From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 50 Date: 2/4/2005 8:58:51 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: insurance / long (Dan Heath) 2. Re: Documents related to KR-2S (larry severson) 3. Re: insurance / long (Dean Cooper) 4. Soda (patrick36@usfamily.net) 5. Re: Soda (patrick36@usfamily.net) 6. Re: Question for Bill Clapp (IFLYKRS@aol.com) 7. Re: PVA ??? (Phillip Matheson) 8. Re: R?f. : PVA ?? (Phillip Matheson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:01:46 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> insurance / long To: "krnet@mylist.net" Message-ID: <42041AFA.00000D.00416@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Actually, the man I talked to at Falcon, had no problem with the GPASC VW that we are using, but we haven't bought the insurance yet either. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering -------Original Message------- From: KRnet Date: 02/04/05 19:57:17 To: KRnet Subject: KR> insurance / long Netters, Below is a protion of an e-mail newletter from SkySmith Insurance. I have my Tripacer insurance with them (they are a broker) and have been extremely pleased with their service. I thought it might be of interest to some of you that are not knowledgable on the subject. Keep in mind that the KR with anything but a Lycombing or Continental will be nearly impossible to get insurance on. It's just the name of the game. Larry Flesner ---------- Hull Coverage - do you know what you have? Hull coverage is the protection you are buying for the actual value of the aircraft. It is comparable to the collision and comprehensive portion of your auto policy. Hull coverage is also the portion of insurance that will cover loss from theft or other damage depending on the type of coverage you have purchased. If the hangar collapses and crushes your aircraft, hull coverage will cover it. If someone steals your radios, hull coverage should cover them. Stated or Agreed Value. Aviation insurance is generally a "stated or agreed value" policy. That means if you have a total loss, the claims department will pay the stated value of the policy (minus your deductible). This is different from auto insurance. It is your obligation to value the aircraft at a reasonable value. Most underwriters will consider deviating from book values if you provide proof of value (POV). Proof is in the form of an equipment list including avionics, modifications, engine hours, airframe hours and interior/exterior condition. Usually the value limit is about 10% over book value before you need to provide proof of value. Types of coverage. There are basically two types of hull coverage with each aviation insurance company having their own variations. These coverages are: not-in-motion (NIM) and in-motion (IM). Not-in-motion is when the aircraft is parked and/or moving, but not under its own power. In-motion is when the engine or engines are actually moving the aircraft. Many companies do not include taxi operations under the not-in-motion part of the policy. That means if you have an accident while taxiing with a policy that does not include taxi operations, you will be responsible for repairs to the aircraft. If taxi is included, this coverage might be called not-in-flight. Remember, each company has its own definition of the hull coverage. Deductibles. Deductibles are the portion of the repair that the insured pays. In-motion deductibles are often higher (and sometimes substantially higher) than not-in-motion deductibles. Composite aircraft often have higher deductibles. These aircraft are not considered a mainstream repair and a local shop might not have the experience, tools or materials required to make the repair. A few companies have a different deductible for specific claims they have experienced. For example, one company has a $10,000 deductible for any claim that involves the landing gear (gear up, gear collapse, etc). Another company has a $5,000 deductible for any claim that involves a Pitts S2 canopy. Builder's risk. This coverage is generally for aircraft undergoing restoration or being custom or home built. Builder's risk typically requires the insured to provide a beginning value and a projected ending value for the policy year. This policy will pay the amount as established at the time of the loss. The maximum will be the estimated ending value as stated in the policy. This provides increasing coverage for your kit or restoration project as the value increases. You will need to keep receipts and records to substantiate the value at any particular time. TIP!Be sure to keep receipts and invoices for any changes to your aircraft that might change the hull value. In the event of a claim, be prepared to show these as proof for the loss. It is always a good idea to keep a copy of your equipment list, weight and balance (or records of the installations) in a secure location away from the airplane. This seems like extra work for the owner but it will simplify the claims process, be handy if selling the plane, and is always good information to have on hand. _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 17:21:35 -0800 From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> Documents related to KR-2S To: KRnet Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20050204170951.025c1d10@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >These are the document: >1. "Flight Test Report" >2. "Structural Test Report" >3. "Load Analysis Report" >4. "FAA Major Portion Rule 51%" > >Do you have idea where I can get the document? The KR2S is derivative of the KR1 (1978) and the KR2 (1981). The designer is dead. There are planes flying world wide (check the net). There has never been a structural failure on a plane actually built to plan. 1. There has never been a formal flight test report published. 2. A structural test report was not required for experimental aircraft when the designer died. 3. Same for the load analysis report; however, there are KR2Ss built to plan that fly at 1350 lbs vs 1000 per plans. 4. The plane is 100% builder effort. For get the 51% rule. I would trust the history of the KR2S over any of the certified spam cans! Short cuts and stupid can kill you with any airplane. Avoid them, and enjoy a fantastic, efficient, fun, and inexpensive airplane. However, bureaucrats the world over are not interested in facts, only rules. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:07:02 -0500 From: "Dean Cooper" Subject: Re: KR> insurance / long To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006c01c50b27$62349350$0502a8c0@office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Larry wrote: >Keep in mind that the KR with anything but a Lycombing or Continental >will be nearly impossible to get insurance on. Dan wrote: > Actually, the man I talked to at Falcon, had no problem with the GPASC > VW I thought Mark Jones got insurance from Falcon with his corvair as well? Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL Email me at dean_cooper@bellsouth.net See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:07:43 -0600 From: Subject: KR> Soda To: "KR Mailing list" Message-ID: <000e01c50b27$7bd1bc20$6d2dee42@usf285120> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I will being a full keg of Amber Bock "Soda" to the gathering. There will be a donation can on the keg and any money over the cost of the keg will go to the prop fund. Pat Driscoll Saint Paul, MN 55102 patrick36@usfamily.net --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 20:36:41 -0600 From: Subject: Re: KR> Soda To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <008401c50b2b$87086220$6d2dee42@usf285120> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That should read" I will BRING a full keg. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "KR Mailing list" Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:07 PM Subject: KR> Soda > I will being a full keg of Amber Bock "Soda" to the gathering. > There will be a donation can on the keg and any money over the cost > of the keg will go to the prop fund. > Pat Driscoll > Saint Paul, MN 55102 > patrick36@usfamily.net > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 23:23:16 EST From: IFLYKRS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Question for Bill Clapp To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <53.208f942b.2f35a434@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" No - I dont hand prop. I built a rear starter assy similar to that of Mark Langfords. It sits down by where the cooler used to be - nice and snuggled in. Works great. ! Bill ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:33:27 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> PVA ??? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005401c50b3b$d90979a0$f7b1dccb@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This is to clear up the Language difference from Aust to the US. When you talk about PVA. Are you referring to PVA Glue. or PVA release agent? Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR Construction web page at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:35:59 +1100 From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: KR> Re: R?f. : PVA ?? To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <005b01c50b3c$31132a10$f7b1dccb@StationW2k04> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sorry I asked the question before I read all of my 60 emails . Jeff Scott advised it is the release agent. In Australia. PVA is Wood Glue. Phillip Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia VH PKR See our engines and kits at. http://www.vw-engines.com/ http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ See my KR Construction web page at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 50 ************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================