with it. > > HE also warned me NOT to try and put EPOXY near uncured VR. > > Phil Matheson > mathesonp@dodo.com.au > VH-PKR ( Phil's KR) > 61 3 58833588 > Australia.( Down Under) > See My KR2 Building Web Page at: > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html > See our VW Engines and Home built web page at > http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ > http://corvair.vw-engines.com/ > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:38:27 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Final W & B Done To: Message-ID: <43768B03.000008.03636@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jerry and I finished the final W & B on N64KR, today. All the numbers check out and while the plane is a little on the heavy side, I think it is going to be a very stable aircraft to fly and that it will definitely be able to carry passengers. In fact, to me, it came out so good that we may want to consider adding a baggage compartment sometime in the future. However, I will need to take some measurements and run some numbers first. If you choose to look at the spread sheet, you will see that we weighed 3 different people. This was done to get an average station for "people". You will notice that each station varies and of course, that is because people come in all different shapes and sizes. If you want to play with the sheet, the numbers in yellow are the ones to change. You will see a number on the lower right corner of the sheet that is the "CG". This number runs from zero to 6, if you are in the allowable CG range. You can see it at: http://krbuilder.org/WeightAndBalance/index.html If you do look at the spread sheet and see anything that does not look right please let me know. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:59:01 -0500 From: Jerry Mahurin Subject: Re: KR> Final W & B Done To: KRnet Message-ID: <3812d7480511121759h3317152fxbb0af606cbca05f9@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ......I promise to not let make our sporty little plane into a freight hauler............!! I am glad that Dan got his wish for an extremely forward CG; but the plane is 50# over our target weight. I think we should be looking for ways to reduce weight instead of adding it.... Just my 02 cents worth.... Keep on keeping on On 11/12/05, Dan Heath wrote: > > Jerry and I finished the final W & B on N64KR, today. All the numbers > check out and while the plane is a little on the heavy side, I think > it is going to be a very stable aircraft to fly and that it will > definitely be able to carry passengers. In fact, to me, it came out so > good that we may want to consider adding a baggage compartment > sometime in the future. However, I will need to take some measurements > and run some numbers first. If you choose to look at the spread sheet, > you will see that we weighed 3 different > people. This was done to get an average station for "people". You will > notice that each station varies and of course, that is because people come > in all different shapes and sizes. > > If you want to play with the sheet, the numbers in yellow are the ones > to change. You will see a number on the lower right corner of the > sheet that is the "CG". This number runs from zero to 6, if you are in > the allowable CG range. You can see it at: > > http://krbuilder.org/WeightAndBalance/index.html > > > > If you do look at the spread sheet and see anything that does not look > right please let me know. > > > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for > building is OVER. > > Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Jerry Mahurin - aka - KRJerry Lugoff, SC 29078 ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:11:19 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Final W & B Done To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Looks like you did a good job. I did notice that you weighed it with 45 pounds of fuel according to the spreadsheet which is fine. Just want to be sure that you did not actually fill the tank because that would mean the number were wrong. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 7:38 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Final W & B Done Jerry and I finished the final W & B on N64KR, today. All the numbers check out and while the plane is a little on the heavy side, I think it is going to be a very stable aircraft to fly and that it will definitely be able to carry passengers. In fact, to me, it came out so good that we may want to consider adding a baggage compartment sometime in the future. However, I will need to take some measurements and run some numbers first. If you choose to look at the spread sheet, you will see that we weighed 3 different people. This was done to get an average station for "people". You will notice that each station varies and of course, that is because people come in all different shapes and sizes. If you want to play with the sheet, the numbers in yellow are the ones to change. You will see a number on the lower right corner of the sheet that is the "CG". This number runs from zero to 6, if you are in the allowable CG range. You can see it at: http://krbuilder.org/WeightAndBalance/index.html If you do look at the spread sheet and see anything that does not look right please let me know. