From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 465 Date: 11/16/2005 9:39:07 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. PRIME EXAMPLE (Larry H.) 2. LANDING GEAR WIDTH (Larry H.) 3. Re: KR for sale (Cris.) 4. WEIGHT OF DIEHL MAIN GEAR (Larry H.) 5. MAIN LANDING GEAR OPTIONS (Larry H.) 6. R?f. : KR> Gear width/crosswind (Serge VIDAL) 7. Main landing gears - Drilling through spring steel (Serge VIDAL) 8. Re: LANDING GEAR WIDTH (Dan Heath) 9. scooching? (Larry&Sallie Flesner) 10. Re: Main landing gears - Drilling through spring steel (Scott William) 11. RE: LANDING GEAR WIDTH (Ron Freiberger) 12. Re: Main landing gears - Drilling through spring steel (Matthew Elder) 13. Re: Main landing gears - Drilling through spring steel (VIRGIL N SALISBURY) 14. RE: Main landing gears - Drilling through spring steel (Ron Freiberger) 15. R?f. : Re: KR> Main landing gears - Drilling through spring steel (Serge VIDAL) 16. LANDING GEAR WIDTH (Larry H.) 17. RE: LANDING GEAR WIDTH (Mark Jones) 18. RE: LANDING GEAR WEIGHT (Ron Freiberger) 19. RE: LANDING GEAR WIDTH (Ron Freiberger) 20. Re: LANDING GEAR WIDTH (Cris.) 21. LANDING GEAR WIDTH (Larry H.) 22. RE: LANDING GEAR WIDTH (Mark Jones) 23. Re: Réf. : Re: KR> Main landing gears - Drilling through spring steel (Matthew Elder) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:09:50 -0600 From: "Larry H." Subject: KR> PRIME EXAMPLE To: "krnet talk" Message-ID: <005601c5ea74$5dee4750$6701a8c0@boss1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" I have been on this list off and on for several years as well as many other lists. Sometimes list members will post something that is not related to that particular lists main focus. My thought has always been oh well (delete, ignore, or wow that's interesting). When you stay with a list long enough you begin to learn the personalities of many of the list members and some of how they think or what they may say concerning subject matter. You all know exactly what I mean. My point is, sometimes it is better to just read or delete and go on. When someone tells others to not post something unrelated to the lists main goal, it always seems to cause many replies that would normally not be there. So instead of the one off subject post then there are many off subject posts. I am very verbal about some subjects and inquisitive about those that I know little about. There have been many times that I could have chimed in on posts but chose to just say Oh Well. If someone posts a falsehood or detrimental information concerning construction or flying these little birds then it is the duty of those who know better to correct misinformation. If off airplane info comes, we all could "Oh Well" a little more then we would all be more happy campers. I just happened to be one of those interested in Serges perspective on the France situation, I do not know anyone else there. I like the KR family and have met a lot of very nice people through KR. We all know how the press can blow things completely out of proportion so some reality on the situation was refreshing to me. Isaac, you are welcome here, we can teach you how to build your plane as good or as bad as we do and be prepared for a little scolding from time to time, we all have had a few scoldings ourselves. Actually I don't think you can participate without at least one or two. As someone stated earlier, if you want to participate in any talk group you need to develop thick skin cause you will need it. By the way I have taken my modified KR2WL out of storage, brought it home to my hangar, and have been looking at it deciding what to do to it. This plane has been in storage for at least 10 years. It is basically a KR but has several building mods like most of yours do. It is wider, longer and has a foam/fiberglass bottom which makes the bottom extremely strong. I can jump up and down in it without falling through to the floor. : ) I have emailed several people on this list asking opinions about different things lately, thank all of you for your replies and or help! I do plan on using a VW engine at this point in time because I like VWs. I have a convertible KarmanGhia, and a modified Bug that looks like some kind of old hot rod. I plan on using the new airfoil just for grins. I have a mold that I made many years ago for the turtleback, it is designed to fit a Q200 canopy. It should look similar to a Q200 from a frontal view except it will not have a canard of course. Oh Well Larry H. