From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net To: John Bouyea Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 531 Date: 12/28/2005 9:00:13 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: 2005 KR Planes (Mark Jones) 2. Dana Overall (Mark Jones) 3. Canopy Frames (Dan Heath) 4. tool tip for the day (Brian Kraut) 5. Tool tip (Colin Rainey) 6. Re: tool tip for the day (Scott William) 7. Re: Tool tip (Scott William) 8. RE: Tool tip (Brian Kraut) 9. Jeff Scott's KR (Brian Kraut) 10. Re: Timing retard (Mark Langford) 11. Re: Tool tip (Bart Ferguson) 12. Re: Dan and Jerry KR visit... (Mark Langford) 13. Re: Dan and Jerry KR visit... (Jack Cooper) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:46:11 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> 2005 KR Planes To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <004e01c60c11$43fefec0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jim, Sorry I have not answered sooner but I just mustered enough energy to get out of bed and check e-mail. I have the flu that is sweeping Wisconsin. Anyway, check out my canopy links for good info. Here is one of them: http://www.flykr2s.com/gullwing.html I used layers of 1/8 th hickory strips to form the gullwing door frame. This took several days to do because you should glue one strip on at a time, let it cure, then add another. Do this until you get the thickness you desire. You must roughen up the surface of the Plexiglas prior to epoxying it. I used a coarse 60 grit to do this with. It gave me some fairly deep ruts in the plexi for the T-88 to adhere to. To cut the plexi use masking tape on both the inside and outside where you want to cut. The tape also gives you something to draw your likes on. Use a Dremel tool with the thin cut-off disc and you will go right through the canopy like butter. There will be some ridge build up along the edge you your cuts because the heat will actually cause the plexi dust to melt on the edge. This will easily snap right off. Once you have made the cut, you will need to use some 220 grit to smooth the edges of the cut. As far as going all the way across with the frame to make a roll bar is a good idea but I could not figure out a way to clamp the wood since I have only one door plus I really like the unobstructed view my canopy yields me. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my NEW KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at www.flykr2s.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "JIM RALEIGH" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:47 PM Subject: Re: KR> 2005 KR Planes > Mark I have been studying your canopy on your home page. I am > building one > similar except that the front bar will go all the way across and will > form a > roll bar. I formed it out of 5 lays of 1/8 in ac plywood 3" wide. My > question is fastening it to the canopy(the clear Part) did you just epoxy > it? did you roughen it beforehand? also what tool did you cut the > plastic with? did you have any trouble with cracking the plexiglass? > Jim raleigh > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: "KR Net (E-mail)" > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:52 AM > Subject: KR> 2005 KR Planes > > > > There was a web link showing the 2005 KR planes in attendance. These were > some nice photos and I can not remember who's link it was. It does not seem > to be working any longer. Here is the link I have: > http://krfly.no-ip.org/gathering05.html I would like to get this link > working again or if anyone saved the photos, please send them to me so > I can > put them back on my web site. Mark Langford, are you going to do a > 2005 photo addition to the KR Net? Too busy flying to get er done? I > understand plus I envy you!!!! > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI > > Visit my "NEW" KR CorvAIRCRAFT web site: http://www.flykr2s.com > > > Email: mailto:flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:00:36 -0600 From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR> Dana Overall To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <006c01c60c13$479e33a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Holy cow Batman!!!!!! You got that RV in the air yet? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my NEW KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at www.flykr2s.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:04:16 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" Subject: KR> Canopy Frames To: Message-ID: <43B33610.000001.00316@DANHOMECOMPUTER> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I know that I am not Mark, but I will give you my thought on this anyway. Unless you are hooked on making your bow out of wood, I don't see any reason to not make it out of foam and glass. I started our bow that way and it was one very difficult job. Then I got the idea of cutting a piece of foam to the shape that I wanted the canopy to be, and glassing it. This worked perfectly and I would never do it any other way. I agree with Mark on using the very coarse sandpaper. Resin does not like to stick to acrylic, and you really have to give it something to bite into. After you make your cut, be sure to sand the exposed edge, along the edge, not across it, until it is smooth. If you leave nicks in it, you are exposing yourself to a creeping crack later on. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC >Mark I have been studying your canopy on your home page. I am building >one >similar except that the front bar will go all the way across and will >form a >roll bar. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:55:10 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: KR> tool tip for the day To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just got around to trying the high speed air body saw I got at Harbor Freight a few months ago. I used it to cut the plywood floor in the KR where the brackets for the grove gear go through since I didn't have anything else that would get in there to cut it. I was amazed at how good it works and played with it on some sheet metal, spruce, and fiberglass also. I am going to use it a lot more where I would have used other tools in the past now. Everyone needs one of these. The body shop guys have been keeping this tool a secret for too long. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=113 Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:05:45 -0500 From: "Colin Rainey" Subject: KR> Tool tip To: krnet@mylist.net Message-ID: <410-22005124292545222@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Brian is right and also you can get the slightly larger version for bigger jobs, called a saws all at Lowes or Home Depot. Carpenters use it alot for electrical roughing and difficult framing jobs... http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1599961758.1135821706@@@@&BV_EngineID=cceeaddgikjikdicgelceffdfgidgjk.0&CNTTYPE=PROD_META&CNTKEY=misc/searchResults.jsp&MID=9876&N=2984+3966&pos=n24 Colin Rainey brokerpilot96ta@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:21:24 -0800 (PST) From: Scott William Subject: Re: KR> tool tip for the day To: KRnet Message-ID: <20051229032124.65291.qmail@web31506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To expand on this: Buy some different blades and experiment. Look at "teeth per inch" and the length of the blade. This is a great tool......mine is getting a little worn. Scott --- Brian Kraut wrote: > I just got around to trying the high speed air body > saw I got at Harbor > Freight a few months ago. I used it to cut the > plywood floor in the KR > where the brackets for the grove gear go through > since I didn't have > anything else that would get in there to cut it. I > was amazed at how good > it works and played with it on some sheet metal, > spruce, and fiberglass > also. I am going to use it a lot more where I would > have used other tools > in the past now. Everyone needs one of these. The > body shop guys have been > keeping this tool a secret for too long. > > http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=113 > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > > > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:22:10 -0800 (PST) From: Scott William Subject: Re: KR> Tool tip To: brokerpilot96ta@earthlink.net, KRnet Message-ID: <20051229032210.31975.qmail@web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Milwaukee Electric......makes GREAT sawsalls. Scott --- Colin Rainey wrote: > Brian is right and also you can get the slightly > larger version for bigger jobs, called a saws all at > Lowes or Home Depot. Carpenters use it alot for > electrical roughing and difficult framing jobs... > http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1599961758.1135821706@@@@&BV_EngineID=cceeaddgikjikdicgelceffdfgidgjk.0&CNTTYPE=PROD_META&CNTKEY=misc/searchResults.jsp&MID=9876&N=2984+3966&pos=n24 > > > Colin Rainey > brokerpilot96ta@earthlink.net > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:31:18 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: KR> Tool tip To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sawsalls are great, but the body saw is not quite the same in KR work. The body saw is like a miniature Sawsall that you have much more control of. It can't cut 2 X 4s with nails in them, but you don't have to worry about slipping and cutting your plane right in half either. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Scott William Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:22 PM To: brokerpilot96ta@earthlink.net; KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Tool tip Milwaukee Electric......makes GREAT sawsalls. Scott --- Colin Rainey wrote: > Brian is right and also you can get the slightly > larger version for bigger jobs, called a saws all at > Lowes or Home Depot. Carpenters use it alot for > electrical roughing and difficult framing jobs... > http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?BV_SessionID= @@@@1599961758.1135821706@@@@&BV_EngineID=cceeaddgikjikdicgelceffdfgidgjk.0& CNTTYPE=PROD_META&CNTKEY=misc/searchResults.jsp&MID=9876&N=2984+3966&pos=n24 > > > Colin Rainey > brokerpilot96ta@earthlink.net > _______________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > KRnet-leave@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com _______________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:36:35 -0500 From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: KR> Jeff Scott's KR To: "KRnet" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I was just reading last months EAA magazine and saw that Jeff Scott's KR won the best wood category at Copperstate. I had not seen it mentioned here before. Congratulations. It is nice to see KRs winning awards at the major fly-ins regularly. My bet is the trend is going to continue. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:55:08 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Timing retard To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <033d01c60c2b$a92921d0$1202a8c0@1700xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Colin wrote: >If you do not use vacuum advance , then you will have to recurve your distributor like WW does, and watch your temps closely. You will not be able to allow your engine to get as hot as the car did due to the effect on pre-ignition and detonation that this has, and you will almost assuredly have to use 100LL.< I'm burning pure 93 octane auto fuel from the BP station, and I have 9.3:1 compression ratio. Dan Weseman is also running 93 octane in his 9.5:1 cr Corvair. Neither of us has vacuum advance, but WW did recurve our distributors. One other difference between us and most Corvairs is that we've paid particular attention to keeping our quench distance down under .040", which lends a lot of detonation resistance to a squish type combustion chamber. I'll be the first to admit that 100LL will give you more margin before detonation sets in, but I wouldn't call it imperative. Besides the obvious cost benefit, the main reason I use 93 auto fuel is to keep my oxygen sensor from being lead contaminated. The O2 sensor drives the air/fuel mixture meter, which I do consider to be essential when you're flying a non-auto-altitude compensating "aircraft" carb. The air/fuel meter tells the "brain" (that would be me) when to move the mixture lever back and forth. Someday I'll work on flying behind something that is automatically altitude compensating. I applaud your efforts at bringing any "aircraft" engine closer to the automotive world. I've tried to keep mine as simple as possible, just like the automotive variety... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:08:12 -0600 From: Bart Ferguson Subject: Re: KR> Tool tip To: KRnet Message-ID: <43B3612C.6548@houston.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Was wondering what size the blades were for the body saw, it does look more manuverable and I can see it saving many a router bit in the future. $20 is a bargain if it uses standard jigsaw blades. Envisioning a tax writeoff trip to HF in the morning. No shop should be without either tool. Yes, use the holidays as a way to go and fetch a saw saw (reciprocating saw) because you will use it, a lot. Aside from a cordless drill it is easily the most used power tool (well the shop vac might come in a tie) in the garage. It's just an 18V DeWalt and it will hack through any type of framing, sheet metal, tree limbs, chains, rebar, PVC, truck tires, you name it. Tied mine to a wooden pole with a string to trim some hard to reach oak limbs near power lines, neighbor got a great laugh but it worked like a charm. Wouldn't use it on a KR, it can be a violent tool that is very unforgiving. A saw saw doesn't go near as high as 10K cycles a minute and is more prone to hang up giving you a nasty gouge across your surface. It also makes nasty gouges in skin, glasses and gloves are a must. If not this year it will make a great present for your wife/girlfriend in 2006 ;-) B. Ferguson PS - Having a blast squeezing the X-Plane KR into tight spaces. Thanks for all the effort that went into it. All of this landing jargon now makes a whole lot more sense. > Sawsalls are great, but the body saw is not quite the same in KR work. The > body saw is like a miniature Sawsall that you have much more control of. It > can't cut 2 X 4s with nails in them, but you don't have to worry about > slipping and cutting your plane right in half either. ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:18:07 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR>Dan and Jerry KR visit... To: "KRnet" Message-ID: <000a01c60c2e$df385e00$0202a8c0@2600xp> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Given tonight's weather report, I'd have to say I'm planning on flying up to KCUB on Friday morning. Troy Petteway may also make the trip. Dan says anybody else is welcome. See y'all there... Mark Langford, Harvest, AL see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:55 PM Subject: Re: KR>Dan and Jerry KR visit... ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:19:42 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Jack Cooper Subject: Re: KR>Dan and Jerry KR visit... To: KRnet Message-ID: <10369398.1135829983240.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wish I was home, I would drive down to join everyone but I'm in Memphis now on vacation. Jack Cooper -----Original Message----- >From: Mark Langford >Sent: Dec 28, 2005 10:18 PM >To: KRnet >Subject: Re: KR>Dan and Jerry KR visit... > >Given tonight's weather report, I'd have to say I'm planning on flying up to >KCUB on Friday morning. Troy Petteway may also make the trip. Dan says >anybody else is welcome. See y'all there... > >Mark Langford, Harvest, AL >see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com >email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Langford" >To: "KRnet" >Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:55 PM >Subject: Re: KR>Dan and Jerry KR visit... > > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 347, Issue 531 *************************************** ================================== ABC Amber Outlook Converter v4.20 Trial version ==================================