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:12:42 -0600 From: "Jim" Subject: Re: KR> AS504x airfoil To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000c01c5e7f7$bac1d250$83306644@D7WNCM71> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Thank you for the info however it didn't work out I down loaded it and took it to Kinkos today and the print was unreadable do you know of another site where to down load a print that's readable. Thank You ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Driscoll" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 9:45 AM Subject: Re: KR> AS504x airfoil > Mark L. has the prints on his website. I put them on a disk and took > it to > Kinkos and paid $10.00 to have them printed full scale. > Pat Driscoll > Saint Paul, MN > patrick36@usfamily.net > LIFE MAY NOT BE THE PARTY WE HOPED FOR.... > BUT WHILE WE ARE HERE WE MIGHT AS WELL DANCE!" > > > > > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:15:16 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: RE: KR> Final W & B Done To: Message-ID: <4376A1B4.00000F.03636@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yes, we weighed the fuel before putting it in and of course weighed the empty tanks and the numbers are correct. Thanks, do you think the CG came out OK, or is it too far forward? See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -------Original Message------- From: Brian Kraut Date: 11/12/05 21:11:49 To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> Final W & B Done Looks like you did a good job. I did notice that you weighed it with 45 pounds of fuel according to the spreadsheet which is fine. Just want to be sure that you did not actually fill the tank because that would mean the number were wrong. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net >mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net">krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 7:38 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR> Final W & B Done Jerry and I finished the final W & B on N64KR, today. All the numbers check out and while the plane is a little on the heavy side, I think it is going to be a very stable aircraft to fly and that it will definitely be able to carry passengers. In fact, to me, it came out so good that we may want to consider adding a baggage compartment sometime in the future. However, I will need to take some measurements and run some numbers first. If you choose to look at the spread sheet, you will see that we weighed 3 different people. This was done to get an average station for "people". You will notice that each station varies and of course, that is because people come in all different shapes and sizes. If you want to play with the sheet, the numbers in yellow are the ones to change. You will see a number on the lower right corner of the sheet that is the "CG". This number runs from zero to 6, if you are in the allowable CG range. You can see it at: http://krbuilder.org/WeightAndBalance/index.html If you do look at the spread sheet and see anything that does not look right please let me know. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:48:53 -0600 From: "M & C" Subject: Re: KR> Final W & B Done To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Dan I tried to pull up your wb spread sheet but couldn't. I noticed however you stated that your tare for "each" main is 40.5 lbs but your tare for each wheel is 20 lbs plus 4.5 lbs of lumber. Shouldn't that be 20.5 lbs tare for each wheel? Mike Turner Jackson, Missouri Swing the prop and light the fire, dance amoung the stars.........N642MC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 6:38 PM Subject: KR> Final W & B Done > Jerry and I finished the final W & B on N64KR, today. All the numbers > check > out and while the plane is a little on the heavy side, > > http://krbuilder.org/WeightAndBalance/index.html > > > > If you do look at the spread sheet and see anything that does not look > right > please let me know. > > > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for > building > is OVER. > > Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:54:38 -0600 From: "Brian G. Douglas" Subject: Re: KR> fatal gyro crash To: "KRnet" , Message-ID: <001501c5e7fd$99765b60$de6ee304@youryk5cbmeeo8> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Damn It, Damn It, Damn It Ken was a friend of mine. In 2003 at the EAA south west regional fly "SWRFI" in New Braunfels Texas Ken got the grand prize for rotorcraft and I got the "Reserve Grand Champion" rotorcraft for my Scorpion II. Ken was a gentleman that we could all emulate. He will be Missed Brian G. Douglas KR2 N8575C TD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" To: ; Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 10:12 AM Subject: KR> fatal gyro crash > Texas architect Ken Rehler fatally crashed in his award-winning gyro, > N100KR. Pictures of Ken and his gyro, with details of the > construction, are at http://www.rvk-architects.com/ken/gyro/ . The > story in today's San Antonio Express-News is at > http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/crime/stories/MYSA111105.rehler.en.501920b8.html > > No NTSB report yet. > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:14:31 -0500 From: Jerry Mahurin Subject: Re: KR> Final W & B Done To: KRnet Message-ID: <3812d7480511121914n5ab194ffwe5867ea1b36df12c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mike, You must have an old spread sheet....... Today we had no tare at all. The scales were all zeroed. Those auto scales are just the ticket........no more bathroom scales........ I really like your signature............. Keep on keeping on, On 11/12/05, M & C wrote: > > Dan I tried to pull up your wb spread sheet but couldn't. I noticed > however you stated that your tare for "each" main is 40.5 lbs but your > tare for each > wheel is 20 lbs plus 4.5 lbs of lumber. Shouldn't that be 20.5 lbs tare > for > each wheel? > > Mike Turner > Jackson, Missouri > Swing the prop and light the fire, dance amoung the > stars.........N642MC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Heath" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 6:38 PM > Subject: KR> Final W & B Done > > > > Jerry and I finished the final W & B on N64KR, today. All the > > numbers check out and while the plane is a little on the heavy side, > > > http://krbuilder.org/WeightAndBalance/index.html > > > > > > > > If you do look at the spread sheet and see anything that does not > > look right please let me know. > > > > > > > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics > > > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering > > > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for > > building is OVER. > > > > Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Jerry Mahurin - aka - KRJerry Lugoff, SC 29078 ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:20:48 -0500 From: "Colin Rainey" Subject: KR> Check list usage To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <410-220051101332048776@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I went to the Corvair College on Friday and met with Jack Cooper, Mark Langford, Bill Clapp, his friend (sorry forgot the name), and later saw Bob Lester who is doing much better, though in his words alittle shorter, Glenda McElwee, and the hangar gang. While there I talked to alot of prospective builders about the assembly, and merits of some of the new design features compared to older stuff, and had several discussions about flying and flight skills, specifically concerning the KR. Here are some thoughts, prompted by Mark Jones' post of his flight: First off, I have posted a 2 simple checklists, one for "normal" flight, and one for emergency flight, on Dan Heath's web page. If you don't use them, make some of your own, but PLEASE use ONE! It is a proven fact that our mental capacity deteriorates rapidly with the stress of something going wrong. Checklists are so that you can focus on just flying the plane and not have to rely on memory for troubleshooting, or proper response to a given problem. Laminate them, and keep them IN THE PLANE at all times. It is regulatory for certified planes to have their operating manual in the aircraft during each flight. Part of your preflight includes checking for this manual and the airworthiness certificate, and registration. Second, once you have the checklists, get in your plane and practice using them, ON THE GROUND. We in teaching call it chair flying. Pretend you are going out to fly and rehearse EVERY procedure, no matter how well you know it. You will check the accuracy of your checklists, and you will begin developing a routine that will save your life. If you find that something has been omitted from your emergency or normal checklist, then don't fly until you correct your checklist. The Private Pilot Practical Test Standard has a section right in the beginning that discusses how the test is to be conducted, and one thing it mentions specifically is checklist usage. Not using a checklist to confirm that the pilot has performed the procedure correctly is grounds for a Notice of Dissatisfaction from the Examiner. Knowing this, I KNOW all the KR drivers out there had instruction in checklist usage, and its importance. DON"T FLY DIFFERENTLY just because you are in your plane, or no one is with you to critique you, or your confidence says you know the plane well. 2 commercial pilots with combined airline experience of over 20,000 hours died from running OUT OF FUEL, because neither checked the wing tanks, and assumed that maintenance had filled them up before returning the plane. Lots of experience does not mean correct procedures are being followed. Do this BEFORE flying and you will be able to relax while in the air, because you know that your habits and procedures will guide you through anything you are confronted with.... Colin Rainey brokerpilot96ta@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 458 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================