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:39:21 -0600 From: "Larry H." Subject: KR> LANDING GEAR WIDTH To: "krnet talk" Message-ID: <006101c5ea78$7acf2ca0$6701a8c0@boss1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" The landing gear width (main gear) is a subject that I want to discuss some more. I owned and flew several hundred hours in a Cessna 120 years ago. The landings always seemed fine to me as in not seeming to be squirelly once on the ground. Others I have talked to said that 120s landed squirelly. I think usually most problems in landing probably lye with the pilot himself and his abilities or lack of. The KR2 taildragger may be the same, I have no idea though. I have heard a lot over the years about how squirelly they are to land by some and others say they are great. Is the problem the pilot or the airplane? I had been thinking about bolting the main landing gear inboard some from the normal Diehl bolt up outside the fuselage. I was beginning to think that a little more narrow spread might be more stable in landing a KR2 stretch but I really don't know what to think now. I know that a lot of the Q200 and Dragonfly guys have gone to a more inboard (closer to fueslage) landing gear because it is more stable than the canard tip landing gear according to some and of course there are many who say the canard tip landing gear is much better and just fine. So here we go again, is it pilot skill or lack there of ? I thought if the Diehl brackets were bolted just inside of the fuselage, a guy could repair, do maintenance without tearing up the wing stub plus make the plane more stable for landing. If wider as in bolted up outboard of the fuselage is better then ? Just wondering out loud, what do you guys really think? Larry H. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:44:00 +0100 From: "Cris." Subject: Re: KR> KR for sale To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2005/11/16, Oscar Zuniga : > > I just saw John Esch's post about him putting his KR project (and > Corvair engine conversion) up for sale. Take a look at what he's > offering... it's a great price for what you get. Cris, in Rome- too > bad you don't live here, I know you know. :-/ Cris. -- Land the airplane, rubber side down, main wheels first. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:03:59 -0600 From: "Larry H." Subject: KR> WEIGHT OF DIEHL MAIN GEAR To: "krnet talk" Message-ID: <009b01c5ea7b$ed039880$6701a8c0@boss1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Do any of you know exactly what the Diehl Main Landing Gear weighs. Including spar brackets, fiberglass gear, axle bracket, axle, wheel, brakes, tire and tube. All together or seperate weights. Thanks Larry H. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:09:01 -0600 From: "Larry H." Subject: KR> MAIN LANDING GEAR OPTIONS To: "krnet talk" Message-ID: <00a401c5ea7c$a3d9ee60$6701a8c0@boss1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Have any of you ever thought about the landing gear that is on a Sonex? Have you ever thought about landing gear attached to the motormount system like a RV taildragger or a Wittman Tailwind. The Wittman Tailwind main gear is solid and fairly heavy for a KR but the Sonex main landing gear is supposed to be light weight. I thought the combo Sonex gear mounted like a Wittman Tailwind might work OK. Just thinking before I start drilling holes in my spar caps ! Larry H. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:12:35 +0100 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : KR> Gear width/crosswind To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, Terry. Mine is in the same configuration, only with a slightly wider main U/C (wheel track is 1.70m, which is 5.57 ft. And indeed, the aircraft is hard to keep on track (takes a lot of rudder work), but you get accustomed to it after a while. So, you have a choice: either you train hard, or you widen the gear; but I think you can't expect miracles from a wider gear. My 2 cents worth. Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France "Terry Teer" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-11-16 00:18 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-11-16 00:28 Pour : "KRnet" cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Gear width/crosswind Flying my KR-2 t/d and the crosswind landings are very exciting to say the least. I purchased the plane used and the gear is very narrow. The gear is bolted to the mainspar on the inside of the fuse right under your legs and is probably nearly 4.8 ft wide in track. What effect would the plane have if they were moved out to the stubs in the normal area. The plane flies great but landings are very exciting even without a crosswind component. Any suggestions or advice? Regards, Terry Ackerman, MS KR-2 _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:50:39 +0100 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: KR> Main landing gears - Drilling through spring steel To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This is one is for steel specialists: My taildragger KR2 main landing gear legs are made of spring steel. They hold to the gear brackets by 4 bolts each. The bolts are metric, 10mm diameter. I would like to change that for the nearest AN size. That would be an AN7, which is 7/16", that is 11.11mm. So I would have to enlarge the holes. Now, I don't know much about steel, but I know by experience that it is very hard to drill through these legs, since 3 years ago, I tried to drill a couple of tiny holes to hold some brackets for the brakes lines, and I gave up. Questions, then: what are my chances to succeed, what kind of drill bits should I use, and what is the correct drilling technique? Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:44:06 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> LANDING GEAR WIDTH To: Message-ID: <437B0D76.000005.02396@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am replying to the part or your statement that is included below. If you don't know what you are doing when it comes to making changes, the best advise that I can give you, is to go with what has been proven. You really have two choices. Use the Grove, or one like it, that bolts inside the fuselage, or the Diehl. Look at the gathering photos, and you will probably make the conclusion that the Diehl is the most popular. It weighs less and costs less. However, it is much more complicated to install and, unless you build in inspection plates, there will be a certain amount of destruction required if you ever have to do maintenance. You also asked, is it the plane or the pilot. The answer is yes. No two planes are built the same. I am certain that my first KR was more difficult to land than this one will be, but we will soon know the answer to that. The CG is very important. Wheel alignment is very important. The actual position of the gear, forward or back, will have an affect. If you build this plane right and are a decent pilot, the answer is, all the good things you hear. It is good to experiment when the risk is low, or you are an expert in the field. In this case, is seems that neither applies, so save yourself and your plane, and get that thing built so you can fly it to the Gathering. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -------Original Message------- but I really don't know what to think now. ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 06:24:17 -0600 From: Larry&Sallie Flesner Subject: KR> scooching? To: KRnet Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.0.20051116062025.037d7660@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > Notice how I don't fly in anything that doesnt scooch. >Did I get that right Larry? >Daniel R. Heath ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ It doesn't pass my spell checker but we get the idea. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 04:44:09 -0800 (PST) From: Scott William Subject: Re: KR> Main landing gears - Drilling through spring steel To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051116124409.29179.qmail@web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Just my opinion.......Use cobalt or titanium drill bits, turn them real slow (as in the slow setting on a drillpress), and keep them oiled throughout the process. Scott --- Serge VIDAL wrote: > This is one is for steel specialists: > > My taildragger KR2 main landing gear legs are made > of spring steel. They > hold to the gear brackets by 4 bolts each. The bolts > are metric, 10mm > diameter. > > I would like to change that for the nearest AN size. > That would be an AN7, > which is 7/16", that is 11.11mm. So I would have to > enlarge the holes. > > Now, I don't know much about steel, but I know by > experience that it is > very hard to drill through these legs, since 3 years > ago, I tried to drill > a couple of tiny holes to hold some brackets for the > brakes lines, and I > gave up. > > Questions, then: what are my chances to succeed, > what kind of drill bits > should I use, and what is the correct drilling > technique? > > Serge Vidal > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > Paris, France > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:35:07 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> LANDING GEAR WIDTH To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <002d01c5eaba$f43c5b20$6400a8c0@Disorganized> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" My first homebuilt, the "Ron's 1" had a very narrow gear stance after I made some changes to Aeronca gear legs made for the military version. ( Streamlined, 4130) The original legs were from an Aeronca Champ. Later, I had a Jodel D-11 that was built with the designed attach point, but Cessna gear legs, which made for a VERY wide gear track. Both were easy to land, and I wouldn't care which width it was. When I had to move my KR2 project to a new home, I was very annoyed by the width of the gear track, 'cause it was a real pain trying to get it onto an available trailer. Just a bit narrower would have been nice. The real issue, in my opinion, is the fore and aft location of the wheels for a taildragger. I think the axles ought to be at the leading edge of the wing. The KR2 is a fair bit aft of that, and I would have moved it forward if it was easy. I sold the project for health reasons, so that's (for sure) an opinion. If you really want a challenge, try a Pitts Single place. The axle is sprung off the firewall, and it's an interesting challenge. I was successful on my only try, and was very pleased. Write me off-line for the story about what opinions are worth. Ron Freiberger mail to ronandmartha@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 06:55:35 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Elder Subject: Re: KR> Main landing gears - Drilling through spring steel To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051116145535.14762.qmail@web54710.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Maybe a silly question, but wouldn't you be better off just using an AN-6 (3/8) fastener? The holes would already be oversized about .5mm (around .020"). Then you wouldn't have to drill. Just a thought. Matt Serge VIDAL wrote: This is one is for steel specialists: My taildragger KR2 main landing gear legs are made of spring steel. They hold to the gear brackets by 4 bolts each. The bolts are metric, 10mm diameter. I would like to change that for the nearest AN size. That would be an AN7, which is 7/16", that is 11.11mm. So I would have to enlarge the holes. Now, I don't know much about steel, but I know by experience that it is very hard to drill through these legs, since 3 years ago, I tried to drill a couple of tiny holes to hold some brackets for the brakes lines, and I gave up. Questions, then: what are my chances to succeed, what kind of drill bits should I use, and what is the correct drilling technique? Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------------------------- Matthew Elder Orangeburg, SC http://www.infinigral.com/melder My Airplane Project: http://www.infinigral.com/melder/flying/KR1/ ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:54:11 -0500 From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY Subject: Re: KR> Main landing gears - Drilling through spring steel To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <20051116.095515.2560.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Carbide bits. Slow speed. Lottss of lubricant, Virg On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:50:39 +0100 Serge VIDAL writes: > This is one is for steel specialists: > > My taildragger KR2 main landing gear legs are made of spring steel. > They > hold to the gear brackets by 4 bolts each. The bolts are metric, > 10mm > diameter. > > I would like to change that for the nearest AN size. That would be > an AN7, > which is 7/16", that is 11.11mm. So I would have to enlarge the > holes. > > Now, I don't know much about steel, but I know by experience that it > is > very hard to drill through these legs, since 3 years ago, I tried to > drill > a couple of tiny holes to hold some brackets for the brakes lines, > and I > gave up. > > Questions, then: what are my chances to succeed, what kind of drill > bits > should I use, and what is the correct drilling technique? > > Serge Vidal > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > Paris, France > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:10:29 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> Main landing gears - Drilling through spring steel To: , "KRNET" Message-ID: <003d01c5eabf$e4fd8440$6400a8c0@Disorganized> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Gosh, that's an even better idea. Those things don't need to fit all that well, just clamp Ron Freiberger mail to ronandmartha@earthlink.net matt elder said; Maybe a silly question, but wouldn't you be better off just using an AN-6 (3/8) fastener? The holes would already be oversized about .5mm (around .020"). Then you wouldn't have to drill. Just a thought. Matt ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:16:37 +0100 From: Serge VIDAL Subject: R?f. : Re: KR> Main landing gears - Drilling through spring steel To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yep, I thought of that, but don't you think that .5mm is too much gap? My gear brackets are made of cast aluminum, and my fear is that if the legs are not tightly fit, then maybe that may induce some cracks. Then, again, I am fairly ignorant as far as metal work is concened. Serge Matthew Elder Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-11-16 15:55 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-11-16 15:57 Pour : KRnet cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: KR> Main landing gears - Drilling through spring steel Maybe a silly question, but wouldn't you be better off just using an AN-6 (3/8) fastener? The holes would already be oversized about .5mm (around .020"). Then you wouldn't have to drill. Just a thought. Matt Serge VIDAL wrote: This is one is for steel specialists: My taildragger KR2 main landing gear legs are made of spring steel. They hold to the gear brackets by 4 bolts each. The bolts are metric, 10mm diameter. I would like to change that for the nearest AN size. That would be an AN7, which is 7/16", that is 11.11mm. So I would have to enlarge the holes. Now, I don't know much about steel, but I know by experience that it is very hard to drill through these legs, since 3 years ago, I tried to drill a couple of tiny holes to hold some brackets for the brakes lines, and I gave up. Questions, then: what are my chances to succeed, what kind of drill bits should I use, and what is the correct drilling technique? Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------------------------- Matthew Elder Orangeburg, SC http://www.infinigral.com/melder My Airplane Project: http://www.infinigral.com/melder/flying/KR1/ _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:16:30 -0600 From: "Larry H." Subject: KR> LANDING GEAR WIDTH To: "krnet talk" Message-ID: <004401c5eac9$1b35e490$6701a8c0@boss1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Ron, I am with you on the landing gear width for trailering. I carried a KR2 to Oshkosh a few years ago for a guy I know. An extra wide trailer had to be borrowed to haul it. I said at that time that the landing gear needed to be at least 8 to 12 inches more narrow just for a normal trailer. Still hoping someone knows the weights of the Diehl landing gear system, either as a whole or individual parts. Thanks Larry H. ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:32:26 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: KR> LANDING GEAR WIDTH To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F35C10359@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" A standard snowmobile trailer will work good. Here is a link showing how I moved mine. http://www.flykr2s.com/toairport.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://www.flykr2s.com Email: mailto:flykr2s@wi.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Larry H. Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:17 AM To: krnet talk Subject: KR> LANDING GEAR WIDTH Ron, I am with you on the landing gear width for trailering. I carried a KR2 to Oshkosh a few years ago for a guy I know. An extra wide trailer had to be borrowed to haul it. I said at that time that the landing gear needed to be at least 8 to 12 inches more narrow just for a normal trailer. Still hoping someone knows the weights of the Diehl landing gear system, either as a whole or individual parts. Thanks Larry H. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:52:15 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> LANDING GEAR WEIGHT To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001601c5eace$1c4120c0$6400a8c0@Disorganized> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Landing gear weight is pretty much the same in a well designed system. The ability of Spring steel, aluminum, and fiberglass is about the same for the same amount of energy absorbed. The issue is well designed, and for many situations, actual service in the field is also a good indicator of suitability. Sometimes it's a matter of available materials and resources. The KR nose gear seems a bit on the weak side from some reports. As Larry says, your results may vary. My opinion is there's not much to be saved, but I would make the gear a bit longer, and move a bit forward. Ron Freiberger mail to ronandmartha@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:54:01 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> LANDING GEAR WIDTH To: "'KRnet'" Message-ID: <001701c5eace$5ba17e40$6400a8c0@Disorganized> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That's easy for you to say, but we don't have snowmobile trailers in SouthWET Florida. Ron Freiberger mail to ronandmartha@earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Mark Jones Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 11:32 AM To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> LANDING GEAR WIDTH A standard snowmobile trailer will work good. Here is a link showing how I moved mine. http://www.flykr2s.com/toairport.html ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:54:08 +0100 From: "Cris." Subject: Re: KR> LANDING GEAR WIDTH To: KRnet Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 R O T F L C. 2005/11/16, Ron Freiberger : > > That's easy for you to say, but we don't have snowmobile trailers in > SouthWET Florida. > > Ron Freiberger > mail to ronandmartha@earthlink.net > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On > Behalf Of Mark Jones > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 11:32 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: RE: KR> LANDING GEAR WIDTH > > A standard snowmobile trailer will work good. Here is a link showing how > I moved mine. > http://www.flykr2s.com/toairport.html > > > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Land the airplane, rubber side down, main wheels first. ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:26:54 -0600 From: "Larry H." Subject: KR> LANDING GEAR WIDTH To: "krnet talk" Message-ID: <007401c5ead2$f0e1f8a0$6701a8c0@boss1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Mark J, You have a great looking airplane and sounds like you are having lots of fun flying it except once when your fuel was slightly starved. Your website looks great also and I did see the photo of your plane on that trailer a while back. I will have to say that the very first thing I thought when I saw that photo was, I sure hope Mark had someone he knew closely following him to the airport. Could you imagine some knucklehead looking in the floor for a cell phone or CD case running over your airplane after all those years of intensive building ! When I trailered the KR to Oshkosh I was pulling it behind a motorhome to and from Oshkosh 2300 miles round trip so I had to get a long trailer to make sure a knucklehead at least hit the trailer to get his attention before he got to the airplane ! : ) Here in Texas we usually do not need snowmobile trailers like Ron in Florida. I guess 4 wheeler trailers would be our option here. Larry H. ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:39:13 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: RE: KR> LANDING GEAR WIDTH To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <26D1C67793459F43BF8DA235F92B1F35C1035A@tulsaexchange.tulsaokmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks for the kind words Larry. I am glad I finally have a working web site again. Yes I did have my Brother in Law follow me but I was concerned about him too. This trailer is only good for short trips. I would not want to go a long haul with it. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: http://www.flykr2s.com Email: mailto:flykr2s@wi.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Larry H. Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 11:27 AM To: krnet talk Subject: KR> LANDING GEAR WIDTH Mark J, You have a great looking airplane and sounds like you are having lots of fun flying it except once when your fuel was slightly starved. Your website looks great also and I did see the photo of your plane on that trailer a while back. I will have to say that the very first thing I thought when I saw that photo was, I sure hope Mark had someone he knew closely following him to the airport. Could you imagine some knucklehead looking in the floor for a cell phone or CD case running over your airplane after all those years of intensive building ! When I trailered the KR to Oshkosh I was pulling it behind a motorhome to and from Oshkosh 2300 miles round trip so I had to get a long trailer to make sure a knucklehead at least hit the trailer to get his attention before he got to the airplane ! : ) Here in Texas we usually do not need snowmobile trailers like Ron in Florida. I guess 4 wheeler trailers would be our option here. Larry H. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:38:35 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Elder Subject: Re: Réf. : Re: KR> Main landing gears - Drilling through spring steel To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051116173835.38244.qmail@web54705.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 No.. Not at all. The clamp load generated by the bolts is what holds the joint together. I mean, when you get it all bolted down to the proper torque, it's not going to slide around any more than if it was a .001" clearance. Matt Serge VIDAL wrote: Yep, I thought of that, but don't you think that .5mm is too much gap? My gear brackets are made of cast aluminum, and my fear is that if the legs are not tightly fit, then maybe that may induce some cracks. Then, again, I am fairly ignorant as far as metal work is concened. Serge Matthew Elder Envoyé par : krnet-bounces@mylist.net 2005-11-16 15:55 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-11-16 15:57 Pour : KRnet cc : (ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: KR> Main landing gears - Drilling through spring steel Maybe a silly question, but wouldn't you be better off just using an AN-6 (3/8) fastener? The holes would already be oversized about .5mm (around .020"). Then you wouldn't have to drill. Just a thought. Matt Serge VIDAL wrote: This is one is for steel specialists: My taildragger KR2 main landing gear legs are made of spring steel. They hold to the gear brackets by 4 bolts each. The bolts are metric, 10mm diameter. I would like to change that for the nearest AN size. That would be an AN7, which is 7/16", that is 11.11mm. So I would have to enlarge the holes. Now, I don't know much about steel, but I know by experience that it is very hard to drill through these legs, since 3 years ago, I tried to drill a couple of tiny holes to hold some brackets for the brakes lines, and I gave up. Questions, then: what are my chances to succeed, what kind of drill bits should I use, and what is the correct drilling technique? Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------------------------- Matthew Elder Orangeburg, SC http://www.infinigral.com/melder My Airplane Project: http://www.infinigral.com/melder/flying/KR1/ _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------------------------- Matthew Elder Orangeburg, SC http://www.infinigral.com/melder My Airplane Project: http://www.infinigral.com/melder/flying/KR1/ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 465 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================